That is the question.I wan't to include one in my game in proggress, i saw it in a couple games, but what if it offends people?
The answer will depend on many things. Mainly the context.
1) Is it necessary or important to the plot?
2) Is it graphic?
3) Are you prepared to provide a warning?
Aye, similar things have been asked & answered many times before
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=20108.0
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=6243.0
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=7846.0
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=33867.0
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=33009.0
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=34774.0
To name a few threads. Not convinced this topic needs to be covered yet again, so I'm moving this to general forum.
Lemme answer those: 1.Yep 2.yep in a form of a sprite, but no nakkies 3.Absolutely, the player will even have a choice to save her or not save her aka 2 ends.
anything is appropriate as long as you know your target audience ... it can be graphic, it can be nudes, it can be anything ... as long as you know your target audience.
Then,i shall reconsider this idea.
Wait a sec, i just remembered Nocturnal Illusions, thats it! Attempted rape, the guy tries to rape the girl but the player comes to deh rescue! Then the save her and don't save her decision!Ain't that smart of me?
You could call it 'Save or Rape'
It's all about context. I think anything that has to do with preventing or saving someone from being raped is ok. But as soon as you make "Rapey raperson: The point and dick surprise sex game" some line is probably crossed and there will be a public reaction to it. In short, rape is bad and it isn't to be glorified in any way.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 01:23:09
Attempted rape, the guy tries to rape the girl but the player comes to deh rescue! Then the save her and don't save her decision!Ain't that smart of me?
I'd be concerned about a game giving me the choice
not to save someone from being raped. I'm not sure I'd want to play a game aimed at people who haven't made their minds up about whether or notrape is OK.
I'm also concerned that you promise rape but no nudity, as if something as natural and harmless as nudity is in some way worse than rape.
A video game character's life is full of tough decisions:
(http://ing.uchile.cl/~flavande/archivos/images/Rape-Ayumi.jpg)
I didn't say that rape is natural! I said i won't draw nuddie sprites. And the reason for not saving the girl is: a. The player char will be already wounded by the raper. B. The raper is a crazy supernatural sad entertainment mask and spear wielding psycho! If the player saves her the character will get mortally wounded, and will die in the end. If he however doesn't save her, he escapes (makes the game a bit shorter) but a scene shows the girl about 13 years in the future, locked in a cell, while the psycho guy with his son, who is also psycho, slaughters people at random.
Oh my. You're a clone of Icey, down to the age and posting from your cell. This is going to be fun.
Khris, who is Icy? Are you making fun 'o' me.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 13:17:22
Khris, who is Icy? Are you making fun 'o' me.
"Oh yes, there will be trolls"
Khris is making fun of you, a bit. He's suggesting that you don't seem to be taking a mature approach to the subject matter.
I didn't accuse you of saying rape is natural. I said nudity was natural, and you misread it.
I find it very strange that you're not prepared to draw 'nuddie' sprites but you are comfortable with rape and spear-based slaughtering. I myself would much prefer to be naked than to be raped or slaughtered.
Ok, firstly i don't wanna feel like a dropout, cause the way Khris said it, made me feel uncomfy, but i forgive him cuz he helped me for the chase sequence script. Secondly, i thought that nudity might offend someone more than rape, but if that's ok, expect a nude girl in the rape sequence, and that spear based slaughtering was inspired by Benjamin's Cabadath. And i just want to point out that i'm way more mature than meets the eye, but if something ticks me off, i can be a total asshole.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 15:08:20i thought that nudity might offend someone more than rape
That sounds wrong on so many levels.
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Please imagine the following conversation:
Judge: Sire, you raped that woman, yes?
Dude: Yup.
Judge: Well, that's sorta like a bit of a crime, you see?
Dude: But I kept me pants on.
Judge: Ah, right. That totally makes it okay then.
Ahahahahaha! Sorry i'm from Serbia, and i know a lot of people who thing being naked is worser than rape,personally i would go ahead in the nude.
To be absolutely clear, I was arguing
against you putting rape in your game, rather than encouraging you to make the victim naked.
If you are as mature as you say, I hope you'll do some research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_and_aftermath_of_rape) into the grim realities of rape before you decide whether your game can really deal with it.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 15:25:11
Sorry i'm from Serbia, and i know a lot of people who thing being naked is worser than rape
I don't mean to criticise Serbian values, but those people are wrong.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 15:08:20the way Khris said it, made me feel uncomfy
Imagine you discover there's an open house party in your neighborhood. Right next to the door is a huge sign with house rules but you don't even glance at it. Who needs rules, right? Instead you enter the party to find yourself among people who are several years older than you, all having nice conversations about a variety of different topics.
You look for people your own age but can't find them. So you decide to arbitrarily start conversations with random people using all kinds of slang words and stuff, breaking a few house rules in the process.
Most people are friendly but some are looking at you funnily.
Now, none of this has made you feel uncomfortable in the least, but as you soon as you hear someone saying "look over there, another young guy who didn't see the sign, just like the one last week", you suddenly feel really bad and decide to tell all the people around you that you're going to flip out if somebody pissed you off.
Can you see what's wrong with this picture?
Concerning nudity and rape:
Ask all those people what they find worse, being naked or
being raped.
And yeah, if somebody thinks that depicting nudity is worse than depicting rape, there's probably something wrong with them.
Dude just make a small goofy adventure game or a platform arcade type in AGS. Basically go rape-free for your first game.
I know that Serbian people are infact wrong, i want to thank you for opening my eyes, it just hit me, all the rape victims, how i looked at the tv in shock and horror, i will never forget that, i will go my own way, i will not include any offensive material in any of my games. However tempting or plot important it be. I thank you. But i will still be pissed off if someone makes fun of me. Everyone else deserves a cookie.
I can't believe this discussion just took place... For multiple reasons...
Quote from: kconan on Wed 30/11/2011 15:42:14
Basically go rape-free for your first game.
Easier said than done, my friend. :=
When drawing, make the rapist a white guy - less pixels needed.
Once you realize what I did there you will most likely not chuckle.
Dualnames:
I don't know why I bother to talk you but here goes: I don't care if I seem like an arrogant prick on occasion.
My only motivation here is to get the newcomer to understand how I see what he does so he takes a few moments to think about it himself. I'm not doing this to get praised for my insight or ingenious metaphors; when all is said and done, I want to help him. That's the bottom line. Sometimes, the only useful thing to do is kick somebody in the proverbial balls. It used to help me.
And regarding your really bad analogy: why do I even have to point out the rules? That's exactly what I shouldn't have to do in the first place. It's not like this is the only place with rules or that they are really well hidden. If I decide to travel to Greece and start stealing stuff and beating people up, will you calmly point out to me that that's frowned upon?
I will for now on follow the rules, i've read them before, but didn't really pay attention, just to point out, i answered all the questions right in one go, actually number 6 was wrong, just once. Now i'm totally sounding like a dick, right?
The best way to actually help someone, is to ACTUALLY HELP them. Help doesn't include insulting and treating a person like a total garbage. Unless of course you're House. Then it's total understandable, cause that's a TV series.
Amazing analogy with Greece. Clap, clap, clap. If I ever came to Germany and asked people directions would anyone go RTFM? And if they do, do I have the right to step over them for being so fantastic people?
Quote from: kconan on Wed 30/11/2011 15:42:14
Basically go rape-free for your first game.
Well, what about a bit of bondage or rough sex? It's not exactly rape ... but it's a start.
QuoteIf the player saves her the character will get mortally wounded, and will die in the end. If he however doesn't save her, he escapes (makes the game a bit shorter) but a scene shows the girl about 13 years in the future, locked in a cell, while the psycho guy with his son, who is also psycho, slaughters people at random.
Well, I guess there's no need to play your game since you've told us about both endings...
WHY U RUIN END OF GAME?!
QuoteIf I ever came to Germany and asked people directions would anyone go RTFM?
If someone in Germany said to me, "AreTeeEfEm!", I probably wouldn't realize that they were actually saying, "RTFM" and mistake it for "Fuck you stupid American!" in German or something. And yes, this was pointless of me to state.
Snake, since the rape part is removed from my plans, the endings will be different.
Quote from: Snake on Wed 30/11/2011 17:01:42
QuoteIf I ever came to Germany and asked people directions would anyone go RTFM?
If someone in Germany said to me, "AreTeeEfEm!", I probably wouldn't realize that they were actually saying, "RTFM" and mistake it for "Fuck you stupid American!" in German or something. And yes, this was pointless of me to state.
Wo ist die bibliotek? :=
Ponch, das wird nichts. Du kriegst ja nichtmal Umlaute hin ;)
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 15:25:11
Ahahahahaha! Sorry i'm from Serbia, and i know a lot of people who thing being naked is worser than rape,personally i would go ahead in the nude.
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute there. Serbia? As in... 'A Serbian Film', that kind of Serbia?
This whole conversation has suddenly become a lot clearer to me.
I'm sorry, sir. But I don't speak Spanish. ;)
Also, I don't know how to make those little umlauts. So go ahead and take these .. .. .. .. , print them, cut them out, and paste them onto your monitor where needed to make what little high school German I still remember into something readable. 8)
Quote from: Ghost on Wed 30/11/2011 17:26:14
Ponch, das wird nichts. Du kriegst ja nichtmal Umlaute hin ;)
I wonder where you would put Umlaute in the word library... ah, now I know: Bücherei!
Bibliothööööök.
Argh. Back to topic.
Back to topic?
Let's talk about sunshine instead.
Wait a minute. There are TWO words for library in German? When did this happen? I don't recall anyone mentioning it on the nightly news.
If you ask me, having more than one word for a thing seems inefficient. And I thought you Germans were known for your efficiency.
I can no longer trust what I see on the news is what I'm saying. So thanks, Cat. Now I can never trust anyone again. ;)
EDIT: Chicky, we resolved the rape issue. (i.e. It's bad, but impossible to avoid if you use the AGS engine -- or something like that). Now we're talking about odd dots over vowels. Please try to keep up! :D
Chicky, that hurt. Not all Serbs are that way.
Dude, you said they all think Rape is better than nudity!
Ponch:
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I do good?
I didn't say the whole fucking Serbia sayed that!
Quote from: Chicky on Wed 30/11/2011 17:37:10
Dude, you said they all think Rape is better than nudity!
Ponch:
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I do good?
Yes. Rape and umlauts go together like peanut butter and chocolate. Well done, Chicky. Well done.
Okay Milos, sorry if i hit a nerve. Personally i thought the film was very well directed, it certainly left an impression. Obviously i do not base my opinion of Serbia on the content of a film.
Is the weather nice? It's pretty cold and wet here, and lonely, yup, sure is lonely. At least i learnt about umlauts.
Thanx for understanding Chicky, it's pretty nice over here,but cold as shit at night, and when i'm not making a game, i look outside from a window, wondering. But thank you for asking. Can we be friends?
Quote from: Dualnames on Wed 30/11/2011 16:39:07Amazing analogy with Greece. Clap, clap, clap. If I ever came to Germany and asked people directions would anyone go RTFM? And if they do, do I have the right to step over them for being so fantastic people?
Analogies don't seem to be _your_ strong point at all though. You're looking for "asking directions while a perfectly fine tourist map of the city sticks right out of their back pocket/is plastered all over the wall behind them". Now if they have trouble with reading that map, which is perfectly understandable, that's another story, and curiously, I do get asked for directions quite a lot and I'm always happy to help.
And as you can see here (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=44887.0), it wasn't until he got into Icey mode that I started to get slight less helpful.
The problem here is that you're simply one of those people who just can't see all the hundreds of different shades of grey between black and white.
Khris, i appriciate your help, but i'm no Icey, i am serious 80 percent of the time, and i have periods, that what you call "Icey mode" i call it "Acting like a totally retarded idiot that i am not mode" those are just small time periods, that all of you must addapt to when talking to me, or you can continue to talk crap that i won't listen to, this is for everyone, not only Khris, so if you can at least ignore my periods, it's fair enough. I am just trying to make a game here, and if you really want to help, then try not to be a shitballs prick. I can be a prick myself, but i just shut up when i hit the line.Oh and thank you for the script.Again.
Quote from: Khris on Wed 30/11/2011 20:09:20
The problem here is that you're simply one of those people who just can't see all the hundreds of different shades of grey between black and white.
You just changed my life, sire. The amazing allegories, the metaphors, the deepness of the thought, I can't even begin to imagine. I am quite sure that NO ONE EVER has given any directions. and everyone that is driving is like in blade runner, and that's a fantastic idea for a utopia.
In fact I have the belief, that the world is a fantastic place. LET US ALL DANCE LIKE LEOPARDS.
You're not even a troll, you're just an elf.
Damn, I seriously want to reply to this thread but everytime I try to write something this questions keeps popping up: What does a dancing Leopad look like?
Anyway back to the topic: What kind of rape are we talking about here - something like beaver rape? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp0vaHe-e70)
Nobody complains about murdering people in games, why should raping be a problem? There are rape scenes in many films. Sure, some people find that very controversial (same thing with murder) but if it's important for the plot, of course you should include it. Just be ready when sensitive people start bombing you with angry e-mails.
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Wed 30/11/2011 20:46:28those are just small time periods, that all of you must addapt to when talking to me, or you can continue to talk crap that i won't listen to
I rest my case.
Quote from: Dualnames on Wed 30/11/2011 21:02:16I am quite sure that NO ONE EVER has given any directions.
You are too dense to understand my arguments so I'll stop this right now. Like I said, I didn't know why I bother.
If you want this explained, write me a PM.
Hold on, nigh rider baby
Ride in the night, la la la la
Pablo, your last name wouldn't happen to be Greco? Heheh, tiny joke there, don't be angry.The rape idea was removed, but that doesn't mean i will not include buckets upon buckets of blood and gore every few minutes, maybe i overdid it there but, who knows, what if this game turns out to be gorier than the whole Chzo Mythos serial or something.
Just keep in mind though, Milo, that buckets upon buckets of blood and gore doesn't make a game good. It's the story itself. Gameplay is of course another factor, but just because you're adding in lots of gore doesn't mean it'll be better than anything else.
I'm a huge horror fan, but I don't play horror games or watch horror movies for the blood and gore. I could care less about that, honestly. It takes away from something that could be better, I think.
Well i don't wanna reveal any part of my story, but i say, from my point of view... Pretty original, and maybe a bit deep, i can't be a jack of all trades, but a Sad drama mask wearing psycho is pretty original,and no, i'm not trying to use gore over story, the game itself will be pretty clean, a mild curse here and there, but when it comes to killing scenes, i won't hold back my bloodlust and imagination, oh by the way, it's Milos, with a S. Oh and is the game name Crimison Bath taken?
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Thu 01/12/2011 01:35:38
Well i don't wanna reveal any part of my story, but i say, from my point of view... Pretty original, and maybe a bit deep, i can't be a jack of all trades, but a Sad drama mask wearing psycho is pretty original
(http://i.imgur.com/UlB9J.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/UlB9J.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/UlB9J.gif)
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Thu 01/12/2011 01:35:38Oh and is the game name Crimison Bath taken?
Now that's what Google is for. I'm pretty sure the name is not taken though.
Go ahead, make your game and have fun!
Milos: Remember, the minimum age here is 16 - if you're unable to act that age, don't post.
You have to start thinking about what to write and how to write it, before you hit that Post button.
A good start is to avoid leet speak, and to ask yourself if what you post is really necessary, or just provocative.
Andail, ice cool name there, the l33t sp33k is a bad habbit from the past, i've written that way for years while i was known as Orochimaru on mocospace, and it is a part of that small time "Acting like a total idiot and retard that i am not mode" but i got it under controll now, if it happens again, don't hold back and defend yourself if i start crapping on you.
Gameboy, you just ticked me on (i use that when i want to say you inspired me) i'm-a off to draw a couple new rooms! Oh ho ho the haPINESS!
Quote from: Milos Regamer Jevtic on Thu 01/12/2011 13:13:01
Andail, ice cool name there, the l33t sp33k is a bad habbit from the past, i've written that way for years while i was known as Orochimaru on mocospace
Nobody cares about this. Just write standard English and stop appearing like you're ten years old.
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if it happens again, don't hold back and defend yourself if i start crapping on you.
No, if it happens again you will simply be banned.
PS:
And don't double post, please.
Think about this and it'll be fine. Good luck, Milos!
Andail, that was kinda harsh, ya know, i know about 93 percent of english, but i hope i won't get banned for making little spell mistakes, no more leet speech, and random outbursts will be controled at max, but can you guys go easy on me for a week or so, i'm a freshie here.
Nobody is going to ban you for typos. Don't confuse making a few typos with "acting like a retard although you aren't" (which is just a lame excuse anyway since you could effortlessly stop acting like a retard if it's always deliberate).
Also, Crimison Bath isn't taken, neither is Crimson Bath (I assume this actually wasn't a type since I've read "crimison" more than once).
So... Now we can all just, get along? I'm not gonna be a stupid prick anymore, oh and i thank you all for pointing out what's right and wrong, some of you were harsh, but hey, no probs, so now we can go our own ways and make our games? Help each other out sometimes? I can draw sprites, but i can't animate for shit.
I used to be retarded. But then I got better.
Quote from: veryweirdguy on Fri 02/12/2011 09:43:33
Quote from: Haddas on Thu 01/12/2011 23:04:31
But then I got better.
Says you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXX5drqRD9s&feature=player_detailpage#t=215s :(