I WANT ONE!!!!
hehehe
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
All I can say is: Hell yeah!
I'm not a Mac guy at all -yet-(don't even have an iPod :-[), but I gotta tell ya, I'm looking at the keynote now, and I definitely want one of those. It is phenomenal. Revolutionary. I thought that fake promo video looked great, but the real thing just blows it out of the water.
Wtf?!
Thats... Just wonderful! :o
I actually thought of buying a new iPod today.. Maybe this is a better choice? :P
Daamn...
not out till the summer though. This is becoming an irritating habit of Apple, who used to enjoy the phrase "shipping now!" so much.
Ouch... I'll just stick to my bulky, laggy iPod mini for some time to come then...
And I wouldn't actually call it a phone, as it runs Mac OSX, 8 gig hd, wireless network, 2mp cam, fits in iPod docking stations and has a normal earphone jack plug! It's more like a PDA with alot of functions, rather than a phone..
Yay! More over-priced technology that will break after a year. Sign me up! (not)
Also, I find this interesting:
QuoteThis device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.
This bascially translates to "We haven't actually made anything other than a prototype, so don't get your panties in a twist just yet. We may not actually release this for 3 years"
The technology seems somewhat decent. Only thing to be wary of is Apple's sole partner will be Cingular (a unit of AT&T) in a multi-year agreement. No other company will be able to sell plans with the iPhone until 2009-2010. And, from what I've heard from others, Cingular is crap.
You can see slides from the presentation here:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
It looks nice, it sounds interesting, but Im not sure its worth the price. Its battery life isn't great and I'm not totally sure on touchscreen control on a mobile phone. And although I can't find the slide now, my friend said it only had a 2 meg camera, which isn't very impressive for a "media" phone.
I'm sure it'll be another fad though.
I already have a phone that calls people, a camera and an mp3 player. I dont understand these media phones at all.
It does look kinda cute though, and I'm sure people will buy it because it has an i in front of it.
Mmh... decent technology...
I have always waited for something like that to come out - I mean, it has only ONE key! Finally we won't have to type all those numbers on a normal handy "keyboard" anymore but can "control everything with our fingers"! That sure is a great progress towards old thumb-controlled handies! Wait... handy... that thing originally had a purpose or something. What was that... calling people? Nooo, impossible, in that case the i"Phone" surely would have keys with numbers on them! The purpose of mobile phones sure was downloading "funny" movies for high prices from the apple database! Not to mention all the jamba ringtones we can buy with that in no time! And ooooh, pointing in a direction with our fingers is far more accurate than scrolling through a menu, especially in a crowded place! Voice control, anyone??
*cough cough cough*
DISCLAIMER: That was meant satirical. And I don't have anything against Apple in general, I just don't dig the idea of this lookie-what-my-4000-â,¬-handy-can-do stuff. In fact, I used a handy without even a display for years. Today, I'm quite happy with my trusty old SIEMENS ME 45 that doesn't even have working internet acces nor a color display. Oh, and my MP3 player consits of
* Volume Control
* Play
* Power
* Next/Last Track.
It cost me about 15â,¬ (should be about 20$ or so) and I'm quite happy with it.
/EDIT: Wait, how do you make this iPhone call numbers not in any list of yours? ???
Err... You type them.. When needed, you get a keyboard to write on, on-screen. Just like a regular phone, with the ability to hide the keyboard when its useless. Wonders of touch screen... :P :)
I do have a cell phone used for calling and messaging, I have an mp3 player(although almost not working :P), and I have a laptop. The only reason I would buy it, is because it looks like a nifty gadget. I don't have any particular need for it, but it looks like a great gadget.. I like gadgets..
QuoteThe technology seems somewhat decent. Only thing to be wary of is Apple's sole partner will be Cingular (a unit of AT&T) in a multi-year agreement. No other company will be able to sell plans with the iPhone until 2009-2010. And, from what I've heard from others, Cingular is crap.
Same in my country. Only a different company tho, but really crappy.. Most likely people will crack the operator lock, and we can use our telephone company of our choice. It is being done with normal phones today, and it's perfectly legal.
I want a new phone, as my once top of the range phone is old hat now, and the camera quality is crap. I also want a new mp3 player, as mine is only 256mb. (Intentionally got that as at the time it was possible to get nicked where I worked so I didn't want to buy an expensive one)
So you'd think this was ideal for me!
However, I never want an ipod simply because of all that copy protection crap! I like the fact I can stick my current mp3 player in any USB port and transfer the songs over.
And WHITE headphones, what are you people thinking.. "Hey! I have white headphones, so I probably have an ipod, come and rob me!"
Yes, I said headphones. No, I don't care.
Quotebecause of all that copy protection crap
I would have thought that you as a musician would have more understanding for these people ;)
If you want to take nice pictures, get a digital camera, not a new phone :P
Becky... Marry me
Quote from: [lgm] on Wed 10/01/2007 17:40:48
Also, I find this interesting:
QuoteThis device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.
That's because if they submitted it to the FCC already, it would have announced it for them, and they wanted to announce it themselves with all that snazzy showbizz. Or something. I don't know the details but that's what I heard. Jobs did say it was prerelease though. Some of those widgets were even just jpg placeholders.
And you're right, it may not be practical on all fronts, but you gotta remember it's something totally new. It's a new incarnation of the PDA, Jobs said they have patented hundreds of technologies in there, so it's not gonna be perfect right away. Sure I don't really need half of that stuff, but it sure is exciting. And it's all in one device.
Quote from: Becky on Wed 10/01/2007 18:56:22
If you want to take nice pictures, get a digital camera, not a new phone :P
I have my reasons.
* No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man.
* No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
* No expandable memory.
* No removable battery.
* No Exchange or Office support.
well, i'll stick to nokia and sony :)
IM not going to defen the iPhone, because I think it was a mistake to blur all the products into one, over priced product. However, i object to this anti ipod stuff. I know that iPods aren't everyone's favorite mp3 player, and there ARE some better ones out there for multifunctionality and the like. But complaints about battery life, and ipods breaking after a year are unfounded. I have had my newest ipod for over a year, and it is still going strong. A friend of mine has an ORIGINAL ipod, and it still works fine. I sold my old ipod to spleen, as as far as i know, it works fine. So dislike iPod if you want, but don't mark it down with things that aren't facts, thats just silly.
PS. The iPhone looks great, but will be as worthless as the sony walkman phones have proved to be, phones should be phones and mp3 should be mp3s. UNtil they can combine them nicer, they shouldnt bother. This is a step in the right direction though.
Bye.
I'm with Zoot here! I've actually had my iPod mini for... I think just two years now! And although bulky (there are actual physical bulks in it from dropping it in the floor and on the grounds etc) and lag once in a while, it never once let me considerably down! So I would say that people who say that iPods in general have a very short life, should really check their facts.
QuoteThis is a step in the right direction though.
Yeah.. First to my knowledge that actually have a minijack output. I might be wrong tho..?
OT but I can't help it...
I have a different problem with Apple in general: The price.
I was at a mall the other day and went into an official Apple store, just for fun. Asked for a Mac Pro. 4 hard drives, 8 Gig memory, duo core MacIntel and these were the main points. Cost? £ 5,500!
Then went on a PC store. Asked for a duo Core 2.something, 3 Gig (that's the bad thing with windows XP, but Vista are on their way), 4 hard drives etc... Price? 2700 euros!
Now ok Mac, maybe a little better (don't think that they're hugely better though, as I have worked 2 years in Macs), but nothing can justify a price gap of 1 Mac= 4 Pcs...
On ipods... I really can't understand it. I went on and bought a small 512 Mb MP3 something name (or no name) for 20 quid and I'm perfectly happy with it! why an ipod and spend so many money?
Mobile phones: I have an Ericson for about a year and I'm happy. I do play some java games when bored, do have 3G so everything seems ok. And most importanly I can receive calls from my wife, yelling at me for being late or something... :P
But this new iPhone looks ultra cool, I have to be honest... And since it's brand new, it's bound to have problems to be solved... Apple is good at solving bugs quickly...
Sorry for the semi-rant...
zoot, the battery degrades with time, which is a fact :)
i just like being able to fix stuff myself, which is impossible here.
i do like the design of ipods and i guess they're fine when they're running the rockbox firmware, but the not-being-able-to-change-the-battery-myself really put me off from buying one two years ago - and put me off from considering to buy this phone
Can I tell you something interesting?
Six to seven million people in Congo have died since 1996 as a result of invasions and wars sponsored by western powers attempting to gain control of the region's mineral wealth, most significantly coltan and niobium, which are two minerals necessary for the production of cell phones and other electronics.
So when people buy new cell phones as almost a "vanity" thing--to look cooler, or because they were negligent with their old phone--that upsets me, because people are dying to bring you the materials used to make cell phones and other electronics.
Anyway, just my thoughts on the whole matter.
Very true. A lot of technology nowadays is wasteful and useless. As Nikolas said- a 512MB MP3 player is fine! You don't need 30 gigs for an MP3 player- you'll never use all of that space anyways.
Says you! I could fill that 30gig up! 8)
£5500? Yowza! Although I think I would pay the price just for the convenience of being able to run the entire VI Instruments cube without having to have use multiple computers, and also insuring that I'd never need to even look at a copy of Windows Vista! When we were selling G4s for £2500 (not including the price of a monitor) a few years ago I thought the price was completely ridiculous, but I guess if you're a professional musician that needs daft amounts of RAM and processing power the price tag becomes trivial. Deferred payment suddenly starts to sound like a good idea too!
The price is an issue with macs, I think this is partly (not wholly) due to shops overcharging for them. Macs and iPods are often charged fro alot more at shops over the apple store, leading to the perception that they are too spensive, however, a mac laptop or desktop IS a serious investment, they havent quite got the "buying one just to have one" market that Windows and PCs enjoy, maybe vista will change the balance.
Hold the phone, people. Apple is being sued by Cisco:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=211
I knew they were in negotiations prior to the unveiling, but it looks like the negotiations fell through.
Quoteyou'll never use all of that space anyways.
I've filled about 5 gigs of my 6 gig iPod, and it's nice to know that I actually have a little extra space. And my dads cd collection fills about 32 gigs of his 40 gig iPod, and he still buys music, so it prolly won't take too long for him to fill it. And the new iPods support video, so that makes the space even more nescessary.
Quote£5500
Yeah, the apple products do seem to be over priced from time to time. I bought my 20" iMac (dont have the specs right here) for about £1600, and it never* lags, crashes or do anything I dont want it to.
*Compared to the PCs I've used in the past.
Quote from: Adamski on Thu 11/01/2007 01:37:12
£5500? Yowza!
Memory alone costs around £2000!!!! That's part of the reason...
But yes, I do change rather frequently the mp3s in my mp3 player (which is also a voice recorder). But for 0.5 Gb I get around 50 songs, which are more than enough for a month or so... :-/ 30 Gb would get me 3000 mp3s and I really don't see the reason... Unless I have a free income of mp3s somehow... :p
I've thought about this a little and realised this: my phone already has an option to play MP3s (via SD card) and pretty much does most of the stuff iPods do. And one thing I don't like about iPods is you can't use them as external HD (from my understanding) -- I don't know if this is the same with iPhone, probably not since it has net surfing options so I['m guessing you can download stuff. But I still don't see what all the hubbub is about.
Sure, it has a lot of space. But I don't see the point if my current phone does all that iPhone offers. It seems more like they're playing catchup and hey here's a bigger HD!
I would guess that you have a large cd collection you could fill it with, for trips and such..^-^ (i assume this from the fact that you are a musician and, well... my stereotype musician has lots of cds :P)
QuoteBut for 0.5 Gb I get around 50 songs, which are more than enough for a month or so... :-/ 30 Gb would get me 3000 mp3s
Well, if 0,5 Gb gives you 50 songs, wouldnt 30 Gb then store around 15000 songs?
Actually, a 30gb iPod would store appoximately 7000-7500 songs..
QuoteAnd one thing I don't like about iPods is you can't use them as external HD (from my understanding)
Actually, you can!Ã, :)
Well yeah, I could easily fit 30Gb of music there from my albums and my hard drive, but I don't see the point. I don't travel that much. If I went away for a year, I'd just get an external hard drive and put my music there, then find a cheap way of playing them.
Ok, there are smaller iPods, but still any other product with the sam size is cheaper. with macs, the thing is always the price for me. The Price.
Quote from: the vict0r on Thu 11/01/2007 14:30:28
Well, if 0,5 Gb gives you 50 songs, wouldnt 3000 Gb then store around 15000 songs?
0,5 -> 50
1 -> 100
10 -> 1000
30 -> 3000
At least the math are correct.
Now of course mp3s come in different sizes and compression rates of course. A 96 bpm mp3 is around 1 Mb per minute, a 320 Bpm is around 2.5 Mb per minute...
I can understand the need for more space, but I can also understand the need to spent, even though you don't need something... Commercialism... ;) Until last year I was strolling around with a normal CD walkman! Usually got in 1-2 CDs with me, and that's all! It broke so I went to the next level. My CD Walkman was more or less 10 years old! ;) Phone, same story. Kept the same monophonic, colorless phone 'till 2 years ago, when Imoved to London.
Nothing wrong, nothing right, different perspecitves...
QuoteNothing wrong, nothing right, different perspecitves...
Seconded!
And I like to be able toÃ, have more music to choose from, instead of the CDs I can fit on my person.
Even though I actually had my CD player until I got the iPod! Prolly 6 or 7 years!
But it is true what you say, I often want stuff I don't have any actual need for. But what can I say? I'm a gadget freak ^-^Ã, :)
And I fucked the math up, yeah...
Use it before you lose it!
There's my motto when it comes to money. Think of it, you have say, 500 euors on your account. You buy some food, some beer, some more beer, and whoops, it's gone. When you could have bought, say something useful, like a used minibus vokswagen that smells like pot.
I kind of like the design, but I simply can't understand why people are going ZOMG about it. It's just a smartphone, 's all. When I need a new phone, I look around and look at what my budget will let me get. I'll get the most awesome phone I can find for the amount of money I can spend, but I won't hold out for a certain phone, or buy a new one before my subscription renewal comes up.
When I can get a free phone with a renewal (or new subscription), why the eff would I *buy* a cellphone? Especially something that excells in eye candy, but otherwise seems fairly limited?
*posted this using his SE W850i as a bluetooth modem for his macbook*
Okay, so maybe I am kind of susceptible for awesome things. But this iPhone? Not so much ;)
Well, this is what I think after been hearing the keynote. I think the greatest advantage the iphone will have is that it's very easy to use. My experience is that that is what apple stands for, I know because I switched from a pc to a mac a while ago and the mac is so much easier to use.
I belive that the iphone will be sold to many of those who thinks that it's way to tricky to use the other cellphones to connect to internet and and stuff like that. And it doesn't look that geeky as computerphones use to do, it's very well designed.
What worries me: is the iphones touchscreen gonna work, and why don't they got 3G.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/manicmatt/prints.png)
No?
Unless they have some kind of anti-fingerprint screen I don't know about.
iPhone looks good, but I recently heard that Apple got sued by Sisco (I think that's how it's spelt) Systems for using Sisco's iPhone trademark. Not sure if it's true or not. Did any of you guys know that?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/10/cisco-sues-apple-for-trademark-infringement-ruh-roh/
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 11/01/2007 21:25:43
Unless they have some kind of anti-fingerprint screen I don't know about.
They do. It's been mentioned in a few news reports. Anti scratch as well I believe.
Quote from: Steel Drummer on Fri 12/01/2007 03:01:42
iPhone looks good, but I recently heard that Apple got sued by Sisco (I think that's how it's spelt) Systems for using Sisco's iPhone trademark. Not sure if it's true or not. Did any of you guys know that?
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=29730.msg379564#msg379564
Reading threads before replying is a good rule of thumb
I just watched the keynote speech for this, and it actually does look awesome. Apple may well have invented another piece of revolutionary gadgetry. Talk of future models makes me hopefull that a more affordable option, perhaps missing out ther iPod part (since i have one) would be useful to me.
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 12/01/2007 15:32:58
Quote from: Steel Drummer on Fri 12/01/2007 03:01:42
iPhone looks good, but I recently heard that Apple got sued by Sisco (I think that's how it's spelt) Systems for using Sisco's iPhone trademark. Not sure if it's true or not. Did any of you guys know that?
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=29730.msg379564#msg379564
Reading threads before replying is a good rule of thumb
Everyone ignores me. I'm AGS's version of Grandpa Simpson.
Did someone just say something?
No?
*looks around*
My bad.
I get the feeling Cisco gave their product an Apple style name purely to be able to sue Apple at a later stage.
Yup, Apple got sued by Cisco. It was in the news. :-\
But that may be good news if it means that they'll make a new name for it... something a little more imaginative.
funny.
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?ml_video=80781
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/
Hmmm, interesting. Well, at least it's good to know there are more options out there. I wonder if the functionality and features of the LG KE-850 are that similar to the iPhone also...
Quote from: Geoffkhan on Mon 22/01/2007 05:49:51
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/
Hmmm, interesting. Well, at least it's good to know there are more options out there. I wonder if the functionality and features of the LG KE-850 are that similar to the iPhone also...
Hmmm, well lets verify that by watching this advertisement on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM
Wow, then the iPhone definitely has the LG KE-850 beat, huh? ;D
Portable shower and a razor...definitely gotta get that. :=