honestly, how long is a N00b considered to be a new-bie before they become "normal" ???
It's all objective, there's no real answer. Every single person will have a different idea on whether someone is a newbie or not, and even then, there are varying dagrees of it.
Am i a noob??? :-\ :-\
It's really a matter of how someone acts...there are a few people, in my mind, who are forever noobies, and then there are those who aren't a newbie for very long. A lot of it has to do with whether or not you produce a game or help in the game making process. It also helps to be mature, most of the time, bouts of immaturity are fine and can be fun, just don't do it too much.
The people who I think move out of newbie status quickly are those who post something mature, well though out, and interesting.
Are you a newbie? I don't really know you, or recall something you've writen, and sought out for your insight in the forums. So, to me, the answer is yes. That doesn't mean I don't like you, that just means I haven't seen what you can give to the community. So show me/the community something that will make us respect and know who you are, and you will achieve the brotherhood you are looking for. And above all, don't piss people off. People might think you're a newbie, but that doesn't mean people don't like you, they just don't know you. There are some people, very rare, that aren't newbies, who don't hold much respect. So forget newbie and oldbie, just try to be a nice guy, and we'll like you.
-MillsJROSS
..........okay
Akumayo, you are not a noob.
at least... not in my books. But nobody reads my books anyway, so you can disregard me. Or not.
thank you Peter Thomas!!! Can I pick up your books at my local Barnes & Noble???
Quote from: Akumayo on Sun 01/08/2004 04:57:05
Am i a noob??? :-\ :-\
So long as you use smileys like that, yes :P
I believe you are referring to newbie rather than n00b. N00b is a derogatory term used to refer to spammers, screamers, and general idiots. A newbie is just someone new. Unfortunately, in some parts of the internet, especially in the more xenophoic communities, the terms are used interchangeabley, but they are seperate definitions.
oh, okay.... :P um, I mean : P
No your not N00b as that is a person who is flamebaiting
On the whole, a n00b can be considered somebody who is unable to string a paragraph of text together and instead uses txt-speak like 'ur'; or alternatively, someone whose posts never contain more than one sentence.
N00b is more of how a person presents themselves rather than a length of time.
for example writeing in lower case withuot puncuation is very n00b allso when you misspel w0rds and use net acranyms and smilys alot LOL OMG :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
However, a person can be here for about a week, post just a few posts using decent spelling and grammar, and manage to sound insightful. That's very un-noobish.
In my oppinion, a thread like this makes you a bit n00bish...
Why did you really have to post this? (although it is a bit intresting as to others definitions)
You're a Noob as long as you ask nooby questions ;)
Now you see, this got me to thinking.
There are some people that are not here for long, and i dont consider them n00bs, the first example is Dan Clarke.
Somehow he did a fast morphing from a newbie to a perfectly good member (I'm talking subjectively, but not patronising).
That may be because i think he made a lot of posts that make sense and mean something.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Sun 01/08/2004 06:14:56
N00b is more of how a person presents themselves rather than a length of time.
for example writeing in lower case withuot puncuation is very n00b allso when you misspel w0rds and use net acranyms and smilys alot LOL OMG :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
However, a person can be here for about a week, post just a few posts using decent spelling and grammar, and manage to sound insightful. That's very un-noobish.
Then I gues I'll be a newbie forewer. My speling stinks...
Oh yeah, and guys like viktor, who make a lot of effort don't look HARDCORE n00bs to me.
But seriously, this sounds like a n00b like patronising so i'll stop.
I resent the use of the word 'n00b'.
Quote from: Czar_RebornING on Sun 01/08/2004 11:08:05
Now you see, this got me to thinking.
There are some people that are not here for long, and i dont consider them n00bs, the first example is Dan Clarke.
Somehow he did a fast morphing from a newbie to a perfectly good member (I'm talking subjectively, but not patronising).
That may be because i think he made a lot of posts that make sense and mean something.
Yeah, I don't see him as a newbie as well. Hell, I probably joined the same time he did, but he's like a normal member to me because he's made wicked art in the Critic's Lounge and is making a game I'm looking very forward to.
I guess it's all a matter of the maturity you administer on each post you make. If you post without grammar, without clarity and without dignity ("WHO ARE U CALLING A N00bb?!!!), then yes, in my books, you're a n00b.
And to be honest with you, at the forums I used to visit a while ago, asking if you were a "n00b" automatically made you a complete "n00b"... but you're not one, so don't worry.
Another good example of a noob...
On a board I used to frequent, some new member showed up.Ã, First thing he did was start making false and quite nasty comments aimed at two long time users.Ã, If he'd paid attention to the fact we've been around a lot longer than he had, you figure we'd know when he's lieing through his teeth about someone.Ã, THEN he'd start lashing out at other members AND admin and was still brainless enough to demand to know where he went wrong.Ã, Time after time he acted as if the admin had no power over him and between that and his treatment of a handfull of users he got booted.Ã, I also add he did this all with TERRIBLE punctuation, netspeak, spelling, you name he did it wrong.Ã,Â
...or maybe it's more of a general idiot than a noob...Ã, Make your own calls on that.
That reminds me of a kid who has the sn Arcel, we called him arsehole after about a week.
N00B really depends on the forum. Old forums that are well established usually have tougher standerds, At the nationstates forums I was newb for 1 year. The reason for that was with over half a million members it takes awhile to stand out. The ags forums, although old and well established, is more like a family. Its a tight knit group. Just act mature and post responsibly and your in the family.
Now small and new forums is whole nother thing. At the Annihilation X forums, 400 member, I became a respected moderator within the first week as they had an rp forum and I was best rper due to my Nationstates expierence.
You can be a newb at other forums, but personaly I dont consider you an ags newb.
Seeing as ags is a very art and scripting intensive engine (hell, what else could it be?) I think how good you are at these two factors has quite an effect on how people interpret your "noob" status.
For example, someone who posts an image with poor jpeg compression is obviously not very experienced with computer art, therefor being labled a "noob".
;)
Also because AGS is game-centric you can't really be anything but a newbie if, like me, you have yet to finish your first game.
Well, I never looked at myself as a noob until that post, Ali, thanks a lot. .... *insert sarcasm here* :)
Personally, I sometimes go back and read my posts, and realize I sounded like a jerk. I guess its just how I write. I use vocal inflection a LOT in regular speech, so when you can't hear what I'm saying, its hard to get my meaning.
Who was it over in the Games in Production forum who posted four games in a day, but obviously wasn't putting any effort into it? That's a very noobish thing to do around here, but I think he's been forgiven.
Quote from: LostTraveler on Sun 01/08/2004 16:44:13
The ags forums, although old and well established, is more like a family.
I gues your right. Your just like a brother to me. ;)
I don't like the word noob to much. I think that it is ofensiwe my self.
The definision of a newbie is difrent from forum to forum (as already said). I'm a member on a magic the gathering forum. It's slovenian. And hell no I'm not a newbie anymore. Thank god. People realy act ofensive to new members on that forum. The whole forum, even the moderators, should buy a book on good behawior. I can gladly say that the AGS forum is probably the most well behawed forum I've ewer been on. So... ...yeah!
Quote from: Ali on Sun 01/08/2004 20:35:59
Also because AGS is game-centric you can't really be anything but a newbie if, like me, you have yet to finish your first game.
You calling Chris a newbie then?
QuoteYou calling Chris a newbie then?
Well then, what about the game of the games??
THE DEMO QUEST!!!
Thats no game, merely a tech demo :P
I agree that this forum is a family compared to the one I was in before.
There were three types of members in the forum I used to frequent; regs (regulars), midents (mid-popularity users), and n00bs. To make it even worse, there were high regs, low midents, medium n00bs, etc. And after a few years since the forum's creation, there were first-generation regs, second-generation regs, and up until the forth generation before the popularity system ended.
I was lucky to have joined the forum six months after it was created, and was called a mid second-generation reg. Others weren't as lucky to have joined so early, and they were the ones who were ridiculed or ignored when they asked a single question.
Quote from: Akumayo on Sun 01/08/2004 04:44:07
honestly, how long is a N00b considered to be a new-bie before they become "normal" ???
You're not a n00b when I show up in your driveway like Ray Leotta in "Good Fella's"
-Gestapo
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Sun 01/08/2004 21:21:49
You calling Chris a newbie then?
Yes I am ... apparently.
No, I only meant that lots of AGSers are well known for games as well as music and graphics so having made a good game seems to contibute to becoming an established member. I believe the technical term is denewbification.
Whether or not you've ever made a game has very little to do with your status of "noobiness" (I made a word!)
M0ds has yet to complete a game, yet he's a moderator and has songs written about.
Cornjob never completed a game of his own, and still got the first AGS Lifetime Achievement award.
I've never made a game, but I'm fairly certain I'm not a newb. (fingers crossed)
My guide to whether or not you're a newbie is if I can remember other things you've posted and maybe some things about you. Dart stopped being a newbie really quickly in my mind because she mentioned she lived in Ontario, and I do as well. So I started paying attention to her posts. Jet-XL, though he's been around a long time, only recently stopped seeming newbish to me. Unfortunatly, that corresponded to when he added the jiggling boobs to his signature.
It's subjective, don't worry about it. Just be clever and all is well.
well, i see people as a noob when they use too many acronyms(lol, imo, omfg and so) and when they make more than 10 posts everyday + 1337 speaking :P
If person is familiar with AGS and (s)he can make stuff in it that requires scripting (for example) and knows the basics, (s)he is not a newbie in AGS.
If person has helped other people with their games, attended meeting (Mittens, Brittens), is respected in community, gets along with other people in community or behaves in matury way, (s)he is not a newbie in community.
If person joined the community few seconds ago, (s)he is a newbie.
If person annoys everyone, doesn't read forum rules and acts like an idiot etc. he is a n00b, no matter how long he has been a member of community.
That's how I see it.
Quote from: DragonRose on Mon 02/08/2004 13:02:57
Whether or not you've ever made a game has very little to do with your status of "noobiness" (I made a word!)
M0ds has yet to complete a game, yet he's a moderator and has songs written about.
Cornjob never completed a game of his own, and still got the first AGS Lifetime Achievement award.
I've never made a game, but I'm fairly certain I'm not a newb. (fingers crossed)
You're right, sorry! Clearly I was wrong. I would add an embarrassed smiley, but tiny disembodied heads worry me. Please disregard everything I have said, am saying and ever might say.
Quote from: Petteri on Mon 02/08/2004 13:56:44
If person has helped other people with their games, attended meeting (Mittens, Brittens), is respected in community, gets along with other people in community or behaves in matury way, (s)he is not a newbie in community.
I get... one or two points? And do I get along with people?
Anyway, I agree with Pete here...
It doens't matter how much posts you have, how long you've been around, how many games you've made... It's just how you know the community, it's rules, AGS and such things...
I would have to agree with most of the posts here, but I have a few things of my own to add. The following is pieced together from various forums and various messages contained in those forums. Here we go:
Blitzerland's Unabridged Guide to Spotting N00bs
1.) If they utilize chatspeak in any way (unless in a chat program, of course), they are probably a n00b.
2.) If they post incredibly stupid and wishful ideas in the "In Production" forum (go read the 'item collector' thread there).
3.) If they do not know how to make games, have never read the tutorials, and yet they still put-down others games (to make themselves look better), they are n00bs.
4.) If they are (as punaman was clever enough to point out) unable to compatently string together sentances, they are a n00b.
5.) Excessive usage of smilies in conjunction with chatspeak (LOLÃ, :o OMGÃ, Ã, ;D i am so l33TÃ, ;) :D :) >:( ;D)
6.) You get the hang of it.
Quote from: Blitzerland on Mon 02/08/2004 19:37:15
4.) If they are (as punaman was clever enough to point out) unable to compatently string together sentances, they are a n00b.
5.) Excessive usage of smilies in conjunction with chatspeak (LOLÃ, :o OMGÃ, Ã, ;D i am so l33TÃ, ;) :D :) >:( ;D)
disagree with these two, A) not everyone is english and I commend the rest of Europe and other places for how well even the younger generation speaking English (I cant Speak a word of Hebrew but Ginny and highwayGal for example can speak perfect English.) and B) its 1337, not l33t.. n00bÃ, ;D
disclaimer: B was a joke, please dont take offence.
Quote from: DragonRose on Mon 02/08/2004 13:02:57
Cornjob never completed a game of his own, and still got the first AGS Lifetime Achievement award.
I Spy???
Different people will say you're a noob or not depending on when they joined themselves.
I guess you will always see people who joined after you as sort of "new", and the people before you as very old in the game, although it's sometimes just a matter of months or even weeks.
Generally, the chief factor is how many times you've seen the member's name in relation to something that is good.
A good post, a good game, etc, signed by the member, will help reducing the noob-factor.
Don't ponder too much about it, just be yourself, try to help people and don't overpost. Rather work on something creative than strain yourself to appear in every thread.
It might be interesting to enable some sort of karma system to enable people to vote others as "n00b" or "wise", or some such. Or on the other hand, that might just end in carnage. :P
I say we start up a poll to determine what system we should implement to determine people's levels of n00b-ness!
Am I smart or what?
IMO, newbies are considered as such because of the following:
1. They make at least 6 posts per day. (amounts may vary)
2. They usually don't write more that one sentence in one post, and that sentence is a cryptic mess of misspellings and exclamation marks with ones mixed in.
3. They use an unnecessary amount of emoticons.
Actually, you could just condense all that above into this:
- They don't have anything extremely intelligent to say.
P.S. I'm still a newbie. :)
QuoteI say we start up a poll to determine what system we should implement to determine people's levels of n00b-ness!
Excellent - there's no better way to ignore popular opinion than by holding a poll!
I say we sticky a thread entitled: "THE BIG LIST OF AGS NEWBIES", that way people can find out what thread is worth reading. I dont see the point in karma, people might lower others out of spite.
Quote from: LostTravelerI dont see the point in karma, people might lower others out of spite.
Spite? We're all one big loving family here! *Shoves LostTraveler* Don't say stuff like that again, or else!
:D
Hmm, well I personally think a newb is a newb until he shows off a skill I am in awe of. I still try to help those I feel are newbs, I simply label them newb while doing so.
Edited for Hotspot's general well-being and sanity.
heh....
tiki is getting his definitions confused, as are a few others.
A n0Ob is someone that has been playing/using something for awhile, and may of even become average skilled or have some skill with said thing, but still acts like a complete tw-at and idiot. Someone who refuses to learn might be a good way of putting it (in some contexts, not really AGS, but games like Natural Selection etc, where team work is required.)
HOTSPOT'S RESPONSE TO MY FINDING NOOBS GUIDE:
disagree with these two, A) not everyone is english and I commend the rest of Europe and other places for how well even the younger generation speaking English (I cant Speak a word of Hebrew but Ginny and highwayGal for example can speak perfect English.) and B) its 1337, not l33t.. n00b ;D
disclaimer: B was a joke, please dont take offence.
Quote
I take no offense. Yes, I am very n00bish when it comes to being a n00b.
Just... report 3-4 bugs* in latest AGS version.
* CJ must respond with at least "...well spotted, I'll get it fixed in next version..."
N00b? Newbie? who?!
whoa! :D
There are no noobs, only Zuul.
Hmmm.. Newbies use a lot of acronyms and lack the abilty to spell sentances correctly? EEK! I'm starting to be scared here...
Heh... :P
It's not long since LostTraveler joined the community, but I don't see him as a newbie anymore... it's just a matter of behavior, there is no actual formula for spotting newbies, IMO.