I haven't seen it.
but i've heard it's crap.
anyone see it yet?
for the record i thought the second one kinda sucked. and the ending was pure cheez.
I just saw it ...
Yes.
there was some kick ass stuff too, but on the whole I was disappointed.
dm
I agree. Many nice things, no content... I keep myself with the first one, the other two can really burn the tapes...
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FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, HOW COULD THEY THINK SUCH AN WUSSY ENDING???
I will make the following assumption of the final Matrix movie without even seeing it (based upon previous movies):
1. There will be lots of philosophical mumbo-jumbo that doesn't really add to the story.
2. There will be one kick-arse fight scene between Keanu and another cast member.
3. There will be one cool chase scene (ala previous helicopter and motorcycle scenes in previous movies)
4. Someone will be brought back to life with the completely pansy-assed Hollywood treacle bullshit method.
5. Agent Smith will get all the cool lines.
I haven´t seen it, I can talk of the second movie. IMHO it was one of the crappiest films on history, I said once that it was like written for a gang of "wankers-inhabitants of the dungeon of the android-teenagers", you know what I mean...
(http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://pages.prodigy.net/mshimkus/androids/character96.jpg)
Only this kind of people can be emotioned with some of the scenes of the matrix, while smart and mature people are just sick of how silly they are.
Ok, I´ve told it!!!11!1
pfff are we going to get a
matrix sux vs. matrix rules discussion .... AGAIN?
I'm not participating :-*
Matrix sucksksksk for sure, yet I had spent years with it in my studies.
... Whoops! Wrong matrix!
I went to a Matrix Marathon at the Cinema last night. All three films in a row. And I thoroughly enjoyed my time. The first movie (and the trilogy in general) has been over hyped, but Matrix was pretty damned cool. Ignore the fact that the movies aren't really as original as everyone says they are (Yes, Wachowskis, I too watch Asian cinema) and it really was a pretty special movie.
I was disapointed by the second movie when I saw it, but I liked it last night. And I really liked the third movie. I liked the fact that it wasn't pure hollywood predictability, I wasn't expecting everything that happened, and I liked watching it. The trilogy, as a whole, works together nicely.
The only thing that still annoys me is the dependance on the game to give fairly integral parts of story. I'm really going to have to play that stupid thing some time soon.
In short, I liked seeing all three movies one after the other in the cinemas. And we watched Animatrix on a friend's laptop while waiting in line. Good times.
- Punch
Well, Farlander, I'll have you know that I am a proud member of the group which you oh-so-eloquently described as "wankers-inhabitants of the dungeon of the android-teenagers", and I still thought that The Matix was shit. So much so, that, like any sensible person, I didn't even bother seeing the second one (Intacto was showing at the time, so I saw that instead - go me).
I did get the Animatrix, though, but only because Peter Chung rules.
/me puts flamesuit on
i liked it
I'll probably see it.. and I'll probably enjoy it. However, I'll go to see it as just-another-movie.. just a fun way to kill a couple hours and munch some popcorn. There are very few movies I've hated so much that I would spend any time ranting and raving about them afterwards. As long as it isn't boring or irritating then I don't consider it a waste of time.
Of course, for all you people who only watch Independant films and think anything that costs over $10,000 is over-hollywood-ized: Do you think that's an original thought? If you don't like hollywood movies, don't see 'em. They're pretty much all the same, they're made for the average citizen and won't be immensely humorous, have outstanding realism, amazing action or a novel-worthy plot-line. They can still be good for a few laughs.
Do the matrix movies live up to the hype? No, of course not. Is it still better than seeing The Perfect Storm or Seabiscuit? Damn straight.
Yak, I don't think any of us are beyond a nice bit of brainless popcorn fluff every now and again, but the problem is the Matrix is a rather unpleasant bit of brainless popcorn fluff that thinks it isn't.
I don't think the brothers or makers have deluded themselves to that extent. I think they know it's a hollywood fluff-piece. It's the over-zealous fans that make me hate the movie a bit.. the ones who buy everything matrix-linked and talk about nothing but that. The ones that actually believe in the Matrix philosophy really scare me. I'm just saying that if you go to a movie not to have a good time but being prepared to criticize it, you can expect not to have a good time. Anyone who can't enjoy a little brainless action and some CG is in for disappointment.
Maybe I'm not as bitter about the matrix-movies as some since I don't watch TV and thus see no advertisements about it (minus a banner-ad or two).
Quote from: Shattered Sponge on Thu 06/11/2003 09:22:14
Well, Farlander, I'll have you know that I am a proud member of the group which you oh-so-eloquently described as "wankers-inhabitants of the dungeon of the android-teenagers", and I still thought that The Matix was shit. So much so, that, like any sensible person, I didn't even bother seeing the second one (Intacto was showing at the time, so I saw that instead - go me).
I did get the Animatrix, though, but only because Peter Chung rules.
O_O No one is actually a member of that group... I was exaggerating 0_0
I have a feeling that seeing it within one week after Kill Bill will result in a horrible disappointment. And I'm going to do just that.
I've seen the third part of Matrix and I dind't liked it.
Why they think just speaking slooowly and vaguely is philosophical?
I've noticed an annoying detail, I commented that with my frends and they didn't noticed:
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The underground walls were full of Powerade banners. That make me think Matrix 3 is more like a TV spot (olny made with the making-money idea) than a true movie like the first (The second seemed a musical videoclip IMO).
I hoped to be surprised by the movie (specially the end) but I din't.
I am the matrix!
And just for your information, I don't suck.
I lick :P
Does the Matrix suck? Yes. I will post no explanation, but rest assured, it does.
Y'know, one year ago, before i'd seen Reloaded and Revolutions I would have happily argued with Shattered that 'The Matrix' was one of the best things ever as opposed to 'flush me down the toilet now please' material.
Now after seeing the second film again on DVD, the third film last night, and Kill Bill, I really do hate the Matrix and The Wachowski Brothers and want to punch them in the face. Several times. True, I did come back from the second film being Mr. Positive about it, but that changed when I saw it again. And saw that godawful sex-scene which I missed in the cinema as I had to nip out and urgently go to the toilet.
Blah, so Mr. Sponge, I now more or less agree with you.
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This kid in my class was walking and her turned to another kid and was like "Did you hear what happened in the Matrix?" and this kid said "YEAH! NEO DIES!!!" He got tackled by 3 or four kids... It was great...
All you need to know:
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix2
;D
EDIT:
And probably this too:
http://www.bash.org/?169866
I just like to get my expectations low, so that way when I see it, I'll always view it with a more positive attitude, unless it just sucks as much as I think it might.
I don't look at the Matrix as a cinema masterpiece, it's just entertainment. I liked the first one, though it was over hyped, the second one, wasn't as enjoyable, but it did have some fight scenes I enjoyed, and frankly, I only watch it for the fighting, I could care less about the plot. When the first movie came out, I thought about the concept for about thirty seconds, and realised I had wasted thirty seconds of my life. To me, when I see the third movie, I'll only be watching it for fight scenes. Although, I was pleased that the KFC guy was in the second one.
-MillsJROSS
Why not go to a bar, wait for two drunks to pick a fight, watch them pound the shit out of each other and save $8-10?
Because nothing ripples and explodes.
Real life sucks, people can't fly or explode or create lens flares or anything.
Well thank you oh so very fucking much, DeeG; now I feel like a complete and utter cunt because I actually agree with chuffin' Maddox about something.
Also:
/me does a little dance for DS
Las:
But there's a shitload more swearing!
Sponge:
What's not to agree?
He thinks McDonalds tastes like shit, PETA is full of crybabies, teenyboppers are obnoxious, Bush is an idiot, Hollywood is full of more shit than McDonalds, and that little children aren't anything special.
Granted, it's not like discovering the West Indies, but you can't disagree with the above. ;D
I dunno, a movie has got to be pretty fucking terrible when it's sole saving grace is that it has cool fight scenes.
Well, I'm sorry DeeGee, but this article - http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html - just cemented him in my mind as a barbarous, maniacal controversy whore. And a cunt.
---Edit after wee bit of browsing---
And I'd have thought the fact that he practically assaults you personally in this - http://maddox.xmission.com/anime_nerd.html - article would make you slightly less defensive of his cesspit of being-a-cunt-sorta-things.
Well, yes the slapping your kids thing is pretty barbarous, but I do use my good judgement on what is right for when I have kids, rather than immediately agree with Maddox.
As for the majority fo his article, he hits the nail on the head.
As for the anime article, I don't think he was attacking me personally because I can't find my name anywhere in that article. ;D
Also, I don't wear T-Shirts with Japanese symbols on them, nor do I own any T-Shirts with anime characters on it.
Nor do I fit into the 5 categories: I don't wish I was Japanese; I'm thin and my manboobs are small; I'm not a goth and my girlfriend is a cutie-pie (we don't tounge kiss in public either -- I know a lot of women who really hate that shit, cause it's like having a squid shoved down your throat); I don't consider myself a "cool nerd" (I prefer to think of myself as an arsehole anyway) as other nerds don't flock around me to hear my theories about Qui Gon Jin's beard; and I don't dress like Silent Bob or have a mullet.
I just like watching the stuff, but I'm not going to go all-out "otaku".
I just want to go into my local screenings, watch some ninja schoolgirls beat the shit out of each other for a few hours, have a few laughs, then go do something constructive.
It's not like I suddenly want to become an anime character or want to become Japanese.
But, I have met people who are REALLY fucking obsessed with anime -- To the point where they'll wear these strange cosplay-like shirty-vesty type things with a labcoat and a headband. (As an afterthought, I don't know who the hell they're trying to be -- some generic anime character???)
Now THAT'S a little extreme.
Same thing happens with furries -- There are some who go "Yeah, it might be cool to pretend to be a ninja werewolf around the house for a while! I might bite my sister and see if she goes 'MUUUUUM! Daniel bit me!' Hehehe!" and there are some who go "Yeah, I'll dress up like a ninja werewolf and walk around in public! I might also find another werewolf to hump before I piss on a fire-hydrant!"
And on that, I rest my case!
"You rest your case???"
Oh sorry... Case closed!
If you go see the Matrix 3 and walk out 30 minutes or so before the ending, youd be better off. Throughout the first 2 hours, every so often I'd say to myself, wow, this movie is kicking ass, and then the ending comes, which yes, props for being untraditional, but not at all what I was wanting or expecting. Granted, I didn't get to discuss or think about the movie right after it ended, because ScubaChic lost her cell phone in the theater and we spent an half hour looking for it as i crawled around on the floor looking (we got it back today by some nice stranger who picked it up) but now that i think back, the ending wasn't soooo bad, it kinda does work, but there are still some people not dead who should be or at least i want, and there are things left open. Very open so much as for me to expect a Matrix 4 newspost on www.cinescape.com within a week of the first week's revenue report. I say, bring it.
and yes, damn them for making me have to go out and buy and beat the matrix game. cheat codes for the 30 minutes of movie, but i hear that naomi starts mackin' it with some girl in a real video... so there is a plus. ;)
Yeah, the third matrix sucked, the second one was okay, and the first one kicked ass. But due to the amazing disappointment of the third one, the second and first ones have dropped a notch just because you know of the disappointment that is to come. It was like some cutsie-pie soppy hollywood love story, with long drawn out goodbyes and re-unitions, to make you go "oh come on!". And that ending! It made me feel like i'd eaten too much fairy floss. They probably could have cut about an hour out of it and it might have been okay.
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Also some of the battles i.e. Neo vs Smith at the end just seemed so pointless, they both just keep getting back up and flying around doing their "superman-thing", it just seemed like a dragon ball z tv movie
cmonkey
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yeah, their fight at the end totally reminded me of a dbz fight, but since the live action dbz movie is still in production, this leads this movie to be the 'first' movie to use the z axis in fighting (as far as i know) and flying. but whatever.
and..oh god.. that death scene... could it go on anymore? ill get the dvd deleted scenes and see another 20 minutes of her talking and talking. ScubaChic actually said in the theater, "Would she just die already?" and all these people started laughing.
So, I went to see Revolutions tonight, and I had such low expectations that I didn't even care it didn't answer everything nor made sense, or that it was corny and silly. I enjoyed it because I was just prepared for silliness, but I guess as far as I'm concerned the first movie was cool, and then some random stuff happened afterward and blah blabh blah that doesn't really matter....
Furthermore, the matrix sequels are not to be taken seriously :P
I guess I have to agree with the common consensus. I've yet to see the movie (and based upon what I've read, I'll be waiting for DVD). I've seen a lot of good movies that critics didn't like and a lot of bad movies they've loved. I've seen some movies I enjoyed that you guys hated and vice versa. However, I very rarely hear of a movie almost as universally despised as the 3rd chapter of The Matrix (and to a less extent, Reloaded).
Jeez... Matrix... again....
I only saw first movie and while it wasn't completely bad i certainly can't understand what was so special about it to start a cult. Half hour of "deep" high-tech anime style mumbo-jumbo and then another hour and a half of ballet. Juhey!
I liked the Matrix, but I think it's just fashionable to dislike sequels in general. It's kinda bred into people or something. The first Matrix movie wasn't that good, it was really just about the awesome special effects and the cool sunglasses. The second and third movies well... I guess people expected a plot, but it was really just the same as the first movie.
I think they're all the same as each other. In a word, they're alright.
I wrote this post for the fans and non-fans of the matrix.
I've been reading some of the posts at IMDB and some kids have explained what was all supposed to be about pretty well and such, but everyone has their own interpretation of what happened, too, so you read one post and think "yeah, that's pretty interesting" and then you read another and say "well, it could also have happened that way" and then you're once again going back to being confused.
What it boils down to this.... if you're going to make a movie based on a ficticious world then you have to explain what the hell is going on. don't expect people to know exactly why things happen that way... otherwise, nothing makes sense. The wachowski brothers got lucky in the first one because there was nothing much to explain, and they did have to explain it, but when they started adding layers upon layers of information with little explanation (other than the stuff provided by the architect, which 3 people in this world understood... I only caught the many ergos and vis-a-vis) then you're gonna get people pissed off.
The moral of the story is keep it simple (like the original) unless you know how to make something very complicated look simple. Also, another moral is that the matrix was definitely the most hyped movie of all time. Hey, I liked the matrix, I own it, but it was not "T3H B3s7 m0v13 3v4r".
Yay movie threads!
Netmonkey! Cool cool points. I agree with you that the first one worked, and that it was simpler- but I think the real reason it worked wasn't that it answered all the questions at all. I think it worked because it left so many questions open and it got people THINKING! That's the way I see it.
The next two movies (I assume) TRIED to answer questions but couldn't because the matrix world is really bullshit. It wasn't bullshit earlier, but it is now, and Watchowskis kept digging themselves into a whole the more and more they expected to exploit the population of movie goers.
It's perfectly NORMAL to make a bullshit universe in a movie, and I commend the first Matrix on its clever framing device. However I feel the original is tainted (as far as leaving the thinking to the audience) by the sequels.
Yeow. Matrix. A movie that tries to sell cyberpunk, but isn't really one by itsself, only it's main idea is.
If I'd really want some cp, I'd watch ending sequence of game Flashback, play Out Of This World or see that part of animatrix with a girl and cat. Though they're simple, they're also DEEP and - just IT.
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3
ShatteredSponge is going to kill me.
i just saw matrix 3 last night and it was much better than the second
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the fight scenes went back to normal ol punchin' an' a kickin' or they just got much better at rendering a Keanu with CG. granted the ending battle was weird especially the Raging Bull punch at the end and the force of water pusing the rain into a sphere effect was used so often i stopped noticing it.
i still want to know why they can make large Alien style exoskeletons and huge underground cities and exist for years and not once did anyone invent a cotton gin or at least try and make new clothes. just cause you're in a post apocolypse doesn't mean you can't darn your socks every now and then! Either they have messed up priorities or they never played War Craft and didn't know how to work a tech tree.
and in the first movie their eating wheat paste looking nasty foods out of hastily cobbled together bowls with spoons that are made up of more than 1 part [a spoon part] and yet they have prefectly good scalpels that easily stab through people. it's a damned spoon! since there aren't any spoons in the Matrix doesn't that mean they'd create all the spoons they could in the real world?
did everyone else pick up on the idea of love? it was really subtle and you may not have noticed it...
but anyway these are random jokes, i enjoyed the movie much more than the second and there were a few predictable bits and a few stupid bits but oh well, it's an action movie.
then again i didn't like Kill Bill so who the fuck am i, right?
eric
I gotta agree with CMonkey on his point about Neo vs. Smith ... I was like, "Wow ... he's winning, now he's losing ... now he's winning ... rinse, repeat" It just kept happening over and over again I was getting bored.
There was FAR too much dialogue. I don't mind a verbose movie now and again but it really cut into the flow in my opinion. I think that if there was 20 minutes of boring dialogue it could have been done just as well in 5 minutes worth. And if I had to hear another "You know the answer already" line I was gonna scream. That article DG linked to said it all.
The fight for Zion was cool and I loved that general guy's screaming. I thought it was primal and really cool. Like he was just screaming bloody hell for the human cause. I thought that was pretty sweet.
The ending ...
It made me want to puke.
I was one of those fans of the original who, after seeing the second one, thought, "well ... the third one will hopefully tie up loose ends" but I was rather disappointed.
When the squeeky little fellow went runnin' back to the citadel to announce their 'glorious victory' and there were still zillions of sentinals floating 50 feet above them. I think the celebrating was a tad premature.
Rumor:
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I read on another forum yesterday that the phone call Neo makes at the end of the first movie actually takes place after the events of the third movie. They stated a bunch of "proof" like the date on the line trace was significantly later that the date on the line trace at the beginning of the movie.
I don't know if I buy it ... but it's a little intrigueing and might make the ending better. ... Well ... maybe??
One of the big problems I have with the sequels is that I don't think Smith's character was originally going to be that big a part of the whole. I think it fell into the Urkel/Dr. Malcom syndrome. Where a character that was never intended to be a pivotal role was expanded on for audience approval. Good for Hugo Weaving ... bad for the movies overall.
I guess it just didn't feel grand enough for me.
anyway ...
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I agree with the opinion that the 15 minutes of flying and fighting were directly from Dragon Ball Z, I even thought Neo was going to make one of those Kame Hame attacks...
Anyway, I didn't like the film either, but joking about the film with friends is always fun. It would be funnier if it was cheaper, though.
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Disliking the film won't keep me from making specs. In my opinion Neo is still alive, we see the energy of the machines when they recover the body so it must be Neo's view.
Quote from: MrColossal on Sat 15/11/2003 20:10:44
then again i didn't like Kill Bill so who the fuck am i, right?
Exactly! ;)
I preffer the Revolutions to reloaded, but that is not "THE MOVIE".
Matrix one was a wave of fresh air, but it seemed that everything was spoiled in the second part. The idea of a person who can act in the life as a Superhero was exciting, but pushing it to the limit with the fight with that albin brothers in "reloaded" was IMHO crappy. Same thing to the final cuts of the fight with Smith.
Now they´ve got the messure again, the fight scene at the end was clearly inspired in dragon ball, or similar, a must see...
Recommended if you want to have a good time, but if you go to the cinema looking for "T3H ANSWER" you´ll be disappointed. Everything deppends on the attitude.
ya the first one was great,...
the second one sucked and the third one isn't even worth describing!!!
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trinity dies :'(
man that sucks...she was hot !
edit by eric, please don't spoil things for other people
hey, how about you [ hide] that little bit of a freakin' spoiler
OMG, I'm a quote!