Kill Bill

[MrColossal]

this is so frustrating cause it doesn't seem like anything i say matters to you even. i don't know what i expect i guess just not these broad generalizations as to what i thought about the movie or something.

"The characters were all pretty cool, including "Charlie Brown" and the last 88 whose life she spares. I don't think "BAM!, switch this scene with a stadium showdown and there's a good movie" is plausible."

i take it this is in response to my reply to barcik?

well first here's a silly reply that means nothing cause i don't care and it didn't happen: that's the only way to transition from one scene to the next with a bam and an exclamation mark? come on, if he's such an amazing writer that's all you give him credit for?

and now here's this... why did i sit through an entire back history of Ishii when i know she's dead anyway? that was quite jarring wouldn't you say in a BAM! type way? Mostly cause it's not live actors anymore but animation. Maybe I'll learn about the reasons for learning about Ishii but how come i didn't learn about Vivica? Wouldn't we like to know why these people are who they are but we just learn about Ishii. Maybe we'll learn who Vivica is in the second movie and maybe it'll be done through puppets or something, but wait since she's black and Ishii is japanese and they used anime to portray it i guess they'll have to use old jazz singers to sing a song about Vivica's life. [i'm joking obviously]

again, maybe the second movie answers all these questions as to why she kill Ishii first and then Vivica Fox last [i like to think that Vivica Fox didn't know they were making a movie and they just busted up on her and beat the shit outta her and that she normally keeps guns in her cereal [which brings up another question, when the dad comes home and he's sad and they're packing up mommy's things will they find guns in like everything? "These aren't tampons, they're guns! [which brings up another question, if the kid didn't come home would Vivica had said "Now if you'll excuse me, i have to go put a tampon in..."] ] ]

i'm going to go watch family guy now

eric

[DGMacphee]

Ishii's death is kinda the same as Vincent Vega's in Pulp Fiction.

He dies halfway through the film, yet you see him at the end walking away with Jules from the restaurant -- Jules has made the decision to quit being a gangster and walk the earth while we see Vincent move towards his inevitable death.

I think it's similar to Ishii's death, because we see this background of a vengeful character who has an absolute bloodlust -- Yet, she still manages to get taken down by The Bride.

That's another aspect that interests me in terms of conflict -- Yes, Ishii dies, we know that.

However, what I wanted to know was this: HOW the hell did The Bride manage to defeat such a strong enemy, especially considering Ishii's been killing people since childhood?

Yeap, we know the result of that particular episode, but it's enjoying the journey (answering the HOW party) that's the interesting part.

At least, that's what I found.

[even wolf]

am I really making broad generalizations? I'm sorry if I am but it sounded to me like your reply to barcik was to say as if writing was a big mix n' match - and the stadium scene would have worked better.  

I argue with that statement, regardless if its yours or not- claiming that filmmakers often start with a visual idea or a certain scene as the hub of their film- and form their story around it. And the fact that QT put so much emphasis on the House of Blue Leaves indicates to me that this scene is probably one of the first images of Kill Bill that manifested in QT's mind. And therefore if producers forced QT to replace the scene with something else exciting - could possibly have depleted QT's motivation for the film.

what am I misreading eric? I guess this argument is suffering because your statements have a certain ambiguitity to me, possibly due to your apathy.  To argue against your claims has nothing to do with my thoughts about you or your character.  Sorry I have opinions.... about film.... I am a film student....  and ..... anal retentive ... and looking to start shit! Yeah!

[even wolf]

Reason for Ishii background:
She is the head of a rather large organized crime syndicate or whatever. She holds a huge position of power.  Why an assassin of equal rank to the bride came to be so powerful needs explanation as well as building up.  Ishii had multiple characters under her control and she served as the boss character for the entire chapter.

Reason for anime:
I haven't the slightest clue.  When I saw it, it was the most bizaare thing to me.  I have no argument for this at the moment, but it certainly didn't bother me.  Since the movie was divided into chapters- it worked well I thought rather than going from a live action frame directly into animated.

Reason Vivica had no background chapter:
She's a housewife and mother. Her wedding and pregnancy I'm assuming would have slowed down the pace of the movie just a bit.  Rather - there was dialogue to establish her relationship to the Bride: "I should have been Black Mamba" etc.   Also, we had to see Vivica without history because her scene is so short and gimmicky.  The style of the scene is nowhere near as elaborate as Ishii's.  Again, I argue QT had little devotion to this scene then he did House of Blue Leaves.

[Esseb]

The movie was decided to be split up after the filming was mostly done right? I'm only guessing now, but maybe the O-Ren bit would take place first if it was kept as one movie. If so I see no need to defend it based on his skills as a script writer. Now where's that original script that's been floating around?

[Barcik]

I've gotten myself the soundtrack of this movie, and it's bloody cool as well. Total divese, mostly-instrumental wackiness. Absolutely great!  

[remixor]

I thought the usage of the instrumental music was great, but my favorite song on the soundtrack was actually that "Bang, Bang" song, sung by Nancy Sinatra if I remember the credits correctly.  I don't recall who wrote it.

[Alynn]

The movie was decided to be split up after the filming was mostly done right? I'm only guessing now, but maybe the O-Ren bit would take place first if it was kept as one movie. If so I see no need to defend it based on his skills as a script writer. Now where's that original script that's been floating around?

Actually after the script was written and before shooting they split it into two volumes, they couldnt figure out how to put it all in one movie (and not have it 4/5 hours long)

The origional script was done durning the filming of pulp fiction, I cant remember if it was Uma that brought the idea to Quin, or he thought of it and went to her, either way it was a combined effort between the two of them... to what extent I dont remmeber...

The full details are kinda fuzzy... it was on some special I was watching about Quin and his movies...