http://wave.google.com/ (http://wave.google.com/)
What you guys think?
I don't know what else to say. I think this is amazing and could change the whole internet. I'm actually really excited to see what this is going to turn into, 'cause I can think of some awesome ideas, but I'm sure the web geniuses will come up with even better ideas.
oh geez. 1:20 ? I'll watch it later.
When I heard "Google Wave - a new communication tool" I said, "hmmm, wave, firefly, communication... I wonder??" Then I watched the video and within 15 minutes they used the expression "shiny" and then when they experience a crash it says "Ahhh ... curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" The entire thing is a big Firefly reference and for that alone I'll use it!
That being said...
I watched the entire video (the other day) and I have to say I agree. This really could totally revolutionize not only "email" but the web in general. I think if there's one company/entity that has the clout to pull something like this off, it's Google. I don't see it happening over night, but I'm on board and can't wait to see where this goes!
I haven't yet watched the entire thing, but:
- so far the revolutionary "thing" is that they combined everything that already existed (mail, pms, forum and instant messaging, facebook)
- I'm not exactly sure how this will work when a few hundred milions of people (not to metnion if some spiders come in there and start posting at random) connect to it - just think 50 blogs being updated at the same time while the same server has pics, e-mails, entire conversation pasts, entire chess games, that's really a lot of code and general files (pics, video, maps etc.)
- and what the hell - "now I see this on my pc" and then clapping, uuu I see something that you have on your pc on my pc...clap away. I know I'm simplifying but still, you have to admit it's bit silly. :P
- the colaboration thing is the only good/useful thing so far, well unless people that work together go to their actual job place and meet there
- that spell checker might get annoying, especially for nonenglish conversations
- might have a good oportunity for user created "gadgets", I like that translation add-on at the end
I watched this the other day.
It's pretty damn impressive.
I can't wait to give it a bash.
I like it!
Will definatly use it and integrate my future projects into it!
Meh. I didn't get to watch the video yet (curse you, crappy university PCs!), but from the descriptions on that website, it sounds like a super-glorified crossover of blog and the ICQ chat client. Sort of neat, I suppose, if they can get it working properly. I don't think I'll be needing and/or using it, though.
(Plus... if you really use it as your only "internet communication tool", there's quite a lot of data about you there... and a (black) market for personal information isn't unheard of, just as quite a few people good with circumventing security measures and data mining... clustering that much of your personal data together just sort of strikes me as making things unneccesarily easy for these guys. Then again, it's probably just paranoia, or sor of phobia of all things Google (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=35457.msg464858#msg464858), and the biggest threat from that thing is better focused advertising.)
A perfect example of the fact, that the only important thing is not hyper-advanced code and looks, but ideas of functionality.
I definitely like it, mainly because you don't have to have hundreds of accounts in different networks. I don't know how well it turns out when released though, I don't know if I will even use it. But hey, it's one very powerful idea.
Not being willing to decipher the corporate-speak of the Wikipedia page, nor having the endurance to watch the video, can some kindly person summarise why we should be excited about a social networking site from Google?
Think of Google Talk combined with Google Documents combined with MySpace/FaceBook combined with Blogger combined with Wikipedia combined with a web forum and you're starting to get the idea. Each sub-section of the Wave isn't in and of itself an incredible, awe-inspiring, original idea. However, watching the video I think it's definitely a very interesting concept which properly implemented could genuinely revolutionize the way we use the web.
I'm not saying it's the most awesomest thing ever created ever, but I do find it very interesting and, hey, I'd use it. :D
You forgot the very important real-time-typing IM feature ;D
I fail to become excited because all of those things already exist and I don't really use any of them (apart from forums and IM). To me they already were in one place, the Internet. Having them linked on one site doesn't really seem useful. Still, to someone who actually uses any of those things, maybe they'll find it convenient to only need one tab open.
Quote from: Buckethead on Sun 31/05/2009 22:12:17
oh geez. 1:20 ? I'll watch it later.
I watched 30mins. It covered enough for me. I got bored after that.
It's a bit gimmicky, more than its useful. Yeah it makes some things a lot simpler, but it makes other things much more complicated. For example when your drunk and typing messages to people, and don't realise its going to them in "real time". Theres a reason theres a send button on msn, just like theres a reason for the "post" and "preview" buttons on this forum.
QuoteTheres a reason theres a send button on msn, just like theres a reason for the "post" and "preview" buttons on this forum.
But there is also a button to prevent the real-time typing.
Anyway, I think this will destroy Facebook completely (just as long as the friends search is similar to Facebook. I can only imagine it is).
That makes me think.....what Facebook will come up with to save itself?
It will close, sell all those photo's you uploaded, to advertising companies, like it planned to do originally, and live off the profits happily ever after.
No, Facebook will get a wave API and get plugged in to the whole thing. Thus allowing people on Facebook to communicate with all the people on Wave, thus enabling them to communicate with all the people on about anything else plugged into Wave. What will Facebook lose? I don't know. But it might stop losing users on the grounds of people going where their friends are for example, even if that's a marginal group. Seems to me that the point is you don't need to move to Wave, you can just connect your current stuff to it. Sounds good enough.
Indeed, if this thing turns out what it's promised to be and picks up proper I suppose it'll more or less revolutionise communication. I know for one I'd love to have all my contacts in one place in a manageable form instead of having to use a half a dozen applications and visit a dozen pages just get a heads up on what the few people I'm interested in are doing. Ofcource too much at one place is too much, so there's always the chance the whole thing getting too crowded. But I have a feeling they'll work around that in a way or another.
I think part of the point is they want people like facebook to take their APIs/Protocols and use them to develop their system further, so this is likely what will happen.
Looks like balls to me. Merging things into one isn't new, big or innovative.
In fact it's getting progressively boring for me.
I read the Wiki, and watched some of the video, but the yawn factor got to me real quick.
If the fact "forum threads" become "real time chat" is their major selling point...then.......gaaay!
I liked it at first. e-mail/im/forum. Cool?
Then i thought about how would this make a revolution in the glorious art of spam.
I don't like it so much anymore.
Quote from: InCreator on Wed 03/06/2009 18:10:10Then i thought about how would this make a revolution in the glorious art of spam.
I don't like it so much anymore.
Actually I see it as the perfect way to get
rid of spam.
This isn't an upgrade to email. It's an entirely new electronic communication medium and if there is one thing Google knows how to do it's prevent spam. In the many years I've been using Gmail I can count on one (maybe two) hands the number of Spam emails that have actually made it into my inbox. This is the next [r]evolution. I am no longer wondering why Gmail never came out of BETA.
The nay-saying new technology bandwagon is fun and easy to jump on ... but I really think this thing is going to be huge. If I'm wrong I'll admit it but I'm not worried about being wrong on this one.
I don't mean so much nigerian "business offers" here but amount of reading to do overall.
But It's quite personal on my case too, over years, I grew somewhat tired of the internet. I get average of 20 e-mails a day, not counting IM, forum reading, etc.
Anything that will make "communication easier and quicker than ever" means usually simply more communication. Sounds fun and modern yeah. But imagine if it was still 1800's and you simply got all of this by snail mail. 20 letters a day?
Doesn't sound very fun, yet we're somewhat used to it electronically, and consider this normal.
I'm kind of running out of excuses to actually leave the house...
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Wed 03/06/2009 18:32:26
Actually I see it as the perfect way to get rid of spam.
This isn't an upgrade to email. It's an entirely new electronic communication medium and if there is one thing Google knows how to do it's prevent spam. In the many years I've been using Gmail I can count on one (maybe two) hands the number of Spam emails that have actually made it into my inbox. This is the next [r]evolution. I am no longer wondering why Gmail never came out of BETA.
I envy your boundless optimism. If this really becomes the Next Big Thing (TM) and manages to reach its lofty goal - eclipsing all other means of communication, basically - do you really think Google can keep outsmarting spammers? If there's money involved, and if the system has been stated to be "absolutely immune to attacks", somebody
will find a way to circumvent it - just look at captchas. Right now, we're not seeing too much spam because there's too many different systems that each require their own spamming methods, security measure cirumventions etc. Wave would change that, were it to become common enough. Google has some good programmers, but I doubt they'll manage to stay ahead of the spammers for long.
Plus, don't forget that Google "spams" ads, too. That's how they earn their money.
As I said, maybe I'm just a grumpy old war veteran already (at age 18 no less :P), but I don't think this is the Second Coming it's made out to be.
/EDIT: Plus, I find it pretty funny how Google is starting to resemble early Microsoft. Pretty much total hegemony over an important market, to the point that the product is becoming synonymous with the product
category? Check. Hiring young talent, especially programmers? Check. Privacy concerns don't even make the priority list? Check. Ambitions to revolutionise entire markets, even outside the "core"? Check. Attacking established companies with similar-but-slightly-changed products? Check. Seriously, outside of PR (and, well, products), they're hardly different.
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 09:25:17
Wave would change that, were it to become common enough. Google has some good programmers, but I doubt they'll manage to stay ahead of the spammers for long.
Well, part of the point isn't that they're making some big website for everyone to use - they are making this an open protocol which developers can go and make their own wave-like systems (not just embedding from the "official" google wave system). Plus, most of google's systems (including translating, filtering etc) work by statistics, so a large number of people using their service means a large amount of data which means further refined systems. I think they might have a chance against spam - unless, heaven forbid, spam bots become coherent - then we're all screwed.
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 09:25:17
Plus, don't forget that Google "spams" ads, too. That's how they earn their money.
Yeah small text adverts annoy the crap out of me too.
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 09:25:17
As I said, maybe I'm just a grumpy old war veteran already (at age 18 no less :P)
:D
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 09:25:17
/EDIT: Plus, I find it pretty funny how Google is starting to resemble early Microsoft. Pretty much total hegemony over an important market, to the point that the product is becoming synonymous with the product category? Check. Hiring young talent, especially programmers? Check. Privacy concerns don't even make the priority list? Check. Ambitions to revolutionise entire markets, even outside the "core"? Check. Attacking established companies with similar-but-slightly-changed products? Check. Seriously, outside of PR (and, well, products), they're hardly different.
Hiring promising employees, going for a market share? Its almost like its a business!
I'm getting gradually less intrigued by the brand new communication/networking systems. It's like everyone has this urge to be online everywhere, all the time, to read and share everything at once, to be in perpetual contact with everyone you know, and everyone they know, and get updated in real time about everyone's opinions and moods and states and emoticons or whatnot.
Is it really our ambition to develop a hive mind? Is that our destiny as humans?
Leave your laptop at home, turn off your mobile phone and go for a long solitary walk. It's bound to do you good.
Quote from: Hotspot on Thu 04/06/2009 10:32:50
Well, part of the point isn't that they're making some big website for everyone to use - they are making this an open protocol which developers can go and make their own wave-like systems (not just embedding from the "official" google wave system). Plus, most of google's systems (including translating, filtering etc) work by statistics, so a large number of people using their service means a large amount of data which means further refined systems. I think they might have a chance against spam - unless, heaven forbid, spam bots become coherent - then we're all screwed.
That's certainly true, but more people using their service and the additional data generated ALSO mean more incentive to spy and/or spam the hell out of said people. We'll see who comes out on top. And yeah, if spambots ever manage to get beyond "G€T cH€@p vi4gr4 todey!!!!", it'll be the end of the human race.
Quote from: Hotspot on Thu 04/06/2009 10:32:50
Yeah small text adverts annoy the crap out of me too.
Heh. Yeah, I should've probably clarified this... they're already collecting and using data about people, and running most of your communications over Google would drastically increase the ways they could collect data about you, which was my main qualm about this. This may or may not be related to my "get off my lawn / private data files" complex.
Quote from: Hotspot on Thu 04/06/2009 10:32:50
Hiring promising employees, going for a market share? Its almost like its a business!
I know! It
must be a conspiracy!! GET TO THE FALLOUT SHELTERS!!!
Seriously, though. What I was trying to point out was that I think people are being way too optimistic about Google, the quality of their products and their security measures / the exploitability of the collected data right now. Good track record nonwithstanding, they've got precisely zero experience with something like this. It's not a question about whether there will be bugs and security breaches in there - the question is how bad they'll be.
I actually think that there's more spam than actual internet already.
I use Firefox with NoScript addon.
Random wepage, I allow main domain to run scripts. Funny, but It's always at least 3-4 domains/servers that are DENIED to do this.
Putting this in simple words, I am forced to cripple my browser down to 10-20% to surf internet. "Pure" pages like adventuregamestudio.co.uk (not running any other "outer" services) are getting really rare.
Almost every damn page comes with stats.google, googlesyndication (yeah, GOOGLE), revsci.net, atdmt, geminus.pl, doubleclick.net, and so on - ad- and stats-trackers. Those darned things slow down loading, display ads, sniff around and trace every virtual step.
What google (or anyone else) should build, was a browser that filters all this digital pile of shit and leave only pure, old good internet. This I would praise.
Andail, you definitely have a point here and I agree with it.
It's a part of the busy lifestyle people nowadays live. We count time in seconds, not days like people in the past used to. That's one of the reasons we don't have as much time to meet people as we would like, thus we enjoy electronical communication.
I think it's true that it's a bit sick to substitute personal contact, going out and nature with staying in front of your screen though.
Anyway, why do I enjoy these communication forms? Because if I couldn't, I would stay in touch only with few people, it would be more difficult to stay in touch with them and organize events too. Internet really helps me to do this. I would miss very much of good time with great people if it wasn't for these communication forms.
Quote from: Andail on Thu 04/06/2009 12:06:53
I'm getting gradually less intrigued by the brand new communication/networking systems. It's like everyone has this urge to be online everywhere, all the time, to read and share everything at once, to be in perpetual contact with everyone you know, and everyone they know, and get updated in real time about everyone's opinions and moods and states and emoticons or whatnot.
Is it really our ambition to develop a hive mind? Is that our destiny as humans?
Leave your laptop at home, turn off your mobile phone and go for a long solitary walk. It's bound to do you good.
Yeah Im not a great fan of the simple status sharing things (such as twitter, well, as used by some people) but things like facebook which allow you to keep it touch with people (in a greater interactive means than simple email - and Im mostly refer to people its not practical to call), not to mention other things such as video and photo sharing etc, definitely have a place, in my opinion.
Some people take it too far, but it definitely has a place.
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 12:33:51
That's certainly true, but more people using their service and the additional data generated ALSO mean more incentive to spy and/or spam the hell out of said people. We'll see who comes out on top. And yeah, if spambots ever manage to get beyond "Gâ,¬T cHâ,¬@p vi4gr4 todey!!!!", it'll be the end of the human race.
At the same time, more spam means more training material which means less spam slipping through. The thing with a filter like this is that although a bot could maybe slip through by making spam messages which are posts significantly different messages it soon I imagine it would soon become too much hassle to create, tweek and change the bots.
I'm not saying nothing will slip through, I don't think it will be the spam epidemic you are thinking of though :P
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 12:33:51
Heh. Yeah, I should've probably clarified this... they're already collecting and using data about people, and running most of your communications over Google would drastically increase the ways they could collect data about you, which was my main qualm about this. This may or may not be related to my "get off my lawn / private data files" complex.
Hehe, I know I was just being facetious :P. I personally have no qualm about my data being collected as long as its going to be used reasonably (which I so far trust Google to do, could be misguided or whatever). And I include targetting their advertising to be reasonable use - if Im going to have adverts I'd rather have adverts Im going to be interested in!
At the same time I can understand the "get off my datas!" mindset.
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 12:33:51
Seriously, though. What I was trying to point out was that I think people are being way too optimistic about Google, the quality of their products and their security measures / the exploitability of the collected data right now. Good track record nonwithstanding, they've got precisely zero experience with something like this. It's not a question about whether there will be bugs and security breaches in there - the question is how bad they'll be.
Well, gmail is quite large and although extremely simplified version of what wave is presenting I think it counts. Also they have a lot of experience with developing APIs so I think we can trust them there, plus, you said it yourself... They hire a lot of bright (well, you said young - but they dont just hire anyone!) people to work for them. The team behind Wave seem to have a lot of experience also.
Everything has the potential for security holes, I think that enough thought will go into this that they will be kept to a minimum though - this isn't just some beginners slapping google's name onto their product.
So far Hotspot's been basically writing down my thoughts on the matter.
I don't really mind Google ads -- as long as the website author positions them somewhere smart -- as they're just a bit of text. On the other hand about everything else, all the blinking, bandwidth consuming huge banners which at worst cases play unprompted sounds are really not amusing or interesting at all.
Quote from: Andail on Thu 04/06/2009 12:06:53I'm getting gradually less intrigued by the brand new communication/networking systems. It's like everyone has this urge to be online everywhere, all the time, to read and share everything at once, to be in perpetual contact with everyone you know, and everyone they know, and get updated in real time about everyone's opinions and moods and states and emoticons or whatnot.
Amen! While I admit I am a fan of facebook (it's really nice to be able to keep in touch (or reconnect) with old friends I've not seen in years I
despise the constant status updates. So'n So is brushing her teeth ... So 'n So is done brushing her teeth and is headed to work ... So 'n So is at work ... So 'n So is working ...
Enough already!!
As for Google Wave ... as I stated earlier, anytime a company starts getting "big" (as somebody in here already hinted at Google reminding them of Microsoft) I think it's natural for a lot of people to jump instantly on the "must be bad! I don't trust it and I don't like it" band-wagon. That's fine. To each their own.
If the final product is anything like the demo I watched I'll gladly use it and enjoy it.
Please undestand I'm not accusing anybody in here of jumping on that bandwagon (though it
does seem likely) ... every person is entitled to like or dislike things as they choose and it's not my place to try to convince them otherwise. I haven't used Google Wave, I might dislike it when I do use it (doubt it) but from what I've seen it looks shiny.
Quote from: Andail on Thu 04/06/2009 12:06:53
I'm getting gradually less intrigued by the brand new communication/networking systems. It's like everyone has this urge to be online everywhere, all the time, to read and share everything at once, to be in perpetual contact with everyone you know, and everyone they know, and get updated in real time about everyone's opinions and moods and states and emoticons or whatnot.
Is it really our ambition to develop a hive mind? Is that our destiny as humans?
Leave your laptop at home, turn off your mobile phone and go for a long solitary walk. It's bound to do you good.
Well said!
I'm all for a universal one-ness, but not via the internet.
I agree with that, mostly because internet hiveminding would be to spirital one-ness as watching free porn previews is to sexual intercourse.
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Thu 04/06/2009 21:01:22
watching free porn previews is to sexual intercourse.
There's a difference? ;D
Yes, one lasts 15 seconds, the other 20.
:=
Yes, there's the 5 second "buffering" period on one of them. ;)
Sigh when threads are turned into "lol porn lol".
Quote from: Akatosh on Thu 04/06/2009 09:25:17
Hiring young talent, especially programmers? Check.
I cant say I thought Lars looked that young..... neither did his brother...
Also I still think this is going to end up being something good!