Today I woke up early (2:00-ish am) and decided to eat eggs (since there was nothing else I wanted to eat at the time)
So I picked up an egg from the basket and saw poop, white and brown, covered in every egg (this was after I've cracked two already and put it in the pan)
I washed the third one (soap and rubbing for 15 seconds kills germs, 20+ to be safe) and when I cracked it was inflated (that second shell/skin thingy) inside I can make out something black and greenish (an embryo) great...just great...kinda cool.
I cracked the forth egg above the pan and a black liquid just splashed out and I just threw it away. I just gave up on the Idea and microwave-d instant noodles.
(Factory manufactured foods may be unhealthy, but at least I'm not eating rotting embryos)
There were other bad incidences during these past few weeks and a long time ago.
Are these punishment for my wrong doings? A sign telling me not to eat eggs? a bad luck streak to balanc my lucky days? or just darn f@cked up!
My guess is the eggs had just gone bad. This coming from someone who's a complete unbeliever of Godly deeds and yet a grocery-realist.
As they say, shit happens, or in this case, bad eggs happen. I recommend microwaving the egg. Zak did it, and the result was a seat cushion and a lighter, an oxygen tank, and perhaps something I can't remember at the moment :)
You say you got them from a basket, so I guess these weren't store-bought eggs? I think God is telling you to buy industrially produced eggs from the supermarket, keep them refrigerated and check the expiration date before eating.
Man, I think if I ever found an embryo in an egg it would put me off eggs forever, but then I do have a bit of a bird phobia. I even remove those red dots from the egg yolk before cooking because they gross me out.
Yep, that's Satan punishing you.
If you happen to be able to afford something really nice for yourself after working overtime for months that's God rewarding you.
PS. What did you do wrong?
No, it does however seem like unrefutable proof that the basket as been possessed by a mischievious poltergeist..
I would watch out for the TV...
Seriously, if Satan's busying himself by ruining eggs, the dude obviously doesn't have a lot of worthwhile things to do.
To answer Shbaz:
(my naughty list a few years back)
*Smoked when I was seven, on and off till now. (currently off for 5 months)
*Shoplifted a condom condom(s)
*Burned the carpet
*tortured a lot of lizards (one method was keeping them packed in a jar with no air holes...turned purple, green, etc. I also burned them while dropping them in the pond)
*'Scratched' my brother's door so badly it had to be replaced. (he pissed me off!)
*Shaved my sister's hair, only on one side (I don't remember doing this, but SHE definately never forgot)
*Beat my sister up in my other sister's birthday (beat up as in punch, kick, tear and body slam...my dad likes to watch WWF...she pissed me off too!)
*cut my other sister's hair.
*Lied about my identity on the internet to go into a 18 restricted site. (stopped this)
*Ate alot (Gluttony is a sin...I was fat)
* I don't pray
*more than 27 suicide attempts (obviously I was a coward to cut deep enough)
(that's all I can think of...for now)
Current/ recent sins:
* Cybersex to, not with, an older man (lust is a sin)
* Still don't pray
* do not love or respect parents
*masturbation without performing the cleansing ritual afterwards. (which is technically praying)
there should be more, but I can't think of them right now.
Note: I've changed these couple of years, I'm emotionally stronger now. I'm wiser now. According to the people around me, I'm really nice...
Fyntax: Yes, Bitchney Spears is horrible no?
Voh: That's because people learn from they're mistakes and are so angelic these days.
Confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) and the law of truly large numbers (http://skepdic.com/lawofnumbers.html) are enough to explain most or all of the peculiar events which people tend to attribute to luck or divine intervention.
Why would you throw an egg away just because it was black? ::)
Quote from: Stupot on Thu 27/12/2007 01:24:57
Why would you throw an egg away just because it was black? ::)
The whole content was black, smelled and had a few lumps here and there.
I went to play on the freeway and nearly got run over. It's probably God punishing me.
Which I find understandable, considering that I basically sin 24/7 (because everything I do is a sin by some religion's standards).
On a serious note: I believe in luck as in coincidence. Bad things just happen. Considering bad luck as punishment (and luck as reward) is ridiculous. Just look at all the 'bad' people getting lucky and all the 'good' people having bad luck.
Coincidence is a nice and simple explanation for that fact. (Unless God likes bad people or indeed does play dice.)
PS: I get the feeling that the point of this thread was to list your sins.
Make an experiment: Sin like crazy for 3 years or so and write down the amount of spoiled eggs you get. Then be the worst churchie of a religion of your choice for another 3 years and compare the amount of spoiled eggs you get to that you got before. Of course, you'll have to do that for every religion on this planet because of fairness reasons...
I can't recall ever having cracked open a bad egg... I should be sainted.
It's probably just a bad luck strike. If the lumps in the black egg were to form the word "sinner" I would be slightly worried, but some bad eggs? Forget it! :)
If one egg was bad, it is not unlikely that all the eggs would have been bad, considering that you got them from the same basket. You must have got all of them at the same time, and that time must have been a long time ago, hence the eggs are bad!
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 27/12/2007 12:48:03
Make an experiment: Sin like crazy for 3 years or so and write down the amount of spoiled eggs you get. Then be the worst churchie of a religion of your choice for another 3 years and compare the amount of spoiled eggs you get to that you got before. Of course, you'll have to do that for every religion on this planet because of fairness reasons...
Even if you followed the scientific method strictly, you won't get any useful results. Everybody knows supernatural beings don't like to be tested and they'll do anything to ruin your experiment. Remember those experiments to find out whether prayer works? God knew he was being tested and decided to not do what the testgroup prayed for.
Well that's just spiteful... and spite is a sin, therefore God is a hypocrite and thus doesn't exist.
YES \o/
Proved it!!! woohoo. ;D
QuoteI went to play on the freeway and nearly got run over. It's probably God punishing me. Which I find understandable...
I don't think it's God punishing you. I think you almost got run over because, well, it
was a freeway after all :P
I believe that everything happens the way it happens because it just does. Everybody is always looking for a reason for why particular events take place. And because they can't understand it they look somewhere else, ie; God/Satan.
Eventhough I really don't believe there is any sort of God, I still am very intrigued by DejaVu and the paranormal. So I wouldn't say I'm a complete athiest. I believe I'll find out when I'm dead. I am not, for one second, going to believe in something my whole life that could very well be bullshit, fairytales and stories. I'm going to believe in what I find to be more realistic or scientific - what makes sence to
me..
If God exists and is who he is believed to be, then I think I will be excepted in heaven because I'm a good person, not because I pray (I don't), go to church (I don't) or revolve my entire life around how God wants me to live it (I don't). God loves the ignorant too ;)
QuoteGod knew he was being tested and decided to not do what the testgroup prayed for.
It's just another thing believers can add to the list of excuses to protect their faith.
"Ah, well... he knows we were testing him... I don't blame him for not playing along...".
And yet again, that's fine, I'm probably going too far. I shouldn't judge what other people believe in. Like I said, I'll find out when I'm dead.
[EDIT]The makers of TV Plug n' Play games' warranty:
QuoteWarranty is void if unit is broken by the user either by accident or God's will...
I just thought it was funny, I've never seen that anywhere before. Maybe it's everywhere, I don't know.
;)
--Snake
Quote from: vertigoaddict on Thu 27/12/2007 00:00:59
I cracked the forth egg above the pan and a black liquid just splashed out and I just threw it away. I just gave up on the Idea and microwave-d instant noodles.
It's not god's or satan's or the tooth fairy's wrath that you should be worrying about. It's the deep running conspiracy led by the makers of instant noodles. They don't want you having healthy foods, so they've set about poisoning the chickens..
..But, seriously. You can't honestly think "Oh no, God's punishing me" without a few deciding factors beforehand, for instance:
1. God exists, and you "believe" in him. IE, follow some sort of teachings or formed your own on what he considers acceptable.
2. You actually care about said deity's opinion of you, and care about the consequences. IE, hell, purgatory, whatever.
Lets say you did believe, and were worried about his opinion of you. If you gave the deity any kind of credit, you wouldn't be sinning in the first place, out of fear of being punished, and in most religions, that punishment comes after death, not after midnight.
I think you're jumping to a clichéd and extreme conclusion, instead of just thinking "Oh, Eggs are bad". I don't get distraugt when I find mould on my bread, I just buy new bread. When a battery runs out, I don't think I'm being punished, I just replace the batteries. If I stub my toe, I don't cry out to the heavens for forgiveness, I just look where I'm walking for a while.
I don't mean to sound cruel, but honestly? I think you're a bit of an attention seeker, and somewhat Emo. For example, you seem far too willing to share that list of sins with us, than most people would. Maybe you should add Vanity to it, whilst you're at it.
Dude I am not kidding, that list of bad things is pretty bad. Beating up sisters and attempted suicide? You need help. And no, I think it's pretty safe to say that the rotten eggs weren't a sign from god or a punishment. I mean, if I was going to punish you for all that crap then I'd do a lot more than just give you an iffy egg and sit there chuckling to myself while you broke it into a pan.
In my country, the post-masturbation cleansing ritual is called Kleenex.
Quote from: Renal Shutdown on Thu 27/12/2007 14:47:07
Quote from: vertigoaddict on Thu 27/12/2007 00:00:59
I cracked the forth egg above the pan and a black liquid just splashed out and I just threw it away. I just gave up on the Idea and microwave-d instant noodles.
It's not god's or satan's or the tooth fairy's wrath that you should be worrying about. It's the deep running conspiracy led by the makers of instant noodles. They don't want you having healthy foods, so they've set about poisoning the chickens..
..But, seriously. You can't honestly think "Oh no, God's punishing me" without a few deciding factors beforehand, for instance:
1. God exists, and you "believe" in him. IE, follow some sort of teachings or formed your own on what he considers acceptable.
2. You actually care about said deity's opinion of you, and care about the consequences. IE, hell, purgatory, whatever.
Lets say you did believe, and were worried about his opinion of you. If you gave the deity any kind of credit, you wouldn't be sinning in the first place, out of fear of being punished, and in most religions, that punishment comes after death, not after midnight.
I think you're jumping to a clichéd and extreme conclusion, instead of just thinking "Oh, Eggs are bad". I don't get distraugt when I find mould on my bread, I just buy new bread. When a battery runs out, I don't think I'm being punished, I just replace the batteries. If I stub my toe, I don't cry out to the heavens for forgiveness, I just look where I'm walking for a while.
I don't mean to sound cruel, but honestly? I think you're a bit of an attention seeker, and somewhat Emo. For example, you seem far too willing to share that list of sins with us, than most people would. Maybe you should add Vanity to it, whilst you're at it.
hmmm.... probably, I do seem to be a bit of an attention seeker don't I? Sorry 'bout that (There is a reason to why I don't hesitate to share info about myself, but I feel like it will lead to more 'attenttion-grabbing-like-thingies'. is there a word for that? or do I have to sound like an 8 year old?)
Like I said before, there has been a lot of incidences quite like this in the past and it has been occuring more recently and just more.
Personally I'm a bit of an athiest-free thinker. I tend to ask these kind of questions to many different people to see the reaction I get; I posted this thread to find out the responses I would get from the people in the forum.
You could say I'm just curious...on the topic of human behaviour/ reaction.
Like you said most people won't be willing to share a list of sins they have commited, but what happens if someone did? I guess I got my answer. ^_6
I think you're showing that list to repend for your make-believe sins.
I think you're an attention seeking wining teenager who forces an image on people and craves their acceptance.
I think praying after jizzing is more pethetic that 23 suicide attempts (you must have it to an art by now), and I suggest jumping off a tower head first for your upcomming "cry for help".
jk
I doubt Bush jr has shit on his eggs and he did way more fucked up shit than you.
The more I think about the initial logic about the eggs, the stranger it seems to me. Consider the following.
I poured myself a glass of milk. It was sour! Then I poured myself a second glass of milk. It was also sour! What are the odds?
If one egg is bad, is it really that odd that other eggs from the same batch are also bad?
Here (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Sins.html) is a good list of sins with explanations of what they include and how they appear. Read that through and think again if you've sinned or not. Then concider that in the end Man within is his only true god and Satan.
I belive god has a plan, s'he is just very subtle about it. Humans screw up most things with out any help from any fallen angel. As for luck I don't belive in it, because it tends to cancell itself out. i do however belive in chance.
Weird. Few days ago I got sick, and so dizzy that I decided to leave work in the middle of the shift. Even though my boss thought I'm having a after-Christmas hangover or I'm just lazy and told me to shut up and get back to work. I hesitated, but still decided to go home. I was feeling THAT bad.
I work at vegetable/fruit warehouse. During Christmas, which is always busy fruit season, I help out with "dirty" work in warehouse, which means preparing orders for stores - loading and weighing fruit.
Walking towards the storeroom door, a truck driver was currently loading some supplies onto truck nearby.
Well, and just as I walked past him lifting the fully loaded pallet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet), I mean, it was huge, about 2 meters high, tripped over towards me, with about 10kg heavy boxes full of paprika falling down. Right onto hydraulic lifter I used this night.
It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.
Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.
But vertigoaddict, pull yourself together!
First, make sure that you won't try suicide again. If your God/luck is like mine, 23 failed attempts should speak for themselves: thou shalt not kill yourself.
Second, thou shalt not hit a woman. I have a year younger sister and when we were little, we were fighting all the time, mostly for the love of parents. I never went WWF on her though, this is far too horrible.
Third, tales of self-pleasing really really isn't something to share on AGSBoards. Pray? Sounds pretty much like you've grown up in fairly religious environment, I wouldn't even imagine something like this. Sounds really stupid.
And for Fourth, watch where you buy eggs.
I don't believe that God would be too happy for you putting your hands together in a prayer, those hands you just used to-- well... lol
I believe in the biblical representation of God but not in a concept of destiny, because if you believe in God then you also believe in free will, which is, at its heart, the idea that your fate is governed by your own actions (good or bad). What you're talking about (vertigoaddict), is more karma, which I don't particularly believe in but a lot of people do! The whole idea that 'what comes around goes around' makes some people feel better when someone does something mean, anyway.
speaking of Karma/reincarnation (they kind of go hand in hand), one thing I object to in that theory of post-living conditions, is that what makes an creature HIGHER and what makes a creature LOWER? Seems a tad specisist to me. Of corse if I did come back, I think I would want to be a pig. Did you know ,they can have orgasims lasting up to 30 minutes. Like I said, being a pig sounds preatty good ;D
Quote from: InCreator on Sat 29/12/2007 06:33:52
Weird. Few days ago I got sick, and so dizzy that I decided to leave work in the middle of the shift. Even though my boss thought I'm having a after-Christmas hangover or I'm just lazy and told me to shut up and get back to work. I hesitated, but still decided to go home. I was feeling THAT bad.
I work at vegetable/fruit warehouse. During Christmas, which is always busy fruit season, I help out with "dirty" work in warehouse, which means preparing orders for stores - loading and weighing fruit.
Walking towards the storeroom door, a truck driver was currently loading some supplies onto truck nearby.
Well, and just as I walked past him lifting the fully loaded pallet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet), I mean, it was huge, about 2 meters high, tripped over towards me, with about 10kg heavy boxes full of paprika falling down. Right onto hydraulic lifter I used this night.
It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.
Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.
But vertigoaddict, pull yourself together!
First, make sure that you won't try suicide again. If your God/luck is like mine, 23 failed attempts should speak for themselves: thou shalt not kill yourself.
Second, thou shalt not hit a woman. I have a year younger sister and when we were little, we were fighting all the time, mostly for the love of parents. I never went WWF on her though, this is far too horrible.
Third, tales of self-pleasing really really isn't something to share on AGSBoards. Pray? Sounds pretty much like you've grown up in fairly religious environment, I wouldn't even imagine something like this. Sounds really stupid.
And for Fourth, watch where you buy eggs.
I don't believe that God would be too happy for you putting your hands together in a prayer, those hands you just used to-- well... lol
Ahh..Worship thy intuition!
1) Don't worry, I've stopped.
2) That is so sexist, so a woman can hit a man but not the other way around? What ever happened to 'equality'? And besides I was like 8-9 years old which made her like...around 15 (she was being a bitch)
3) Very religios parents, in fact their work revolves around religion. Is it not ironic how most children who are brought up by very religious parents end up less or not at all religious and children who are brought up by not so religious parents end up very religious (it's the wierd cycle of faiths)
4) Where I live used to be my grandfather's farm, My father grows crops somewhere at the other side of the road and he takes care of chickens, pigeons, turkeys, geese. (I don't even bother, so I'm not sure if he still takes care of Geese, I used to have 3 pet turkeys, but they got so annoying we ate them). The point was that the eggs were from home.
Speaking of Karma, I probably was talking about karma! (bangs head). I do get these dreams...if I had a past life, I probably killed someone or I was murdered (but most likely killed, maybe both)
Quote from: lo_res_man on Sat 29/12/2007 09:18:21
speaking of Karma/reincarnation (they kind of go hand in hand), one thing I object to in that theory of post-living conditions, is that what makes an creature HIGHER and what makes a creature LOWER? Seems a tad specisist to me. Of corse if I did come back, I think I would want to be a pig. Did you know ,they can have orgasims lasting up to 30 minutes. Like I said, being a pig sounds preatty good ;D
A Pig you say? You will be my meal then.
If I'd believe in Karma, I would probably had to kill myself because all kinds of readings say I am meant to be alone in life... Wtf? I don't want to, yet I am, so far. And this is kind of crap.
But talking about my current life. I haven't hurt any animals or such, but people. Not big-time but little things bug me. And God? I can say whatever, but at the end it seems I have lost more than got, if that is Gods will, then be it... Christianity is always based on misery and forgivness, being pathetic. Usually true believers are the ones who have shit in their collar. Did God put that in there so people would believe him?
And any suicide attempts that have gone over 3 times, is not a suicide attempt anymore. Its more likely an attempt of getting attention. There are million ways to kill yourself if you want it so badly, so don't be a dumbass.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Sat 29/12/2007 04:07:29
As for luck I don't belive in it, because it tends to cancell itself out. i do however belive in chance.
I'm not sure I understand you. How would you define "chance"?
Quote from: InCreator on Sat 29/12/2007 06:33:52
It all missed me by few centimeters. If I would listen to my boss and decided to continue my work instead of going home, I would probably directly at lifter, loading a pallet onto it. Which means I would end up in hospital with severe head trauma. Nice addition to extremely sick and weak feeling I had that night.
Was it luck?
Sometimes, when I doubt something, this God/luck entity proves me right just after I've finally made up my mind.
A nice thing to remind me to always trust my intuition.
It's not my intention to crap all over your religious experience, but I'd still say it's perfectly explainable by confirmation bias and the law of truly large numbers. Don't get me wrong: I've had experiences similar to this--perhaps not as dramatic, but still. I know what it's like, and it does astonish you in a way. But one ought to realize that
since stuff happens all the time, some of it is bound to seem really really implausible. How many times have you been loading pallets with nothing like this happening? How many people are doing the same right now? Alright then.
Probably caused by lack of attention (hey, I was 13. I was allowed to be a dumbass!).
Now that I think about it, I don't think I cut myself to die really. It was more of a stress relief method. Whenever I felt over-stressed (like to the point you want to do more than scream) I'd cut myself and afterwards I'd feel calmer.
(at the time, I was quitting smoking, so cigarrettes were out of the question).
If I was ever re-incarnated, I'd like to be re-incarnated into twins.
QuoteBut one ought to realize that since stuff happens all the time, some of it is bound to seem really really implausible. How many times have you been loading pallets with nothing like this happening? How many people are doing the same right now? Alright then.
Nah. Really strange point in this story is that warehouse is rather large, maybe quarter of a football stadium or so. But boxes fell exactly where I left my lifter. Okay, this could happen.
But why was I walking past my lifter (accident spot)? I wasn't even going to work anymore, I was heading for exit. There's about many other, as short paths I could choose. And I still somehow took the dangerous one. If there's God/luck, it PUT me there, just to show how close I was from head trauma if I wouldn't decide to leave. Fate decided those lucky centimetres, not what happened... I could go other way, choose another exit, go to my boss (who was eating at the moment) and say I'm still leaving, anything...
What I'm trying to say is that the accident would have happened anyway. But me witnessing it, and hair-thickness-close, that's a miracle of some kind. Of all logical options I had before just walking this path, this one was most unlikely for me to pick.
The driver that tripped supplies is a complete moron, he constantly breaks something or rams electrical lifter into wall, or gets flat tire on the road, and always something bad happens to him. Whole shift curses him... Karma? His one sucks hardcore. Like with this fat guy on "Lost". Seriously!
At the happening moment, I didn't care. I looked over my shoulder, and walked away, I was feeling too shitty to even care. But later in home, thinking about it again, well, shudders.
But after this weird incident, am I superstitious? A bit really maybe.
QuoteNow that I think about it, I don't think I cut myself to die really. It was more of a stress relief method. Whenever I felt over-stressed (like to the point you want to do more than scream) I'd cut myself and afterwards I'd feel calmer.
This sounds SO emo. I hope you've discovered more reasonable and sensible stress relief methods by now.
Then again, not far away from your mental state - I guess - are people who cut others to relieve their feelings.
Huh.
Quote from: InCreator on Sat 29/12/2007 15:15:28
Nah. Really strange point in this story is that warehouse is rather large, maybe quarter of a football stadium or so. But boxes fell exactly where I left my lifter. Okay, this could happen.
But why was I walking past my lifter (accident spot)? I wasn't even going to work anymore, I was heading for exit. There's about many other, as short paths I could choose. And I still somehow took the dangerous one. If there's God/luck, it PUT me there, just to show how close I was from head trauma if I wouldn't decide to leave. Fate decided those lucky centimetres, not what happened... I could go other way, choose another exit, go to my boss (who was eating at the moment) and say I'm still leaving, anything...
What I'm trying to say is that the accident would have happened anyway. But me witnessing it, and hair-thickness-close, that's a miracle of some kind. Of all logical options I had before just walking this path, this one was most unlikely for me to pick.
Well, yes. I understand that it was a very unlikely event. That was in fact much of my point. Whether a supposed "intelligent agent"
caused an accident near you or merely
caused you to be near the accident is irrelevant (and frankly I'm not quite sure how you can be so certain that it's one and not the other). I have nothing to add to what I've already said, really.
I don't know what all this talk is of 'believing in luck'.
Of course luck exists.
If you win a bottle of wine in the raffle, that's lucky.
If you find a tenner on the floor, that's lucky.
Someone might consider themselves lucky if they have a wonderful partner and great kids.
other people might be considered less lucky, rarely wins at the races, can't find a decent partner, not from want of trying. But if something particularly lucky or unlucky happens to you, yes it is a coincidence. And no it's not the work of a divine being, but I think it can still be called luck.
Luck, to me, is kind of a measurement for the frequency and intensity of particularly good or bad coincidences and occurrences.
Quote from: EldKatt on Sat 29/12/2007 12:50:04
I'm not sure I understand you. How would you define "chance"?
I think that stupid things happen because they happen. Events pile up into a chaotic state, and really predicting what will happen, or why, is more of a mugs game then anything else. Each individual could only have complete control over there destiny if they gave up all choice in the matter. Life is a chaotic mix. Only force of will parts the storm, but even then, crap happens. Your life is a mix of your own choices and the mix with all other people choices. I guess a better way to put it is I belive in chaos, that the time spent finding out the reasons behind the weird events that crop up in peoples lives could be better spent living that life.
Quote from: radiowaves on Sat 29/12/2007 12:23:51
A Pig you say? You will be my meal then.
even if I ended up being bacon, at least I was domesticated. And that's a sweet deal. Besides, I am gonna end up somebodies dinner anyway, worms and crawlers and bacteria.
When you're over your adolescent angst in a decade or so and engaged to a beautiful woman, her parents are going to google you, find this thread and go ape.. ;)
...I'm guessing that's what happened to you with princess Marian's (she is your wife right?) parents,you should make a game about the day you met her parents, I'm sure it'll get good reviews.
I think chance and luck co-exist with one another without chance there is ot luck. Like without suffering you don't appriciate the pleasures as much (S&M!!! WHEEEE!)
but if luck exists, what happens if to 'lucky' people meet? They can't both be lucky. Sure for some people the dice come up good all the time, and for some, life is one bad roll after the next. Some get the natural 20's some are grateful to get better then the natural 1's. But I don't believe that is luck, i belive that is ordinary, explainable by the laws of physics, chance. No more and no less. And that is what I meant when I said I belive in chance, not luck. You have the right to disagree with me, but I also have the right to disagree with you.