I've just had a talk on stress and we had to fall asleep while he talked to us. I think we got hypnotized as Ive never kind of dreamt like that before and he said that we were sleeping for 25mins when it felt like 2. And also i havent stopped simling since and been in a happier mood. Just wondering if you have been hypnotized before? And if this is normal after someone has been hypnotized?
You should talk to TerranRich...
You didn't find any sour cream in your underwear did you?
Have you ever turned off the capslock key?
Please change the thread title, thanks.
Sounds like you're describing an "enema", not "hypnosis".
A lot of the group hypnosis things are jokes... the way it works in these big production shows is that once on the stage, the hypnosis quietly, quickly explains that you just pretend to be hypnotized and do what he says. Otherwise if you don't want to play along with the game, just walk off the stage.
It allows people the chance to do anything they want and out-of-character things and not regret it, because after all, they were under hypnosis.
The people don't spoil the secret, of course, otherwise that could be quite embarassing for them...
Now I'm not saying that all group hypnosis is like this, just some. There IS such a thing as real hypnosis, don't get me wrong...
Hypnotized... well, kind of. I did it myself.
Try not to sleep for 52 hours!
Seeing a dream while being awake - just with some weird dream crossfaded onto what eyes really see?
And the dream is totally controllable, I could be superman with just at will?
Sitting down for 5 minutes, (I could swear it felt no more than 5 minutes!!!) and realizing that you've been sitting like this for 3 hours without moving?
Other similar time warps, a sort of bullet time?
Total sound slowdown! I can't explain or describe this. My ears just heard everything slowed down :P
Instant amnesia periods, where you have no idea what happened few hours ago?
Etc...
Cool, but dangerous and painful. Don't try at home!
I've had experiances like that Increator, but I was running a crazy fever for like a week and was working my ass off at a tire store. I remember just feeling detached from my body and hearing people say things that weren't really being said. It was crazy, and luckily I started barfing everywhere so my boss finally decided to let me go home sick...
Back in the mid 80's i once stayed up for almost 2 days straight. It was the most screwed up feeling i ever had. All i can remember now is how everything seemed so unreal and how i didn't have any perception of time. For me what felt like 6 am was really late at night. It was really screwed up. I would never try that again.
In the army I stayed up for about 48 hours. Those 48 hours started with being on the field and having the nightshift for guard duty. After various camp activities, a 15-kilometer (9,5 mi) full-pack march was conducted in the evening. We walked through the night and set up camp. No sleep. We 'woke up' and marched to the barracks. It was morning then.
To our dismay, after the marching my group was transfered straight from the field to base guard duty. There was a surprise baton training for all available guard duty men during the day. The same evening, we had an exercise to stop cars going over the speed limit. During this exercise, the 48 hours were nearing it's close. I was all mixed up. I couldn't keep my eyes open and I was drifting from place to place, finding myself kind of jumping from a position to another position some meters away without knowing I was moving. I also remember I was almost foaming at the mouth as I was looking at the soft grass near me. But the fear of getting shouted at kept me sane. So at midnight we were relieved and I actually couldn't get any sleep. Once I did, I slept for 5 hours and in the morning I was really energized and perky.
During the first 24 hours of the ordeal I literally had nothing to eat. There was absolutely no time to make food and I was physically too tired to even think about it. It was definately one of the weirdest experiences of my life.
My hypnotist died while bringing me back down and because of that, I've been on a high ever since, and haven't completed any of my work at Initech. If I don't shape up and get those TPS reports done correctly, I may be fired.... or maybe they'll give me a promotion.
There's a guy who goes by the name TPSReports on another forum I frequent, and everytime Office Space gets mentioned here, which is semi-frequently, I think of mentioning him and then I remember you guys don't know who he is :/
But hypnosis, yes... I mean, no. Never been hypnotised. I have a slightly curiosity about it, but I don't really want to be. I hate that idea of being out of control and not drunk.
Heh. When I was a kid, I was fascinated by hypnosis, and scared witless by the idea of being drunk.
Considering that I've never been hypnotized, and that I'm drunk as I'm writing this, I guess you could say things did not work out as expected.
Hypnosis... I should get around to that sometime.
All of us experienced hypnosis at one time or another, we just didn't realize it. Have you ever watched a movie? If so, you might have been hypnotized watching it. If you felt the emotions of the actors(stress, anger, joy, etc.), you have experienced a type of hypnosis.
I've never been hypnotized (outside of self-hypnosis), but I was taught how to hypnotize people in high school. It's actually fairly easy, as long as the person being hypnotized is willing. It is a power I have saved for when I need to battle a super villian.
I hold the power to fondle you all. Maybe I already have, you would never know!
Quite obviously, you're under control of Galactus, poor slave!
Quote from: Gilbot V7000a on Thu 02/02/2006 06:52:25
Quite obviously, you're under control of Galactus, poor slave!
No no, Galactus doesn't bother to control anyone. He uses a herald to find the tastiest planets, but this is a willing volunteer who has control over the POWER COSMIC. Such as the Silver Surfer, or Aunt May.
Quote from: Kinoko on Thu 02/02/2006 05:43:58
There's a guy who goes by the name TPSReports on another forum I frequent, and everytime Office Space gets mentioned here, which is semi-frequently, I think of mentioning him and then I remember you guys don't know who he is :/
I know who he is! I frequented that board a long time ago, but now only lurk it because I'm terrified of the people there... :-X I guess my daikon isn't big enough...
Uh-oh.
Uh, please don't take the crap I write there seriously ^_^ It's my shit-talking outlet!
Quote from: Scummbuddy on Thu 02/02/2006 04:27:21
My hypnotist died while bringing me back down and because of that, I've been on a high ever since, and haven't completed any of my work at Initech. If I don't shape up and get those TPS reports done correctly, I may be fired.... or maybe they'll give me a promotion.
Yeah... if you could just come in on.. saturday and get those TPS reports done, with the cover on the front, that'd be great!
(I only saw that film for the first time like a month ago!)
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I hold the power to fondle you all. Maybe I already have, you would never know!
Yeah, you bastard, you made Squinky vomit... ;}
Quote from: RickJ on Thu 02/02/2006 12:41:25
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I hold the power to fondle you all. Maybe I already have, you would never know!
Yeah, you bastard, you made Squinky vomit... ;}
He enjoyed it! Or so I made him think!
Quote from: Geoffkhan on Thu 02/02/2006 01:29:15
A lot of the group hypnosis things are jokes... the way it works in these big production shows is that once on the stage, the hypnosis quietly, quickly explains that you just pretend to be hypnotized and do what he says. Otherwise if you don't want to play along with the game, just walk off the stage.
It allows people the chance to do anything they want and out-of-character things and not regret it, because after all, they were under hypnosis.
The people don't spoil the secret, of course, otherwise that could be quite embarassing for them...
Now I'm not saying that all group hypnosis is like this, just some. There IS such a thing as real hypnosis, don't get me wrong...
This is a very interesting -- although innacurate -- point of view. Do you know this for a fact? I've talked to people that have been to those group hypnosis things and I've seen them myself. Usually, if a person finds him/herself not under hypnosis anymore, they are quietly told to go back to the audience. I've known people that, to this day, claim that they were really under and I know for a fact would never do the things they did in front of an audience.
The way you put it, it sounds like one giant conspiracy. ;)
Quote from: TerranRich on Thu 02/02/2006 19:18:39
I've talked to people that have been to those group hypnosis things and I've seen them myself. Usually, if a person finds him/herself not under hypnosis anymore, they are quietly told to go back to the audience.
Quote from: Geoffkhan on Thu 02/02/2006 01:29:15
...the hypnosis quietly, quickly explains that you just pretend to be hypnotized and do what he says. Otherwise if you don't want to play along with the game, just walk off the stage.
Terran: Why is your explenation better that Geoffs? His version actually makes more sense.
Quote from: TerranRich on Thu 02/02/2006 19:18:39
The way you put it, it sounds like one giant conspiracy. ;)
It's called making money.
Yes, but vict0r, that is suggested that every person (or nearly every person) who has ever been in a hypnosis group was told to perpetuate a lie.
I know it makes more sense to believe that hypnosis is phony. But can you honestly say that a large majority of the people who have participated in hypnosis groups are lying to everybody to help some stranger make money? I'm sorry, but I've seen hypnosis at work. It's a powerful tool, something explainable by science.
And it is useful for Bank robberys apparently....
And Pesty, is that why I keep finding my shirt untucked?
They aren't lying. They are caught up in it and are told that what they are experiencing is hypnosis so therefore they equate what they are doing with hypnosis "Why did I just make out with my shoe? Oh I'm hypnotized!" "Why did you make out with your shoe?" "I was hypnotized!" That's not lying, that's being misdirected I guess...
as the Amazing Randi puts it:
"In any case, hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game"
http://www.fmsfonline.org/hypnosis.html
some interesting stuff in here
QuoteAnd Pesty, is that why I keep finding my shirt untucked?
Yea.... Pesty is the reason for that... yea.....
This is somehow going to get back to the brown banana subjest isn't it?
Quote from: TerranRich on Thu 02/02/2006 19:29:38
It's a powerful tool, something explainable by science.
So is the opposite ;)
Quote from: Squinky on Thu 02/02/2006 19:50:12
This is somehow going to get back to the brown banana subjest isn't it?
Now now, I can't change the color of anyone's penis through hypnosis. If I could, I think I'd probably be the most powerful woman in the world.
This is a very important thing to note, from the site Eric linked to:
QuoteFor instance, a common hypnotic item is the suggestion that an arm is stiff and rigid, and impossible to bend no matter how hard the hypnotized person tries. It is very difficult, on the sole basis of observing the behavior, to differentiate a person who truly believes that the arm is impossible to bend at the elbow, no matter how hard s/he tries, from a person who complies with the suggestion, in full knowledge that s/he can bend the arm.
I think this is very important to pay attention to. What he is saying is that there are some who knowingly comply with the suggestion, and others that truly believe the suggetsion is truth.
Is that not the definition of hypnosis? To be convinced that what is suggested is the truth and to believe it? Role-playing or not, it's still hypnosis. ;)
Quote from: Kinoko on Thu 02/02/2006 07:58:14
Uh, please don't take the crap I write there seriously ^_^ It's my shit-talking outlet!
Oh ok, hypocrisy's cool with me.
^_^
i know for a fact that hypnotisem works. how? well i hypnotized my self once. to see if it worked, i told my self to erm... :-[ to get an erection. ( sorry bout that) and you know what it worked!( notthing to be proud of)i was not fanizizing or any thing. but i was able to suggest that to myself. so nno its not a trick, and its a real (but weird )FACT
Yes, the fact that you can pop a boner proves hypnotisms ultimate power....
I've said it before, but i was once hypnotized by "Captain Muchly Drinks Bleach". I couldn't even control myself. I got up, walked towards the door, and then just collapsed on the floor and passed out for a second.
Quote from: MrColossal on Thu 02/02/2006 19:45:48
as the Amazing Randi puts it:
"In any case, hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game"
QuoteAnd Pesty, is that why I keep finding my shirt untucked?
Be carefull not to falsely associate the Amazing Randi (a stage magician, not research scientist) and his band of Ayn Rand loving "objectivists" with scientists. Real science takes multiple samples and examine them with a coherent, consistent method and state only the observations.
The "skeptics" take observed phenomena and slap on ad hoc interpretations that simply assume alternative interpretations, often without building any controll features.
Although the skeptics and Randi have unmasked more than one fraud, often it is with very poor methodology--they say "It could be done way X, and way X fits with our "objectivist" worldview therefore it MUST be done way X"--many of their arguments are akin to saying the moon landing could be faked and would have been less expensive and more "believable" if faked--therefore, it was faked.
It was difficult for me to reject the skeptics society because they fight for a lot of things I believe in, anti-psedoscience, pro evolution, etc., but with my friend close to finishing his Sociology MA, and telling me a lot more about the scientific method and research in general, it has become apparent (especially after watching the first season of Penn and Teller's show "Bullshit") that the method used by Randi and others, while sometimes dramatically effective, is only scientific in the sense that blogging is award-winning journalism.
That's all I have to say though--there is plenty of scientific evidence showing that hypnotism is effective--though the past-lives and repressed memories stuff is highly questionable.
I don't see where I ever associated Randi with a scientist and The Amazing Randi is a hero of both Penn and Teller. And Bullshit, while awesome and entertaining, has the responsibility to be entertaining over informative so I don't see why I would have to question Randi's methods and not Bullshit's.
humbug
Quote from: Matt Damon on Sat 04/02/2006 03:41:04
It was difficult for me to reject the skeptics society
Which society is this, pray? Hasn't the term "skeptic" - ever since the ancient days of Pyrrho - been used to loosely describe a kind of personality? You make it sound like a very homogenous group of people who have a local office in your town.
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That's all I have to say though--there is plenty of scientific evidence showing that hypnotism is effective--though the past-lives and repressed memories stuff is highly questionable.
Repressed memories is one area where hypnotism has shown to be the most effective. Now, being a skeptic myself, I must add that I don't believe in the sort of hypnotism that makes Uncle Scrooge give his lucky coin to Magica De Spell, or, for that matter, that stuff TerranRich is doing to his girlfriend.
But as a psychological routine, carefully supervised and by mutual consent, it is widely used and accepted.
And not what most people thing it is. The effect is one of a very calmed and relaxed trance, quite shallow and easily broken if not cultivated over extended sessions and based on trust. Not hardcore YOU WILL DO AS I SAY YOU ARE FEELING MOIST YES MASTER MM FUCK ME NOW type of deal. Too much hollywood.
Quote...and easily broken if not cultivated over extended sessions and based on trust. Not hardcore YOU WILL DO AS I SAY YOU ARE FEELING MOIST YES MASTER MM FUCK ME NOW type of deal.
...Is it... true?
*sigh*
Another thing off from my "to learn someday" list... :'(
Quote from: Helm on Sat 04/02/2006 16:33:10
And not what most people thing it is. The effect is one of a very calmed and relaxed trance, quite shallow and easily broken if not cultivated over extended sessions and based on trust. Not hardcore YOU WILL DO AS I SAY YOU ARE FEELING MOIST YES MASTER MM FUCK ME NOW type of deal. Too much hollywood.
Okay, I have an experiment for you, Helm. Guess what number I'm thinking of!
Ssssh Helm, it's 69 man ...
Pesty, come back to bed.
Quote from: Helm on Sun 05/02/2006 11:57:16
Pesty, come back to bed.
No, sorry, not after I caught you with that sheep. And you call yourself a he-goat! How can I trust you anymore!
But seriously, guess what number I'm thinking of!
Okay, I'll play your game woman.
You're thinking of the number 17
Quote from: Helm on Sun 05/02/2006 18:11:41
Okay, I'll play your game woman.
You're thinking of the number 17
No, sorry, the number was MY FIST IN YOUR FACE.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I GUESS I CAN'T READ MINDS AFTER ALL
I bet you can read fists very well now, though!
yeah I've read pesty's puny fist, and she has a very small life knuckle. And she's completely missing the pinky finger if you know what I mean hah!
Quote from: Andail on Sat 04/02/2006 12:02:42
Quote from: Matt Damon on Sat 04/02/2006 03:41:04
It was difficult for me to reject the skeptics society
Which society is this, pray? Hasn't the term "skeptic" - ever since the ancient days of Pyrrho - been used to loosely describe a kind of personality? You make it sound like a very homogenous group of people who have a local office in your town.
In the US (and, to a lesser extent elsewhere), there's an organized movement of people calling themselves skeptics. They devote a lot of their efforts to arguing against supernatural phenomena (spiritism etc.) and superstitions (homeopathy etc.). They also have a fairly big overlap with atheists and humanists. So they are a pretty homogenous groups when it comes to attitudes and beliefs, and probably do have a local office in most towns.
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Repressed memories is one area where hypnotism has shown to be the most effective. Now, being a skeptic myself, I must add that I don't believe in the sort of hypnotism that makes Uncle Scrooge give his lucky coin to Magica De Spell, or, for that matter, that stuff TerranRich is doing to his girlfriend.
But as a psychological routine, carefully supervised and by mutual consent, it is widely used and accepted.
Repressed memories recovered under hypnosis have been shown to be highly unreliable, and very sensitive to suggestion. There is indeed no consensus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memories) in the academic psychiatric community about whether there really is such a thing as truly "repressed" memories (just like there might not be such a thing as multiple personality disorder).
These ideas are firmly lodged in the popular imagination, but among the experts they remain highly controversial.