Indy Joneses!

Stupot · Mon 26/05/2008 16:11:38

Quote from: ildu on Sun 25/05/2008 19:03:07
5. The actual lack of a soundtrack. This is difficult for me to believe, but it appears John Williams didn't come up with even one original track for this movie. All music was rehashed from the old films which wouldn't be bad at all by itself, but in addition he ripped off some of his previous totally unrelated work. There's at least one track in Indy 4 from War of the Worlds and possibly another from one of the Harry Potter movies (this one I'm not so sure of yet).

Yeh, and I think the music at the w****** in the last scene is from Star Wars.

Lionmonkey · Mon 26/05/2008 21:19:07

Quote from: Radiant on Sun 25/05/2008 16:33:46
What kind of name is Mutt anyway?

Mutt:

Meaning #1: an inferior dog or one of mixed breed
Synonyms: cur, mongrel
You see now?

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His name is connceted to a dog just like Indy's, PLUS, he's a dog of MIXED breed. Indy the dog, mixed with some woman gave Mutt!

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I've noticed another plothole. I don't say it makes the enjoyment smaller, I'm saying, it's just there.

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Both Indy and his father drunk the holy water, which grants infinite life, healing and maybe some other synonumous superpowers from the Last Crusade.

Still Jones senior died. (Yes, I know that Connery didn't want to stop resting, but why did Lucas and Spielberg have to kill him?)

Oh, and Indy got old hair.

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MrColossal · Mon 26/05/2008 21:24:01

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The whole point to eternal life was as long as you didn't cross the seal. They crossed the seal and became mortal again. Ilsa fell down a hole and Old Crusader dude got smooshed by some rocks. Everybody wins!

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evenwolf · Mon 26/05/2008 21:25:39

WRONG AGAIN ERIC

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Jones SR. was kept alive but they didn't hold onto the grail. You have to work up a tolerance to eternal life. They rode off into the sunset and then both Indy and his father ate some bad shell fish ( or bad dates depending on if you listen to Lucas or Speilberg). They puked on the next sand dune. Indiana lept onto the sand trying to lap up his own eternal vomit but Jones Sr. informed him that doing so wouldn't be very becoming of a gentleman. So they lost immortality in favor of good manners.

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I know all your moves GLucas!

Andail · Mon 26/05/2008 21:33:33

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Nothing really, just wanted to partake in the spoiler-parade

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evenwolf · Mon 26/05/2008 21:39:40

Quote from: Andail on Mon 26/05/2008 21:33:33
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Nothing really, just wanted to partake in the spoiler-parade
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http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=34600.msg452665#msg452665

I know all your moves PLjungqvist!

Andail · Mon 26/05/2008 22:01:03

Darn it, yours is bigger than mine!

Radiant · Mon 26/05/2008 22:08:22

Quote from: Lionmonkey on Mon 26/05/2008 21:19:07
Mutt:

Meaning #1: an inferior dog or one of mixed breed

Yeah, you're the second one to have missed the point of what I wrote. Congrats.

Quote from: skuttleman on Sun 25/05/2008 16:48:17
Well, Indiana was named after a dog.... "Mutt" must be.... a cat of some king?

skuttleman · Mon 26/05/2008 22:42:33

Quote from: Radiant on Mon 26/05/2008 22:08:22
Yeah, you're the second one to have missed the point of what I wrote. Congrats.

Quote from: skuttleman on Sun 25/05/2008 16:48:17
Well, Indiana was named after a dog.... "Mutt" must be.... a cat of some king?

YAY!!!! I WAS THE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!! IN YOUR FACES!!!!!

evenwolf · Mon 26/05/2008 23:03:22

Wow, that was a classic, sincere LOL. I heart skuttleman.

R4L · Tue 27/05/2008 02:23:29

I don't understand why no one knows Indy's son's name. It's Henry Jones II!

LGM · Tue 27/05/2008 02:24:43

No, it's Henry Jones III. Indy is Henry Jones II. AKA. Henry Jones Jr. Or just "Junior" to his pops.

evenwolf · Tue 27/05/2008 03:30:32

Um, Henry Williams II? Henry Williams III?

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Did they cover the name change and I missed it? All I saw was a hat.

Its not like kids magically adopt the groom's name at weddings. They usually keep what they grew up with.

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monkey0506 · Tue 27/05/2008 03:43:17

Quote from: evenwolf on Tue 27/05/2008 03:30:32Its not like kids magically adopt the groom's name at weddings. They usually keep what they grew up with.

Yes but kids don't usually magically discover alien technology in the ruins of an ancient civilization.

R4L · Tue 27/05/2008 11:46:16

Quote from: LGM on Tue 27/05/2008 02:24:43
No, it's Henry Jones III. Indy is Henry Jones II. AKA. Henry Jones Jr. Or just "Junior" to his pops.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Connery.

Quote from: evenwolf on Tue 27/05/2008 03:30:32
Um, Henry Williams II? Henry Williams III?

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Did they cover the name change and I missed it? All I saw was a hat.

Its not like kids magically adopt the groom's name at weddings. They usually keep what they grew up with.
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When Indy and Ravenholm are in the quicksand while Ox and Williams are getting something to get them out, she tells Indy that it's his son.

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It was also a comical moment.

evenwolf · Tue 27/05/2008 23:49:55

R4L, thanks for pointing out the obvious. That has absolutely nothing to do with his name, which is what you and LGM are discussing.

You can't be a John Smith II if your name is Alan Smith. OR if your name is John Davis. Your name has to be John Smith.

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His name is Henry Williams. NOT Henry Jones. Not until he legally changes it.

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monkey0506 · Wed 28/05/2008 10:11:34

Actually:

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She tells Indy during the quicksand scene, "Henry Jones III". She also tells him that Mutt was born before she got married to Williams. Presumably his legal name is Henry Jones III and he just doesn't know it!

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So I saw the movie tonight. I must say I did enjoy it. There were some items I specifically disliked:

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- Apparently Ox isn't Gandalf. He just looked similar from the brief scene I previously saw!

Absurdity:
- Ants. The tower of ants was just plain silly. There was no point to it. In fact, the entire scene contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and IMO should have been left out.
- Monkeys. Again, contributed nothing to the plot while remaining mindlessly childish.
- Refrigerator + Nuclear blast = No harm done. Seriously good for laughs in concept, but should not have been put into the movie IMO. That entire scenario could have been worked through better.
- I noticed some of the tribespeople looked like native Africans covered in chalk instead of native South Americans. So did the aliens teach the Mayans about equal rights too? :

- Spalko's disintegration. I didn't really get the point of this. She knew so much that her body dissolved into dust? Or...the alien seemed to have a vengeful look on his face...he destroyed her for being a greedy bitch?
- Mutt grows up without ever knowing his legal name wtf!

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As for the:

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Aliens, I don't think it's unreasonable for Indy. There are a lot of myths about South American tribes gaining their knowledge from some extraterrestrial source. I do feel strongly that if they make more movies it should not be a recurring theme. Aliens is enough once in the proper context. Turning Indiana Jones into Star Wars is just retarded.

What SSH mentioned about Indy addressing Spalko in the hangar (first page) and then not knowing who she was does seem to be a plot-hole, but she definitely did introduce herself to him before he used her name. Maybe the blast jostled Indy's memory!

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Other than these things I really enjoyed the movie a lot and would recommend it. I think any time there's such a large gap between sequels there will always be a certain amount of change that will be noticeable to the hardcore fans. But all-in-all I still think it was a good movie. 8/10 for me.

evenwolf · Wed 28/05/2008 10:46:58

I concede!

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Ants didn't bother me as much as the monkeys. The ants had a blood lust for anyone. The monkeys instinctively knew who to attack ( presumably based on Mutt's haircut and behavior alone). Tarzan rubbish.

Aliens beat Atlantis? I mean seriously. The pyramid place was nice - you'd have figured someone would be able to see it from a plane

Now they'll never do Atlantis since El Dorado was covered. That's my feeling. I mean honestly I'd have been happy if they just copy and pasted the story from Fate of Atlantis. Its a much more convincing story than Aliens who love to use plows.

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Lionmonkey · Wed 28/05/2008 11:21:55

Quote from: monkey_05_06 on Wed 28/05/2008 10:11:34

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- Monkeys. Again, contributed nothing to the plot while remaining mindlessly childish.
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Not true. There are moments in the film, when Mutt does something, Indy usually did in the previous films, thus showing us the process of him turning into something like Indy.
You know what was the first thing, I thought about, when I saw the monkey scene? Tarzan? No! Indy's Whip^TM!

monkey0506 · Wed 28/05/2008 11:50:10

Nevertheless Lionmonkey, the premise behind the scene was absurd. The same point could have been worked into the movie in a more reasonable fashion instead of turning Henry "Mutt" Jones III-Williams into George of the Amazon.

As for 'lantis, I don't think this movie completely rules out the possibility they might do that in the future..."ED" and Atlantis are hardly the same thing. Besides, there's already complaints about too much CG...if they did do Atlantis the end result would probably be a 3D version of the Disney's (which I love don't get me wrong, but you get what I'm saying).