Smoking ban UK

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Pumaman

Quote from: Nikolas on Thu 05/07/2007 21:38:27
Ok, but instead of having everyone deciding what is too fast, which is hugely dangerous, believe me (I've driven in Syria... brrrrrr), the state sets the rules.

And yet in Germany there are a lot of motorways with no speed limit, and as I recall they have a better safety record than those in the UK.

Anyway, I realise that we're wildly off topic for this thread so I think we can just jump ahead and reach the same conclusion that speed limits are a useful guide but shouldn't be blindly obeyed.

QuoteWhat to do? Either way he has a really bad health. Deprive him of "all" happiness? To get a few more... days/weeks/months/maybe years? Give him all he wants and "kill him early"?

If it was me, I'd like to die fat and happy. I've had several elderly relations who have languished in a nursing home or hospital for a few years, with zero quality of life, until their inevitable death. Today's health service seems so hell bent on proving that they CAN keep people alive, they don't seem to stop to think about whether they SHOULD.

Nikolas

Quote from: Pumaman on Fri 06/07/2007 20:12:41
Anyway, I realise that we're wildly off topic for this thread so I think we can just jump ahead and reach the same conclusion that speed limits are a useful guide but shouldn't be blindly obeyed.
Thanks and I agree :D

QuoteIf it was me, I'd like to die fat and happy. I've had several elderly relations who have languished in a nursing home or hospital for a few years, with zero quality of life, until their inevitable death. Today's health service seems so hell bent on proving that they CAN keep people alive, they don't seem to stop to think about whether they SHOULD.
The only problems I see is that:

a. My wife will suffer from an early death of her father. He is 60-61 years old. He could have an extra 20 years, that's a hell of a lot of years to miss your father... :-/
b. With better health he might have a more peaceful death (what Adam was saying). Going of old age, seems to be the "best" death. But having an extra heart attack, or cancer, or whatever else seems wildely more suffering than old age death... As Adam said, I don't think I could bare the look of him asking for morphine, by writing, and he is my father in law, not my real father, imagine his daugthers, wives, etc...

It is a very delicate balance here, cause I really see your point and I do agree as well... Fading out of life for a few years, without anyone to care for you around, is really awful as well.

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