Hackers.
Man, I must have really been out of the loop in the early 90's, cause all I remember about being into computers was getting looks of mild disgust when I mentioned them.
Where were all the wild parties and women that looked like Angelina Jolie?
Dang.
My elite alias is Radical Ranger.
Is that the one with The Funky Villain on a Skateboard who looks like he floats when he moves? And something about Da Vinci? That's all I can remember.
I REALLY wish I could laugh at that film. But it just makes me REALLY angry. I HATE it with its deeply un-sympathetic charcters who are presumably some hollywood film writer's idea of what computer users think is cool (pvc dungarees with roller blades?!?!?!) and it's general lack of understanding of ANY theme it touches on.
I quite like the fact that the plot pivots on the sinking of an oil liner, but features only half a second of stock footage of the liner going through a wave.
No expense spared eh?
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You just listed all the reasons why the movie is FUNNY!!! ;D
It is funny, but not "ha-ha" funny.
It's kind of painfully funny. I actually saw that movie when it came out and thought that movie's couldn't get much lower. I don't think they have, really.
Hackers has about the same relationship to real hackers as Air Force One has to real presidents.
Or U571 to the real british soldiers who died so that we could break the enigma code during world war 2.
Only that's much MUCH more disrespectful, and sort of like the re-writing of history you might find in the book 1984.
Mind you, 1984 is a really dull book. It's kind of like Hamlet... Really boring, but very handy to be able to say you've read.
Hackers sucked.Ã, I just didn't like it at all.
Hollywood can, every now and then, get something right.Ã, But this is a prime example of them getting it sooooo very wrong.
I knew/know a lot of people who were/are hackers ... and they're NOTHING like that.
I think it's like Rebel without a Cause how they made the motorcycle gangs appear ... totally feeding off of a stereo type of how the masses envision those people.
Most of the hackers I knew were usually slobby, unshaven, and slightly over weight guys who stayed up all night drinking Jolt cola trying desperately to break into a local bank's computer network (and usually failing).Ã, If these same guys ever met somebody who looked like Angelina Jolie they would have squeaked and run away gripping their crotches!!
At least it isn't as bad as Swordfish... that movie was TERRIBLE. I mean, to make sure the guy is a good hacker, they make him hack some system in 60 seconds, in front of them, while he's getting an oral service from some chick underneath the table.
...The hell?
If you guys want to see a more or less realistic (and good) hacker movie, look for '23'. It's a german movie, so I don't know if there's an english version, but for a german movie it's really good... Based on a real story, and featuring the "Illuminatus!" conspiracy theory!
But, as for 'Hackers', I found it so bad that I just had to keep watching... (Well, maybe Angelina Jolie helped a bit preventing me from switching off). Reminded me of the somehow similarly crappy 'Tron' (At least Tron had better special effects)
Don't diss Tron! heh. I remember playing the Tron Lightcycles game it's so Addictive,
Back on Topic, It's awhile since I saw it but I thought it was Fairly comical in it's rubbishness, kind of like the Jerkiness of B-Movie special effects (The Terminator 1 Skeleton scene, THAT was funny.)
See at Hackers II too. It's EVEN worse.
It's quite hilarious - even offending how these Hollywood guys picture hackers, crackers, computer and cyberpunk related people overall, etc to world.
It seems like they all should have nose rings, rainbow colored punkstyle hair and rollerskates. And men should look extremely gay. And dance every night at some warehouse to something Hollywood considers "rave" but really isn't one. Isn't anything, really. Not music.
Yuck.
Meph - since you were born the year Terminator 2 came out (which really started the whole CGI craze)... I think perhaps you don't appreciate the Terminator's special effects :)
That scene was really quite something back when the movie came out. Ã, Before computers were used extensively in movies, Stop Motion was all the rage!
Man... I love the special effects of Terminator 1, ESPECIALLY the factory scene at the end. The mixture of animatronic and stop motion effects is brilliant. Ahhh, good old Stan Winston.
I remember seeing Terminator 2 in the theaters (Though I was quite young at the time), and just thinking the special effects were amazing. They still are.
For reasons I can't remember exactly, I hate that movie, Hackers. And I agree it made me more angry than humoured :P And had he been in it, Dan Akroyd wouldn't have ruined that movie, the movie would have ruined him!
Still, my best friend loves that movie so I'll let you off Rodey. But movies don't get much funnier without Dan!
;)
Heh, I love that movie. You could apply it to anything...Surfing...acting...tortoise juggling...pretty much ANYTHING except computer hacking.
But part of why I love is it's complete disregard for reality. Reality sucks, who wants to make movies about that? This is much more interesting.
Quote from: midis on Mon 16/08/2004 22:15:48
And had he been in it, Dan Akroyd wouldn't have ruined that movie, the movie would have ruined him!
;)
He would've beat the movie at ruining him by a good five years.
Oh snap!!
I don't really understand what either Mod... er... Midis or Pesty were saying, but for the record, this is what I meant:
The movie was terrible, and thus funny, and also Dan Aykroyd is one of the funniest people ever.
That should be clearer.
Quote from: Mephistophilis on Mon 16/08/2004 19:12:37
Don't diss Tron! heh. I remember playing the Tron Lightcycles game it's so Addictive,
Back on Topic, It's awhile since I saw it but I thought it was Fairly comical in it's rubbishness, kind of like the Jerkiness of B-Movie special effects (The Terminator 1 Skeleton scene, THAT was funny.)
Meph doesn't know what he's talking about :=
I actually like the T1 special effects better than the others. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think CGI is all that impressive anymore. It's just "Mehh, I know how they did that.. WITH CGI!!!" because everything is done that way now. Back in the day, they actually had to BUILD stuff..
So.. Hackers... Never seen it.
Quote from: rodekill on Tue 17/08/2004 00:42:03
The movie was terrible, and thus funny, and also Dan Aykroyd is one of the funniest people ever.
That should be clearer.
Did you ever see "Sneakers" with Dan Akyrod and Robert Redford? More hacker madness from the 90's!
As for special effects......
Stan Winston is a genius. We wouldn't have good looking special effects if he didn't make them. People like him, Gene Warren Jr. at Fantasy, or Richard Edlund..... they made the industry standards for what we judge as good special effects.
And let's not forget the king, Ray Harryhausen. Hail to the king, baby.
Bt
Quote from: rodekill on Tue 17/08/2004 00:42:03
I don't really understand what either Mod... er... Midis or Pesty were saying, but for the record, this is what I meant:
The movie was terrible, and thus funny, and also Dan Aykroyd is one of the funniest people ever.
That should be clearer.
I was making a joke. I loved that movie Trading Places and find Dan Aykroyd very funny. I just couldn't let a line like that pass me by.
And by that I mean "OMG DAN ARKOID SUXX LOLOLOLLORZ".
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 16/08/2004 16:50:57
I think it's like Rebel without a Cause how they made the motorcycle gangs appear ... totally feeding off of a stereo type of how the masses envision those people.
I should point out that the director of Rebel Without a Cause, Nicholas Ray, researched the movie by riding around with several LA gangs, so it's not exactly feeding off a stereotype of how people envision them. Also, the film used one or two real gang members to teach other James Dean how to street fight. If anything, RWAC is a more accurate movie than most.
Check it out here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048545/trivia
Also, I can't remember many motorcycle gangs in the mvoie. From memory, most of them drove around in souped-up cars.
But most Hacker-like movie aren't very accurate.
I remember The Net with Sandra Bullock. There was a scene in the beginning where she was playing Wolfenstein 3D while on the phone to some guy telling her it was such a violent game and that the kinds would love it.
And that time, Doom was already out.
Also, I don't remember any virus being uploaded when you press a certain button, but maybe I had an older version.
Let that be a lesson to you: Wolfenstein is spyware!
Another sign of how evil the Nazis were!
Quote from: DGMacphee on Tue 17/08/2004 02:49:07
I should point out that the director of Rebel Without a Cause, Nicholas Ray, researched the movie by riding around with several LA gangs, so it's not exactly feeding off a stereotype of how people envision them. Also, the film used one or two real gang members to teach other James Dean how to street fight. If anything, RWAC is a more accurate movie than most.
Hmmm ... I must be thinking of another movie??Ã, My knowledge of movies doesn't go back much further than the 70's unfortunately.Ã, I'll dig for the movie I'm thinking of.
And yes ... Nazi's are evil!!
Quote from: DGMacphee on Tue 17/08/2004 02:49:07
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 16/08/2004 16:50:57
I think it's like Rebel without a Cause how they made the motorcycle gangs appear ... totally feeding off of a stereo type of how the masses envision those people.
I should point out that the director of Rebel Without a Cause, Nicholas Ray, researched the movie by riding around with several LA gangs, so it's not exactly feeding off a stereotype of how people envision them. Also, the film used one or two real gang members to teach other James Dean how to street fight. If anything, RWAC is a more accurate movie than most.
You also have to take into account how exposition and character development of movies in the 1960's was handled. Rebel condensed a lot of teen angst into one day and night. Now a days, that film would be told over, most likely, a set of days or weeks.
Bt
Hack the Planet !
I only saw the the end part of The Net D: but it seemed decent-ish (and it is kind of true that in the future, with ID cards and all coming, it might one day be possible to just... 'delete' someone.)
Quote from: Hotspot on Tue 17/08/2004 09:18:52
I only saw the the end part of The Net D: but it seemed decent-ish (and it is kind of true that in the future, with ID cards and all coming, it might one day be possible to just... 'delete' someone.)
The Net makes Howard the Duck look like Citizen Kane.
Hackers is funny. I enjoy it, even though i know its actually nothing like real hacking.
Sneakers was a bit more realistic. Operation Takedown was even more realistic.
Howard the Duck.. Now.. That was a good movie.
Quote from: Pesty on Tue 17/08/2004 09:53:45
The Net makes Howard the Duck look like Citizen Kane.
Howard the Duck
IS Citizen Kane. Can'tcha see? :=
Bt