Inhuman

Barcik · Thu 25/03/2004 15:33:59

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/408422.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1080108195675

Ghormak · Thu 25/03/2004 15:42:22

QuoteThe family of the teenager said he was gullible and easily manipulated.

Most redundant sentence ever.

Nacho · Thu 25/03/2004 16:03:13

The word is going thru the flush...

Minimi · Thu 25/03/2004 16:05:21

This is really terrible... where will this world go? Grown up people are f*cked up! That's for sure!

DGMacphee · Thu 25/03/2004 16:29:23

I saw it on the news -- Yes, it's pretty dreadful stuff.

But it's also not surprising considering what happened to Yassin earlier this week.

Barcik, you might not like me saying this, but I'll say it anyway: I think your Prime Minister has made one of the most stupidest mistakes in the history of stupid mistakes.

Having said that, I'm going to say something that you probably already know, but I'll say it anyway because I'm concerned for your safety:

Be very careful.

Barcik · Thu 25/03/2004 16:50:10

Quote from: DGMacphee on Thu 25/03/2004 16:29:23
Barcik, you might not like me saying this, but I'll say it anyway: I think your Prime Minister has made one of the most stupidest mistakes in the history of stupid mistakes.

Having said that, I'm going to say something that you probably already know, but I'll say it anyway because I'm concerned for your safety:

Be very careful.

If, as I believe, you are referring to the assassination of Ahmad Yassin, I largely disagree. With or without it, the Hammas would have strived to pull out the terrorist attack, that in light of recent events will inevitably receive the title of 'vengance'.

However, thank you for your concern. I will do my best.

Nacho · Thu 25/03/2004 16:52:30

My opinnion...

I can't consider a MORAL mistake to kill Yassin, I'm sorry, I know this sounds awful and goes againt the politicaly correct... But I'm not so pure to deffend people who ordered so many civilian killings...

Can this be applied to Sharon? Well, I am each day closer to believe that he is an obstacle to peace, as he seem to like launching topedoes to the "road map" (called road map in English?). I think he should be removed, I hope that by democratic ways.

but I consider killing Yassin a big Political/militar mistake. I can only think in a worst one, killing Arafat, I can't imagine what could happen. I hope I would never see that.

IMHO killing Yassin CAN'T report less deaths... I agree with the use of force, if it finally saves lifes (I.E. killing a future killer is good), but this can't be applied to this case.

Palestinians will response, and Jewish will response back... Sharon has made a step to get so much closer to a "final situation" (Total war between Arabs and Jewish) than to the "road map".

And I don't consider Sharon so stupid and naive to think this would make his people more secure, ergo, he wants his own people killed to have an alliby for the total war, ergo, I can't respect him anymore.

Does this surprise you? Yes, I defended being hard with terrorists, but as a way to show that terrorism won't take them anywhere, not as an excuse to create a belic situation.

If I am offending my jewish mates in the forum, I'll try to make it clear... Sharon has put your lifes in danger for his own purposes. I am not trying to offend you, mates, I feel closer than you than ever... :'(

I just can pray God to be foolish as Sharon, and that time shows that I am wrong and he is right, and he'll be able to deffend my friends of being blasted while going in a bus, or something.

EDIT: I've seen Boris' reply to DGMacphee... I hope he is right and Hamas won't do nothing "extraordinary", but I fear they're going to preppair something big, in a 11-M/S style, whereas without Yassin alive, it wouldn't happen... $:-\$

DGMacphee · Thu 25/03/2004 17:02:38

QuoteIf, as I believe, you are referring to the assassination of Ahmad Yassin, I largely disagree. With or without it, the Hammas would have strived to pull out the terrorist attack, that in light of recent events will inevitably receive the title of 'vengance'.

Assassinating Yassin still doesn't make the situation better.

If anything, it makes Hammas angrier -- Thus, they're more likely to increase their bombings.

The way I see it is like this:

No one is going to solve anything by assassinating other people.

If anything will result from Sharon's action, it will be the death of more Jews and Palestinians.

I condemn both sides for what they have done.

Alynn · Thu 25/03/2004 17:10:45

<tasteless_joke>It goes to show you that 14 year old boys will do anything for sex</tasteless_joke>

DGMacphee · Thu 25/03/2004 17:12:53

Not now -- Even with the tag, it's not appropriate.

Nacho · Thu 25/03/2004 17:15:44

Quote from: Alynn on Thu 25/03/2004 17:10:45
<tasteless_joke>It goes to show you that 14 year old boys will do anything for sex</tasteless_joke>

And inappropiate...

Alynn · Thu 25/03/2004 17:24:19

Bah I have to make light of this shit,

I'm about to go spend 10 months away from my pregnant wife and kids to go to Iraq, and deal with these bastards. I already know of one soldier that was killed by a 5-6 year old with a hidden pistol.

In an odd way I like hearing this shit, it makes me realize more and more that there is something that has to be done about this terrorism, it strengthens my resolve, and makes my personal sacrifice (leaving my wife and kids) seem a bit more worth it.

Nacho · Thu 25/03/2004 17:27:24

Good luck and take care to come back with your wife and with us. That we considered that the joke was innapropiate doesn't mean we don't simpathise with you when you're down, man.

As said... Good luck!

Currahee!

Darth Mandarb · Thu 25/03/2004 20:51:00

This is just too much ...

A 14 year old suicide bomber.

Farlander said it best "The word is going thru the flush..."

This kid should be doing what NORMAL 14 year olds are doing. Experimenting with drugs and alcohol and listening to gansta rap. Oh wait ...

Yeah, we're in the toilet now.

~ d

Barcik - Be safe man ... I don't know what else to say. $:-\$
Alynn - Good luck and God speed. I have nothing but respect for what you're doing and the sacrifice you're making.

Barcik · Sat 27/03/2004 18:13:53

In some aspects, I agree with you. I don't like Sharon. When the Likkud was elected with a vast majorty (relatively to previous Israeli elections), Sharon received the mandate to act. He didn't. Instead, he played ping-pong with the Palestinian terrorists. The IDF would shoot a Hammas activist, the Hammas would respond with a terrorist strike, and so forth and so forth. This is how this war has been going on for the last 3 years. In Hebrew, it's called an 'exhaustion war' (perhaps it is the same in English, I do not know the proper term) - a war with one basic routine with no visible end in sight. No side is progressing. No side is gaining anything.

It's the solution where we differ. As you probably know, I support a militaristic solution to this conflict. Israel mustn't wait for the Hammas' revenge, but strike again. Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Khaled Mashaal and all who are in league with them need to be taken out as well. But, alas, I think that the assassination of the Sheikh is just another return shot in the endless ping-pong of the Al-Aqsa Intifadah.

And just a little something to Nacho - the "Road Map" has always been a ridiculous joke, and it's now longly dead and buried.

Babar · Sat 27/03/2004 18:32:51

If Yassin was not assasinated, there would be more killings, since he HAS been assasinated, there will be more killings in revenge. The reply will be to kill more people, which will further anger the palestinians, who will revenge with more killing.
It is ping pong alright. With no way of getting any better. The world truly IS going through a flush

Darth Mandarb · Sat 27/03/2004 19:15:55

Quote from: Barcik on Sat 27/03/2004 18:13:53
In Hebrew, it's called an 'exhaustion war' (perhaps it is the same in English, I do not know the proper term) - a war with one basic routine with no visible end in sight. No side is progressing. No side is gaining anything.

A 'stalemate' is, I believe, the term.

It's a horrible situation.

I agree with Barcik about a military solution.

Sometimes it's the only thing that will get results.

Killing Yassin probably isn't going to affect the number of deaths either way, but at least he's out of the picture.

Although I must admit some ignorance to the situation because I'm not involved. I'm just giving my opinion about this 'type' of situation as I see it.

~ d

Nacho · Sat 27/03/2004 19:38:56

Let me explain myself... If someone would be able to guarant me that killing Yassin is not going to bring more Jewish deads than not killing them, I would sign for it, as I don't see a big moral problem for killing that *** ** * *****.

Las Naranjas · Sat 27/03/2004 22:09:07

The correct term is actually "War of Attrition", exemplified first by parts of the US Civil War and ;ater giving birth the the horrors pf the Somme and Verdun.

Darth Mandarb · Sat 27/03/2004 23:10:26

I thought of Attrition too ... but I wasn't sure if it was the correct term.

I thought attrition meant one side just continuously wearing down the other side until that side is no longer able to fight.

They context he provided made me think of a stalemate, where both forces aren't making progress (ie niether are winning) and just remain locked in an unwinnable contest.

But I've been told that Las is the resident scholar amongst us AGSers, so I bow before his knowledge

~ d