Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon, passed away recently--he was 82.
:~(
Farewell, Neil Armstrong... now you're beyond the universe!
Oh God! Oh God, oh God, oh God! :~( Why must You treat us this way?????
Man, when I was a kid, I wanted to BE Neil Armstrong. :~(
I'm sorry he's passed away...
Probably not the best time to say I don't believe he had actually ever landed on the moon then?....
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 05:07:57
I'm sorry he's passed away...
Probably not the best time to say I don't believe he had actually ever landed on the moon then?....
Don't believe in The Shining myth, he landed on the moon.
The greatest explorer in history!
He made us all want to reach for the moon.
Rest in Peace Neil. :~(
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 05:07:57
Probably not the best time to say I don't believe he had actually ever landed on the moon then?....
I hope you are trolling.
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 05:07:57
Probably not the best time to say I don't believe he had actually ever landed on the moon then?....
No, and you can keep that mistrust to yourself! >:(
Always sad to see a great man go. Farewell.
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 05:07:57Probably not the best time to say I don't believe he had actually ever landed on the moon then?....
Please. Keep your crackpot ignorance to yourself.
Don't really get it why it's being labeled "trolling" and "crackpot ignorance" to express my beliefs. Would Agent Mulder be also slated for what he wanted to believe in?....
What's so wrong with having an open mind about this and assuming there might be other possibilities? Everyone's death is a sad event and he will be missed of course... But guys, I didn't barge into his funeral screaming he's a fraud and handing evidence to the grieving family and friends. I just said: yeah, well, I'm not buying it personally, but there you go- I don't believe in Osama Bin Laden either...
Right ok, I'm invested. I love conspiricy theories.
Why, pray tell, do you not believe man has landed on the moon? I do however forewarn you that *every reason* you might have has been tested and shown to be stupid but give it a go anyway.
I can't say I have any shocking evidence or extensive knowledge on this subject... I don't know. Just always thought that back then there just wasn't technology that would unable them to land AND go back to Earth...
Yeah, I'm gonna get slated now... I guess I should've done some research first. Go ahead and tell me I'm an idiot;) But don't call me a troll!!! :)
Specifically, what technology do you think they lacked that they would need?
Landing on the moon is basically just aiming a rocket at it and slowing down before they hit it. The moon has no atmosphere to complicate things. The hard part is the mathematics involved in predicting orbits and stuff which you can do with a pocket calculator.
Why haven't there been more moon landings then if it's so simple? Shouldn't Richard Branson build himself a summer house there with a nice view on Earth?... I'm sure there are people who could afford it...
First of all, people
wanting to believe something is the main reason why there is such an abundance of stupid conspiracy theories. The only thing that matters is whether a belief is true or not. (The definition is kind of the key here, a belief that is essentially an opinion is of course neither true nor false and rarely stupid, except when it's grossly misinformed. But a belief such as "man did not land on the moon" is really a claim, and as such its validity is subject to facts.)
Secondly, having an open mind is fine, but buying into every crackpot claim out there is clearly not. To my mind, having read a lot about this subject, believing that the moon landings have been faked is pretty much on par with believing that the earth is flat.
The claim that the moon landings have been faked is one of the most thoroughly debunked conspiracy theories ever. Now add the fact that the people peddling this nonsense to sell their books are still sticking to the same old stupid arguments ("the shadows aren't parallel") even though it only takes high school physics to debunk most of it, and there
you go.
And regarding the technology of that time: The programming language C was created three years later.
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 21:45:07Why haven't there been more moon landings then if it's so simple?
There has been a total of six manned moon landings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apollo_missions#Manned_missions) (the last in 1972).
If you really don't know this, please stop talking right now and do some research first.
Also:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/moon_landing.png)
Hey - and listen to this - we could have built a moonbase if the Apollo program hadn't ended! Technology moves fast, eh? Perhaps when we do get round to it, we'll name it to Neil's memory.
It's not something I was buying into, because clearly, if I was, I'd know better how to fight my corner here and provide some strong arguments. I'm certainly not some kind of obsessed psycho spending nights trying to convince myself and others that the government is responsible for this and other conspiracies... In my defence I will just add that I didn't say "man did not land on the moon" but simply that I didn't believe that, so it wasn't really a claim?;)
But you are certainly right- I should know what I'm talking about before I say anything.
And fine. Faced with a quick research this situtation has encouraged me to make, and the facts mentioned by you, I will have to agree that it probably did happen. I'm open minded enough to admit I was wrong.
Landing on the Moon is complicated, but not so much that everything would explode if the minutest detail was wrong. All you need to do is ensure complex organisms like humans can survive when they're in a lander and suit by adapting technology they already had. Getting into orbit from Earth is the hardest part of the journey, easier than just essentially giving the lander a push to escape the Moon's gravitational field. I knew you weren't a troll and to be fair I partially subscribe to some Illuminati/MK Ultra theories, but like you, only because I haven't found explanations, not because I want to be trendy ;)
Sadly, it's not just you Grimm.
It's madness I tells ya, soon people will believe there were "concentration camps" in WW2 where they killed and tortured people.
I mean, yes, there are people who say they were there and there's authenticated photos, dust and rocks from the Moon, repeated missions, people who saw the actual rocket/shuttles launch and land, there really is not any motive to say there was more than 1 mission (because the first one ended the space race basically, so why say were there more than once), but still...
Quote from: Atelier on Sun 26/08/2012 22:27:33
not because I want to be trendy ;)
You make adventure games. You will never be trendy.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Sun 26/08/2012 22:45:08
You make adventure games. You will never be trendy.
But that doesn't mean we can't be sexy. :cool:
(http://www.barnrunner.com/pics/misc/cow_dance.gif)
Yes it does.
(http://www.barnrunner.com/pics/misc/girly-cow.gif)
I beg to differ, sir. Clearly, i am one sexy cow. :P
But you don't even have udders. By all acounts that makes you a sorry excuse for a cow.
Quote from: Anian on Sun 26/08/2012 22:42:45
Sadly, it's not just you Grimm.
It's madness I tells ya, soon people will believe there were "concentration camps" in WW2 where they killed and tortured people.
Really?!?
Is there really a need to be so patronising about this?!?
Do NOT compare me to those who believe that. There is a line, you know. I DID admit my knowledge in that area is sparse and I'm actually willing to change my mind about that seeing how strong people feel about it and faced with the facts. But whether the moon landing happened or not, it doesn't bear the same meaning as Holocaust where millions of lives were lost, probably the worst crime inb the history of mankind. By putting me in the same bag as those Fascist sons of bitches who deny the existence of concentration camps for the purpose of cleaning their undeniable guilt you really
do offend me.
I really didn't expect that.
CJ won't let me post my sexiest cow gifs. But I suppose that's a small price to pay for being a member of the sexiest forums on the interwebs.
Also, this thread is now about sexy Neil Armstrong. := (<-- Sideburns. Very sexy)
Yes, let's keep this thread on topic.
Quote from: Grim on Sun 26/08/2012 23:15:47
Really?!?
Is there really a need to be so patronising about this?!?
...
I really didn't expect that.
Well, yes that did come out harsh, I'm sorry. But that "line" is really foggy, you can basically say anything is BS from history, not doing research or checking for facts about your beliefs and opinions is really offensive to other people. Just because an opinion about a human accomplishment is not perhaps in the same level of grandeur as killing of millions of people, doesn't mean that it doesn't change the attitude towards events.
I firmly believe that historia magistra vitae et testis temporum (or this should be true in a more idyllic world) and when events such as a death of a figure from those same times and history occur, then warping facts and changing events on basis of paranoia and human stupidity (and by this I mean human stupidity in general, not you) is one of the most horrific things that can happen to a civilization.
Grim, you've been met with harsh responses here, but take an objective look at what you're doing.
* Someone starts a thread where people can wish a certain famous person a peaceful rest.
* You, unprompted, claim that the person in question was a fraud.
* When called on this, you have no facts or even thoughts to back it up, just a vague feeling.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but an RIP-thread is seldom the right place to barge in and make illfounded accusations.
If anyone wants to debate the alleged falsity of the moon landing, I suggest they start a new thread, and bring at least a modicum of theory to the table.
I think this isn't the first RIP thread that ends up this way... Perhaps the reason for it is that for most people here Neil, or any such person, is a hero, but for some, like me, he isn't. Not in a way that I don't respect his achievement, regardless of my beliefs ( NOT claims), but in a way that I personally didn't grow up wishing it was me going to the moon and playing out the moon landing with my lego characters when I was a kid. It was never something that fascinated me much. Why post an opinion then, I'm sure you'll ask? Because this is a forum and the general idea of it is that people from all cultures and different ways of life can express themselves freely. This isn't some kind of Neil Armstrong memorial forum, but adventure game forum. I'm sure none of his family will read what Grim said and weep. It just really doesn't matter what I believe and if I knew it would be met with such hostility, I'd do something else instead.
I did not call him a fraud, I did not attempt to rewrite history. I'm sure he was a lovely, lovely man, who had a long and accomplished life, and for that fact alone he has my respect. I'm pretty sure that if me and Neil met and I said "Man, you didn't really go to moon and back, did you?" he would just smile and talk to me like a friend. He wouldn't spit in my face and release the hellhounds on me.
But, sorry, that's how I felt here.
Quote from: Grim on Mon 27/08/2012 19:25:16
I think this isn't the first RIP thread that ends up this way...
No but people usually react when RIP threads derail for no real reason, and thread authors tend to find it disrespectful.
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Perhaps the reason for it is that for most people here Neil, or any such person, is a hero, but for some, like me, he isn't. Not in a way that I don't respect his achievement, regardless of my beliefs ( NOT claims), but in a way that I personally didn't grow up wishing it was me going to the moon and playing out the moon landing with my lego characters when I was a kid. It was never something that fascinated me much.
Me neither - I don't have any personal investment in Armstrong's reputation, it's just a matter of principles.
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Why post an opinion then, I'm sure you'll ask? Because this is a forum and the general idea of it is that people from all cultures and different ways of life can express themselves freely. This isn't some kind of Neil Armstrong memorial forum, but adventure game forum.
No, this is the general forum, where all topics may be discussed, but a rather fundamental principle here is that we respect the thread topic.
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I did not call him a fraud, I did not attempt to rewrite history.
Yes you did. By calling the moon landing a hoax, by proxy you call a man whose entire career and life calling evolves around the moon landing a fraud. And since the moon landing is considered a fact amongst any serious historian or scientist worth his salt (and everyone else with common sense), you are indeed trying to rewrite history.
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I'm sure he was a lovely, lovely man, who had a long and accomplished life, and for that fact alone he has my respect. I'm pretty sure that if me and Neil met and I said "Man, you didn't really go to moon and back, did you?" he would just smile and talk to me like a friend. He wouldn't spit in my face and release the hellhounds on me.
Well, his brother-in-arms Buzz Aldrin once punched a guy in the face for expressing disbelief (not approving this, just saying) so I wouldn't be so terribly sure. Frankly I think all of them are pretty tired of conspiracy theorists.
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Ignorant and disrespectful, Grim.
In a perfect world, Buzz Aldrin would live long enough to travel the world, punching everyone who thought he faked his historic accomplishment. 8-)
Grim:
It's laughable that you insist that your stance/beliefs/point of view/whatever is "NOT" a "claim[s]". You're simply trying to pass of your ignorance as a mere "belief" in order to make it unchallengeable. That's dishonest and pathetic.
You aren't agnostic about whether Armstrong has been to the moon; according to your own words it didn't happen because the technology at that time was insufficient to pull it off. That's a direct contradiction to the established facts and the accounts of thousands of people around the world who where directly involved in the live broadcast or watched the spacecraft with their telescopes.
What would you say if I stated on these forums that it was my belief that you didn't create Downfall because your talent was insufficient at the time and that "The Cat Lady" isn't more than the trailers and screenshots and that there's no actual AGS game in the works?
Would your reaction treat this as a false claim, or would you simply shrug and say "that's his belief, he's entitled to it"?
Also, I don't have a huge emotional attachment to the moon missions or to Neil Armstrong. I simply despise the combination of spewing ignorance and acting all victimized when people call you out on it. Either do your research properly and learn something in the process, OR stick to your patently false claim and be ready to argue for it, ffs.
He was the best cyclist and he will be missed.
Yes it's a joke.
That punch is a hoax.
Quote from: Kweepa on Tue 28/08/2012 00:50:50
That punch is a hoax.
The shadows don't line up! And that is clearly a sound stage! And a stunt double! :cool:
There is nothing more I can say, and even if there is, it will probably be taken out of context and called pathetic, ignorant, laughable and false.
I honestly feel that I haven't deserved this kind of comments. I'm not even sure how to feel about this:
Quote from: Ponch on Mon 27/08/2012 22:42:27
In a perfect world, Buzz Aldrin would live long enough to travel the world, punching everyone who thought he faked his historic accomplishment. 8-)
I guess I'll just say thanks and seeya elsewhere on the forum, hopefully in a nicer discussion. I won't post on this thread anymore, because clearly this is upsetting to everyone. I'd say me included, but I suppose I am not allowed to feel a victim here (because I'm the bad guy, and the only way to deal with ignorant fools like myself is to kick the shit out of them- and if that's the case, I'd say mission accomplished, prepare for landing...).
RIP Neil Armstrong
The only folks I've talked to (in person) who didn't believe in the Moon landings were Russian. During the Space Race their government called BS on the first Moon landing, and in-turn started the early versions of the conspiracy theory. My Dad worked for NASA Langley for 40 years, so I had steam coming out of ears trying to argue with them and eventually gave up.
I love that Buzz Aldrin clip.
Look, a guy just fucking died, okay? The least you could do is abstain from your utterly uninformed dismissal of his legacy. It's not malicious, it's not even stupid, it's simply ignorant in the purest sense of the word, as you freely admit your beliefs were completely devoid of research or evidence but rather the small-minded disrespect of a great man, not to mention the scientists and engineers who put humans on the goddamn Moon.
Also, props to NASA Langley, kconan.
I heard the moon doesn't even exist.
ITS A CARDBOARD CUT OUT SHEEPLE!
Stay right where you are, Calin. Buzz Aldrin should be along shortly. :=
From space to World War II to sexy cows, this thread is getting more complicated than a Xeno game.
Listen guys I'm very srs here. The moon... Is hollow...
Quote from: Dualnames on Tue 28/08/2012 04:07:18
Also I wish Buzz Aldrin was alive so he could punch Khris every single time he made an utterly offensive post.
Technically speaking, Buzz Aldrin is still alive, although he lives in New Jersey, which is a fate worse than death. :=
I do wish to apologize to Grim if it appeared as though I implied you were somehow less intelligent than dualnames, as this is most certainly not the case.
The major sticking point in my argument with the Moon Landing deniers was that they didn't believe a flag can wave in the vacuum of space. It can if the pole is turned back and forth. http://mythbustersresults.com/nasa-moon-landing
I give Armstrong credit for being humble about an amazing achievement that most people wouldn't be humble about.
Like the deniers know how cloth works in space. You can see the thing from a telescope it's there, I think at that period of time it would have been harder for NASA to build a robot that could go on the moon and plant the flag.
Quote from: kconan on Tue 28/08/2012 07:18:51
I give Armstrong credit for being humble about an amazing achievement that most people wouldn't be humble about.
No kidding. If I were him, I'd have milked it for all it was worth. Heck, I once kissed a girl and I didn't have to pay her or anything. Twenty years later, I'm STILL telling everyone I know about it! :=
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Quote from: Dualnames on Tue 28/08/2012 04:07:18
Also I wish Buzz Aldrin was alive so he could punch Khris every single time he made an utterly offensive post.
If and only if Dualnames actually posted this (before somebody deleted it, it seems), and this quote and ddq's post strongly suggest this:
Dualnames, you're a fool. Fuck you. And please answer via PM if you must.
(Also, in case you missed it: your post was offensive, too, which makes yourself even a bigger fool, apart from the fact that Buzz Aldrin IS still alive.)
Oh, for all those who still hold to the hoax conspiracy, I highly recommend they watch the lunar landing special on Mythbusters. That should dispel the hoax theory.
Quote from: Khris on Tue 28/08/2012 12:12:32
If and only if Dualnames actually posted this (before somebody deleted it, it seems)...
Perhaps he posted it. Or perhaps... it's all part of an
elaborate conspiracy! :=