DG gave me the idea to start this thread ^_- I think the sex topic is getting a little too nice, we need to fire people up again! Yes, controversy, arguments, hate! My plans for worldwide destruction are coming int- ... I mean, I think this would be a very stimulating topic that may lead to greater cooporation and understanding in the world.
Where do you stand on the topic of drugs? Before I go on, let me say to all you nitpickers that I'm talking about THOSE drugs... you know. Not caffiene, not medicinal drugs, not emotional drugs... those BAD drugs.
With that, my stance is pretty obvious. I have 0 tolerance for them. I hate them. I don't think any stupid drug should be legal, and teenagers are often idiots. Who gave teenagers permission to do anything, anyway?
All you pot smokers out there? This means you, too. It's bad, and it makes you stupid and dead. It pisses all the rest of us who have to deal with you off, too.
...and yes, I think alcohol is okay. Alcohol in reasonable doses is fine, and is used by lumberjacks and big breasted women. Pot is for hippies. Damn those hippies! I hate them so!
We had this one recently, I thinks... but for what it be worth -
Prohibition does not work. People of certain mindsets are going to take drugs wether they are legal or not, for a whole variety of reasons. Making drugs legal, and controling them carefully makes the situation safer. If alchohol was illeagal, people would drink bathtub gin, and maybe go blind and die. Which would be bad.
As for "dope makes you stupid and die" - yes, and alcho-mo-hol makes you a sparkling barrel of wits, and makes your liver super-strong.
:)
Davy
I think it's the same with drugs as with cigarrettes and alcohol for teens. I started somking in 7th grade, not because it's cool, but because I haven't tried that. I however quit after 1½ year beacuse it took all my money... To take teens away from harm would be to put them in a padded cell. They would probably sniff their underwear then
In aperfect world drugs, alcohol and cigarrettes should be legal... and nobody should used them...
But as this is no possible I say "make the "soft" drugs legal and be hard with the others"(I mean burning the plantations in Colombia and Afganistan and all that...)
Why legal?
-Because it would lose its "clandestinity" feeling (Which may be appealing for somebody)
-It would be healthier (yes, healthier...)
-Mob won't earn money.
-Govt. would earn money by taxes.
-Even with taxes, the overall price should be smaller than the nowadays price (So people who REALLY need it wouldn't waste their money.)
Starting threads for the sake of being controversial, are we?
No offense, but that first post seemed to be just crammed with arbitrary controversial statements..."teenagers are often idiots, etc"..."I hate hippies, etc"....
People only respond to such things in order to defend an already taken stance, not because they enjoy digging deeper into the subject or because they look forward to reaching new insights.
As much as I love to debate, it would be funnier if you came up with something more original and interesting.
When there is a demand for a product, there will always be a supply. They can't police it properly now. For every plantation that is destroyed, there will always be more.
That said. I have no problem with pot. I don't use it, but I know people who do. I just avoid them when they do.
Most of the drugs sold aren't by mobs. They are sold by 20-30 year olds who need extra cash. The same way a girl would be a stripper, but not legal.
Kinoko, I think if you're gonna start a topic like this, and then fill your first post with a buch of dirogitory statements you should at least back up some of the trash your talking with some kind of proven fact or at least some decent statisitcs.
Not only did you NOT come up with anything really constructive, it seems you've done no resarch at all.
Since I am the benevolent Gestapo, I'll give you a chance to edit this and get your debate on track. If you just want to spit close-minded hate twards one group of people "cuz hippi-drugiez are teh sux0rz" I'll lock this up tight and reccomend some straight-edge websites you could post on.
C.
I don't touch the drugs.
However, I think it's a person's choice.
I agree that a lot of teenages do it because it's taboo. It's not something they're supposed to do, so it becomes something they want to do.
I was a teenager once, a long time ago, but I remember the desire. I never gave in to the hard stuff, but I did toke up on the happy plant a lot.
At least ... I think I did ... I can't remember.
I've mostly refrained from any and all drugs for personal reasons. I know countless people who smoke pot, I know several people who recovered from heroine, however I know way too many people who smoke cigarettes. And will die one day due to its effects in combination with their genetic weaknesses.
I began drinking perhaps more than moderately after I turned 21, whereas I had gotten drunk perhaps twice before during a complete dry spell throughout highschool.
My stance is that children should be informed of drugs when they are absurdly young, say 5th grade, and shown the results of drugs. I once had to simulate smoking a cigarette with a baloon. I saw a film of black form inside the baloon and I decided that smoking was unhealthy. I never touched a cigarette until earlier this month, and I have no desire to smoke another.
Until some scientists actually prove smoking pot dangerous, I will make little judgement against my friends who smoke on a regular basis - as the drug does tend to relax people from their stress. The one time someone asked me "Do you feel anything?" and I actually did, I told him "I'm becoming really aware of my back."
If it isn't food, I will be really reserved from putting it into my body.
I dont touch drugs. An accidental overdose of a presciption drug (ritilin, which is virtually speed) gave my dad brain damage. He cant work anymore. I've seen brilliant people go crazy from a bad acid trip. damn people...it aint worth it
I think there is little discussion here. "BAD" drugs, as you called them, are bad. There can be no approving of them.
Me, my poision is booze. Not to say that I am an alcoholic, or drink casually, but I do find the lure of the light-headed feeling alcohol causes to be find to resist. However, ever since I had begun driving I had only few chances to drink properly.
Anything else, I don't touch. Surrounded by people (in schoo) of whom about 95% tried to smoke and 70% still do, I am very proud of the fact that I have never even tried a cigarette. At the moment, I have no intention of doing so, but I must admit that I am very curious. So, naturally I didn't try anything further down the line either.
Pot? I am not really against it, but against the daily usage of it. I have several good friends, who have in the last years become addicted to marijuana. I know all the arguments that pot causes no physical dependance, etc. etc., but for fuck's sake, I know what I see. They cannot through a couple of days without smoking some. At first, I had no problem of this. Hell, I even came sometimes, sober, to laugh my ass off from their jokes. But as time flew by, I felt worse about it. There is not a gap between this group of pot users and the rest of our company which will not easily disappear, if at all. They haven't really changed (they are still fun to be with). But it still feels that way. Drugs caused several of our friends to become somewhat alienated from me and the rest of my friends who do not smoke pot (regulary). I just hope that they will not fall to some heavier drug.
After being a horrible puritan in highschool, I've only just started to relax about other people doing drugs. I don't do them myself, however- I can't even drink. One jello shooter, which has about a mililitre of vodka in it, gets me drunk enough to start doing pretend newscasts as "Olga Hoordenfloorden" from "Grade Three News" about my friends "making the smoochy face under the monkey bars." What does this mean? I don't know. But my friend has it on video, and I wasn't quite drunk enough to forget it, so it must be true.
Other people, however, can do quite a bit without coming to any harm. They don't lose control, but just become happy and relaxed. More power to them. As long as they can give it up, do what makes you feel good.
Well, being one who does the occational "bad drugs" I dont see an issue with it. I agree with it being very bad for your health, however so is drinking, smoking, stress and having children. But my question is why do you hate it, why hate us?
Ok so you have admitted that you hate it. However its not like we're causing any effect on you. I remember somebody telling me that its like mutilation to my body. I pointed out the numerous piercings that she had. She said that it was her decision, well drugs are ours.
Children shouldnt do drugs. I agree with that 100%. But I like to call it a hereditary thing. My parents did it. They admit it to me. But hey, I'm completely fine with rotting my brian.
As for your opinion on drugs and on me for that matter is fine. I just wanna say I dont discriminate you any, so why discriminate me?
Quote from: Kinoko on Wed 21/04/2004 15:36:58Pot is for hippies. Damn those hippies! I hate them so!
Peace and Love man, Peace and Love. ;D
I only smoke when I'm on fire. I only take drugs when my doctor prescribes them. I only drink alcohol when I have a cold - NyQuil.
"Drugs are bad, m'kay?"
The only drug I approve of is pot, also called weed. Smoke all the weed you want, or all you can afford. Go out, smoke weed, get behind the wheel of your car, go to work, go skydiving...whatever. Just don't offer me any, and please put the joint away when I come in.
RE for President! :D
Lately my views on this issue have started to change. My old views would probably go along the line, that everyone should smoke (weed) once in their life. Alchohol and weed are about equal in harm to body.
However, when you see friends who begin to get addicted to alchohol or weed, your ideas start to change.
I would now argue, that if you want to smoke or drink, than do so. But I won't tell any of my friends to get into it. Because you never know what a person can get addicted to. I am a person who knows his limits, and can partake in a night of drinking or smoking. But I never drink excessively (I've never lost my memery). If I smoke it's a very rare occasion (now), and I try not to smoke the day after. I introduced my best friend to pot, and he smokes every single day. When we met up after a college break (since he goes to a different uni), he told me "You have to try smoking everyday for a semester." This kid is a smart guy...but it's harder to see anymore.
If you are able to control your habits, than I say do what you want. Don't judge people who smoke occasionally. It's the people who drink/smoke everynight that I'm worried about. But in the end, it's your own life. I don't suggest you do either. And I think drinking is just as bad, and I have another best friend who's gone through that route.
Just a fun fact: You know what most college kids are addicted to (something I'm incredibly addicted to)?
Caffiene.
-MillsJROSS
When I was in high school I belonged to a more or less big group of friends. I wasn't best friend of everyone but I put up with most of them quite well. Sometimes I saw some of my pals smoking marijuana but I didn't care too much, I knew one of my mates was the one who brought and sold the 'porros' (that's the way we call the marijuana cigarette) in high school. He never offered me one of those, I guess he realized I wasn't interested. As time passed we noticed many friends had already gotten that manner. I remember specifically a classmate that I guess he had some self esteem problem like he felt the class didn't accept him, or he felt ignored, something like that. I can't tell exactly. The truth is that for some time my closest friends and I noticed he acted weirder than usual, agressively, didn't talk too much, etc. We knew he was one of those who smoked pot, but we could still put up with the rest of them, not too much trouble.
The year next to the one I left that high school I received the news that our classmate had OD'ed and was in a hospital. He didn't die, and I haven't had news about him since then, I don't know if he could recover completely from that. I don't know if it was our other classmate the one who sold him the drugs or he got them somewhere else. It was sad to know that, it made me think that sometimes teens do really stupid things to draw attention and they end up doing it... in the worst way.
That's what happens many times, teens have that rebel instinct, want to take over the world and they tend to believe they're invincible (I have had those kind of megalomaniac feelings once or twice ;) ), generally they find out about they mistake in time. I know there's people that smoke pot and never have problems with it, they use it every once in a while for relaxing, something like that. There's nothing wrong in doing that, but no matter how warned he is a guy can end up being an addict in little time. That doesn't only happen with illegal drugs, cigarettes and alcohol have the same effect. I don't think they must be banned at all, it's just important that everyone know what he/she is doing, I mean really knowing it. Being conscious of the effect it will have. The teenager's mind, open to new experiences, can easily end up rotten uselessly because of that, that's how many people are spoiled...
I don't know where my friend (the one who sold) took the pot from but I don't think he planted it in his backyard. It's pretty clear that he bought it to someone who had more, and then this one bought it to another one, and following that chain you always end up in those big mafias that are always named. They exist, they are a real problem, they are really sending a lot of people straight into hell just for money. Maybe legalizing marijuana would solve this problem a bit, maybe marijuana is not that different from alcohol or tobacco if you think about it... But then again you have cocaine, heroine, and another bunch of much stronger, much more addictive, much more dangerous drugs. I think legalizing everything is a very bad move. How can you be sure you're not creating a bigger problem when trying to avoid the drug smugglers?
What happens to teens is real, many start smoking or taking drugs just to be cool, some others do it because they feel their life is awful and they need something to make it better for a while. Either way they can end up the same, so if you take drugs, please don't be such an idiot as to kill yourself, alright? Remember when you buy drugs you're giving money to some disgusting smuggler which is probably exploiting many people, except of course you're planting it in your backyard, which can also happen.
Alright this post is getting too long and probably full of redundancy because I'm falling asleep so see you later...
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: Haddas on Wed 21/04/2004 16:20:19
To take teens away from harm would be to put them in a padded cell. They would probably sniff their underwear then
I think Haddas has touched on a MUCH more important issue than drugs here -
UNDERWEAR SNIFFING: Harmless fun or dangerous social menace? You decide!
well, in the long run, sigarettes are more hassardous to your lungs than pot.
so, rather pot than sigarettes.
alcohol is okay too.
What I've learnt is you wont find anything by taking drugs, you'll never get that ultimate hit once you're addicted, and there's no real reason to keep doing it, except to stop you feeling like doing it. Then your tollerance goes up and you need more. It cost too much money, and even more when your tollerance goes up.
I can also argue a lot about prescbribed drugs and the ignorant doctors that prescribe them but I don't feel like getting into that again.
If you don't have an addictive personality you are much safer, eg. if you smoke, it's probably best not to get mixed up in any other drugs.
I've tried to become an alcoholic but I have never succeeded, which I'm glad about.
I've smoked for longer than some people on these forums have been alive which is scarey, I'm still fairly fit but cancer & heart disease is the real issue.
All I can say is just be careful if you are going to experiment with them, they can make you feel better than most experiences that you will have, but that's only the beginning, eventually you'll wish you chose to go to the gym or something else instead, and that's Guaranteed.
Most of my friends have slipped into a state of mental shittyness becuase they smoke weed alot. I don't condem the use of it, but if you get caught with it..your future could get screwed in an instant..
Excerpt from a day with my stoner friend
Head: 'laughing nervously'
Me:....shovel
Head: 'continous laughter
Me:If all it does is make you laugh..I could sell you some feathe..
Head:'Sock hop, soda pop, basketball and auto shop,
The only thing that got you off was breakin' all the rules!'
Not everyone responds to a high like this (I hope) but this is pretty close to what happens everyday in art class.
I just think it's funny when there's people that are against all drugs except for alcohol. They'll be like, "Drugs are so bad, but people that dont drink are WEIRD MAN!"
I think people need to face up to the fact that alcohol is a dangerous drug as the rest (it kills millions more people than all illegal drugs combined), and thus we need some consistency in our society. If alcohol and tobacco are legal, then so too should other drugs be.
I'm just sick of fuckers getting messed up on stuff and making life difficult for the rest of us. There should be hefty penalties for that.
Timosity- " What I've learnt is you wont find anything by taking drugs,
...I have such wonderful things to show you...
C.
Who needs drug if you can play RLBAT?
/me actually didn't read any posts in this thread.
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Here's some examples of how some sketching I did under influences turned out (this is about 8 years ago [and art isn't my forte])
warning: may contain images offensive to some
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I can see that most of you have bought into the lie that smoking is bad for you. Alright. I won't try to dissuade you. Wallow in your ignorance.
Cigarettes are good for you. They've got calcium, niacin, vitamin B12 & contain no hydrogenated soybean oil. It's what you light it with that matters. Do you light up using matches? They're killing you. Do you use a butane-filled lighter? Burning butane is a carcinogen. How about a coil heated by electricity? Those heated iron molecules are kicking your ass. I smoke the way that Buddha intended.. I light my cigarette using a magnifying glass and the beautiful rays of the sun - in other words, the natural way. If it's nighttime and I need a smoke, I simply rub two cigarettes together until one bursts into flame.
Alright. I don't have a point. I smoke. I wish I hadn't started but I do enjoy it. I figure I'll give it up about the time I experience shortness of breath or don't enjoy each one. I throw my butts away, I tap my ashes in an ashtray, I smoke at least 30-40 feet away from doorways & people. I chew gum, use mouthwash, brush my teeth, wash my hands, or wear different clothing when I'm around non-smokers so they don't have to deal with the stench of it.
I've got so much goddamn consideration for non-smokers you'd think they'd begrudge me a little elbow room. Sorry, I'm not actually referring to non-smokers. I'm referring to the anti-smokers (not to be confused with the anti-cigarette crowd). I'm only hurting myself here, and spending my own cash that I obtain from working 60-72 hours a week. Yet somehow, people think they've got the right to approach me when I'm sitting on my porch smoking - despite the fact that the sidewalk's 60 feet away - to tell me that it's bad for me and that I'm killing myself.
That's incredible! My holy shiva, buddha, jesus & batman, you've astounded me with your brilliance. Really? Causes cancer? Causes emphysema? Causes problems with pregnan-- do I look pregnant to you? So? Did you read that off a pack? No? You got it from an anti-smoking lecture.. got it. Well, they probably didn't tell you this Mr. Door-to-door dumbass but every carton I buy, every pack within, every lighter I buy to go with the pack (soon, it'll be on every cigarette as well) tells me exactly what you just told me. Am I supposed to congratulate you at this point? I'm certainly not going to argue against it, I'm just curious as to how it concerns you. It pollutes your air? I'm 60 feet away from the street, what are you? A bloodhound? Oh, the ozone layer. I hope you'll forgive my tresspasses as I forgive your V8 4WD SUV. I'm setting a bad example for the youth? Have you seen the youth lately? If anything, they're more likely to set a bad example for me. Besides, I'm sitting here in sweats and a t-shirt.. my hairs standing straight up in back.. I just woke up. I'm not exactly a glimmering example of cool here, if anything I'm a human billboard announcing to the world that you oughtn't to smoke otherwise you'll be in danger of becoming like this loser.
My lengthy rant explains my feelings about smoking and all drugs in general. I'm not as pissy as it sounds but when communicating in text you've got to be hyperbolic to get your point across sometimes. Be against drugs, just say no, take the stand, walk the straight & narrow, stand tall, be proud.. I've got zero problem with that. Start condemning people instead of the substances, then we'll have words. Of course, I won't be listening to yours if you're chugging a triple-venti-breve-mocha as you preach to the black kettle.
[/obnoxious rant]
Ok... hard drugs/soft drugs... so on and so forth.... I've heard all the arguments.... here is my stance....
moderation is key.... however in some drug type instances there is no chance for moderation, crack is instantly addicting, so can heroine, but on the other hand, people with addictive personalities can be addicted instantly to just about anything, drugs (which includes alcohol, and nicotine), gambling, russian roulette...
Things I've done.... smoke tobacco, drink, smoke pot. Things I still do... smoke and drink. I don't consider myself an addict to alchohol, I enjoy the occasional beer after hard day at work, or drinking a few more while I'm cooking out on the grill on a nice summer day. Smoking however I know I'm addicted too. Not just the addiction to the nicotine itself. I actually enjoy it, I like the feel of the smoke in my mouth and lungs, I like the flavor, and I like that I get to take breaks to do it.
Currently I smoke no pot because of the nature of my job, illegal drugs are a big nono in the US military, and we are randomly tested every month (that is to say in a unit of 100 people, at least 4 of them will be tested during any given month). Not only are they random, they are without notice, IE you show up at work like any other day and they say go to the conference room, you have a drug test.
Will I smoke pot in the future, more than likely not, my illicit drug use in college and some in high school was done because my friends knew how to get it, I didn't. Since I probably won't be near any of my old friends, and I doubt I will find THAT many in my corperate life (if they do use I'm sure they are very descrete about it) plus many companies drug test as well...
So all in all, people are going to experiment, but they should also be aware that they can become addicted, and know the signs... and know when to stop....
You should also keep in mind... like my cigarettes... some don't want to quit, even knowing what it does to them...
/me quietly steps off the soapbox.
I loveee drugs!
I'm too drugged up to remember right now, but earlier in the thread somebody mentioned how making drugs legal would stop mobsters from getting money, which is for the most part true. But then somebody else said how that's not true because most drugs are sold by 20-30 year olds. Something like that.
Well,
1) Mobsters can be 20-30 year olds too.
2) 20-30 year old non-mobsters buy their drugs from mobsters first.
Hey, look at me. I love mobsters, and drugs. And I'm not even 20 yet.
I tried pot a few times. I was fun, but i'll stick to beer.
Most people I've met irl or online that have taken drugs or smoked ( I don't really know anybody who's taken drugs unless they've never told me about it but then again it's something I haven't really asked about...and would feel weird about asking...*shrugs* ) ...they are a pain. I thought some drugs were supposed to make you hyper happy but most people I met seem to only care about themselves and smoking. One guy I met was really strict. I'm a follower of "girls just wanna have fun" , ( arg stupid missing text ) , so he was a bummer to me and I ended up spending less and less time with him until contact dropped off altogether. *sighs*
There was this one girl I met who was really nice but one day was surprised to see her smoking with some other girl I hated and they were hiding behind this huge heater or something when we were all outside. I somehow stopped having anything to do with her after that , now when I look back on it I feel kinda bad that we lost touch since she was a nice person but just being around smokers makes me ill.
Some of my current adult friends that I met thanks to my parents , they smoke but they're nice people.
I've heard horror stories about alcoholics too so I'm glad I don't know anybody like that either. ( or if they do drink..that'd be a surprise to me... )
Oh , and even though I've never tried drugs...I had considered smoking before but the whole "it makes your lungs Black and you could get cancer...ect." thing scared me off the idea. The reason why I even considered it was to lose weight.
I have tried alcoholic drinks a few times but nothing big , even a small sip makes me ill , so it's amazing to me that people can become alcoholics but I guess it's an acquired (sp.?) taste. One time I asked about peyote and wanted to go on a spirit quest but somebody had a friend who did that once and his friend was never the same afterward , it had really messed up his brain "he thought he was an orange" so I wisely changed my mind about taking peyote just to go on a spirit quest after that. :-[
I don't know if it really counts since the pills were not illegal , but one time I tried to take a whole bottle of pills and was sick for a while after that. :(
I beleive that LSD should be made legal and used under regulation. Many psychiatrists beleive LSD can be used to unlock partts of the mind not usually used. The only reason that people crash on it is because no one is there to talk them through the unlocking of it.
EuL
I don't know if LSD being made legal is such a good idea, but I wouldn't stand against it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to use it. And yes it does unlock parts of the mind not usually used, but they're probably not used for good reason (or just subconcious reasons) Also the possibility of flashbacks is concerning.
Ecstacy is interesting as it was onced used (or developed I'm not really sure) in Germany in World War I or II for soldiers suffering depression, it was originally thought of and trialed as an anti-depressant. It was forgotten about for years and made a comeback in the 70's or 80's I think.
Abuse of any substance prescribed or not isn't good for your body.
I think the most interesting thing is how much study is done on Wine, red wine especially. They always go on about how you should have a glass everyday, and come up with new benefits from it all the time.
Now seriously, This is almost propaganda from wealthy vineyards to get you to drink their wines, and also it's an upperclass thing to do, drink red wine. All the Doctors are recommending this for these reasons.
a) they are alcoholics (in denial)
b) they need more ways each day to rationalise their drinking problems.
c) they need more friends to drink with.
d) they need to increase the share prices of their vineyards
e) have something to talk about
Now why don't they just eat grapes to get all the goodies from them, I'll tell you why, cause grapes aren't addictive enough without the added alcohol.
If they devoted enough study to other drugs in the same way, they'd all be legal cause they do all have benefits in some way or another.
eg. smoking pot believe it or not can be used to stop asthma (not a cure) but it opens up the airways in the lungs instantly and can save a life if they don't have their medication handy.
that's just one little example but there are many others with all sorts of illegal drugs. but of course there are bad side effects as well, as with legal and prescribed drugs (the liver and heart seem to come off worse with most of them)
The biggest problem I have with drugs is their connection to criminality and exploitation. I think it's possible to use many drugs responsibly, but still not a terrific idea. I don't drink alcohol, smoke or use illegal drugs (which people often refuse to believe in view of my long-haired, unkempt visage).
Tea is enough for me. Precious precious fair-trade tea. Delicious and ever... so... four cups a day...
Well I'm off to get some tea.
LSD acts as a kind of stirring spoon.. your brain gets very mixed up. Smells can be interpreted as sounds, sounds as tastes, or whatever. The unlocking of certain parts of your brain can also be done through (much safer) hypnosis. I'd much prefer it over LSD anyway. The potential for spontaneous flashback is probably the most disturbing thing about LSD.
Someone was once telling me how it was discovered, it's actually naturally occuring. It can be formed in a type of yeast. It was first used when somehow an entire French (I think) villiage ate bread made with the yeast and just went crazy. One man jumped out of a three story building and when he landed, his ankle bones went through his knee caps and skin. It didn't stop him from running down the street on his knees.. crazy stuff.
Apparently it's not that hard to make at home either, she told me how, but I think it'd be best not to repeat.
The problem with LSD is that the very same drug, with the same proportions, composition, can affect in a very different way deppending on the person or the moment to take it.
The possibilities of a "bad trip" are great, maybe something like 1/4, and, if a pure lisergic experience can be great, one of those bad trips are just the opposite.
Take it into consideration...
Never tried LSD.. Didn't want to do it, was frightened of flashbacks and bad trips.
Once I took Speed, but only because some weird guy put it in my drink.
At the beginning it was cool, but it became very annoying when the floor tiles spoke to me and i fell over some steps that weren't even there. I checked it some time later, there really are no steps in that room.
I regularly smoked weed some years ago, every weekend or so. But the flash everytime became less cool and i had to smoke more for a great flash. About 4 grams in one Joint. Pure. That was pretty uncool and i've stopped smoking weed then.
All i do now is drinking alcohol (about every 2 weeks at the weekend).
The last time when i was totally drunk was last christmas, i can't really remember something, all i know is that this girl and me did something we didn't yet want to do.. :-\
Mmmm... as far as I know, the "speed" is "just" pure amphetamine (It should be just pure amphetamine, but, hey... the dealers mess with the composition...)
Assuming that is it just pure amphetamine:
a) You didn't take speed, but something elso, an hallucinogen, of course.
b) We call "speed" in Spain to something that has nothing to see with the "foreign" speed.
Can somebody explain it to me?
Thanks. :)
my doctor said it was of speed.. maybe he didn't wan't me to know what it really was in case i liked it and wanted to get more..
and yes, speed is pure amphetamine (it should be)... but i can only say that about "german" speed.
Quote from: shbazjinkens on Thu 06/05/2004 12:47:21
Someone was once telling me how it was discovered, it's actually naturally occuring. It can be formed in a type of yeast. It was first used when somehow an entire French (I think) villiage ate bread made with the yeast and just went crazy. One man jumped out of a three story building and when he landed, his ankle bones went through his knee caps and skin. It didn't stop him from running down the street on his knees.. crazy stuff.
Apparently it's not that hard to make at home either, she told me how, but I think it'd be best not to repeat.
The Ergot(sp?) fungus is what your thinking of, it grows on wheat, and it is one of the precusers to LSD, it on it's own, however, while hillucengenic is also quite deadly. And making LSD at home is not really possible, unles you have quite the laboritory set up in your kitchen and a few years of chem studies under your belt.
There are lots of horror stories about LSD (people tripping for ever, being locked up for thinking they're a glass of orange juice, killing their famillies, ect ect.) but they're
stories I have yet to see any hard proof that any of these things actually happened.
exerpt from Pharmacotheon by Ott
by Jonathon Ott
p.139
"I must emphasize that there is no danger of death or injury from overdose of LSD, which must have about the highest therapeutic index of any drug known (the ratio of fatal dose to effective dose is unknown since no human being has ever died from an overdose of LSD, but must be very high, as individuals have mistakenly ingested hundreds of doses at a sitting; this is a way of saying that the drug is not at all toxic)."
I'm reading alot of misinformation in this thread about drugs, which is bad. Any misinformation is bad. I would suggest people doing further resarch on there own at sites like www.erowid.org or www.dancesafe.org,
C.
Yup, but I had a friend who took 20 doses because the police was going to catch him and he spent a veeeery bad week (and when I say bad, I mean that he was able to see the air...)
The fact that the harm won't last forever is not the definitive reason to use it, but yeah... nobody died by LSD overdose.
Farlander, you also have to keep in mind that there is no telling WHAT was actually IN the lsd your friend took. It is next to impossible that htey hand pure lsd-25, and thats onle of the problems with making it illegal, it's now made by clandstine chemists under imperfect conditions, with imperfect materials (the ergotaim precurser to lsd is also illegal, so they are forced to sythisize that as well) and more then likely by imperfect procedure. So yes, I'm sure he had a bad week, who knows what he took? When LSD was legal (which it was untill the 1960's) there is sicentific documentation of subjects taking 5000 time the normal dose with out problems. But this was good old lsd-25 manufactured to the strictest of satndards.
I have friends whome I've personally witnessed take twice what your friend took and have a wondefull time. Hillucenigenics are all about environment as well, your buddy took a large dose under bad circumstances.. of course it sucked, in his position I'd have simply thrown the stuff away.
C.
I totally agree...
but, as you said, we can't be sure what are we taking except if we've done it ourselves... So, a point for not using them.
But, hey... I agree with a "sensible" use of some drugs, the problem is that many times the people who use them are not sensible as you and me can be. :-\
Yeah, LSD is probably the drug that is least likely to harm you. Theres only one drug I strickly stay away from and those who do it. Ecstacy. If it doesnt kill you, you'll kill yourself.
QuoteWhen there is a demand for a product, there will always be a supply.
I demand a bag of fine grade magic pixie dust, 2 dragon horns and two cups of gnome testicles.Ã, :P
QuotePot? I am not really against it, but against the daily usage of it.
Same here. I've never tried dope myself, but I hear that it opens your mind so I'd like to try it once or twice. But as the old Buddist teachings say, "suffering comes from desire" and desire in addiction and excess. I try to follow the middle path. As to cigerretts, I wouldn't touch them if you payed me 10 bucks to smoke one. I'm scared enough by all the commericals and documentaries and studies done to prove all the toxins and carcinigins when are in that stuff. Its like they put it all in there to kill you on purpose. Maybe its a goverment conspiracy or somthing.
QuoteBut hey, I'm completely fine with rotting my brian.
Ewww.....on second thought, maybe I'm changing my mind....
QuoteI only smoke when I'm on fire.
I only smoke after good sex.Ã, ;D
QuoteRemember when you buy drugs you're giving money to some disgusting smuggler which is probably exploiting many people, except of course you're planting it in your backyard, which can also happen.
I agree, buying drugs is probobly worse than the actual use of them because of where the money is going to.Ã, Thats why people should just get one plant, raise them and multiply them. Then you can have fresh pot whenever you like. :DÃ, ....just remember not to plant them next to your Oregano bush or you might accidently add some very "special" ingredients to your homemade tomatoe sauce.
Quotewell, in the long run, sigarettes are more hassardous to your lungs than pot.
Yeah, thats probobly true because if all the crap (note above) cig companies put in them. But, its quite legal to grow home-made tobacco atÃ, home without all the additives. I live next to a Native American reservation and I know that they use tobacco for rituals all the time. (Although, maybe not at the Native American Depenency Center near my house. And thats not a joke, although horribly ironic. I seriously live next to one.)
QuoteHere's some examples of how some sketching I did under influences turned out (this is about 8 years ago [and art isn't my forte])
Holy crud! I feel trippy from just LOOKING at those. "Duuudee, the colors, dude, the COLORS are awsome..."
QuoteI've got so much goddamn consideration for non-smokers you'd think they'd begrudge me a little elbow room. Sorry, I'm not actually referring to non-smokers.Ã, I'm referring to the anti-smokers (not to be confused with the anti-cigarette crowd).
Wow, I didn't know that smoking had so many diverse political groups about it. And I aprpeciate all your efforts. I am just a first-hand breather, ocassional second-hand smoker. Less than 2 packs a day.
QuoteIt can be formed in a type of yeast. It was first used when somehow an entire French (I think) villiage ate bread made with the yeast and just went crazy.
*Makes a note to cross out "French Bread" from his shopping list.*
QuoteThe last time when i was totally drunk was last christmas, i can't really remember something, all i know is that this girl and me did something we didn't yet want to do..Ã,Â
Oh, yeah. hX, I almost forgot. Here is your marriage license. Sorry about the delay.
QuoteYeah, LSD is probably the drug that is least likely to harm you. Theres only one drug I strickly stay away from and those who do it. Ecstacy. If it doesnt kill you, you'll kill yourself.
Hmm, that is debatable. But, I remember seeing this one PBS special about this Harverd professor who was at the top of his game was introduced to LSD (when it was still new. Like, in the 60's? 70's maybe?) and it radically transformed his life. He shared it with a few of the other professors he was friends with. Later, they decided to do a scientific study (the first and I think the only) on LSD and its effects of expanding the conciousness. For their subjects they went to the people who wainted spiritual revelations the most. Students studying to become priests and religous leaders. Before the test even got underway, they were stormed by the police and the program was shut down. But afterwards, this guy began a huge spiritual movment and turn his fathers vast property in to a place were hundreds of hippies came for spiritual guidence. The show almost made me want to get out and get some mind expanding drugs of my own. :P But I didn't. I guess I'm just a chicken or somthing. Maybe after a little peer pressure I'll try it some day when I'm a monk in Tibet. Anyway, this post has gone of for long enough and I apollogize to everyone for making you read it.
Leks, you're a Zen Buddhist aren't you? I'm assuming that you use or have used LSD seeing as you defend it passionatly whenever the situation allows, but wouldn't that be breaking the basic teachings of the Buddha (the 'purify the mind one' specifically, as I can't imagine that introducing alien chemicals into that squidgy thing we call the brain to royally fuck up it's sensory input would count as purifying it)?
Please set me straight if I'm wrong here.
DS: My use of LSD came long before I walked the path of Zen, I'm not so much defending it as I am trying to stop the flow of disinformation.
As for purity, you are somewhat correct, in walking the path I try not to harm my body with unatural things, but I am only human, and I much prefer the mystical fungus, which is 100% created by nature and 200% safe. It is a physical impossibillity to eat enough "magic" mushrooms to kill you.
They are a gift from Gia and Gia is great.
C.
I truly believe the reason drugs are illegal is not because they're immoral. I think it all has to do with capitalism, because if they legalized drugs, all of the sudden I think a lot of big drug companies would come out nowhere, specially from the whole Colombia and Mexico cocaine/marijuana thing, and there would be a whole new market the (US) goverment is afraid to deal with; the same reason why they kept communism down, and then they call it evil. Then again, communism was just a big excuse for corrupt officials to shamelessly steal all the money while calling it a revolution, while in capitalism is about stealing money the business-like way. ANYWAY, These drug companies would become as big as legal drug companies like Merk and so forth. Still, there's a lot of people who have became filthy rich from trafficing drugs illegally, but how much of it is fantasy and how much of it is real?
I don't believe drugs are immoral, yet I don't do drugs. Partially because of the above reasons; I guess I don't support that whole underground illegal operation, specially since I lived next to the drug-stereotype country of Colombia. I also believe that you don't have to try everything that's out there; maybe I'm just too plain and boring, but I just like the way I am. I don't think rebellion comes from dressing up differently or getting tatoos and piercings... that's what MTV made everyone think it is. Some people I know do it, though, and I guess I can say it kind of bothers me because I still don't understand why they have to try them. My friend detests even smelling like regular cigarrette smoke, and he's con-smoking, but he doesn't mind smoking pot, which actually has a worse smell... I just find that totally silly. I do drink alcohol, but not because to get messed up; I just like doing it. I don't like smoking, so how would that justify me smoking pot? That would just be being a hypocrite.
I just wanted to point out something...
Quote from: netmonkey on Fri 07/05/2004 06:13:36
yet I don't do drugs.
Quote from: netmonkey on Fri 07/05/2004 06:13:36
I do drink alcohol
Correction: you -do- do drugs.
Alcohol is a drug.
Yes: it is legal.
Yes: it seems to be socially acceptable.
But it is still a drug.
It is addictive.
It is dangerous.
And it does kill more people than all other drugs combined.
Sorry, but that does annoy me when people go on about how they don't do drugs, and then go on about how they drink alcohol.
Quote
QuoteI must emphasize that there is no danger of death or injury from overdose of LSD
... unless they tried to fly off a building.Ã, ;D
Actually, C-leks's comments on drugs have a very Bill Hicks-like ring to it -- it's something I like.
...
Drugs is a pretty general term in english, but in that context I guess I was referring to the non-drinkable, illegal drugs. it's just easier to just type the word drugs. I use it like saying "kicking your ass".. I don't litterally mean that I'm going to actually kick you in the ass :P And as I said, I don't see drugs, in general, as something inmoral... therefore, alcohol consumption is fine with me.
I think with drugs there comes a big responsibilty, tho, to keep you from destroying yourself, as Mr. Hyde said. Alcohol is definitely a socially-acceptable drug, but you gotta "drink responsibly" as they say in comercials. The thing is that depending on the drug you do, it's usually easier when the people around you accept it, too. I think the social aspect is a big part of it in some cases. I think a big reason why I don't do the illegal stuff is because it's treated like such a taboo, and the people I know act all shady about it.
I wonder what the ratio is between social and other reasons, on any kind of drug. I guess it's also easy to crutch on a drug to "solve" your problems. I know what it's like to have a crutch of some sort... it's hard to let it go. Fortunately, it's not a drug, but sometimes I do feel like I'm addicted to it... hahaha... I was just reading this and it almost sounded like I was talking about masturbation. No, it's not that. :D
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Fri 07/05/2004 08:51:41
You wanna smoke one, shoot junk, or snort a line, I could really care less.Ã,Â
So you actually do care? :)
And generally, I disagree, since most of the drug addicts end up in rehab and detox or whatever it's called, which is extremely expensive for the society, and the tax-payers.
Looking in a broader economic context too, if drugs impair your ability to work, you either do a crap job, or lose a job in which case you lose income, which means you don't spend [except on drugs] which means less jobs elsewhere etc.
The normal state of humanity is codependency, so if someone gets fucked, by their own action or by others, it's everyone's problem in the end.
QuoteI disagree, since most of the drug addicts end up in rehab and detox...
i disagree with that. i would say that people who smoke weed on a regular basis (everyday, every second day...) are addicted to drugs after a while. and i know many people who've done that, nearly 3/4 of my schoolmates do drugs. and they aren't ending in having a detox.
at least not all of them. ;)
QuotePut that in your bong and puff it.
aha. understood.. :D
Hey, good luck Mr. Hyde. I hope everything works out for you. The extent of my dealings with A.A. was caring for a friend of a friend's bird while he was in detox.. yeah, he was that addicted. The only thing I don't really like about it is that they force you to admit there's a higher power, which IMO isn't so much a necessary step as it is forced religion. Aside from that, I must commend you for taking the hardest step.. admitting that it's a problem.
QuoteOn the topic of alcohol... that shit is destroying my life. I find myself going to the bar at least once a night. I sit there and drink myself stupid, so that I can forget about all the things that make me depressed......I went to my first Alcoholics Anonymous meeting last night. It really was an eye-opener. I learned things about alcoholism that I never knew before. It really is a disease... an actual physical disease.
You know, depression is an actual pysical disease too..
I think AA meetings are good, I mean. Support group wise, but I don't agree with how the incorperate religion (The first step, mind you) into recoverery. Pressing your faith onto someone who has hit rock bottom seems just wrong to me. (btw, I'm Agnostic)
QuoteDrugs is a pretty general term in english, but in that context I guess I was referring to the non-drinkable, illegal drugs.
*nods in agreement as he stirs in some dope to make "special" leomonade*
Quoteand I much prefer the mystical fungus, which is 100% created by nature and 200% safe
It still counts as intoxication doesn't it? And I would never buy into "it's safe, no side effects whatsoever!" claims on anything, drugs will always knock your chemical equilibrium out of kilter and there will be consiquences that aren't good.
My personal views on drugs is that I exist due to millions of billion-to-one chances, so I'll be damned if I'm going abuse my mind and body with herbs, shrooms, chemicals, excessive consumption of fermented vegetable drinks, poppy flower extracts or whatever the hell else counts as 'recreational substances'. When you dick around with your conciousness you change who you are, and I think that's the worst thing a person can do to themselves.
I also can't see how drugs can aid in spiritual development, because you're doing nothing but altering your concious state as opposed to taking a voyage into your subconsiouness. The most you can achive would be akin to discovering fools gold.
Yeah, I didn't like how much the word "God" came up at the meeting... the meeting was held in a church, to boot. They open each meeting with a prayer, and I was all like, "...uh... do I hafta pray?..." It was also kind of difficult for me to actually say, "Hi, I'm Sully, and I'm an alcoholic."
But the people there were cool. I actually saw someone I knew there. I can't do the whole 90 meetings in 90 days thing like they had suggested, but I'll definetly be going to the next scheduled meeting in Clintonville.
I know depression is also a disease, I'm not going to argue that... unfortunately it's an uncurable one. The only treatment for it is for a doctor to give you some pills... In my case, I'd be fighting alcoholism with prescription drugs. Sounds a little odd, don't it?
It's not odd... It's just that depressions go like that, something weird happen inside, with the hormones and such stuff, and you're fucked, no matter how strong or brave you are...
But if sharing/chatting works for something... AGSers will be there, I've added you to my hotmail list...