Global Warming? I say Volcano...

[LordHart]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2004-163

Just came across this rather interesting article, and I started thinking, are we really the ones causing the polar ice caps to melt or is it because of this volcanic activity? After all the blame the last few generations have been putting on ourselves, it could be mother nature all along.

The article itself talks mostly about the fact that the automated satelite captured the images, rather than talk about the large amounts of lava seeping through the ice and rock at Antarticas Mt Erebus... but meh, thats not really that big of news...

[Evil]

Well a huge volcanic eruption caused the plagues of Egypt. And it didnt harm the enviornment much. Maybe I can find an article.

[shbaz]

Well a huge volcanic eruption caused the plagues of Egypt. And it didnt harm the enviornment much. Maybe I can find an article.

He's not talking about local warming Evil.

[Evil]

No, seriously. There was a large volcanic eruption of the coast of Italy. Remember "And the skys blackened and everything was dark"? That was huge ammounts of ash cloud above Egypt. Keep in mind this is a volcano from Italy. There are traces of it everywhere. The change in light shifted animal patterns hence the animals and bugs. And the Nile turing to blood was large amounts of fish changing area and dying in transaction. Seas parting you say? Well, the volcano sent a massive shock wave starting a huge wave to form. Ever been to the ocean? Notice how the water falls back down and then the wave hits. Thats exactly what happened. The water from the Reed Sea fell and then the wave hit in time to smash up the Pharohs men. I know theres an article on this somewhere.

Anyway, my point is, is that the climate change shifted animal patterns for a month or so. And we havent learned about this for many years. Doesnt seem to be that much of an effect, does there?

[LordHart]

You're talking about Krakatoa...

[Mr_Frisby]

No sorry - it was me - I left the heater on all night last night - now look what happens. :

[Nacho]

The biblical volcanic eruption seems to have been in Santorini, the same of Fate of Atlantis.

Krakatoa explassion happened in the XIXth C, not a very biblical period, I think.

[LordHart]

What ami I thinking then? Mt Vesuvias? Mt St Helens?

Reminds me about a documentary on Moses one time. And showed that the translation of Hebrew to English was wrong for the bible, as the word that describes the Red sea, is actually the Reed Sea, and the Reed Sea was affected by the volcano erupting that Evil said.

It caused the water to drain from the sea to cause it to become walkable, and shortly after filled in again. Other parts of the Egyptian plagues were also caused by the volcano erupting as well.

[Nacho]

The most dangerous volcanic zone in Earth is the Yellowstone park zone, where Yogui is. It is supposed to make a hole in the earth of the size of Manhattan if explodes, and it could be a serious thread for many forms of life in Earth, as the ash cloud would cover the whole planet.

I hope that does not happen... We have enough to blame to the americans now, apparently! 

[shbaz]

Nothing any of you have said has discounted that there is a possibility that volcano eruptions are contributing to global warming and the greenhouse effect. You say the volcano didn't seem to affect the environment? So there isn't global warming? I don't know what you're trying to get at.

[LordHart]

What I was pointing out was that a volcano is on a land masse made mostly of ice... I don't know if you realise, but ice doesn't go too well with fire.

[Nacho]

There are a million of things that can make the world go wrong for focusing in one in particular, IMO.

[Timosity]

The earth goes through cycles and various weather patterns that we have no control over.

we may contribute slightly, maybe speed things up but really not as noticable as some people try to make out.

I still think we should take better care of our environment, but it's more likely to be caused from natural things like volcanos or even more likely by a large meteorite, asteroid, or comet.

one of those large pieces of rock hits the earth, it will send enough dust into the atmosphere to block out the sun long enough to cause major climate changes in much shorter time.

and that's is what some theorists think caused previous ice ages.


When it happens, it will happen much quicker than we think, with no time to adjust, just like in that recent movie. (in theory, what happened in that movie is a possibility too)

but we do need to start thinking about future generations, unlike our parents before us. (and not just our kids and grand kids, much further [but mother nature will probably get us before we get ourselves])

edit: and that's if we don't start using nuclear weapons anytime soon

[Raggit]

Well a huge volcanic eruption caused the plagues of Egypt. And it didnt harm the enviornment much. Maybe I can find an article.

"And the Lord said to Moses, 'Say to Aaron, take your rod and stretch out your hand over the waters of Egypt, over their streams, over their ponds, and over their pools of water, that they may become blood. And, there shall be blood throughout the land of Egypt, both in buckets of wood and pitchers of stone."--Exodus 7:19.Ã, 

And how can a volcano cause all the first borns of Egypt to die unless there was lamb's blood on the doorpost.Ã, 

And I don't think that a shockwave could actually seperate the water long enough for the children of Isreal to cross and the suddenly drown the Egyptions once they went through: "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land and the waters were divided.Ã,  So the children of Isreal went into the midst of the sea, on the dry ground and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left." Exodus 14:21-22

[H Man unplugged]

Thanks Raggit, I'm not alone.

Of course, God can use 'natural' disasters and events to His own uses.  They have discovered an effect they dubbed the "moses effect," the fact that water is diamagnetic (if a strong magnetic field is effected on a body of water, it repels the water)  Who knows what kind of forces of nature God could use to make things happen.  He doesn't break His own rules, even physics.  He uses them instead.  Miracles are nothing more than natural events set in motion at the correct time for their effects to have positive results.

On the original point, I agree that people need to worry about our effects on the earth, but we also need to see that we may not be able to STOP the world from changing, whether it is caused by us or not.  There will come a time when the human family will have to leave our world for another, or many others.  Our sun will die someday, barring any other natural disaster before then.  Hopefully by then we will have populated other worlds with our kind and the life from earth, and nothing will really be lost.

[Nacho]

The Santorini eruption just explains the "The day turned into night" thingie.

About all the rest... you can trust in words written 3,000 years ago like if they were transcripted with stenographer, but I preffer to believe that they were just natural facts enhaced by the imagination of a writer with the intention to write an epic history.

[Blackthorne]

And how can a volcano cause all the first borns of Egypt to die unless there was lamb's blood on the doorpost.Ã, 

Cause it's all a big freaking myth!  All the stuff is a big collection of freaking myths.  It has as much credibility as Perseus and the Gorgons, Prometheus and Fire, Shiva and Krishna.........etc.

[shbaz]

Look, shutup about the religous bunk. Don't you guys like adventure games? Me too!

[LordHart]

Shbaz, you are going off topic... 

[Pesty]

No, seriously. There was a large volcanic eruption of the coast of Italy. Remember "And the skys blackened and everything was dark"? That was huge ammounts of ash cloud above Egypt. Keep in mind this is a volcano from Italy. There are traces of it everywhere. The change in light shifted animal patterns hence the animals and bugs. And the Nile turing to blood was large amounts of fish changing area and dying in transaction. Seas parting you say? Well, the volcano sent a massive shock wave starting a huge wave to form. Ever been to the ocean? Notice how the water falls back down and then the wave hits. Thats exactly what happened. The water from the Reed Sea fell and then the wave hit in time to smash up the Pharohs men. I know theres an article on this somewhere.

Anyway, my point is, is that the climate change shifted animal patterns for a month or so. And we havent learned about this for many years. Doesnt seem to be that much of an effect, does there?

Actually, the volcano theory of the biblical plagues says that the red "blood" water was caused by some mineral carried through the smoke from the volcano. It was something like sulfur, but it's been a while since I saw the show about it so I can't quite remember. I'd have to see it again.