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Title: It's official!
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Thu 08/02/2007 16:40:05
Wadjet Eye Games has been nominated for a Gamer's Choice Award in the category of "Best New Studio"! (http://www.gamechoiceawards.com/nominees.htm)

Is anyone else going to the GDC this year?  Or live in San Francisco?  Drop me a line.
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: nulluser on Thu 08/02/2007 16:45:51
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Post by: Sam. on Thu 08/02/2007 16:47:58
Congrats Dave, unfortunatley my budget doesnt stretch to that trip, hope you win and have fun though!
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Post by: Jon on Thu 08/02/2007 16:50:38
Congratulations! I hope you win for the AGS community.
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Post by: thewalrus on Thu 08/02/2007 16:54:37
     Way to go Dave! Good luck, brother!!!

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Post by: Nikolas on Thu 08/02/2007 17:39:36
Congrats Dave!

I guess it's a dream come true? Or maybe you have higher dreams? That would be cool! Dave the president of Barbados! (Take that Da_Elf!) Sounds WAY much cooler than the president of the US... :p

good luck Dave :)

And the Blackwell Legacy (which I bought now along with the soundtrack and the small print, signged) is looking great thus far! Congrats to everyone involved!
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Post by: LGM on Thu 08/02/2007 17:49:57
Win one for the Team, Dave! I need to go play The Shivah, now that I remember I bought it.
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Post by: Peder 🚀 on Thu 08/02/2007 18:21:35
Congrats Dave!
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Post by: voh on Thu 08/02/2007 18:38:59
Make it count, and mention AGS every other word ;)
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Post by: on Thu 08/02/2007 20:16:30
Well done and good luck Dave!

Blag us a free pen! :D
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Post by: Blackthorne on Thu 08/02/2007 22:18:28
That's excellent, Dave!  Way to go, man.  Good luck.

Bt
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Post by: mätzyboy on Thu 08/02/2007 23:02:24
This is the kind of reward we all secretly desire! My warmest congratulations Dave!
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Post by: Steel Drummer on Thu 08/02/2007 23:07:55
Great job! Score another for AGS.
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Post by: LimpingFish on Thu 08/02/2007 23:10:57
Proof that hard work pays off.

Well done, Dave. Couldn't be more deserved. :)
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Redwall on Fri 09/02/2007 01:03:01
From the AGS Awards to the GDC... that's one small* step for Dave, and one giant leap for adventures. :)

*Small in this case meaning huge, awesome, and well-deserved.
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Post by: Afflict on Fri 09/02/2007 11:25:07
AWESOME!

Well Done Dave!
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Fri 09/02/2007 21:37:22
THANKS!  It's quite exciting.  And nerve-wrecking as well.  I'm giving a 30 minutes keynote speech at the GDC as well (on religion in games, of all things) and I've been freaking out over that.
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Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 09/02/2007 21:48:13
So you're going to be telling people how to out-question their opponents and deliver mean right hooks?  :=
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Post by: fred on Sat 10/02/2007 21:47:41
Congrats Dave, you deserve it.

Religion in games? - I think it's noteworthy that civ4 has religion, whereas none of the prequels had. From a game mechanics point of view, all the religions are equal, only the status/importance of religion in society can be changed. I think that's an interesting design choice, making the player some sort of regulating power above religion, whereas in the real world religion seems to often follow its own authority.

Also, PeaceMaker, recently released, deals with religion in an interesting way. Play it, if you haven't, to find out.Ã, 

And perhaps a healthy dose of Forgotten Realms religion (clerics and their 'alignments')might bring in a historical perspective on how computer games deal with religion.

Just some suggestions, in case you're still freaking out. ;)
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sat 10/02/2007 23:40:17
Quote from: Dave Gilbert on Fri 09/02/2007 21:37:22
on religion in games, of all things

You know, I really hope that The Shivah isn't getting all this attention just because "it has Jews in it." That'd be a shame.
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Post by: Snarky on Sun 11/02/2007 00:00:57
Interesting topic, especially as I don't think The Shivah is really about religion. It seems to be much more about Jewish identity, and to a lesser extent about morality, rather than faith as such. Although the main character is a Rabbi, we only really see him address religious questions twice (once in his interrupted sermon at the beginning, and then again on the same topic near the end).

While many games use Gods, demons, angels and other bits of mythology (God of War comes to mind), few seem to really bother themselves with the substance of religion. Do any RPGs really delve into the religious beliefs of its cleric characters?

One could argue that it's not really possible (or at least very difficult) to go in depth about any religion you don't believe in. Especially one that you make up. A man may write a game with a female main character, but will probably not be able to make a game about the experience of being a woman. In the same way, a Christian, Jewish or atheist designer may create a game with a Muslim main character, but probably not one about the Islamic faith. Given that only a few religions are well represented among game designers (one assumes), this may limit how well the game industry deals with religion.

There are a number of games with an explicitly religious, missionary message (usually an Evangelical Christian one). Digital Praise has released a few religious adventure games (one of which is reviewed (http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,606) on Adventure Gamers), and then there's that Left Behind RTS game.

Of course, religion has a number of different aspects: as a political force, as a part of cultural identity, as a motivation for conflict, as a hierarchical organization, as a source of superstition, as a collection of stories, as a wellspring of taboos and prohibitions against "sinful" acts, as an arena for philosophical speculation, as an account of history, as a repository of customs and traditional laws, as a point of view on the nature and attitude of the universe and the meaning of human existence, as a justification for ritual, as a framework for ethics, as an inspiration for art, and so on. Different types of games will emphasize different aspects of religion, and it may by that it's only adventure games that really have the potential (or need) to grapple with the inner life of a believer. However, it seems to me that it is the personal experience of religious faith, of spiritual revelation, that sets religion apart from other human phenomena, and which is therefore the most interesting (even if the most challenging) reason to use religion in a game.

Another interesting question is to what extent games that allow you to play God (or a god), such as Populous, Black & White, Okami and many others, alter the way religion is perceived. And how many games allow you to experience divine powers approaching omnipotence (such as the ability to rewind time). Does it make it easier for the human mind to comprehend what godhood means? Does it expose contradictions in the concept? Does it trivialize deities?

Edit: Another AGS game that deals with religion (or at least myth) is What Linus Bruckman Sees When His Eyes Are Closed. The upper half of the screen retells the story of Izanagi and Izanami from Japanese mythology, and is intertwined with it in a complex and very cool way. It doesn't really deal with faith, either, but it seems authentic even in its revisionism.
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Mon 12/02/2007 19:54:40
The official Press Release, for those who care:

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Manifesto Games (www.manifestogames.com) is delighted to congratulate Dave Gilbert, whose development studio Wadjet Eye Games has been nominated for a Game Developers Choice Award in the category of Best New Studio. Dave's two games, The Shivah, released in the fall of 2006, and The Blackwell Legacy, released in January 2007, are both distributed by Manifesto Games.

The Developers Choice Awards are nominated and voted on by developer members of the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) and are presented at the Game Developers Conference. This year, the conference will be in San Francisco and the awards ceremony will take place on Wednesday, March 7 at the Moscone Convention Center. The other studios nominated in the same category are Gastronaut Studios; Iron Lore Entertainment; Naked Sky Entertainment; and Ready At Dawn Studios.

"Dave has great narrative abilities and a true quirky originality; I can't imagine anyone else delivering a game about a Rabbi undergoing a crisis of faith, let alone one so compelling," says Greg Costikyan, CEO of Manifesto Games, the online distributor of independently produced games. "Dave's games are the best illlustration I know of that great gameplay is not dependent on glitz or graphics but on good writing and design. He deserves this nomination and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy," Costikyan continued.

"You know how people say it's an honor just to be nominated? Well it really is - my co-nominees are incredibly talented and accomplished and I really didn't imagine things would take off like this," Dave Gilbert told Manifesto. "The Shivah was my first commercial game and for while I as waiting for someone to tap me on the shoulder and tell me that the reviews and sales weren't real, or that there was some kind of mistake. I think it's great that the industry has evolved to the point where it not only accepts games like mine, but also takes time to honor them. "
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Post by: Nacho on Mon 12/02/2007 20:10:20
I think it deserves attention because it' s a good game, Mr. Flibble...
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Post by: EagerMind on Tue 13/02/2007 11:53:49
Wow, your gamble to go full-time into game development really seems to paying off. Congratulations, and here's wishes for your continued success! Just don't forget the little people when you eventually become the next EA. :)
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Ali on Tue 13/02/2007 15:41:05
The Shivah has Jews in?!

Ahem. Congratulations! It's great that people outside of the AGS community appreciate the depth of character your games offer. I haven't yet played any of your talkies, but even without voices your characters are some of the best 'actors' I've seen in games.
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Vince Twelve on Wed 14/02/2007 00:01:20
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 11/02/2007 00:00:57
Edit: Another AGS game that deals with religion (or at least myth) is What Linus Bruckman Sees When His Eyes Are Closed. The upper half of the screen retells the story of Izanagi and Izanami from Japanese mythology, and is intertwined with it in a complex and very cool way. It doesn't really deal with faith, either, but it seems authentic even in its revisionism.

Heh.  Funny you should mention that in this thread.  The use of the Izanagi myth in the game was inspired by a PM conversation that I had with Dave while I was still planning Linus.  He told me that he was thinking of using some Korean mythology in a game (he was living in Korea at the time) and I thought, "Hey! I'm living in Japan, I should work some Japanese mythology into my game!"

Congrats again Dave.  The things you're doing are amazing!  Good luck!
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Post by: Klytos on Wed 14/02/2007 00:19:30
Congrats!
Title: Re: It's official!
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Wed 14/02/2007 02:18:54
Quote from: Vince Twelve
Heh.  Funny you should mention that in this thread.  The use of the Izanagi myth in the game was inspired by a PM conversation that I had with Dave while I was still planning Linus.  He told me that he was thinking of using some Korean mythology in a game (he was living in Korea at the time) and I thought, "Hey! I'm living in Japan, I should work some Japanese mythology into my game!"

Congrats again Dave.  The things you're doing are amazing!  Good luck!

Haha.  RIGHT.  I totally forgot about that.  A fantasy rpg inspired by the myth of Tangun.  I did about a page or two of notes of ideas and then forgot about it.  Ah well.  If the idea helped inspire YOU, it was worth it.