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Title: iPad
Post by: Atelier on Wed 27/01/2010 20:21:10
http://www.apple.com/ipad/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8483654.stm

I'm rather disappointed with Apple's new iPad. It's let down the skeptics, offers nothing revolutionary, and goes for $499. The screen resolution on the iPad is a mere 1024x768, not even the size of Full HD video. Have you seen the app pages? The text is huge and the bar at the bottom is an inch tall! It only needs to be half a centimetre.

I'm unsure whether it will ever take off.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Mr Jake on Wed 27/01/2010 20:26:17
I hear you can CHANGE THE BACKGROUND IMAGE TO ANYTHING :O
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Cabbage on Wed 27/01/2010 20:35:21
I agree. Tablet PC's have been around for a while now, they have proper resolution screens... I certainly agree with you on the humongous size of the icons and bar and things, http://www.apple.com/ipad/app-store/ those screenshots are HUGE. It less of a tablet more an iPhone, at least with a normal tablet you can install a proper OS like Mac OS or Windows 7. Then you can use your tablet to draw in Photoshop, watch HD movies, and have a tactile keyboard that you can swivel flat to be a "clipboard shape" or fold out so you can put it on your lap. How are you supposed to hold this thing anyway? It doesn't look as good as the concept images about "iSlate" either, iPad? why iPad?? It sounds like the iPod and it's too obvious... Many people were expecting it to have features like a front facing camera and things, but it seems really "cheap" with not many features. It's an oversized phone. I still cant get over 1024x768, I cant browse safari on that!
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Chicky on Wed 27/01/2010 21:56:50
Doesn't do anything that my current setup can't and looks just like the top half of my mac. Bit of a let down i think, is there even pressure sensitivity?
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: InCreator on Wed 27/01/2010 22:01:25
Sure. I've always wanted a monitor in my pocket.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: monkey0506 on Wed 27/01/2010 22:04:51
I agree with the cabbage patch kid...it looks like an unimpressive oversized iPhone. Or rather, considering you can't place phone calls...it's an oversized iPod Touch.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Adrian   on Wed 27/01/2010 22:43:20
Assuming it comes with a usb type plug for charging it would be a good computer for "the less computer literate" I know certain people who struggle using hotmail, not falling for ebook type scams etc who could probably use this as their computer.
Maybe this is Apple's angle with this device try and build a device solely for non-tech people.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: buddha on Wed 27/01/2010 23:03:42
GOOD:
-capacitive touch-panel
-9.6inch screen
-'low' entry price (barely)
-0.5 inch thick
-10hrs battery life
-unibody sturdy construction
-no keyboard

BAD:
-no multi-tasking
-no SD or CF or USB integrated
-no webcam
-no magnetic power connector
-low powered processor
-no 'real' HD video
-apple controlled apps
-drm
-no keyboard

It's more an 'appliance' than a 'computer'. In that sense it might indeed appeal more to the less computer literate.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Khris on Wed 27/01/2010 23:28:12
And it doesn't have USB/Firewire jacks.
All this is is an attempt to extend the app market to people who want a big screen.

The on-screen keyboard is as annoying as the one on the iPhone; and if you use the dock or a wireless keyboard, the iPad immediately looses it's IMO greatest appeal, holding it or having it in your lap while operating it.

And again, the pricing policy is as ridiculous as with the iPod/iPhone.
An extra $129 for a 3G modem?
An extra $100 for 16/32 GB of basically HD space?
Come ON.

It's a nice toy for douchebags to impress other douchebags; in no way will it even remotely take over the tablet market (although they didn't say it would).
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Matti on Wed 27/01/2010 23:44:19
I prefer the MacBook Wheel (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary). Now that's revolutionary. No keyboard and only 2,599 $ for an 8 GB one.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Cabbage on Thu 28/01/2010 00:41:32
Quote from: Mr. Matti on Wed 27/01/2010 23:44:19
I prefer the MacBook Wheel (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary). Now that's revolutionary. No keyboard and only 2,599 $ for an 8 GB one.
lol I saw that a week ago, some people on youtube commented thinking it was real xD
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Anian on Thu 28/01/2010 02:06:24
Quote from: Mr Adrian on Wed 27/01/2010 22:43:20
Assuming it comes with a usb type plug for charging it would be a good computer for "the less computer literate" I know certain people who struggle using hotmail, not falling for ebook type scams etc who could probably use this as their computer.
Maybe this is Apple's angle with this device try and build a device solely for non-tech people.
It just isn't fair that people who can't learn to check their email online make enough money to buy this. Not saying all "basic computer literacy deprived" are dumb or anything, but reading and trying to think in this day and age is a really useful skill to have.


On another note: nothing says progress like more than 2000 years of technology from a stone tablet full of information into a tablet that is about the same wieght and size, but plastic, need to connect ot something else to get information on it and you have to recharge it...plus anyone can make a stone tablet and write on it - so if you're one of the "less computer literate", that's the way to go.
And you can modify it and be like the cool hipsters and get the newspaper!  :P
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 28/01/2010 11:33:00
While the iPhone / iPad OS is far from perfect, I much prefer this approach to the tablets which merely have Win7 shoved on them. I think a custom OS, or a damn good customisation of Win7 is the way to go for tablets.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Thu 28/01/2010 14:39:31
I am totally under-whelmed with the iPad (stupid name in the first place... but ... but it's like iPod with an A!!  Dumb).

I have an iPhone and I love it (AT&T aside).  It's a great gadget/toy that put some incredibly handy "tools" at my disposal. (Nacho, Lore, Sven and I made it from Zakopane Poland to Vienna using its GPS).  But this larger version just isn't worth it to me.  16gb is totally useless and forcing people to pay large sums of money to upgrade is a scam.  No memory slots for adding your own swappable memory, lame.  No camera, lame.  Less than HD resolution, lame.  I don't know ... it seems like a fail to me.

Don't get me wrong ... I love touchscreen technology.  I think it's just swell.  I do not, however, feel that it is the "way to go" in the future.  Putting everything on-screen has it's place but to those of us who develop on computers; can you imagine doing what you do without input devices like the mouse and keyboard? 

The iPad, to me, seems FAR more useful as a plug-in monitor for kiosks and the like.  Powered by a "base" computer someplace else but just a super-slim and sleekly designed touchscreen monitor.  Or "surface" technology like Micro$oft Surface (which, for WHATEVER reason, uses cameras rather than a capacitive touchscreen... why the holy hell they went that route I'll never know).  For now, I think this will fall on it's face.  But, if there's one thing Mac/Jobs is good at is marketing to the stupid people (IE hipsters) and making everybody think they need this thing. 

[giddy excitement]

Can you just imagine sitting in starbucks with your collar popped sippin' your mocha frappuchino with your legs crossed intentionally in the aisle so you can read your fancy iPad in plain sight of everybody that enters while you casually mention to anybody that's boring enough to listen that you went to Europe last year?

[/giddy excitement]
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Disco on Thu 28/01/2010 15:57:15
As someone who does not have or even want an iPhone, this product actually somewhat appeals to me in a strictly mobile sense.

I have never in my life owned any kind of mobile phone, never felt the need to be on the grid all day every day. Mobile internet would be handy though for traveling and just to not leave my addiction at home. Any kind of smartphone (which I would only ever use for mobile internet) would cost $70 at the very bottom of the monthly plan list, often with 2 year contracts. So $30 a month with the option to cancel with no penalty is really appealing for my [wants].

That said I believe I will skip this generation and wait for the inevitable versions with a webcamera and expandable memory, which going by some of these and comments on other sites it might be sooner than later.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Evil on Thu 28/01/2010 15:59:51
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Thu 28/01/2010 14:39:31
Don't get me wrong ... I love touchscreen technology.  I think it's just swell.  I do not, however, feel that it is the "way to go" in the future.  Putting everything on-screen has it's place but to those of us who develop on computers; can you imagine doing what you do without input devices like the mouse and keyboard?

I think the iPad is horribly designed, and not well thought out. But I have to disagree with Darth in saying I think removing input devices is the way of the future. There are plenty of ways to make touch screen keyboards work, they just haven't made it there yet, IMO. The dual touch sensitivity is phenomenal, and the only thing that is missing is a design where a keyboard is executed well enough to be used for standard typing.

It would have to have a stand of some sort built in to angle the pad so you could type on it comfortably, while still being able to see the screen. My idea is that they should divide the lower half into the key"pad" and the upper half would be the screen, but the bottom edges of the screen could be sized with a slider, so that when the pad is lying on your lap and you're typing, the screen looks normal, square instead of a trapezoid. Sure it would be small, but it's way more practical than the current iPad design.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: i stole your car on Thu 28/01/2010 16:10:09
Completely undeserving of the hype.

What a waste of time.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Vince Twelve on Thu 28/01/2010 16:29:11
I'm in with the underwhelmed crowd.  Stick a webcam, multitasking, and at least one stinking USB port, and you'd have a product I'd be interested in.  (Webcam alone might do it for me.  Ultimate video chat device!  I use video chat a lot since my family is split over continents.)

However, if I were interested in an eBook reader (which I'm not) it would be hard to justify buying a kindle with the iPad's competitive pricing.  The Kindle's eInk might be easier on the eyes though; I haven't really tried.  So in this regard, they look like they could really take over the eBook market.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: buddha on Thu 28/01/2010 19:28:48
If it's just for ebooks, there are several cheaper e-readers than the Kindle available. The makes the difference quite a bit bigger. Plus, there are several new ones being released this year, along with a cargoplane of tablets ;).

Also, reading with an e-ink device (like the Kindle or Sony reader) outside, on a sunny day, is a total different experience than it'll probably be on the iPad. Better try both before you buy.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: FSi++ on Thu 28/01/2010 23:01:48
(http://i49.tinypic.com/33a99wz.jpg)

Just passing by with a picture I found, don't mind me.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Layabout on Fri 29/01/2010 09:10:36
This is supposed to have the best web surfing experience out of any other computer... without Adobe Flash. So there goes 45% of the internet that relies on flash then. No video streaming, no free games, etc.

Nice one Steve. You turtlenecked beltless fool. iPhail more like it.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Misj' on Fri 29/01/2010 15:06:32
It could be me, but either I or Apple doesn't understand the device (originally I thought I didn't, but I'm slowly starting to think it's Apple who doesn't get the device). What we have is a portable media display unit (it is clear from the presentation that that is one of the main design-goals of the iPad)...this much I understand.

For example: if you're on vacation you can watch your newly taken photographs on a big screen. And that's where I stop to understand the design. I'm on vacation, and I've taken my iPad and a camera. A real camera, not one on a phone...because camera's on phones are crap compared. Anyway, I have two devices: one to acquire media (images) and one to view media (including images).

At some point during the design someone at Apple has to have asked him/herself: "how am I going to get the media from A (camera) to B (iPad)?" - The iPad doesn't support memory cards, so that leaves us with two options: I. images are uploaded to the web and downloaded on the iPad, or II. images are stored locally on a computer, and uploaded on the iPad via iTunes. Since my camera isn't able to upload images to the web, option I is out. That leaves option II...which only works if you're taking both a camera, an iPad, and a computer/laptop/netbook (with iTunes) with you.

But if you're going to take a camera and a netbook with you (and probably a phone)...then why on Earth do I need yet another device to do exactly what I can already to with any of the others...in - probably/most likely - a much more convenient manner.

(as I said: I must be missing something...)

Edit: yes, I know you can buy adaptors (http://gizmodo.com/5458376/apple-ipads-myriad-optional-dongles-usb-sd-ac-bbq)...but a media viewer that can't get media (from my memory card) out of the box is - in my opinion - a deeply flawed design. And selling essential features as add-ons is ripping customers off...
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Timo. on Sat 30/01/2010 13:39:45
FSi's picture was hilarious.

Well, I'm not going to review or criticise a single crapsh*t about the iPad cause' I'm not the man for it, but one things for sure:
I'M NOT BUYING IT.
I just don't think its as good as the other Apple gadgets.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Misj' on Sat 30/01/2010 18:01:58
The Hybrid from Lenovo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5DYuVN6nuY) however, is an interesting (and actually innovative) tablet that I do understand.

(http://www.shinyshiny.tv/assets_c/2010/01/ces%201-5%20lenovo%20hybrid-notebook01_300-thumb-240x240-94276.jpg)

It will probably flop (not for technical reasons, but PR). But this is a device-concept that I'm quite interested in.
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: RickJ on Thu 11/02/2010 03:42:35
Well, here is a sneak preeview of Google's entry into this realm ...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/consumer-electronics/portable-devices/is-apples-empire-in-danger-as-googles-chrome-os-tablet-prepares-to-face-the-ipad
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Arboris on Mon 05/04/2010 17:02:42
But the real question is: Will it blend?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko&playnext_from=TL&videos=u26vtSCworU&feature=sub
Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Adrian   on Mon 05/04/2010 20:50:01
Quote from: RickJ on Thu 11/02/2010 03:42:35
Well, here is a sneak preeview of Google's entry into this realm ...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/consumer-electronics/portable-devices/is-apples-empire-in-danger-as-googles-chrome-os-tablet-prepares-to-face-the-ipad
I installed chrome os to my netbook very quick but still early days and not really useable as a OS (used a recent hexxeh build) I did like the visual effect they added when you open a new window and keyboard overlay seems like they understand OS usability but they're a long way off yet I do hope they add the option to have a background, being in a full screen browser all the time makes me feel claustrophobic

For all the ipad bashing you can see it's something you have to use and experience for yourself before you can make a call, specs matter for real computers sure, but something like this? Not really the user experience is going to be the selling point, as much as I hate apple you have to commend them for making computing 'cool'

Persuading more people dragging their feet along saying "I don't understand computers" to take up a computer I had some other rubbish to say but I got bored writing here