LOLOLOL Ok so seriously I was wondering what does everyone concider as emo bands / music since, it seems no one I speak to agree on this topic.
No fighting mkay, let's try and figure it out.
30 Second to Mars... Mew... What are there, I don't listen to this, but it starts from a whole lot of angst, and crying and covering your faces with makeup and hair and being all emotional :) Some people might even think it's cool.
My Chemical Romance, one of the most "emo" bands I've heard. Quite awful too. Gwen Stefani is very emo too.
Then there's the Finnish band called Poets Of The Fall. Their music is pretty emo but it's still the kind of music I like.
Also, what Tuomas said.
Old emo was kick ass, like Gang of Four, Fugazi, Cursive, stuff like that. There is different brands of emo really. Generations actually, first, second and unsurprisingly third. Third is that make up wearing whiney MCR crap.
I won't get myself too deep into this discussion about what's emo or not, seeing as I really don't have enough interest or knowledge to make statements about it, but I will say one thing: Gang of Four? Haven't they always been post-punk? :S
Post punk and emo kinda blend at points. It's difficult to seperate it all really.
Boybands.
Any male that sings about love in whining, just-been-castrated, female-like voice.
Ballad singers. Enrique Iglesias & rest of the clone bunch.
Even some - otherwise very good - rappers (jungle emo, often called R'n'B or "pop music failed in all 3 points - no proper melody, rhytm or singing").
This what I consider true emo. Not hairy kids with black makeup and zero guitar skills.
And I hate it.
Girls love it though.
You can't really go arguing genres. BUT!
I'll have to disagree with InCreator. For instance, Mr. Iglesias Jr. Is a pop singer, who, as pop is, does ballads too. Most ballads are pop. Now the word emo comes from emotional, but if you think that all emotional music is emo then you are wrong. Basically most music is based on emotions and what I'd define emo is like overacting the emotional side of something. And by that I mean leaning the originality of the music only to the side that is about overwhleming emotions. If you sing about love you'll find yourself one of the 90% of musicians, but the best way to define emoism is the stereotypes. There are people who are emotional, and people who do everything emotionally. That's the difference to me. Some want to pose as extra emotional, and bring it out in their music. Not to sound sissy or to make girls scream, but to sound like someone who has something emotional going on and wants to talk about it and let it go.
Now boybands go to the cathegory of pop that pleases most of the target audience, which is girls. Girls like to hear about how they are loved and admired. But the difference is here: Backstreet boys sung "girl you are my everything, I love you" and the emos sing "I love you so bad it hurts, if you won't love me, i'll have to cut my wrists open." And there's the difference in my opinion.
Dashboard Confessional
Quote from: [Cameron] on Thu 06/03/2008 14:14:47
Post punk and emo kinda blend at points. It's difficult to seperate it all really.
Well, fair enough, I suppose, seeing as both genres emerged from punk/hardcore, it's hard for them not to blend into each other in the end. I just felt Gang of Four was a rather odd example. Wasn't their most important and defining work made in the late 70's/early 80's, before there really was an "emo"-scene/genre to blend with? I'm not saying they weren't influential to the genre, just as they've been influential to loads of other genres, I just wouldn't call them a part of it.
A great band, whatever you choose to call them, anyways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwQ_WJWX68
I think, like you said, that Gang of Four largely influenced Emo. They were part of the post-punk/hardcore scene very early on, which led to Fugazi a little later around the time it began transforming into the first generation of Emo. Because of this I'd say they were emo, or at least inextricably linked. Lemme put this in a metaphor so I can properly express what I'm trying to say. Gang of Four were old black guys, and first generation Emo was Elvis :=
Mew is emo now?! I've always thought of it as art rock. Why exactly is it emo?
Death Cab for Cutie (neutral)
Secondhand Serenade (ugh)
30 Seconds to Mars (eww)
My Chemical Romance (double eww)
AFI (blarrgghhh!)
My Chemical Romance
Bullet for my Valentine
Evanescence
Nightwish
Within Temptation
Panic! at the Disco
Linkin Park
Deftones
Green Day
et cetera
I agree with [Cameron].
I strongly disagree with Mew and Deftones being emo.
I don't know what's worse with all this MCR-style emo crap - the music itself or the people who claim to be 'emo'.
Quote from: Hammerite on Thu 06/03/2008 17:29:49
I strongly disagree with Mew and Deftones being emo.
Deftones is the emoiest band of them all! Seriously, I've never heard such emoy vocals
The shade... is a tool... a device... a savior
See, i try... and look up... to the sky
But my eyes burn...
Come shove it!
Shove it!
Shove it!
Shove it!
Shove it!
Shove it! And the way he sings it is like he's bleeding to death...
Edit: Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onEkZ96tEvg)
Tell me that's not emo...
haha Deftones, should be Tonedefs :P
You forgot the greatest album of them all - Obscura by Gorguts.
It's not really emo, in fact it's Brutal Death metal, but come on, listen to it.
Quote from: [Cameron] on Thu 06/03/2008 15:46:21
I think, like you said, that Gang of Four largely influenced Emo. They were part of the post-punk/hardcore scene very early on, which led to Fugazi a little later around the time it began transforming into the first generation of Emo. Because of this I'd say they were emo, or at least inextricably linked. Lemme put this in a metaphor so I can properly express what I'm trying to say. Gang of Four were old black guys, and first generation Emo was Elvis :=
Haha, I like the methaphor get what you mean, yeah. I think we're very much along the same lines, really. I still wouldn't go as far as claiming them to be a part of the genre, but hey, you can't agree on everything. Heh. :) It's a bit like the arguing about whether proto-punk bands such as MC5 or The Stooges should be classified as punk, since they influenced the late 70's punk wave...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQOBoA8g3RI
This is the perfect example of Emo. Read the Description aswell for an emo person
Quote from: Haddas on Thu 06/03/2008 20:00:11
This is the perfect example of Emo. Read the Description aswell for an emo person
Song is half bad/good. Description is so awful it's to laugh!
So emo is in fact 15-16 year olds with slight depression? And over 20s that never got over that phase as well, in music?
Mew, do sound like emo actually...
Emerald, Deftones totally aren't emo. They are just alternative metal. Anyway, Chino was better with Team Sleep.
Quote from: Haddas on Thu 06/03/2008 20:00:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQOBoA8g3RI
This is the perfect example of Emo. Read the Description aswell for an emo person
Simple Plan.
Yeugh...
Quote from: Emerald on Thu 06/03/2008 16:36:18
My Chemical Romance
Bullet for my Valentine
Evanescence
Nightwish
Within Temptation
Panic! at the Disco
Linkin Park
Deftones
Green Day
et cetera
I have to disagree with you here. Not sure about the other bands but Nightwish, Evanescence and Within Temptation are gothic rock bands. I must admit I'm not sure what emo is though. But I don't like to label any band or artist anyway... only 50 cent lol :P
I really dislike the way people throw around the term "emo" when it comes to music. It's almost as bad as that whole "nu-metal" thing.
I personally don't know exactly what makes music emo, but when I think of emo, I usually think of something whiny, like My Chemical Romance, Thursday, or one of the bands ildu mentioned.
From Wikipedia: Emo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo) -
"In an even more expanded way than in the 90s, emo has come to encompass an extremely wide variety of bands, many of whom have very little in common. The term has become so broad that it has become nearly impossible to describe what exactly qualifies as "emo".
The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarities, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre"Quote from: Emerald on Thu 06/03/2008 16:36:18
Evanescence
Nightwish
Deftones
Green Day
- I like Nightwish (before they changed singers). It was a nice blend of metal/rock, and opera. The new singer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZn7k5rZLQ&NR=1) brings more of a mainstream-pop, non-opera approach to their music, as opposed to their old singer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAsqNog7pmI), but there's nothing emo about it.
- Green Day. Come on, have you listened to "Dookie", or "American Idiot"? What's so emo about that band?.
- I haven't listened to anything beyond "The White Pony", but I wouldn't call the Deftones emo. I've always thought of them as more of an alt-metal. That, and I feel slightly insulted that you would imply that I listen to emo music: "Around The Fur" is one of my favorite CDs, which contains the song you quoted.
It's really a matter of opinion. 'Emo' is basically 'that which is emotionally superficial'
Crazy, I have to agree that I don't like the way people throw around the "emo" term. I never used it purely for the fact that I don't know what "type" of music it is.
Anyway so as per usual everybody has a different opinion as to what it is, I don't get it.
I'm still curious as to why the many different opinions, what are the reasons for you calling the bands you guys mentioned emo?
Emo to my mind is basically when non-metal guys put on eye-liner.
Isn't "emo" when someone is DEFINATELY (according to him/her) suffering beyond anybody else has done before? Isn't it when someone feels in a totally unique way, which nobody has ever felt before?
It does remind me of my wife with our first child that she was complaining 100% all the time, with the basic argument "you don't know what I'm going through". Somewhat this argument did not work to HER mother! ;)
Quote from: Andail on Tue 11/03/2008 11:27:44
Emo to my mind is basically when non-metal guys put on eye-liner.
They call it "guy-liner", which in my opinion is much sadder (no pun intended) than the music they make.
emo means your brain doesn't have to make an efort when listening to it, it has no depth.
Quote from: miguel on Sat 15/03/2008 13:47:29
emo means your brain doesn't have to make an efort when listening to it, it has no depth.
No! You can turn off your brain completely when you listen to Britney*, Rihanna or any other pop-crap like that. In my opinion emo-music generally has very deep and EMO-tional lyrics, which you can interpret in many different ways.
(*)
Oh baby, baby
Oh baby, baby
Ah, yeah, yeah
Oh baby, baby
I mean .. wtf ..
QuoteI'll have to disagree with InCreator. For instance, Mr. Iglesias Jr. Is a pop singer, who, as pop is, does ballads too. Most ballads are pop. Now the word emo comes from emotional, but if you think that all emotional music is emo then you are wrong.
And I disagree here.
There is no such genre as "pop music". Pop is whatever majority of mainstream radios play and children listen to. And depending on era, it could mean just whatever.
For example, in Europe...
In early 90's, "pop" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VkkeV6Crdc) meant white chick singing 4 lines of lyrics, black man rapping and bass pumping with some very catchy synth stabs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ru6boV6WS4). Nowadays, no-one calls this pop. It's eurodance or swedish techno. Almost every genre popular then took something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ocLN4Dc3I) from reggae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96jFtzVa80A) as base. I still don't know why. But I personally love those times.
Later 90's, "pop" meant cheesy ballads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgH-jWCny9U), boybands, less techno and, of course, Britney & various clones singing about sex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpiD4zVJE7A). Subtly. Emphasis on singing with boring, but very professionally made music background. There was strong movement towards crazier, less traditional beat found in later RnB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-V_SZJra7U). Again, loads of quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqJ3EdBqYyM) music. People started to hate boybands because they listened to those too much, not because they were bad(Because they were not!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcWEd4opkI). Until... hip-hop broke in.
And it all went downwards.
Today, "pop" means usually woman singing (or pretending to sing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARsbfApOtmY)), but without noticeable melody or any beauty in it. Beat consists shakers and other strange instruments, and sounds like a hip-hop beat cut into pieces and taped together randomly. Sometimes, some rapping is included aswell. There's no melodic background, simply some random, strange sounds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7a24mf_76k). Singing often becomes simply screaming or cursing and yelling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGx6YXdv_40). This retarded child of human ability to create music is called Rhytm'n'Blues.
Well, that was an example. There is alot more genres called "pop", but they all have true names besides this. In 20 years, pop means something entirely different.
And Iglesias & Co, are they really trying to deliver musical experience? Or simply gouge some additional tears out of teenage girl who has just been dumped by her boyfriend so she'd buy another album?
But of course, that's my personal take on the subject. I don't think that there's constant, solid truth to be found here.
QuoteBasically most music is based on emotions and what I'd define emo is like overacting the emotional side of something.
By this definition, exactly how can you call fake metallists emo and not this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMvsg0Ny5OY&feature=related) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOR_jq9M53c)?