"If I Were The Devil" -Paul Harvey

[MrColossal]

"For Pete's sake... What does it even matter? Where is this even going?"

I asked Rharpe a question and he answered it, it matters because I asked a question. Where this is going is Rharpe will tell me he feels I'm amoral and hopefully he'll answer my question and we'll have a conversation. If you tire of the thread you don't have to read it.

[DGMacphee]

hey eric, i think rharpe has won this round. you'd better give up because his obviously superior defense of his beliefs is all-powerful compared to your logic and facts.

[esper]

I'm not talking about the "ten questions," or your answering of them. I'm not tired of the thread. I always enjoy an oportunity to discuss these things. If you had read my post, rather than just picking something that you felt you can easily piss on like you normally do, you might have seen I explained what I found to be going in no reasonable direction. If you want to have a personal conversation with rharpe, do so in PM. However, since this is a public forum, let people talk without vomitting on them. I see no reason why, unless I'm breaking the rules, that what I said should be a problem. Not to mention, I'm agreeing with you (mostly).

Now then, as I was saying, these ten things have nothing to do with morals, or whether one is all koshered up in the sight of God. Like I also said, there are some "evil" people that would hold to this code of morals very closely, and alot of "good" people that might deviate here or there, or everywhere. Adolph Hitler probably adhered to these things pretty closely. And like I said, whenever the preacher's conference is in town, the printer on my desk at work spits out "Anal Slaves IV: Latex Lovers" all night long.

Here's a list of questions for you...

Is it wrong to force a 13-year girl old to marry a 40 year old man? Is it wrong for that man to be in some way related to her? Is it wrong for you to have sex with a girl and claim that that is your "marriage?" Is it wrong to be a polygamist?

Read the Bible. Mary was very young, probably 13-15. If you read the geneologies of Jesus given in two different gospels, you will see they are slightly different, but not too terribly different. The reason for the difference is because one is Mary's and one is Joseph's. The ancient Hebrews' "marriage ceremony" was simply a promising of the girl to the man. They weren't married until they had sex, as is evidenced by the bringing of bloody sheets to the parents. Mary was most likely only one of Joseph's wives, as they were still doing the polygamy thing that happened so frequently in the Old Testament at the time... 

[MrColossal]

Vomit and piss, eh?

I didn't say this was a private conversation and I didn't say you couldn't post, all I was saying is that if you think this is going in "no reasonable direction" then you are wrong and I told you why. "What does it even matter?" It matters to me, the first of what you wrote was insulting to me, I guess I don't get the right to comment on that then without pissing or vomiting.

Now please, continue disliking me if you want! Big mean ol' eric! RRR!

Or how about we just chalk this up to a misunderstanding and forget about it? My personal choice.

[En garde!]

-Sigh- I'm not a religious person, but my morality derives from the one that most of the western civilizatiion (including non-fundie religions) has nowadays: good old humanism.

Basically it's a moral system based on reason, logic and the natural empathy we are able to feel for others. One of its tenets is, of course, not harming other people. Having consensual sex with another adult is harmful to any of us? Is there a logical reason not to?

Then it's alright.

Another tenet is not really caring for race, religion, or, of course, sexual preference of other people. In that case I would consider myself, humanistically, more moral than a homophobe.

I would be, of course, in a paulharveyan way, less moral than him. But basically I win because my moral derives from logic and his from... craziness, I guess.

[esper]

Cool. I meant no initial insult. My entire meaning was that rharpe wasn't helping his argument out with that list, since I could be a murderer and a proponent of celibacy at the same time.

Did I already point you to www.godhatesfags.com? I can assure you, those people are against everything rharpe listed, but if there is a god, he will be kicking them all squarely in the nuts one day.

[rharpe]

1.) Do you think pornography is wrong?

no

yes

2.) Do you think fornication is wrong?

no

yes

3.) Do you think cheating is wrong?

yes

yes

4.) Do you think adultery is wrong?

no

yes

5.) Do you think immodesty is wrong?

yes

6.) Do you think erotism is wrong?

no

yes

7.) Do you think polygamy is wrong?

yes

8.) Do you think sodomy is wrong?

no

yes

9.) Do you think hedonism is wrong?

yes

10.) Do you think incest is wrong?

yes

yes

...the world probably has about 150 moral people in it, and they're all under the age of 1.

If you are a parent to any of them, I'd bring down that number. By that statement are you admitting to being immoral?

Now, I have one for you, just one really...

1.) Do you think it's wrong to steal?

Yes. Taking something, that is not yours, from another is wrong.

[Pesty]

I like how you've reduced eric's thought out responses to simple yes or no answers. It shows that you are indeed a very open minded person and that eric is the most immoral person in existence.

[JimmyShelter]

I like how you've reduced eric's thought out responses to simple yes or no answers. It shows that you are indeed a very open minded person and that eric is the most immoral person in existence.

Yeah, especially since rharpe seems to think that 'it depends on the situation' does mean 'no, it isn't wrong'.

Things aren't black & white in the real world.

[iamus]

Well, Rharpe. We all kind of guessed that your answers to your own questions would be yes. If you'r not willing to give any thought or explanation as to why you hold these views, especially after MrColossal took the time to engage you, then it's no wonder you're getting "jumped on".

Also, it's becoming clear from the questions you asked that this isn't really about religion, is it?

[Haddas]

My God! Do these people really excist? Is there alot of these people in america?

[DGMacphee]

A haiku about Rharpe
By DG

Rharpe is full of shit
He talks about Jesus lots
And deserves asskicks

That's assuming "Rharpe" is a one syllable name. Rharpe, can you please tell me how many syllables are in your nickname so I can complete my masterpiece? Thanks!

[Pesty]

My God! Do these people really excist? Is there alot of these people in america?

Yes. But there are also a lot of people who have a lot of sex, so I guess it balances out.

[Haddas]

Yes. But there are also a lot of people who have a lot of sex, so I guess it balances out.

I'm never gonna complain about my country again...

[Redwall]

Seriously, rharpe, what the fuck do those questions have to do with morality? To me, moral mean not hurting other people, not abstaining from sex-related activities banned by your particular religion.

[DGMacphee]

For me, morality means playing with adorable puppies instead of eating them.

[Pesty]

For me, morality means playing with adorable puppies instead of eating them.

Oh man, what if that adorable puppy turned out to be the anti-christ and your stomach acid was the only way to destroy him? WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS THEN DG

[DGMacphee]

I would then ask myself, "What would Jesus do?"

[Andail]

At first I was gonna write my c-level thesis on Graham Greene, but heck, maybe I'll just go for DG's haiku instead.

Could you whip up a four stanza heroic couplet on Rharpe as well? That's iambic pentameter with rhymes.
Thank you.

[DGMacphee]

He came from parts unknown to peach the Lord
The words he typed upon the board ignored
He blamed the mob for lack of high conduct
But young DG told him to go get fucked

It's a start...