hey this tread is about horror movies books and stuff.
-IT owns coz it scary
-America sucks coz they rip asian horror movie and americainize them...
-IT,The Eye 1 & 2, The Ring (Asian) , Darkwaters(Asian) and Ju-On: The grudge are awsome!!
-Steven King is the best horror writer!!!!!!
ok thats all i wanted to say...
post all your horror stuff here!!
and stay evil!!!! 8)
Teh horror (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?action=profile;u=4523).
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The scariest movie I ever saw ?? It was called "
The Search Feature (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?action=search)".
Here's a synapsis ... (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=15330.0)
Quote from: Corey on Sun 25/09/2005 15:45:22-America sucks coz they rip asian horror movie and americainize them...
Rrrrright ... because an asian movie full of asian culture and language would do soooooo much better in an American culture than a version of the movie geared towards the market which it's being played in.
Good point!
I don't get horror movies actaully, and never watch them because they bore me. They seem to work off of two main concepts to get people interested, using suspense or extreme gore, both of which don't really get me going.
Oh... Another one of you "STEPHEN KING OWNZ" kids?
Yea, I used to think that... In 7th grade..
That's not to say SK is a bad writer. I just don't think his books are that scary. He's good at creating characters, for sure. But not really all that scary.
I would say maybe Clive Barker is probably scarier... At least, more twisted.
I used to avoid horror movies because I was convinced they would traumatise me to buggery and I'd never be able to sleep again.
Turns out I love them, especially the cheesy, dated ones. I have a lot of catching up to do...
I'd say the key to effective horror has less to do with the style in which the story is told and more to do with just having a genuinly scary initial idea. The film/novel/game/comic/sausage can be total crap and still do it's job if you've got a spooky idea.
One day I'm gunna come up with a really fucked up, original, scary idea...Then you'll see! You'll ALL see!
I am quite the horror film fanatic. With well over 150 films in my collection (many of which are classics in the truest sense of the word) I watch very little else. Depending on my mood, my taste runs the gamut from serious and gritty (John Carpenter's The Thing) to extremely over-the-top cheese (Army of Darkness, The Undertaker and his Pals). You do realize, Corey, that America was making films (and especially horror films) well before Japan ever did? Funny how you didn't mention the many films they've ripped off in their time.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Sun 25/09/2005 22:48:07
You do realize, Corey, that America was making films (and especially horror films) well before Japan ever did?
Actually you're very wrong. The Japanese film industry was fairly healthy before the onset of WW2. The made films in all genres too. During the late thirties and early forties the only films being made were propoganda for the Japanese war effort, thought. But horror films, and all genres in general, came back into vogue during the fifties.
I suggest you read this book...
http://www.kfccinema.com/features/articles/tokyoscope/tokyoscope.html
...for more information on Japanese horror films.
Plus, most of the early American horror films were actually made by European film-makers, and borrowed heavily from the already established European style, particularly the German expressionest silent movies of the twenties.
Scariest film I've seen would be "Dance Your Pants Off with Richard Simmons" Those Actresses and actors are HUGE! And you never know when one of them will eat Richard... *sobs* (you just really don't know...)
All joking aside, the "Exorcist" would be the one that scares me the most. (Being Catholic, I know exorcisms are very real!)
I love horror movies, and although I don't think many of the horror movies released today are really scary enough (if at all) to be worthy of the title "horror movie", I don't exactly think American horror movies suck.
I agree 100% with what Darth said. Then again, I don't really blame you for not realising that the Japanese' perception of horror is very different from the American's view. It can be very spine chilling. Because I think the one thing that is the scariest is what you don't understand.
"IT" used to be scary (when I was 10), the Grudge wasn't really that scary, I thought the Ring was pretty lame.
Stephen King is an ok writer, but what about Wes Craven? John Carpenter? M. Night Shyamalan does a pretty good job, too.
I'm agreeing with Mr Hyde there about new horror movies. SK is a good writer but some of his newer stuff falls flat. My favourite horror writer is Robert Bloch (Can't beat Psycho :D )
Me also loves Stephen King. Me used to love him not because it was scary, precisely, but rather because of the emotions he conveys. Because of his characters. Because of they way they are alive, and because of the way they react. The "mass stampede" scene in Dreamcatcher, the whole "lottery" in Storm of the Century, and so on... I'll never argue he's one of the top writers (Clive Barker and Peter Straub would be THOSE), but he's without a doubt one of the best storytellers I've ever seen.
Funny thing, horror. Somewhere alone the line horror became something like "gore" and "bloodfest". Dunno why. That provokes revulsion, which can only faintly be compared to horror. I mean, sure, it's horrific to see all that gore and all those people die, but the genre "horror" is so much more than that. In fact, we Portuguese call it "Terror", even though we also have the word "horror". I like that better. It involves actual fright, as opposed to the broader, sometimes cruder "horror".
For me, a good horror film is a psychological horror flick. In that regard, I think SK (on account of the way his characters are created and set free) has good a bloody good job. But sure - there are others, more appealing in other areas: you can't beat the imaginarium of CLive Barker. But you know what? I prefer Barker as a "fantasy" writer. Imajica, Weaveworld, Galilee, theya re so much better than Coldheart Canyon and Hellbound Heart.
EDIT - For a good read of the way the genre has been presented to us I reccomend King's "Danse Macabre". For that matter, for a good reading about writing itself I reccomend his "On Writing". I've known of people who, by principle, never read Stephen King become much more acceptive after they read "On Writing".
Horror movies = yay. Except for IT, it doesn't count as a horror movie. :P Even though I'm not as fanatic as ProgZ, I do love horror movies and try to convince my friends to rent them whenever we meet up to watch movies.
When I was a kid I found 'The Exorcist' and 'Nightmare on Elm Street' scary, I was horrified after seeing certain scenes from those movies. Then there was a mini series where aliens abducted people, I couldn't sleep properly for a couple of weeks after seeing it. It wasn't horror though, but I was young and found it scary.
Favourites:
- The Shining
- The Wicker Man
- Nightmare on Elm Street
- Killer Klowns from Outer Space
- The Thing
- The Invisible Man
- Evil Dead
- Night of the Living Dead
- 28 Days Later
- Halloween
Braindead is good too, and gory. Hellraiser and Cabin Fever are gory too. Dreamcatcher was strange. The Blob is fun. The Exorcist 2 is the worst movie ever. Critters is teh lol.
Braindead is horror? I honestly thought it was comedy. And I wouldn't say Dreamcatcher was horror - neither film nor book. Suspense, maybe. Even though IMHO the film was a travesti (but then, I'd read and loved the book).
Re Braindead - I never though a serious horror flick would have a karate priest who'd yell "I kick ass for the lord!"
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 25/09/2005 16:03:13
Quote from: Corey on Sun 25/09/2005 15:45:22-America sucks coz they rip asian horror movie and americainize them...
Rrrrright ... because an asian movie full of asian culture and language would do soooooo much better in an American culture than a version of the movie geared towards the market which it's being played in.
Good point!
Asian horror movies are more about ordinary everday people, so they have more of a ''this could happen to you'' feel. While with American horror movies always feels like ''just a movie''. Maybe because they spent all of the money on special effecs and boobs. Asian films are always filmed in a drifferent angle, and that's just how I like my coffee.
Most survival horror games are from Japan too.
Wes Craven brought the horror flic back to a-movie status, but nothing else has changed (except now-a-days you have the strong leading actres that instead of running and falling, try to face the fear. And we're suppose to go "How boundbreaking. We're in awe").
Has anyone played ObsCure (http://www.obscure-game.com)? I only played a little bit but it was scary. It reminded me of alot of school horror movies like The Faculty.
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Asian horror movies just have style coz they dont have to let some1 gte killed every 2 sec to make it interesting...
I dont think any writer writes stories that really scares me... not Steven King not any writer ( ohh i gues im just pure evil)
Its a shame i know but i never seen EXORCIST...
Most Americain horror movies are about a thing that kills people, and that most times bores me...
Sleepy Hollow is the best movie ripped for some kind of fairy tale i've ever seen...!! :)
stay evil 8)
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 14:50:18
Asian horror movies just have style coz they dont have to let someone gte killed every 2 sec to make it interesting...
Okay, Corey.. I've lost all respect for you now.
You know, I think my signature speaks for itself when it comes to the whole "america sucks coz it rips off asian" bullcrap. You see, in my opinion, when it happens (not too often, just two or three movies I heard of) it sucks. A LOT. but, out of all types of movies, I don't really like horrors. They just aren't scary to me.
"Oh no, evil zombiemen go out and eat all those poor people! AHH :o"
Anyone who ever played doom knows that a good ol' fashioned double barreled shotgun is all you need to kill a cyberdemon, which is like, 600000 zombies put together, so why bother being scared?
;D
And as for the exorcist, that was funny. I watched it with my older brother, we were laughing our asses off. A little girl twisting her head around entirely and stabbing her leg with a cross! You can't tell me you don't see the comedy in that.
The only reason it was scary when it came out were because of the subliminal messages behind the little girl... in such a quick instant your concianse mind couldn't understand you'd have seen a picture of a demon over a little girl's face. That would be scary, but it was made illegal in america after disney put subliminal messages of naked ladies in Pocohantes...
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 14:50:18
Its a shame i know but i never seen EXORCIST...
The Exorcist is probably the film that creeped me out the most.
That, or "Whistle and I'll Come to You" starring Michael Hordern (yes, the Paddington Bear narrator!).
It disturbs me that kids these days are so desensitized that they find The Exorcist funny.
But "stabbing her
leg", now that's funny!
It's amazing... by the time the exorcism was over, her leg wasn't all bloody and scarred and beat up and bandaged, but was fine...
Maybe I'm just perverse, but I didn't think it was her leg she was going for.
I didn't find the Exorcist even vaguely scary, to be honest - very good, yes, but not scary. Although, I didn't see it until it was re-realeased in the UK a few years ago to so much hype that it was never really going to live up to it.
I'm with Eggie - I avoided horror films for ages (I had nightmares about Freddy Kruger before I'd even seen any of the films), and now I love them - but I can't say that I can think of a single one that's actually scared me, apart from the occasional 'cat scare'.
no horror movie scares me either... i gues im too evil :P
1: No, you're just a confused teenager that don't know how to handle his feelings.
2: It's "
because", not "cuz".
3: Is it necessary that you use "..." in every sentence?
Quote from: King_Nipper on Mon 26/09/2005 16:01:06
It's amazing... by the time the exorcism was over, her leg wasn't all bloody and scarred and beat up and bandaged, but was fine...
"Fuck Christ, fuck him, fuck him!""Let Jesus fuck you, let Jesus fuck you!"
It was definitely not her legs that she was stabbing.
"Let Jesus fuck you", I think is the actual wording. ::) Ayuh, I doubt it's the legs. In fact, when I had read about the film (before I saw it), the word employed was not "stabbing" but "masturbating", which left me somewhat surprised that anyone could consider something that violent and bloody a "simple masturbation".
Meh... what do you want. I was 8 when I saw it... the schools didn't start showing me those "growing up" films ;)
Horror films aren't really my bag to be honest, perhaps because I'm neither scared or grossed out by them (with the possible exception of Event Horizon). Only the game 'System Shock 2' and the book 'House of Leaves' have ever managed to instill a real deep-rooted sense of fear in me... well, in terms of media anyway.
Not to say I don't enjoy John Carpenter's films, and I loved the 'video' in the American version of The Ring because it's generally unsettling. Night of the Hunter, The Shining and Rosemary's Baby are also favourites... Cronenberg of course if he counts... surely there are more if I put my mind to it.
Oh yes, Jacob's Ladder. More psychological than 'horror' I guess. And Shaun of the Dead, which sort of doesn't count but I'm listing it anyway!
Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Mon 26/09/2005 15:53:22
It disturbs me that kids these days are so desensitized that they find The Exorcist funny.
Well I have to agree with you.
I don't know a lot about horror movies, but I think that the exorcist is a fine horror movie. + nobody dies (at least not every 2 secs, nipper)
On the other hand, one thing that really really freaked me out, not scared me, but I was left tottaly numb was:
Nine Inch Nails (NIN): The video clip from
Burn and
happiness in slavery. These video clips I believe are f***ing amazing but also really scary.
Or maybe I'm just getting older and think about my son, what to watch and what not to :(
Save me somebody...!
Quote from: jetxl on Mon 26/09/2005 16:43:57
1: No, you're just a confused teenager that don't know how to handle his feelings.
2: It's "because", not "cuz".
3: Is it necessary that you use "..." in every sentence?
1. No im very evil!!!
2.It's
coz ... thats short for because (u didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)
It's not so much the blood and violence that's funny. The exorcist was just way overdone... to the point it was amusing.
It's also the fact that none of it is real. The blood, the violence, the killing, it's to the point you know it can't be true. Or for me anyway...
My friends were talking about how scary all those crappy ass horror movies are. I laugh at how sissy they are when they're not looking. It makes me glad I tower over all those midgets, some of the things i say...
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 17:48:11
1. No I'm very evil!!!
2.It's coz ... thats short for because (you didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)
Your cute reply only confirms my point. And your lack of english makes it even funnier.
It's "a
nnoy" b.t.w.
Yes, we all know he has very poor grammer Jet.
But then agaun what of us havent not not had made same mistakes then before the now? :)
The problem with grammer is that not enough people care to correct it, unless it's really annoying like the sentance I just wrote.
I can't say that I'm very familiar with most classic "horror" movies, though I've certainly seen and liked a few, some genuinely and some in that execrable postmodern ironic way which may or may not be all the rage with the kids these days (by which I mean to imply, more or less, that I am the kind of person who enjoys MST3K).
Books - I can't say that I like what I've read from Stephen King very much, though I did mildly enjoy Kubrick's version of The Shining. I liked Wolfgang Hohlbein (a ridiculously prolific German author) when I was 12 or so, which I think is the age he writes for anyway. At least I hope so, for his sake.
Lovecraft, of course, amuses greatly. Indeed I generally seem to like elderly examples of the genre (and its forerunners) more. I'm not sure why that is - perhaps it's that when sufficient time has passed, the uninteresting stuff has been largely forgotten, or perhaps I'm just a huge snob.
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 17:48:11
1. No I'm very evil!!!
2.It's coz ... thats short for because (you didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)
Perhaps jetxl's post was a little more blunt than necessary (he does that, I've noticed, though I hear he's a reasonably nice guy in person); but if you're going to respond to it like that, then I feel I should point out he's not the only one annoyed by excessive informalism in writing. (Then why does almost nobody ever say anything? Because nobody wants to look like the world's greatest pedant, and because it would get terribly tiresome doing this to every other new person that comes along.)
I'm not going to tell you to use a spellchecker. Instead, spell things correctly in the first place. ;) (I'm only half joking - I keep coming across people apparently using odd out-of-place words, words similar to others that would make rather more sense there. I can only guess that this has something to do with spellchecker abuse.)
i FORGOT TO...
...ER, EXCUSE ME...
...there. Sorry. I forgot Caps Lock on. But that's not what I forgot that made me write this.
I forgot to mention Poe. His stories are amazingly atmospheric, and when he wrote horror (which, despite what some people might think, was just one of the genres he wronte in, along with comedy, satire, fantasy, science fiction, whodunnit, poetry (of course), and... "parables", for lack of a better word) he accomplished a certain... ah, hard to say. I mean, you read it today, and it does show that it was a 19th century hand what wrote it, but it's still... "fresh". Forgive me, I don't have the vocabulary to express what I mean. Basically I guess I mean that his stories are a product of such genius that even now, two centuries later, they're still among the best horror stories ever written. Classics such as "The Tell-Tale Heart" and "The Black Cat" and oh so many more will live forever.
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 14:50:18
Asian horror movies just have style coz they dont have to let someone gte killed every 2 sec to make it interesting...
Err ... and what film does?
QuoteMost Americain horror movies are about a thing that kills people, and that most times bores me...
So you're saying that films like The Shining, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Psycho and Evil Dead are all the same because they involve people getting killed, and therefore they're all boring?
Quote2.It's coz ... thats short for because (you didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)
Please re-read the forum rules. Firstly, it is not acceptable to do things here "just to annoy people"; and secondly, the word you want to use is "because". The minimum age here is 16 -- if you are unable to act that age, please refrain from posting.
Regarding Poe, I vaguely enjoy this (http://www.bicycle-for-slugs.org/randusic/thebells.mp3), though I do think it would have been more amusing if they'd done the entire poem (http://eserver.org/books/poe/bells.html) in that style.
Heh, funny you should come up with that. I find that to be one of his most interesting pieces. The poem has a musicality of it's own, and each "section" (don't remember the word, is it "verse"?) clearly has a certain music, a certain atmosphere.
I think The Shining is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It didn't raise my hair up and make me sink my nails on the arm rests, though. But it was a good movie. It had atmosphere. That's what I like in horror movies. I haven't seen many of the newer ones, but at one point one of the Finnish TV channels showed the good ol' black&white horror movies from the 50's. And
those were awsome. They were not scary, but awsome. Of titles I remember only Cat People now :-\ I also liked The Fly, and the remake-sequel whatever of it,
IIRC titled The Fly II was also good. Oh dang, that's where the list of horror movies I remember seeing ends :(
Well now, there's an old, 50s Vincent Price starring version of 'The Fly'. There's a pair of sequel/remakes to that called 'Return of The Fly' and 'Curse of the Fly', an 80s remake with Jeff Goldblum, and a sequel to THAT (with an entirely different cast), called 'The Fly II'. I've seen the original, and both the 80s ones. They're all kind of cool in their own ways, but none of them are particularly 'scary' (well, my mum says she's scared of the original, but ...).
Oh, and apparently they're making another remake, starting next year.
And yes, 50s B&W movies are majorly awesome - as is (almost) anything starring Vincent Price.
I have The Fly - apparently the 50's version - and The Fly II on VHS. So I miss a few pieces of the puzzle...
That's funny, Fish, I don't remember discussing WW II at all, so you're the one who is very wrong. Show me some kind of evidence that Japan made horror films before America (which was my point- do read again). You do KNOW, of course, that the first documented horror film was made by Thomas Edison himself (that being Frankenstein, long saught after by collectors for its rather racy material for 1910)? While there are few things that I do know, this happens to be one of them. Thank you, drive through.
I am probably one of the few who owns both the American Ring and the original Rings. I've seen the Japanese Ring 0, 1 and 2, and even Spiral. They all sucked donkey... Well, you can guess the follow-up word on that one. The American version of numero uno was actually fairly well-done, and definitely more entertaining than the Japanese version, which was sadly lacking any kind of suspense.
Ju-on was fecking annoying and boring. The Grudge wasn't much better. Though the sound... That gargling sound coming from deep within. That still kind of creeps me out. I'm a regular Japanophile, but usually Japanese films are too slow-moving and too subtle for me. I want to go "OMG OMG OMG THAT WAS SCARY" from time to time. Ring did that twice, but did it well. Raised my neckhairs proper.
My favourite horror movie is Hellraiser. My favourite horror movie series is Hellraiser. I own Hellraiser 1 through VI and when I can get VII and VIII on DVD as well, I shall own them too.
I saw Sleepstalker a couple of days ago, it was incredibly boring. That the murderer guy would turn into a literal 'sandman' was horribly logical and predictable. Also, the acting sucked.
Nightbreed, based on Barker's Cabal, was an entertaining movie - but then again, I think Craig Sheffer is a dandy actor and thoroughly enjoyed his acting in Hellraiser V: Inferno, so I might be partial.
I love 80's/90's horror.
Rign isn't horror - it's more a psychological thriller than anything else. It's got suspense - sure, but it's not horror. Not in my book. Horror means at least two naked boobies on every two films in the series (Friday the 13th's really do keep up the balance) and lots of gushing blood. Original ways of dying gives extra credit, but especially new ways to make my skin crawl are awesome.
To quote Pinhead: "We bring pleasure where pleasure has been hollowed out - to bring experiences beyond pleasure. We are angels to some, and demons to other."
There is none as great as pinhead in the world of villains. And mostly because, quite frankly, Pinhead isn't evil. He's just fulfilling his part of the deal :)
This thread is quite horrific... :P
Quote from: Pumaman on Mon 26/09/2005 19:19:07
Quote from: Corey on Mon 26/09/2005 14:50:18
Asian horror movies just have style coz they dont have to let someone gte killed every 2 sec to make it interesting...
Err ... and what film does?
QuoteMost Americain horror movies are about a thing that kills people, and that most times bores me...
So you're saying that films like The Shining, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Psycho and Evil Dead are all the same because they involve people getting killed, and therefore they're all boring?
Quote2.It's coz ... thats short for because (you didnt know that?? ohhh really didnt...??!!! ohh cute...)
3.yes , its my style... yeah... hehu... (many "..."s just to anoy you)
Please re-read the forum rules. Firstly, it is not acceptable to do things here "just to annoy people"; and secondly, the word you want to use is "because". The minimum age here is 16 -- if you are unable to act that age, please refrain from posting.
The Shining isnt boring
BECAUSE it has a good story but that other movies. A killer on the lose , people get killed and the killer get killed (or something) and then he returns in part 2 & 3 ... C'mon we have seen that enough.
almost any movie you have mentioned ecept from the shinning does that.
and btw:
you all saying IT isnt scary is just bullshit. You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again
I saw IT once. I even recorded it on tape. I laughed, oh how I laughed.
It's like all Stephen King's movies, the beginning is very good... and all of a sudden it becames just silly. :P
EDIT: Okay okay, not all movies by him, but many nevertheless!
Petteri, I think that's because usually when you read the book you sort of become entranced...ok, scratch that. WHen I read the book, I usually become entranced. The book weaves some spell and I don't really think it's silly - it's perfectly allright, and more often than not it's well told. The quality of his writing may be up for grabs, but he casts a spell on you.
Filmwise, this is MUCH harder. Kubrick (Shining), Carpenter (Christine), Darabont (Shawshank, Green Mile) and DePalma (Carrie) have pulled it off, but notice how they're all big names (except maybe for Darabont). I think it DOES take a big name (and all the quality that name carries) to convert a book like that into a film.
After all, come on - haunted hotel? Psah. A haunted car? Oo-er. A convict who performs miracles? Good for priests. A little girl who goes on a killing spree? Puh-leze.
But when you read the books or see the films, it doesn't sound so "oo-er" anymore, does it?
Sorry, Corey, but I must agree with just about everyone else in here... IT is just not scary. It was a good idea, and I like it because of the comraderie betwen the characters (was it Rui that said Stephen King was good at making characters.... That's very true) but it was not once scary. It was actually more ludicrous. If I EVER saw Pennywise, I would probably wind up laying down the law... And then once he left, there would most likely be some manner of urination down the shower drain to remind him not to come back. However, I have to deny everyone who said zombie movies and serial killer movies and stuff like that are scary too. Once again, ludicrissimo...
And no, you aren't evil. Seriously. I USED to be evil. I know what it means to be evil. And, whichever way you cut it, whether you are just a confused teenager or a member of a cult that performs human sacrifices, evil is just plain stupid. I still require the occasional bit of omnicide because I hate people and hope to never become one, but the whole reason I DO hate people is because most of them don't seem to understand that we all share this friggin' world. There's a degree of respect involved. You can think you are a god, but you need to remember that everyone else has the right to believe the same thing of themselves.
I would wonder how many people that have been posting here actually BELIEVE in the supernatural... It's cool to read books and watch movie and all that crap... But how many people actually believe in the supernatural? Alot of us say we are atheists, which would mean there is no room for the supernatural... But anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion should believe in the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. You can't have one without the other... Tom Hanks (I forget your forum name, but you LOOK like Tom Hanks with a goatee), you're a Catholic... You should know that Ephesians 6 says "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalties and Powers..." It was very admirable that you said you believed in exorcisms... Most Catholic priests do not...
So then, in our discussion of horror movies and books, is there a little bit of room for REAL horror???
Quote from: Corey on Wed 28/09/2005 07:35:10You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again
I seriously hope that you don't actually beleive that. :-\
Quote from: esper on Wed 28/09/2005 09:39:01
However, I have to deny everyone who said zombie movies and serial killer movies and stuff like that are scary too. Once again, ludicrissimo...
HERETIC! HEATHEN! Just kidding. Zombie movies were really only scary for me when I was younger. Now, zombies are just an obsession due to the extreme fear I had as a child for them. You would not beleive THE NIGHTMARES I had from watching Return Of The Living Dead, and the music video for Michael Jackson's Thriller.
Quote from: esper on Wed 28/09/2005 09:39:01I would wonder how many people that have been posting here actually BELIEVE in the supernatural... It's cool to read books and watch movie and all that crap... But how many people actually believe in the supernatural? Alot of us say we are atheists, which would mean there is no room for the supernatural... But anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion should believe in the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. You can't have one without the other...
I prefer not to practice any religion, and I consider myself not to be of any denomination at all. Not agnostic, not atheist, just nothing. But I still do believe in the supernatural, in spite of that. There are things in this universe that don't need to be explained with religion or faith. There's always science, or a lack thereof, if you know what I mean by that. I beleive in ghosts, I strongly believe I've seen one or two, and lately, I've been trying to catch them on film, and record EVP. (putting my self at risk of having the rest of the forum laughing at me...) I also beleive in the existence of vampires, werewolves, aliens, and possibly zombies as well. I'm not saying they DO exist, but I beleive that somehow it's possible.
*Hyde prepares for the barrage of rotten tomatoes about to be thrown at him*
Actually, I haven't read IT, I just saw the film. But I saw Stephen King's version of The Shining, and then read the book, and I found the book hell lot of better than the film. Kubrick's version, on the other hand, it's teh rockrock.
Maybe it's just that I would do things other way than what they are. But the thing you said about it taking a big name to make a good film out of book, I don't think it's that. For example, I saw Carrie years ago, and I still have no idea who DePalma is. I shall investigate. But on the other hand, The Shining by Kubrick is good, because it's by Kubrick.
I do like many of King's ideas, but when the story goes on, they often turn silly (read: I wouldn't do it like that).
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Dreamcatcher: Okay, it all starts out nice, when suddenly... aliens?! What on Earth? That was my impression when I first saw it... though that might be because I when I saw the trailers, they gave me different image of what to expect.
IT: Okay, use silver earrings on slingshot. Use slingshot on Pennywise. It works! Eh...
And another. Use asthma pipe on Pennywise. It works too! What the??!
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Petey: It was supposed to be all about "beleiving", when it came to the silver earrings, and the asthma inhaler. "This is what will kill the thing of my nightmares"
You know, the one kid was having nightmares about the wolfman, and silver supposedly kills werewolves. As for the asthma inhaler, I don't have a clue where that came from. :P
I don't like splatter movies, but I kind of enjoy movies like the ring, the others and the shining, etc.
I remember there was a reason for the asthma inhaler, but it's been too long... (get it.... IT's been too long... bwahahaha)...
Sorry for my open blasphemy, Hyde, but I didn't say I didn't LIKE zombie movies.... I just said they weren't scary. As a matter of fact, I really liked the remake of Dawn of the Dead, not because it was scary (which it wasn't) but because it was a good movie. I especially liked the part where they were making a game of killing zombies from the rooftop ("Get that one! It looks like Oprah!" "No, no, get Richard Simmons over there!")...
And you and I are gonna have to compare notes sometime. I'm a little shady on aliens, but I've been studying all things "paranormal" for quite some time, and have pretty much come to the conclusion that I believe in alot of what you said you believed in, and, more importantly, WHY I believe in it... As for filming and getting EVP's, I've been doing that since 1991... You'll get no rotten tomatoes from this direction...
The Others! How could I forget that movie, I love it.
Sully: I see. I might as well go through my tapes to see if I could find IT somewhere, heh.
Also, I believe in supernatural, too. I'd like to encounter supernatural, but I probably would be really scared if I did. It's kind of like, when I was a kid, I found The X-Files very scary, because it had aliens, and the main theme is spooky (and they often advertised it on the telly at night, when it was dark... I'm afraid of the dark, you never know if there's something hiding in the shadows!). But I also wanted to watch it, because I found all the supernatural things interesting. It's still one of my favourite shows, ever. And Sully and esper, we shall became paranormal investigators!
Talking about aliens, I mentioned this mini series earlier in this thread, about alien abductions. It's not really horror, I guess, but it was horror enough for me when I was a kid. I couldn't sleep properly in ages because I was scared that aliens are coming to get me. Anyways.
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There was this family, I think, and the mother was abducted. She became pregnant (I think!), and later gave birth to a boy (again, I think! I just remember that there was a boy). The boy was abducted too, in one part. The aliens put implants into their victims' noses. The aliens (that looked pretty much like your typical alien, like in The X-Files, for example) could walk through the walls, as far as I remember. There was a part where a woman saw some workers parking their on this woman's lawn in the middle of the night. But when she approached them, they turned into aliens! The following day, there was no trace of a car, but the are where the car was seen was burnt.
Yeah, uhh, that's pretty much all I can remember. Anyone happen to know the name of the series?
I do believe in all kinds of supernatural things. I yeat have to see the ghosts, but I've heard them... Or actually, ghosts can't effect this world physcially, I think, so they must effect the mind to cause hallucinations and such. Sometimes I horrify myself by the amount of things I have been right about from the start, and nobody has believed me... I want to get a deck of tarot cards.
Alot of people say that things like Tarot cards and Ouija boards are a way to unwittingly invite evil supernatural influences into your life. I just say that if you don't know what you're doing, it's not even worth your time to screw with them. Tarot cards, despite popular belief, AREN'T really "supernatural..." The whole idea of the cards is to unlock subconscious ideas and to help you better understand what you REALLY think about a problem, deep down. It could take years and years of messing with them to figure out exactly what you are doing. The best deck (read: most popular and widely used) is the Rider-Waite tarot deck. If you really want to use the Cards, I suggest you just go to www.facade.com and let the computer randomize a reading for you. The best way to go is to suggest Rider-Waite tarot deck, Celtic Cross spread, reversals, no significator. They also do rune readings, Stichomancy (fortunetelling by selecting a random passage from some preselected book), I Ching (which is really a type of stichomancy, but more detailed), numerology (finding out what numbers are important to you, such as dates and lucky numbers) and biorythyms (which takes into account your birthdate to find out exactly when your body should be in "tune" with it's physical, intellectual, and spiritual attributes). All of this is REALLY not supernatural, but more about your subconscious thought. Some might even argue that Biorythyms are quite scientific.
Also with the "non-supernatural supernatural" category is dream interpretation. NEVER trust anyone who says they can discern your dreams. They don't understand you and the deepness that is your personality. Dreams are devised entirely within our subconscious, and thus should only be interpreted by you, yourself.
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Quote from: Corey on Wed 28/09/2005 07:35:10You all are just afraid that if you believe in Pennywise the nightmares will come back again
I seriously hope that you don't actually beleive that. :-\
mahahahaha no. im just joking. It's just a dialog of IT lol :)
Sorry for the late reply, Petteri - re Dreamcatcher, that plot-twist you described is, IMHO, a travesty. It's the final blow to a film that starts well and then veers off where the book as wise enough not to go. Also, what I meant about "big names" was not the fact that they WERE big, but the quality they carry with them. Brian DePalma is a pretty big name in the directing scene.
And re IT, Petteri, Mr. hyde has the right idea. King often turns to "why do certain symbols work". In kids, it's even easier because there's a lot more faith to go around. And once Father Calahan, in Salem's Lot, lost his faith, not even the cross could help him. That sort of thing.
I used to believe in ghosts and aliens, but not anymore. I've seen too many fakes (darn lensflare).
Most of the time things are just what they look like. Sure, there are things that can't be explained, now. But lightning couldn't be explained eighter and now we all know it's not an angry Zeus/Thor/God but just massive static electricity.
There is a "theory" that states that when someone dies, the electricity in the brain is discharged. This is kept togheter and can become self aware. This is the only sientific theory of ghosts.
Esper: I don't know what the supernatural has to do with religion, since that was around before [Name Your Messiah Here].
jet: My point is not that supernatural has anything to do with religion. It is that every religion is supernatural in and of itself, and if people claim to be religious, they should either believe in the possibility of the supernatural or just not believe in their religion. I can probably, if given enough time, come up with a quote from almost every "holy book" in existence that says to believe in the supernatural, yet most religions don't. I can quote about fifty or so passages from the Judeo Christian scriptures that say the paranormal is real, and yet a friend of mine who was going to seminary was recently kicked out after trying to explain he was having supernatural problems. Although the Bible references hundreds of supernatural events, beings, and instances, and although the work of Christians and Jews alike has, for thousands of years, contained grimoires of Kabbalistic and Ceremonial Magick, he was told "The only real demons in this world are drugs and alcohol." My point is, religion doesn't EXIST without the supernatural, and anyone who believes in a religion but not the existance of unexplainable phenomena that might very well be caused by intelligences outside this physical sphere is a hypocrite and a bloody moron.
And in reference to what you had said about the theory with the electricity, etc... According to the law of conservation of energy, Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only moved from one medium into another. People who use the theory you mentioned believe that the electrical impulses in the synapses of the brain are, after death, without a medium in which to transfer whatever their original purpose was. However, since it still exists, these electrical impulses can be converted by anyone entering their sphere of influence into what is known as an "unintelligent," "revenant," or "residual" haunt, where the events which were at one point in time represented by the electrical impulses in question are played back with limited or no interaction with the viewer.
I wasn't going supernatural with the cards, just to try to "see" the future, or something. Thanks for the link :)
Btw. What does "Cthulhu F'thagn" mean?
Quote from: jetxl on Wed 28/09/2005 13:47:07
I used to believe in ghosts and aliens, but not anymore.
Believe (http://www.jkcinema.com/gamesmov.asp?type=5).
Well, some of the stuff there is obviously fake, but fun to watch anyway.
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Quote from: Ishmael on Wed 28/09/2005 15:20:51
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Btw. What does "Cthulhu F'thagn" mean?
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Iä R'lyeh! Cthulhu fhtagn! Iä! Iä!
I think Lovecraft (http://www.hplovecraft.com) ment it as a charm to awake Cthulhu.
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It's what the main character said when he joined the Deep Ones in The Shadow over Innsmouth.
To be honest, I don't think The Shadow over Innsmouth was a good story. The main character first runs away from Innsmouth in horor and then later he finds out he's a Deep One himself. The part where the drunk is talking is really had to read, and keeps you out of the mood. In the biografie is says that Lovecraft didn't think much of the story too. That made me happy.
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Quote from: jetxl on Wed 28/09/2005 16:30:02
Iä R'lyeh! Cthulhu fhtagn! Iä! Iä!
are you trying to speak alien language ?? :P
Quote from: Corey on Wed 28/09/2005 17:32:22
are you trying to speak alien language ??Ã, :P
I think that's Latin. But not at all sure.
Quote from: Ishmael on Wed 28/09/2005 17:40:32I think that's Latin. But not at all sure.
Doesn't sound like Latin to me.
Hmm... You're probably right. There's "Ia Ia, Cthulhu F'thagn" (?) repeated on the beginning of a song, and it doesn't sound too latin, but... whatever. I still want to know what it means.
I don't think it means anything.
It means "Cthulu, baby! Have a lemon...that's it...now just go to sleep on this plate like a good boy."
Mmmmmn, calamari...
I'm pretty sure that means "Dead Cthulhu the Deathless ." (edit: Just flipped through the story again) I don't speak it, or anything, I've just been reading a bunch of Lovecraft recently. And no, it's not latin. It's a bunch of nonsense Lovecraft made up because he thought it would look neat, like an ancient language. Even HE didn't know how to pronounce any of it.
For a somewhat different take on Cthulhu, I highly recommend Neil Gaiman's story "I, Cthulhu." (http://www.neilgaiman.com/exclusive/essay07.asp) Any of his other Lovecraftian stories are good, too, but that one's free.
HoN
That's lovely... I loved the Shadow over Innsmouth, and apparently Jet does not like it. That shows that horror affect in a very different way to people. :D
The film that scared me most was "Saving private Ryan". Because I know that was true, whereas I know that dead girls can't pop out of TVs and such things. Maybe that is important for more people... the most realistic situation, the most scary the thing is...
Are you sure dead girls can't pop out of televisions? I saw in another forum specifically devoted to the horror genre that people watched the ring and were seeing Samara/Sadako all over the place. Of course, they weren't really seeing her, but they WERE, if you know what I mean. The human psyche is a weird thing. That's why the Ring is my vote for All-Time Scariest Movie. It didn't scare me when I watched it, but it sure did freak me out afterwards...
I'm not sure if Cthulhu F'thagn means anything that is set in stone, but some people say it means either Hail Cthulhu or Come, Cthulhu. The language in question is Nug-Soth, which Lovecraft invented. It's supposed to be a "mother language" that people were speaking before any set language came around. I don't think Lovecraft was a good writer by any means, or august Derleth or any of the others who continued the Cthulhu Mythos. However, I like the stories for multiple reasons...
1. I'm from Providence, originally, around which alot of his stories are set and where Lovecraft himself was from.
2. I think the element of madness is potentially more frightening than any other type of horror... As I said above, your mind can generate things that scare you a hundred times better than any movie director or author can.
3. I study all manner of subjects from religions, cultures, cryptozoology, the paranormal, the occult, and the supernatural. Although Lovecraft was a lousy writer, he was able to catch alot of things that were accurate. He didn't make up the idea of the Mythos, simply the Mythos itself. For example:
Ã, Ã, -Cthulhu is based on an ancient Sumerian god, whose name, KTULU, appears mistranslated in the King James Bible.
Ã, Ã, -Nyarlatothep draws comparisons to Pazuzu.
Ã, Ã, -Yog-Sothoth, "The Gate," is easily comparable to Abaddon/Appolyon, the angel that is supposedly keeper of the abyss who will release the four demons sealed away in the bowels of the earth at the end of time to wreak havoc on the world.
Ã, Ã, -The Inuit and Algonquin Indians tell of a beast called the Wendigo, which in their native tongue is Ithaquaa.
Ã, Ã, -Father Dagon, from the Cthulhu Mythos, like Ithaquaa, didn't even have his name changed. He is an ancient Canaanite god, mentioned in the bible many times.
Ã, Ã, -Dr. John Dee, court magician of Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500's, had a book called "Liber Logaeth," also known as the book of Enoch (not the same as the apocryphal Bible book) which almost directly correlates to Lovecraft's Necronomicon and its summonation of "Great Old Ones and their spawn."Ã, Ã,Â
The scariest film I have ever seen is Mulholland Drive by David Lynch, for one scene really. Just watch what happens after the guy talks about his nightmare at winkies.
*shudders at memory*
While we were on the subject: http://www.callofcthulhu.com/gameinfo/gameplay.html
Looks fun...
I stole this link from a horror board: http://waxy.org/random/view.php?type=video&filename=shining_redux.mov. Misleading Trailers: The Shining. Personally I find a lot of great and original horror movies have been coming from Korea lately.
I prefer horror and thriller books, not films...Films usually have only special effects and no story at all...Books have a more lasting impression on me because, if well written, they have better descriptions and deeper character backgrounds.
Quote from: esper on Thu 29/09/2005 08:03:59
That's why the Ring is my vote for All-Time Scariest Movie. Ã,Â
The reason I found it scary is that the heroes did all the right things that films and books say that should be done (in our case, discovering and "freeing" the spirit) and it turned out to have been the only wrong thing to do. Scary.
Quote from: [Cameron] on Thu 29/09/2005 09:15:21
The scariest film I have ever seen is Mulholland Drive by David Lynch, for one scene really. Just watch what happens after the guy talks about his nightmare at winkies.
*shudders at memory*
Yes, by far. My fiance wouldn't watch another David Lynch for months after that -- she wasn't sure if she existed.
Once you've figured out what's going on, the scene with the Spanish singer is the saddest and creepiest scene of the movie.
Though I haven't read that much King, I think I prefer Clive Barker to him.