Do you get angry over video games?
My housemate spends most evenings downstairs playing Gears of War and Tekken and all you can hear is him shouting "Fuck off!... Fuck off!... Fuck Sake man! Fucking stupid cunt!" And it's not just the odd one every few minutes. It's constant, over and over again for hours at a time, whole evenings in fact. Sometimes he gets really angry and you can hear him banging the sofa or something. Nothing tooo bad, no fists through walls or broken control pads... yet. But it's annoying and has been going on at least 4 nights a week since we moved in together in September. Some days are worse than others, like today, hence my writing this. Fuck knows what the neighbours must think.
I tell him he shouldn't play games if he doesn't enjoy them. He insists he enjoys it, but it doesn't sound like that. He must have some severe pent-up aggression going on. I'm not exactly the most laid back guy on the planet either, but compared to him I'm cool as The Fonz.
How about you guys? Do you let games wind you up this much?
I don't get angry at the games, not anymore, but I do get angry at the game developers. I keep noticing stuff that, at least in theory, should be easy to fix and avoid, but the game's developers keep rushing head first into all sorts of idiotic attempts at "balancing", "railroading" and "challenging" the gameplay/player in ways that should not be.
Let me give you an example of a time I got PISSED OFF at a game's developers.
Dead Island - The WHAM experience
The game starts, I try out the controls. Clicking the mouse makes my character punch and pressing E makes my character kick. So far so good.
Five minutes later the first enemy of the game appears, and NPC shouts "RUN!". I look ahead and think "meh, there's just two enemies, I can take 'em!". I ready myself, allow the enemies to approach and click the mouse. Nothing happens. I press the E key. Nothing happens.
The game's developers had decided for me that this was the point in the game where I was too scared to fight the enemies and that I was supposed to run away, so the only means of self defense the game had TAUGHT ME were disabled in order to ensure the plot of the game plays out the way the developers wanted it to be played out.
"FUCK THIS!" -I exclaimed and pressed the fabled ALT + F4 combination of keys. Then I played something less irritating.
(To clarify, I am not pissed off about the game wanting to take this direction, I am more pissed off at how it was done. If they could disable my attacks like that, why not make them ineffective until I am actually allowed to use them? The protagonist of the game starts with a hangover, why not make him/her stumble a bit and make the attacks uselessly weak, with the character SHOWING his/her unfit condition near the start, so I KNOW I don't have any means to defend myself until the game tells me the character is good to go?)
When I was a kid I could get furious when losing/dying haha. These days not so much...it depends actually. If I'm SOOO close to beat a boss or whatever and die and have to replay a large part of the game I can really get pissed off. Oh and when me and my best friend played Tekken and NHL back in the PS1 days we would get really mad at each other. He almost always won in NHL and I hated him for it...Then I kicked his ass in Tekken and he hated me for that haha...Ahh fond memories :grin:
Usually the more I curse, the more I'm invested in the game :D.
Just ask anybody who was around while I was playing through Rayman Origins :D.
Seriously, though, I get quite involved in games, and like to let out my frustration when I'm not good at a certain bit. Doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it!
The Descent 2 "THUG" robot. Oh man, I hated that thing. It would sit there in the dark, then sneak up on me, steal some good equipment and dash away. Had a shitload of hitpoints, very good dodging skills, and usually invited me to a chase that would just leave me vulnerable to attacks from all those other bots in the mine.
And that NOISE, that dull "wib wib" that could've been straight out of Buck Rodgers!
Yes I hated that thing. But I saw that as a strength of the game, actually, to create a simple AI that was somehow able to pull all my levers. When a game manages to annoy/vex/challenge me with some clever design bit, I rather enjoy the challenge.
I think the last time I was angry with a game it was Deus ex 3. I played through the entire tedious last half of the game expecting it to improve, and all I got was a plot twist worth of M night shyamalan and a 'choose your ending' machine. I didn't even bother reloading to see the different end sequences.
I get angry at annoying character design too. Everytime I replay BG2 I murder the annoying characters (Minsc, Aerie, etc) as soon as they've served their purpose, even if I'm playing a 'good' character.
Quote from: Victor6 on Fri 25/05/2012 10:45:57
...I murder the annoying characters (Minsc, Aerie, etc)
How... How could you!? Think of Boo! Think of the poor innocent little space-hampster! What will Boo do without Minsc? :~(
Quote from: Victor6 on Fri 25/05/2012 10:45:57
I get angry at annoying character design too. Everytime I replay BG2 I murder the annoying characters (Minsc, Aerie, etc) as soon as they've served their purpose, even if I'm playing a 'good' character.
Okay, I got annoyed at Aerie's constant emotional infodumps but man, that's some way to react! :shocked:
'Comedy' characters are always in danger of becoming annoying in long games, particularly if they repeat the same 4-5 lines of 'action' dialogue.
Minsc (and Boo) were entertaining in the first game because he shut the hell up most of the time, and more importantly because Dynaheir existed. In the second game, he's a walking Lilarcor. It's like hearing a funny joke again, and again, and again. I'm sure Boo is fine. He can eat the remains of Minsc.
'Emo' characters have a similar problem, you get sick of putting up with them, particularly on a replay. Aerie is gifted with some phenomenally irritating long-winded 'action' quotes, and a complete lack of timing. - I don't care about your wing stumps Aerie, 'cos the rest of us are getting ready to fight that dragon....
Don't get me started on 'creepy' Jaheria, or 'fanservice' Virconia.....
Quote from: Ghost on Fri 25/05/2012 09:19:54
The Descent 2 "THUG" robot. Oh man, I hated that thing.
Ah, but it's
very satisfying to have it trapped in a corner and pound it to dust with quad lasers :grin:
Quote from: Victor6 on Fri 25/05/2012 11:37:00
'Comedy' characters are always in danger of becoming annoying in long games, particularly if they repeat the same 4-5 lines of 'action' dialogue.
Yes, but you realize you can just ask them to leave your party, right? :-D
Quote from: WHAM on Fri 25/05/2012 07:19:35
I don't get angry at the games, not anymore, but I do get angry at the game developers.
That's true with me too. I still get upset when I can't beat something, but most of my anger is because of something that could have been fixed on development side.
One I remember as a kid. Every single time in Link's Awakening that you would pick up an Acorn or triangle piece which increased your strength and stuff. You'd get the unskippable message "You've found a defense acorn [etc etc etc]". I used to get so angry every time I would find one.
Same with the N64 Zelda game. Ocarina of Time. That blasted fairy that follows you around "Look" "Look" "Listen" "Listen" "Over here" "Look" oh... my... god...
Then there was the ending of Dead Space 2. Where you had to fight that memory and everything was so blurry and distorted it was so hard to see what was going on. I played on the hardest difficulty (not the very last difficulty that only allows so many saved games or loads). I probably played it 30-40 times before I finally beat it. I actually had to return to a previous save, buy a shit ton of ammo and health packs, and then once again do that run through that gigantic swarm of enemies before getting to the statue. I was very frustrated. But that was the only spot in the whole game that completely pissed me off. Well.. actually that's wrong. I got frustrated in the zero-G areas because I couldn't rotate the camera along the Z axis (I believe that's the Z axis). The only option was to press the paddle that aligns your feet to ground. It was terrible for that. Why not hold the paddle and have it allow you to rotate.
So yes, I'm the same as Ben. I usually only get upset on games I enjoy. Anything else I usually just shut off and never touch again.
Quote from: PONYHEAD on Fri 25/05/2012 14:28:59
Yes, but you realize you can just ask them to leave your party, right? :-D
It's too late for that, I've played too many times to just let them off with a kick. Plus killing Minsc is like stabbing one of the designers (hopefully the guy who did the inventory art ).
Street Fighter IV:
Mostly for other human players. Those crazy, twisted people are counting frames and damage percentage, worked out insanse schematics for combos and basically totally perverted what should be two 60-second matches of people bashing buttons.
Arcade fighting games should be fun, not insane mathematical ballet. Also, every capcom game ever turns into a projectile battle, where you can pin your opponent down by doing million dumb fireballs which shouldn't be in the game to begin with.
Same goes for chopper/jet pilots in Battlefield 4: There are some crazy people out there boasting $4000 set of trackIRs, high-end joysticks, pedals etc flying peripherals just to fly - no- not in a precise simulator - but in a lousy first person shooter. Well, fine, but it totally ruins the game for everyone trying to compete with mouse+keyboard like a normal person.
Sure, mastery at something is nice. But what about people who don't want to invest months and years into game to learn it? Actually, I'm fed up with multiplayer games. When will single-player come back? *khm*half-life3*khm*
Thinking about this, I'm not really raging about games, like ever. It's always the human factor that ruins the experience. That, and quick-time events. Ruined Fahreinheit: Indigo Child for me.
Quote from: Radiant on Fri 25/05/2012 13:55:30
Quote from: Ghost on Fri 25/05/2012 09:19:54
The Descent 2 "THUG" robot. Oh man, I hated that thing.
Ah, but it's very satisfying to have it trapped in a corner and pound it to dust with quad lasers :grin:
Absolutely! (laugh)
Yesterday I played the DayZ-Mod (Arma2) for the first time... oh those past memories of raging amiga me ;)
At first no servers let me connect, then a zombie bit me and I was bleeding. And of course I didn't know how to bandage myself, so I read it up in the manual. But you can't pause the game so I bled out, died and respawned somewhere else and got shot.
RRRAAAGGGEEEE, I tell you! For the first time in years. Still I mysteriously had fun.
The last game I had to stop playing because I just got so angry and I was pretty much screaming fuckasscuntbitch and other nice words like that all of the time was Quake Live. It's crazy fast and sooo twitchy.
Nice game in theory, just that in practice I suck at it. One match I lost so badly I became bored and killed myself like a 100 times by jumping into the lava. I had -100 frags. I felt better. It did hurt the statistics of my player account though ... I don't remember Quake 3 or other shooters being so out of my reach. I did manage to get first place in a few rounds (7 out of ~40 to be precise) and that was really exciting. I mean getting the last winning frag in the last second basically. These games were hectic to say the least.
A friends of mine play Heroes of Newerth (HoN) alot. Tried to pull me into game. Fun, social game and what else.
This is basically a real-time strategy without buildings and units, every player has single warcraft3-style-hero-type unit which aquires skills over levelling.
And it's horrible, horrible game to learn. Players were such an a-holes, they started immediately flaming and quitting midpoint in every game when my character wasn't as high level as everyone else. It's mathematical game alright, if a team member falls behind in levelling, defeat for this side is quite likely, but such acting is outrageous and how the hell are you supposed to learn?
It's not like people born with game skills, you gotta play it to learn it. But noo--'
After 10 or so tries (even though I specifically picked servers that were labelled as "newbie friendly, noobs welcome" - they were NOT) I simply gave up.
I will never play any DotA clone again. Fun, social game my arse.
I'll never forget fighting Arnold in Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (Fist mode). I've never defeated him in hand-to-hand combat to this day, but on my first playthrough I didn't realize there's a hidden puzzle to kill him and I tried. And I tried. And I tried. And all you could hear from my computer room was: "Yes! Yes! Yes! ... FUUUCK!" Good memories.
Quote from: Victor6 on Fri 25/05/2012 10:45:57
I get angry at annoying character design too. Everytime I replay BG2 I murder the annoying characters (Minsc, Aerie, etc) as soon as they've served their purpose, even if I'm playing a 'good' character.
Minsc (along with Korgan, Viconia and Edwin) is one of characters I usually have in my party. Aerie, I hate. To the point of romancing with her just to get her vampirized by Bohdi and leaving her carcass in some dump.
And while replaying Planescape: Torment I'm always tempted to kill Vhalior - by making him doubt his belives for super-good character, in hand-to-hand combat for any other character.
I've been playing a rom hack lately for Super Metroid. It's called Super Metroid Redesign and while it is amazing, some of the power bomb expansions and missile expansions are extremely difficult to get, usually requiring some tricks to get.
Therefore, I've been throwing f-bombs for the past hour trying to get a single missile expansion. :-X
super meat boy. I hate/love this game ;)
that is for difficulty reasons, seems like I avoid badly designed games somehow (except for OSD...)
Trackmania. Ever single time I make an avoidable screwup I'll throw up my hands and go "fuck this!".
I love that game.
When I was a kid I used to get FURIOUS at video games! Mostly towards [losing at] sports games. I did get angry, as a few have mentioned in here, when I felt that a game had a design flaw that made playing difficult/annoying. The tipping point for me was ~1997. I was playing 1080 Snowboarding on the N64... I knew exactly how to pull off the move but now matter how deftly I moved my fingers and perfected the timing it was 1 out 5 times it would actually work and pull-off the move. There was one night I got so furious I tore the cart out of the console and threw it on the ground. I grabbed a hammer (not sure why there was a hammer in the room but there was) and smashed the cart into tiny pieces. I felt a proper fool after having done it and didn't touch another video game (except Tetris on my GBA) for over 6 years. When I got back into games in 2003 (around the time I stumbled on AGS) I realized my "temper" had completely changed. I still get irritated at games but now if I feel my temper rising I simply walk away.
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 27/05/2012 18:28:05I grabbed a hammer (not sure why there was a hammer in the room but there was)
Life is an adventure game, Darth! There's always hammers!
Interestingly, a friend of mine had to buy BattleToads three times because he had a similar reaction to the infamous Hoverbike section. I just watched him. It was great entertainment and did a lot for my vocabulary... :)
Playing StarCraft (Brood War or Wings of Liberty) competitively, you get a ton of this:
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I myself get frustrated playing the game but I never express it physically (punching walls, the desk, the headset, the keyboard or anything) and I never insult my opponents. With competitive games that feature asymmetrical balance (different classes in RPGs or FPSs with custom equipment or different races with different units in RTSs), getting angry and frustrated at the game's balance is pretty common I guess.
That Starcraft post made me think of Team Fortress 2. It's taken me a long time to get good at that game, but often if I top score I get mocked on the class I'm playing. It seems to me that out of the NINE classes available there are very few that are acceptable to the elitists to play. Medics = no work and easy points, Soldiers = spam, Heavy = more spam, Sniper = not helping team, Engineer = camping + grind, Pyro = no skill. So Demoman, Spy and Scout (providing you're not using the 'noob gun' which I like as scout) are the only acceptable classes. Sigh.
On topic, though Team Fortress 2 makes me rage quite a bit. More often than not, though, at my own team rather than the enemy. Rather than the game becoming more fun as I got better, it's become more frustrating as I notice the large amount of rookie mistakes that get made that regularly cost us a round. Simple things like SHOOT THE GUY WITH THE F*&^ING INTEL!!! I'M A MEDIC ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP! WHY IS IT MY JOB TO KILL HIM??? Really, multiplayer kinda sucks. I only play the game because my computer is so buggy it basically can't run anything else...
Previous rages... playing the original Call of Duty recently.. that game has aged badly. Although massively hyped at the time the friendly AI is god-awful. What made me snap and put on God mode after trudging through over a dozen missions on the hard difficulty (I know saying a CoD game is difficult now will elicit laughter but the original was legitimately tough) was a mission with the Russians where you have a full squad and need to clear out and then defend a large office building in a massed assault. Now, what made this difficult were not the nazis, who by this stage are easy enough to deal with. But my own squad. Who are constantly getting stuck in doorways, facing walls while they get shot in the back. Standing right behind me when I need to get out of the way of a grenade. Never calling out when they see an enemy. Never actually doing anything to hold a position or co-ordinate. Ahh!
When I think about it, I usually don't rage about difficulty (but I have quite a bit) but more often game design. I raged at an adventure game, in fact (Runaway. God damn that game and it's retarded puzzles) and Knights of the Old Republic at those awful final Star Forge levels where you endlessly go between one massive room filled with 20 heavy troopers and another, and the pathfinding on Carth completely failed making me yell "YOU WANNA STAND NEXT TO ME, YA C*%#?!?" Also, Assassin's Creed Revelations where they made the task of obtaining a guard's uniform unusually strict in how it was to be achieved for the series..
I definitely don't like raging, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying a game when all is said and done. Oddly enough I'm not sure I raged during the most difficult game I ever played (Iron Storm) but I did several times during the much less taxing Deus Ex: Human Revolution - I think because the promise of playing the game the way you want to only goes so far when I seem to be getting ambushed by masses of armed soldiers every five minutes toward the end of the game...
On the subject of dumb AI, I recently played through Medal of Honor: Airborne, and found that the best way to get a perfect shot was:
-Line up enemy soldier
-Watch squadmate run right in front of my iron sight/scope
-Wait for him to get killed for standing in a stupid position by the guy I was a second away from shooting
-Pull the trigger at my once more clear target
Went through the entire game employing this tactic. No idea how many squadmates I could have saved if they'd just waited 2 seconds for me to take my shot before running *exactly* where I didn't want them.
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 27/05/2012 18:28:05
I was playing 1080 Snowboarding on the N64...
Ah, the N64. It had the last truly great console control pad (except for that fiddly little stick on the top). I've hated every control pad since.
http://youtu.be/aGlVtNXLMmA
This guy is funny.
WOW! - He did about 600 fu***ing attemps?? 8-0
Therefor he is an admirably quiet person (laugh)
since we're at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QxLpS3aIM
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the master of game rage :)
I used to get really pissed off while playing Mario Kart Wii online. Mainly because of hackers and people who I just CANNOT beat. I don't let it bother me anymore and now I enjoy it a hell of a lot better. It helps to imagine being filmed racing and imagine being a commentator and such. It's much more fun that way.
I also, as a kid, used to get iritated at various NES games, but nothing too intense. My friend would do this whipping action with the controller and make a big wave in the wire almost unplugging it and yell at the tv. Gah.
Some people are very vocal when they play games, but I'm the total opposite. My friends often scream and shout with joy, amazement and frustration - sometimes I even feel a bit bad that for some reason I'm not acting as 'excited' as others. The only rage I suffer is when my PC does something annoying, but no - games have never gotten me angry. TV, movies and games do have a psychological effect on me, but I'm capable of controlling them. I've noticed it's friends who are easily amazed at usually mundane things in life that get over-excited at video games. I presume they just have active imaginations ;) But yeah, if I even start to get annoyed with a game, I just turn it off. I only play for fun, not for getting annoyed! I can't think of a single game I've raged at - maybe one, once, I think it was a sniper type game on Xbox 360. But that was just the old "trying to pass one point on one level over and over" type moments. I usually realize that if I turn it off, new solutions on how to beat that part of the game will come to me. Far more than getting angry ever would.. And that has always paid off. Interesting topic though Stu!
Oh, and yeah. Some console gamers become pretty scary people when they're playing games. It's not always nice to be around!
Here, m0ds, check your temp with this (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=33682.0). It's sure to frustrate anyone ;)
Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tgxQ_w7s0) a video of me playing it on the final stages.
Mods, don't play that game. No one plays that game. (laugh)
I usually vent my game frustration in-game. Occasionally (like when I'm trying to do specific segment and I keep dying), I rage out and instead of sneaking and potioning and setting up spells or whatever, I just run up to the boss (who usually has some high-health drain melee attack) and continuously blast things. Sometimes it works!
Actual raging was more done by me when I had a much crappier computer. Things would sometimes work, sometimes not, sometimes hang and quit the game for no reason, sometimes I'd get the bluescreen, sometimes restarting would cause it to hang during the booting up.
I used to alternately smack my computer casing while yelling at it and caress it while saying "Please, just this once don't hang! LET it work! Let me get past this bit at least!", and make promises to it, which I then didn't keep. :P
Quote from: abstauber on Tue 29/05/2012 19:00:17
since we're at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2QxLpS3aIM
Holy sh*t, that's just plain hilarious! ;-D
The Game was Alice: Madness Returns. The game sure fits its name. It was so damn frustrating on the majority of platforming parts that I was swearing like a drunken sailor.
Well, ejected the game from my Xbox360 snapped the DVD in two while cursing at it and the manual while tossing it into the garbage. (I destroyed the case also)
That has been the most angry I have ever felt towards a video game. Madness had returned.
Domino
Kick Off 2!!!!! I spent many hours playing that game as a youth, but man did it make me mad with its cheating! Especially when their keeper was superhuman and our keeper decided to have a nap while the ball rolled slowly in from an impossible angle.
Quote from: Ryan Timothy on Wed 30/05/2012 19:24:45
Mods, don't play that game. No one plays that game. (laugh)
LOL
You've made my day there, Ryan XD
But seriously, though, he's right. And I don't fucking blame 'em!!1! It's complete ASS!