So....
I'm in charge of the finances of a small club. Now there's this guy whom the club owes money. The problem is that the club owes him about $50, whereas he claims that he should receive $100. He has no tickets or anything to back up his claim, and research proves that he's simply dead wrong (e.g. a declaration for travel expenses can be double-checked on the internet based on distance traveled and the price of gasoline).
Now this guy has an intimidating personality, cannot be reasoned with, and has threatened to beat me up unless I pay immediately.
I would like to hear some opinions on how to deal with this.
File harassment charges against him and get a restraining order, and then he'll just sue you for his money which he won't get. Take him to court. If he doesn't have any evidence to prove his claim then he can't get the money.
Hmm :/
Well the fact that he has not yet and only threatened to, while irrational still, at least shows this guy has some restraint or is simply making empty threats.
Is he a performer? some kind of vendor for the club? If either is the case I would perhaps mention that if he were to beat you up and word got out about the way he handles his professional life, he may have a rather hard time finding work in the future, which would make the $50 seem like nothing if he cannot make more money after his proposed shenanigans.
Other than that, I don't suppose the police or threat of harassment charges would help any?
Radiant, don't lie buddy!
YOU STILL OWE ME $50!
Now you'll be paying out of the toilet bowl (with your head in it of course).
But no, seriously. I wouldn't worry about me him. Just mention that you're doing your job right.
(Don't forget to come back here and show us the before and after pictures of your face... haha Nah he won't touch you.)
Besides the fact that you still owe me $75 (not counting the night we'll spend together in Boston), I say beat the shit out of him and teach him a lesson for being a bully and thinking you're lower than he is on the food chain.
Although it's easy for me to say since I've never done such a thing.
Yet.
--Snake
Two words:
Mr. Miagi
But seriously ... this is a tricky situation. Usually in situations like this I try to talk my way out of a fight. Say things that lead the conversation to a place that makes him look stupid and ignorant if he fights you. For example, "We've proven that you were wrong. If you're not a big enough man to own up to being wrong and can only solve your problems with violence well that's up to you" This has worked for me before ... but fair warning, it can back-fire if he's just an ignorant f**k all and doesn't give a shit.
I will always try to avoid a fight ... but sometimes there just aren't enough words.
Best of luck.
Tell him you'll gladly pay the full amount if he provides receipts. If the problem persists, alert your members and see if you can fund raise the $50 he says you owe him.
Are you in college? You might be able to do this. Atleast it works for me in the US... Call Dominos Pizza & other pizza places. Ask to speak to the regional manager. Tell the manager that you are with a local school club and ask if he can donate some pizzas.
Most places donate but have a silly process like faxing in advance, or being the first to make a request for the month. They generally have a quota and receive a tax break if they donate for educational purposes. Try to get the pizzas in time for an event you can advertise. If there's not many people in your club put up fliers around campus advertising a movie & pizza night or something. You could do this a few ways. You could make the pizza free and ask for donations. Or you could charge fifty cents a slice.
Call the event something witty like "Help me not get the shit kicked out of me" fundraiser. People may think its funny and throw you a couple bucks. Especially if you're giving them something like pizza. A tleast your members will get something out of it, rather than just taking from the overall budget...
/me pees on Radiant's rug.
Pietter, don' t take Darth Mandarb' s post into consideration. He is like 2,05 metres tall, his attitudes in front of a possible fight are not the same that the ones you and me could have!
Petter,
I really don't know what to say.
My nature is to back down in every chance of a fight. I've never had a fight in my life. I... run away or something. I don't see the reason to stand a fight for silly things. But I've never been challenged over serious issues really (like $50 for example).
you've seen me, I'm quite big, enormous really, due to fat and height! ;D After my training in the military police, I don't have much trouble being aggressive really, it's a 2nd nature to me, honestly...
But in your case...
Dunno really... I mean any "clerk", or "receptionist" or anyone is safe in the uk, so Holland would be the same. Where do you work, do you work all alone in a room, without anybody anywhere? you can always stand up to him and in trouble call for help. There must be other people you can notify that in case of danger you will call.
What is your situation exactly, location wise? If you are working with 3 people, for example, you are immediately 3 to 1, fuck him. If you hate the other two, you might have a bit of trouble...
Giving in to an unreasonable request can lead to more trouble: "hey! This dumbass gave me the $50! Let's go for more"... Not giving in will end it eventually, since he wants money, not to get into fight. Even if you get beaten up once, chances are it won't happen again... At least imho.
Good luck mate.
So is he in the room right now watching this thread over your shoulder, or is he going to beat you up when he comes back? If it's the latter, I would advise you to lock your door.
(serious response: approach him with a couple of your superiors, and get it fixed.)
Seriously guys... Do you believe that Radiant is stupid?
:)
All you said "Ask help to your workmates", "It won' t happen anything", "Pay the money"... Is pretty... ovbious. I am sure he thought in all those possibilities, and found them unrealistic, since he decided to post here.
So... Allow uncle Nacho to give some real sollutions:
You need to get a dial of ethorphine hydrochloride.
You need to find a transport. A van should be great.
You need to create a quiet, discreet, sterile place to proceed.
A machete.
When you have all that, call or PM me.
or failing that give c_lex a call ;)
I presume he knows he will be kicked out of said club if he incites violence upon you? I presume you have the backing of the other clubs members? To be honest I'd just warn him he won't get any returns if he's going to act like a prick. And if that angers him more, just tell him you'll pass the matter onto the police. That should shut him up. Just make some law abiding threats in return if it really gets nasty.
Also, people shouldn't be able to claim any money back unless they have a receipt anyway, so I don't know why you're even bothering to fork out cash for someone who's led you to have to research how much you owe him.
I guess the problem here is that Radiant is afraid of getting hurt.
Fair enough, I feel like that when somebody wants to brake my face.
My wife and me run a small coffee shop and I get (from time to time) some hassle with the local gypsys.
Ok, as soon as they walk inside the place I get really nervous, I start to sweat, and I don't look friendly at all. They mean trouble, and they can get violent.
This one time, one gypsy didn't wan't to pay, he was saying that what I gave him wasn't good ( not true ), and I said:
- You asked for that, I gave you that and now you pay for that!
The man starts going about how I shouldn't mess with him, that he would kick the s... out of me and stuff!
Then I grabbed a 70cm metal bar that I keep for special ocasions and waved it at him in a mennacing way!
Me: Grrrrr!
Honestlly, I did that and allways will, if somebody wants to hit me, then he'll have to know that I'll fuc.... hurt him as bad as I can! And I will!
So, my advice Radiant is that the next time he comes for money, you just show him your metal bar and tell him to f... off!
Now, how mature was this post?
The gypsy kept talking and threatning me but as I expected he didn't do anything and left!
The age old truth: "No gypsy dare where the metal bar waves in the air."
I didn't see mention of this advice.. so excuse me if it was said already.
If someone's threatening me in my shop, I just threaten to call the police if they don't leave the premises, and that they're banned. If they still don't move I pick up my phone and that always does the trick.
I don't really know what you mean by a club exactly, but anyone who is abusive to me in my shop instantly loses any rights they previously had to refunds etc.
You can beat the shit out of him.I'm a short and thin guy yet i've damaged people who dared to mess with me. Maybe you can;t punch him out ,but think better. What items are around to pick up and use against him. A monitor can deal immense damage for example. Or you can repeatedly hit him in the balls. despite the last being the gay way.
Just tell him you had his mum last night and from now on he has to call you Dad!
And if he won't shut up send him to his room without supper.
Offer him the money you owe. Don't try to reason with him or listen to him. Just repeat over and over that you'll give him the correct amount of money and that he's not going to beat you up. If he punch or kicks you, you can report it to the police.
Don't give the guy the damn money unless it really belongs to him.
Tell him you Really want to give him the money but unless he gives you receipts there is nothing you can do. Your description of the event is a little vague though. So it's hard to know exactly what is going on here.
Like if this 'company' isn't yours, you can always go with: "I don't want to lose my job. Take it up with my boss because there isn't anything else I can do for you. I'm sorry."
This works great if you don't like your boss. You'll send the starving pit bull into his direction.
My problem when I was younger, (6 years ago) when I worked at a grocery store, was that I didn't stand my ground. Sometimes the customer IS wrong, and sometimes they want to take that humiliating feeling out on you by making you look bad. Or sometimes they are just liars and pricks.
I can recall this one moment. I was actually working on the cash register scanning people's items and handling the dough. This one customer came in and bought a whole buggy worth of groceries. It came to around $130. He wanted to pay with a cheque (at that time people could pay with them only if their phone number was local).
I punched the number into the computer and it came up beeping. Saying something weird and unknown, something like 'invalid. error'. So I assumed that his phone number was black listed (meaning his cheques were made of rubber and his bank account held a Zero status) -- that was the first time I had seen that message.
He gave me some spiel about how he had talked to the Manager and she said she was going to take care of it (used her name and everything. I think I even recognized him from school but couldn't tell you who he was). I weighing out the alternatives; either I put all his groceries and the frozen foods back to where they belong or I take his word for it.
Turns out a week later I was told that his cheque didn't come through. Because I believed him (and I was lazy), I accepted the $130 debt to the company.
This doesn't really relate. Kind of, but not really. All I'm saying is that some people lie to employees of a company to get money, because they know the money isn't the employees.
Call the authorities or take the beating. That's about it, I think.
Bt
Quote from: Ryan Timothy on Fri 06/06/2008 23:37:18
Don't give the guy the damn money unless it really belongs to him.
Well, it doesn't, but somebody else decided to pay him out of his own pocket, just to shut him up.
Other than that, he's no longer welcome in the cafe where this took place, and I informed the police. I suppose that's the end of the story, then.
Glad you didn't get harmed, there are too many cool games you still need to make ;D
listen to bastard wants to hit me by they might be giants