I'm eating a burger. It's alright, I guess. It's a vegetarian burger, with cheese and relish on it, between 'american style' baps.
I'm also eating potatoes and peas. There's no salt or butter on them. I think I just realized that potatoes and peas don't taste of much at all. They don't taste very nice.
Butter and salt, on the other hand, tastes like peas and potatoes usually do.
I'm kind of torn between drinking a glass of soda, or a mug of coffee.
The potatoes are still hard. I don't think they're cooked right.
.... well, this was a waste of a topic.
a burger.....rrrrr....
wish I had one here right now....
Quote.... well, this was a waste of a topic.
The peas are cold in the centre. Are they still frozen?
Am I going to die?
O_o
A 1: Yes, after they were in your nose. ;D
A 2: Yes, because terrorists are out for you. ;D
You go waste a potentially good burger by having a vegetarian one? ._.
who on Earth eats a burger with salted buttery peas and potatoes, let alone bland peas and potatoes. Have a glass of water. Lay off the addictives
RTF Food Update:
Just ate some Macaroni & Processed Cheese. Drank orange juice, had strawberries.
I eat that, because I am vegetarian.
Wuss
Quote from: [lgm] on Mon 26/07/2004 00:13:10
Wuss
Ditto. Whoever heard of an Irish Vegeterian? Next you'll tell us you don't drink.
Quote from: [lgm] on Mon 26/07/2004 00:13:10
Wuss
And I'll counter your "Wuss" with a "yay for vegetarians".
Rusalka, be glad (or sad?) that your boyfriends (Kingzjester and Remo) are not here to argue (or flirt?) with you. :P
Hey, are you really vegetarian? That's awesome! :D I'm a vegan. 8)
People who don't eat meat scare me.
Why do you think genetically we have those teeth called "canines"? For ripping and tearing of flesh, of course! Not that an all meat diet is good, but we are omnivores and it's only through good science and food technology that the "natural" vegans can exist in any kind of healthy manner.
It's like rabbits not humping or something.
Then again, you just gotta eat what you like. Excuse me while I enjoy my Bacon-Cheeseburger, my cigarette, my beer and my heart attack. ;)
Bt
Give up the anti-veggie charade. It's healthier, it's totally plausible, and it's just dumb to taunt vegetarians with comments about how many animals YOU'RE going to eat to make up for it. I eat meat, but it's a matter of convenience more than want or need. If you knew everything that happened in that process you wouldn't think it so appetizing, assuming you aren't desensitized to it.
All veggie is not healthier, who told you that?
A balanced diet is the healthiest. Ever heard of the food pyramid. IT HAS MEAT!
Quote from: LostTraveler on Mon 26/07/2004 05:30:19
All veggie is not healthier, who told you that?
A balanced diet is the healthiest. Ever heard of the food pyramid. IT HAS MEAT!
Yes, a balanced diet is healthiest. A balanced diet can exist without meat, or any animal products for that matter. Vegetarianism IS generally considered a healthier diet than a meat based one.
Did you know that when the food pyramid was originally created that they suggested too many servings of meat and other animal products because they weren't fully learned on the nutritional value of such products, and non animal products?
Besides, what does the food pyramid have to do with it? Apart from the fact that it can be incorrect, it can also be biased, and swayed by special interest groups.
And, on another note, let me present to you my food pyramid. If the food pyramid is an authority on the matter, as you say, then you have no choice but to convert. That's a bottle of flax seed oil up the top, by the way.
(http://toefur.com/images/albums/userpics/pyramid.jpg)
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Mon 26/07/2004 03:12:06and it's only through good science and food technology that the "natural" vegans can exist in any kind of healthy manner.
Wrong.
Quote from: ShbazjinknsGive up the anti-veggie charade. It's healthier, it's totally plausible, and it's just dumb to taunt vegetarians with comments about how many animals YOU'RE going to eat to make up for it.
Hence my wink emoticon at the end of the statement. As much as I loath emoticons, I felt it the best way to convey the actual statement that I don't really care what one eats as long as it makes them happy and makes them feel good. I eat meat. Some don't. Cool! We all like AGS, I think?
Quote from: Toefur on Mon 26/07/2004 06:55:26
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Mon 26/07/2004 03:12:06and it's only through good science and food technology that the "natural" vegans can exist in any kind of healthy manner.
Wrong.
Uh, no Mr. Toefur.Ã,Â
Bt
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Mon 26/07/2004 07:20:47
Uh, no Mr. Toefur.Ã,Â
Bt
And you base this on what?
The simple fact of the matter is that all nutrients the human body requires are readily accessibly from all non-animal sources.
QuoteWuss
Wtf?
QuoteWhoeverÃ, heard of an Irish Vegeterian?Ã, Next you'll tell us you don't drink.
Wtf!?
QuotePeople who don't eat meat scare me.
Boo?
QuoteThen again, you just gotta eat what you like.Ã, Excuse me while I enjoy my Bacon-Cheeseburger, my cigarette, my beer and my heart attack.
Wtf?
QuoteRusalka, be glad (or sad?) that your boyfriends (Kingzjester and Remo) are not here to argue (or flirt?) with you
Wtf?
QuoteIt's like rabbits not humping or something.
Man! If there were WTF tags I would be using them. This whole thread would be filled with WTF tags. WTF? I make a nonsensical topic and you make sense of it? You people fill me with hopelessness, and WTF. Why does it bother you what I do or don't eat? Why do you get so offended that I do not eat meat?
Silly humans. IT WAS A PASSING REMARK!!! Let's get back to the topic here, which is what I'm eating.
....Oh.
(http://ralph.simpsonsweb.de/frame/14.jpg)
"When I grow up, I'm going to BOVINE UNIVERSITY!"
I ares vegan, too!
It sucks.
But it still rocks. Me and Toefur are great!
Toefur!! I finally got that! I could never live without meat...but...to each their own.
Quote from: Flamboyant PC Salesman on Mon 26/07/2004 07:37:38
Silly humans. IT WAS A PASSING REMARK!!! Let's get back to the topic here, which is what I'm eating.
....Oh.
Good point, Yuf.
I ate a donut earlier. With Milk.
Bt
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Mon 26/07/2004 03:12:06
People who don't eat meat scare me.
Why do you think genetically we have those teeth called "canines"?Ã, For ripping and tearing of flesh, of course!Ã, Not that an all meat diet is good, but we are omnivores and it's only through good science and food technology that the "natural" vegans can exist in any kind of healthy manner.
It's like rabbits not humping or something.
OMG you are right WTF I am going to go eat some meat RIGHT NOW you have changed my mind that I do not like the taste or smell of meat!
Quote from: netmonkey on Mon 26/07/2004 01:40:07
Rusalka, be glad (or sad?) that your boyfriends (Kingzjester and Remo) are not here to argue (or flirt?) with you. :P
What the
hell does
that mean?
I don't get it.. I make a post asking a reasonable question, and it gets no replies.. Something like this is posted and it's swarmed around almost instantly.
It's because I'm better than you, probably.
And anyway, you're one of the swarmers. I never swarm around any of your posts.
I'm all for vegetarianism. Yay veggies. but vegans. thats just plain stupid. It hurts, it actually hurts, a cow if its not milked. The cow was not harmed. NObody was harmed. nothing. but you won't drink milk. most eggs do not contain baby chickens. yet you won't eat eggs.
one final point. yay vegetarianism.
Okay, I am not vegan or anything. But I know Vegans that are vegans simply because they don't like drinking milk. I don't like drinking dairy milk. I don't mind it in coffee. But I drink Soya Milk otherwise. I prefer the taste. I also don't like eating eggs. Lots of people don't like eggs and milk.
I'm not vegetarian because of the poor animals, but because I just don't like meat. I think it's gross.
BUT, by the same token, that doesn't mean that animals DON'T often lead horrible, cruel lives to be eaten. Also, cows do not ordinarily produce milk constantly. To get a cow to produce milk, she has to have a calf. The calf is taken away from her at a young age and the farmer milks her to keep her milk production going. So in a sense, it is very cruel and unnatural and distressing for the cow and the calf.
Similarly, many eggs come from 'battery farms', which are hideously cruel, not allowing the hen to move for her entire life.
The production of Christmas Turkeys is also extremely sad. I got a pet turkey when I was little, because I was weird. It was an almost full grown adult bird, and I had to teach it to walk, eat and drink. It was sad because they are lovely birds, and are actually quite affectionate.
Pigs are very intelligent animals, and often their lives and slaughter are very sad. They can lead miserable, frightening, painful and distressing lives before they are slaughtered and processed for human consumption.
That's not the reason I don't eat meat. If I did eat meat, I would probably stop eating meat because of that. But the reason I don't eat meat is because I think it's gross. But yes; most animals suffer to provide food for humans, especially in the most profitably-run farms, and you can't deny that.
On the other hand, lots of humans suffer for the coffee I'm drinking right now.
So, whatever.
Cows HAVE to be milked, if they don't have a calf. Otherwise they um.....lets just say they have to. No need to go into details. I agree with alot of what you say about cruelty to animals for profit of their food, but I have found a way around that. I have 2 pet hens, and am very kind to them, and they produce eggs almost daily, so they are eaten. I also live next to alot of people who own cows, so there are constant gifts of surplus milk. I totally understand that the animals have to be killed to be eaten, and I am OK with that. It happens with carnivores in nature also.
Of course, I completely understand how you can feel disgusted by meat. Certain vegetables have the same effect on me. I even have an aversion to mutton and veal.
So, whatever
QuoteCows HAVE to be milked, if they don't have a calf.
Man, how did they live without humans, eh?!!??
Think of human females. They only produce milk when having a child. They continue to produce milk while the child continues to breastfeed. When the child stops, milk production stops.
nien nien! I said when they don't have the calf.. If there were no humans, the calf would be drinking that milk! Ok, so we remove the calf from it's mother...ooh inhumanity.....stealing of infants..blah blah....fine, that is what we do. However the cow is not so intelligent. It would forget about the calf (unless it was removed before the weaning stage).
Have you ever been a cow?
Don't get me wrong, again. I mean, it's not something that bothers me much. But how often do humans make assumptions about the feelings of other animals and mammals and whatnot? Dolphins are amazingly intelligent! Birds are stupid. Cows are stupid. Meh. Goldfish have a memory span of three seconds.
How do we know this stuff? How do we really know that dolphins are wonderful creatures? How do we really know that birds only feed and rear their young from survival instinct rather than love? How do we really know that cows forget about their calves when they're taken away?
I had a cat. He was disabled, I'm not sure exactly what was wrong with him but he could never walk in a straight line. He was always wobbling about. I had him since he was a kitten, dying in a carpark. He was about two years old when we moved and left him with a relative.
TWO YEARS LATER I went back to that house and he darted across the yard and climbed straight on to my shoulder and started purring. He totally remembered me.
I also had a pet goat. He was going to be slaughtered at a few days old because that's what happens; the female goats have kids, the males are slaughtered and turned into Irish Drums and the females are reared to repeat the cycle. This guy escaped and I bought him from the farmer because I felt sorry for him. He became like a little dog. He followed me everywhere and he protected me from EVERYTHING, even non-dangers. He was AWESOME.
Over a year later I took him back on to the farm and his mother recognised him as her kid as a couple of days old. She was wary, but she came over to talk or whatever goats do. No other goat did.
We had pet lambs as well. The female used to really irritate the goat. He actually disliked her. He'd always butt her, but only whenever I wasn't around. Because he knew I hated that.
There's a lot more to animals like goats and cows and birds than people give them credit for. I guess it makes them feel better about eating them or something. To say that a cow forgets her calf is wrong. You don't know that. You've never been a cow and you can't ask the cow how she's feeling, so I guess we'll never know.
Quote from: Flamboyant PC Salesman on Tue 27/07/2004 00:35:24
Have you ever been a cow?
If someone would rub my nipples to the point of lactation I wouldnt mind.
Off topic story:
One time I went to a mainly vegetarian place for dinner. I saw a Turkey Burger on the menu.
Turkey Burger
Our delicious turkey burger with the finest free-range meat available. No hormones added. Comes with fresh lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, veganaise, and fries.
Read the preceeding paragraph carefully, and you will see what's odd about it.
Quote from: Zootyfruit on Mon 26/07/2004 23:01:41
I'm all for vegetarianism. Yay veggies. but vegans. thats just plain stupid. It hurts, it actually hurts, a cow if its not milked. The cow was not harmed. NObody was harmed. nothing. but you won't drink milk. most eggs do not contain baby chickens. yet you won't eat eggs.
one final point. yay vegetarianism.
Veganism is stupid? Why? Because you SAY SO? Holy shit.
Eggs? This is where most eggs come from:
(http://gnfc.org.uk/Images/batteryhens.jpg)
Is a little dignity and respect too much to ask? of course it is! They're just animals... lets throw thousands of them into little cages, so they can't even turn around, can't even sit down, can't even form their social groups.
Most free range eggs come from places like that. Free range eggs that don't... they chickens get abused for what we want them for (eggs) and once they've stopped laying... they kill them anyway. That's nice. How fucking greedy. It's all take, take, take. We've got everything we want from them... well, their lives are worthless now... lets just kill them. How about a little dignity?
(By the way, I have chickens in my backyard too, that roam free. Nothing wrong with using their eggs.)
Dairy cows suffer a lot of shit like you wouldn't imagine. It's not like some nice swedish girl goes out into the paddock, gives the cow a little pat, puts some milk in the bucket, and takes it back to the homestead... It's a bit more like a factory setting.
(http://www.4x4newzealand.co.nz/img/dairy-cows-on-turnstileplat.jpg).
Cows don't NEED to be milked. They need to be milked if they have a calf... by their calf, to FEED THEIR CALF. And you better bet there's trauma if a cows calf is taken away from her. How about a little dignity? OH wait. Nevermind. It's just a cow. Doesn't matter.
Actually, whether they have a calf or not, they'll continue to produce milk. They give them hormone shots so they will produce 10 times more milk than they would naturally and will do it without having had a calf. A lot of that, along with pus and a lot of antibodies that are slowly becoming less effective (because it's being given to you in your food when you don't need it) comes out in the milk. There have been few or no studies on the effects of these growth hormones on humans, so you're all human test subjects and you don't realize it. Go to notmilk.com.. even if you think that it's extremest to say that animals shouldn't be in factories, you should be able to realize why it's stupid to have a tradition of drinking cow milk in the first place. You know, we survived without it for a long time.. and the Orientals continue to do so with better health than us.
Animals are also given growth hormones so they will grow more meat and faster, so you're eating it in your meat too.
Yufster, you're normal and I'm not.
Canine teeth are NOT for biting meat/flesh and humans are NOT carnivores.
The proof (http://www.bizarro.com/vegan/vegan_carnivores.htm)
5 minutes of Googling, and I'm a bit smarter
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Mon 26/07/2004 03:12:06
People who don't eat meat scare me.
Boo!I'm a vegetarian, but If I did eat meat I wouldn't.
...If you see what I mean...
Many animals are farmed in a way that is unhealthy for the animals and for the people eating the meat at the end of the line.
At the moment I'm trying to find kinder/healthier alternatives to cows' milk (which I hate anyway) and chicken's eggs. I've heard ducks have to be happy to lay eggs, maybe I should eat duck eggs.
I just had ham, egg and chips. It was nice.
There are plenty of organic milks, free-range egss, etc. available if you're worried about hhow the animals are treated. I blame Disney for the rise in vegetarianism: all those cute cows, sheep, etc. COW AND SHEEP ARE NOT CUTE!
No doubt there will be a decline in fish consumption since Finding Nemo. That's actually a good thing given the terrible overfisihing that has been going on since they invented trawling. And you can get the Omega-3s you need from Walnuts....
Ali, I would recommend soy milk.
I used to drink lots of that when I was vegan.
And soy cheese.
Man, those things taste better than real milk and cheese.
I should go back to veganism.
Quote from: SSH on Tue 27/07/2004 14:10:45
COW AND SHEEP ARE NOT CUTE!
You're right! My family farm sheep in NW Scotland. The main reason I don't eat them is
I'm afraid of what they might do if they found out...Actually pet lambs are pretty cure, but more encrusted with poo than their cartoon counterparts.
Thanks for the food tips SSH and Highwaygal.
Quote from: Gankkizz on Tue 27/07/2004 07:18:40
Yufster, you're normal and I'm not.
Canine teeth are NOT for biting meat/flesh and humans are NOT carnivores.
The proof (http://www.bizarro.com/vegan/vegan_carnivores.htm)
5 minutes of Googling, and I'm a bit smarter
Do you get all your dietry advice from webcomic sites?
I've read various sources and spoken with dieticians -- some say we have teeth like a carnivore, some say we have teeth like a herbivore.
So what are we?
Who cares? I don't see why we should comform to our biological upbringing. Part of being human is to rise above that and make our own choices. So, whether or not we have carnivore or herbivore teeth, it's up to us to make our own decisions as to what we want to eat. And I don't think any scientific proof is going to make me eat less meat.
However, if my doctor says my arteries are clogged... :)
QuoteNo doubt there will be a decline in fish consumption since Finding Nemo. That's actually a good thing given the terrible overfisihing that has been going on since they invented trawling. And you can get the Omega-3s you need from Walnuts....
In other news, pork sales have jumped now that everyone has forgetten about Babe. Film at 11.
Are there any fructarians here, like in Notting Hill? "We only eat fruit that has naturally fallen from the tree" "So.... these carrots?" "Brutally murdered, yes" ;D
Err... uhhh... I... ahhh.... Horse and Hound!
I just read this thread and thought how it turned into what it is.
Anyway, I eat most things, plant or animal.
Chemically they all mix iin with each other, animal decomposion and excretion helps plants to grow and the plants contain minerals from animals, so vegetarians eat nutrients from flesh anyway. and its the same as plants helping animals to grow.
So when it comes down to it, if you're happy with what you're eating, eat it, if not don't.
as mentioed about hormones with animal products, the same thing happens with plant products,
it's probably best to grow organic veges and eat your pets but it's not practical for everyone. this worlds economy revolves around greed, so growing bigger plants and animals quicker, puts faster money in pockets.
I wonder if any of these things assist athlete's without directly taking drugs?
I only have one canine tooth. The other one never grew in.
So I'm having a bloody difficult time trying to decide whether I'm a carnivore or not.
I used to be a vegetarian. I was raised that way. Awhile back, though, I started wondering why I was a vegetarian. I failed to think of an answer, so I started eating meat.
EDIT:
Oh, and I just remembered this Vice City quote:
"We have canines and bicuspids for a reason. To open packages of potato chips."