Kill Bill Vol. 2

Barcik · Sat 17/04/2004 19:54:04

Any of our American cousins seen it yet? It's opening here in less than a week, I can hardly wait. I heard people say that whereus Vol 1. was the blood and flesh of the movie, Vol. 2 is the heart and soul. I really want to know how these two movies add up together. Just 6 more days...

Meanwhile, here's an exact quote of Quentin Tarantino, from an interview he gave an Israeli reporter.

"Q: Which volume do you prefer, the first one or the second one?
A: It's difficult to answer such a question. It's a little bit like asking a father what he likes more, his daughter's legs or her ass?"

Grundislav · Sat 17/04/2004 20:39:20

I saw it last night. I'll start by saying I really enjoyed Volume 1, despite the fact that it was mostly hacking and slashing and little dialogue or character development.

That said, I REALLY enjoyed Volume 2. I thought it was a perfect Yang to Volume 1's Yin. The two halves really are quite different in tone, style, and especially the violence/dialogue ratio. I won't spoil anything, but I will say that I felt the wait was definitely worth it, and I'm curious as to how the two halves would play out when joined together.

Don't read any of the reviews for the movie. If you liked Volume 1, you'll probably like Volume 2, as long as you don't go in expecting the same level of gore. This movie is more suspenseful than violent.

Anyway, hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Sylpher · Sat 17/04/2004 21:25:01

Just got back from it myself and to sum in one word..

"Rawesomafabuloticous!"

Which is good!

Structure wise (You know QT has gotta mix things all crazy) I can see erics point he brought up earlier (About how showing certain things out of order tarnished supense) which I will discuss more indepth after more people have been allowed to watch it (I could hide it but it really should be a convo and those hiden convos get annoying).

Anyways I thought it was great..

Gfunkera · Sat 17/04/2004 21:36:23

It was stupid, and pretty much retarted to release vol. 1 & 2 they should have been just one movie cause the first to me, IMO is just one big intro!! So hopefully the second one is good! I'm not saying the first one was not good, but I am saying after watching it you feel like all you watched was some long movie trailer! Well atleast thats the way it made me feel! $:-\$

DGMacphee · Sun 18/04/2004 04:51:32

I read on IMDB that critics who enjoyed the first one enjoyed the second one even more, while critics who hated the first one hated the second one even more.

However, the number of critics that enjoyed it is significantly higher that the ones who didn't.

Nevertheless, I won't be able to see it until next week.

LGM · Sun 18/04/2004 06:31:19

Just got back from seeing it.. And I must say.

Best fucking movie in the longest fucking time!

"You're a terrific girl. One of my favorites. But sometimes, you can be a cunt."

If you liked Kill Bill Vol. 1.. Kill Bill Vol. 2 is like a whole other movie, and you'll enjoy it even more. And all who say there is no character development in Vol.1 obviously must've gone to the bathroom through the whole O'Ren Ishi anime segment, and must've had their hearing-aids turned down real low to catch all the dialogue in Vol. 2.

Anyways.. Most people who hate this movie either A. Don't get it. B. Don't like this kinds of movies, or C. Are just jealous that they couldn't of made a movie so damn good.

But I do have a complaint that some scenes were rather drawn out too long.. And the movie could've been cut down by at least 10 minutes if that damn Esteban would've talked faster.

Nacho · Sun 18/04/2004 11:16:55

Good Lord... I think I'm gonna be the "party spoiler" who didn't liked the Vol.1. $:-\$

Yes, the structure and all that is good... I liked in the first part:

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When she tells a whole story while trying to move her toes... was it the manga story?

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But the argument (IMO) is too naive and the fights, if supperbs when talking of choreography, are spoiled by the fountains of blood... I know it is like in the old HongKong's films, but I never really like the HongKong films.

In addition, I saw lots of details like those that just didn't worked for making me feel in "ok, this film is suppeb comic turned into "flesh :o", but "argh... this is just stupid

"

But of course, we're talking of personal feelings... I can't discuss with you if you liked it.

Barcik · Sun 18/04/2004 14:16:25

Kill Bill Vol. 2 made a solid 163rd place entrance to the IMDB top 250 best movies of all time. Usually, it's reliable. It also scored a nice 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is excepetional considering the movie's... err... uniqueness.

Can't wait!!!

Blackthorne · Sun 18/04/2004 16:04:20

I really Enjoyed Kill Bill Vols. 1 & 2, having seen 2 Friday night.

It's just a fun movie, it doesn't take itself TOO seriously, and it pays homage to genre cinema. It's obvious a lover of movies, and film, especially Hong Kong Kung-Fu Films, Grindhouse Cinema, Spaghetti Westerns and such, made this movie. Yes, the action and violence are over the top, but it never claimed to be a realistic movie. It's just a film, meant to entertain and engage you - which it certainly did for me. I'd love to view it as a whole film, all 4+ hours, personally.

Bt

LGM · Sun 18/04/2004 17:49:48

I predict the release of a DVD of volume 1 and 2 uncut and all together as if it were one movie.

Does anyone know where he got that first bit from where she's driving the car? Or is that just a general thing they did in 50's pulp fiction b&w films?

MillsJROSS · Sun 18/04/2004 20:16:55

QuoteIt was stupid, and pretty much retarted to release vol. 1 & 2 they should have been just one movie cause the first to me, IMO is just one big intro!! So hopefully the second one is good! I'm not saying the first one was not good, but I am saying after watching it you feel like all you watched was some long movie trailer! Well atleast thats the way it made me feel!

I believe QT was told he had to edit the movie, but he decided to split it into two volumes instead. However, I think it works better as two movies. The length of the movies combined is probably around three hours and forty-five minutes or more, and while I enjoyed the films, I don't have the patience to sit for that long in a theater. So the split, to me, seemed logical and essential.

The second movie is quite different from the first one, not as much action, but I think more enjoyable. And to the argument that out of order things ruin the suspence. I don't necessarily agree. Because when you see something out of sequence, you can only wonder what must have happened to get to that point.

These movies are pure entertainment to me...that and feet. I think it was mixed well enough with a fun plot, good humour, action, love, and betrayal. I won't say it's the all time greatest movie I've ever seen, it won't make my top ten films, but it'll surely be a movie I'll see a couple more times.

-MillsJROSS

Esseb · Sun 18/04/2004 21:03:04

I'll hide most of my post even though someone's going to post a spoiler shortly anyway and people who haven't seen the movie should know this forum better than to have read this far in the thread.

I must be one of the few who thought the second part was pretty mediocre. Where the plot in the first part was nothing more than an excuse to show some quite amazing and stylish fight scenes, the second part doesn't have anything else but the story which is too shallow to keep me interested on its own.

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By the end I couldn't care less if Beatrix finished her revenge or not. Overall it feels like a too long ending to a good movie.

The only redeeming part of volume 2 was the flashback to the training with Pei Mei, but if all it adds to the movie is that anti-climatic fight at end it might as well have been snipped.

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"You're a terrific girl. One of my favorites. But sometimes, you can be a cunt."
Woop de doo, he said "cunt".

Edit: For the record I loved the first movie and went into the theater expecting more of the same, which might have made me critique it too harshly, but I doubt it.

Barcik · Sun 18/04/2004 21:58:04

A solid 25.6$ million start for Volume 2, 3.5$ million more than the first one.

My hype-o-meter will soon explode.

LGM · Mon 19/04/2004 00:45:42

Esseb: I didn't post that cause he said cunt.. I just thought it was a good line.

Am I the only one that thought the plot was intriguing. I mean, you had to expect the anti-climactic ending the way they acted around eachother in the opening scene..

But I won't say anymore. All I know is that I'm gonna go see it again.

Esseb · Mon 19/04/2004 01:19:23

And I posted that because I thought it was not a good line.

Kinoko · Mon 19/04/2004 01:53:03

I haven't seen either one because I'm one of those picky people who wants to see them both together as close to one movie as they can get... so I'm waiting for the "marathon".

I -do- want to see them though. Am I the only one who was completely excited about the movie when they heard it was QT's new one and saw some screenshots, and then almost completely put off when they heard Uma thurman and Lucy Liu were the main actresses?

Argh! I haaaaaaate them! I just don't know if I can look at Uma Thurman for that long. I'll try, I really will. I like QT sticking the same people in his movies when it's someone like Harvey Keitel but Uma... blech.

LGM · Mon 19/04/2004 03:03:07

What's your beef with Uma.

She's one of the most attractive women in Film.. Not only that, but she's awesome in the movies. Lucy Liu is bleh.

Kinoko · Mon 19/04/2004 07:15:24

I don't find her attractive at all. She's got that permanent 'drug-#@$!ed' look about her.

LGM · Tue 20/04/2004 02:28:34

You have serious issues.

Squinky · Tue 20/04/2004 02:45:11

Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 19/04/2004 07:15:24
I don't find her attractive at all. She's got that permanent 'drug-#@$!ed' look about her.

I tend to agree...

Kill Bill Vol. 2

LGM