I'm Thinking of Getting a Mac...

tube · Sun 09/09/2007 11:58:28

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 07/09/2007 22:19:50
When you stop to consider that the mac OS runs only on macs you realize that it's much easier to design a stable platform in that light. Windows XP runs on a damn near infinite number of architectures/platforms. It's much more open and flexible in that regard than mac's OS.

Well, not exactly. Windows XP only runs on 32 and 64 bit x86 architectures as far as I know. But maybe you meant that it has support for lots of different PC hardware. Linux for example does run on a multitude of architectures in addition to PCs.

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 07/09/2007 22:19:50If mac had to re-design their OS to run on the wide range of platforms that Windows runs on it would be just as succeptable to viruses and crashes. Probably more so since they'd be "new" to the game.

The reason Windows is so virus prone is simple. Most people run Windows, which is why the losers who write new viruses (virii?) target that platform. There are infinitely more Windows viruses around than there are Linux or Mac viruses, ergo Windows users have more problems.

There's no such thing as a secure OS, but there are several independent research reports that claim Windows is especially vulnerable due to bad design decisions or somesuch. As evidenced by Linux, the amount of platforms or architectures supported does not automatically mean more vulnerabilities, unless they are caused by badly written third party hardware drivers or whatever. Actually a virus compiled for let's say 32 bit x86 Linux might not run at all on the same Linux distro running on a 64 bit system, or even different versions of the same distro with a different kernel version. Depending on which component of the system the virus targets of course.

But this is getting way off topic... Just felt like talking nonsense for a bit.

Lionmonkey · Sun 09/09/2007 13:21:44

This is why you shouldn't buy mac:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AnVUvW42CUA

Darth Mandarb · Sun 09/09/2007 16:39:32

Quote from: tube on Sun 09/09/2007 11:58:28The reason Windows is so virus prone is simple. Most people run Windows, which is why the losers who write new viruses (virii?) target that platform. There are infinitely more Windows viruses around than there are Linux or Mac viruses, ergo Windows users have more problems.

Exactly the point I've been making for years. Which is why I just laugh my ass off when mac-snobs say "yeah ... I don't run anti-virus. Just don't need it." I cannot wait for the first mac-virus that wipes out all their super-secure systems! Which then makes me feel like a hypocrit 'cause I want to torture/maim all virus writers for the scumbags low-life pieces of monkey shit they are.

But there it is.

enkerro · Sun 09/09/2007 21:12:11

But in the end, does any of this "Mac or PC" -hulabaloo even matter?

lo_res_man · Sun 09/09/2007 21:37:54

it matters because it doesn't, people will make an issue about anything, and often do. As a personal preferance I like Windows, I like having two keys on my mouse, andI like playing practicly every game in existance, though it would be nice to play some of those pre-myst cyan games. (I own the activision Manhole)

Oliwerko · Sun 09/09/2007 21:45:57

Quote from: Lionmonkey on Sun 09/09/2007 13:21:44
This is why you shouldn't buy mac:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AnVUvW42CUA

That's like the american incident with the 5 white police guys hitting the one black guy with their batons. Just cut out of the context.

enkerro · Sun 09/09/2007 21:54:37

It's just plain silly. I mean think about it:
Some sweaty basement-dwellers keep bitching about Macs because it can't play some game and they embark on a dumb crusade about it.
No-one forces them to buy one and they keep throwing that age-old remark about "Macs no have right click durr".
But also Mac -users who become all high and mighty because they have an OS with a shinier GUI than Windows or whatever the hell reason they got. This results in half-assed arguments inside and outside the internet.

I'm not saying everyone is like this. I'm saying it has gotten really old really fast.

EDIT: Besides, this thread has strayed too far from the original question.

Radiant · Sun 09/09/2007 22:37:42

Ah, we get the same standard arguments as always. Yes, Macs are more secure than PCs. While it is true that more viruses are written for Windows because of its popularity, it is also true that both MacOS and Linux are more securely designed than Windows.

Yes, Windows runs on more different system configurations than MacOS, but it is never true that there is only a single Mac build that it runs on, and Windows also notoriously fails to run properly on certain PC hardware combinations.

And yes, two-button mice (or three-button mice, or wheel mice) are available for the Mac, although I never understand why they ship one-button mice as a standard.

The main argument why everybody should be running a Windows PC is because everybody's favorite adventure game design toolkit was written for Windows.

enkerro · Sun 09/09/2007 22:44:33

Oh, I forgot to add that they do ship two-button mice with Macs. It just looks like a one-button mouse.

Vince Twelve · Mon 10/09/2007 01:16:30

Yes, Macs do indeed ship with a 2-button "Mighty Mouse." But as a Mac Book Pro owner, user, and lover (I have both Mac and Windows installed on it, but only switch over to Windows for games) I have to say that the Mighty Mouse is a terrible mouse.

If you click on the right mouse button, but your index finger is still resting on the left mouse button, it registers as a left click. You have to lift up your index finger before clicking with your middle finger on the right mouse button, which is completely contrary to the usual relaxed mouse grip that I'm used to from years of non-crappy mouse usage. I appreciate Apple's sense of style and design, and the Mighty Mouse sure does look pretty, but this is a case of design over functionality that really frustrates me sometime. Don't try playing FPSs with a Mighty Mouse.

voh · Mon 10/09/2007 10:44:13

Heh. It seems the Nintendo-Sega feud crowd of my youth is now bitching about Mac-PC.

I like both, and therefore combine them. I am the saviour.

Vince Twelve · Mon 10/09/2007 13:01:23

Quote from: voh on Mon 10/09/2007 10:44:13
I like both, and therefore combine them. I am the saviour.

Quote from: Vince Twelve on Mon 10/09/2007 01:16:30
But as a Mac Book Pro owner, user, and lover (I have both Mac and Windows installed on it, but only switch over to Windows for games)

But how can there be two saviors?

voh · Mon 10/09/2007 14:25:40

Well, I primarily run windows on my mac, you primarily run OSX on your mac.

Therefore I am at least twice as awesomely saviouristic as you there.

Though he did finish some games and I didn't, so that loses me credit.

*mathemitizes*

Yup, you're the saviour

Darth Mandarb · Mon 10/09/2007 15:48:40

I often look at the Mac/PC debate like the automobile industry. The PC is like a Honda Civic and the Mac is like a Mercedes Benz. Both do essentially the exact same thing, neither (in my opinion) really outdoing the other, the Mercedes just looks prettier while doing it and costs a lot more.

lo_res_man · Mon 10/09/2007 19:41:22

Though I like windows, I will never even if the threten me with red hot pokers will I buy Vista

Oooh fancy tilting windows, no use what so ever but it is shiny and uses memory :

. TOTAL eyecandy, ugh!

Khris · Tue 11/09/2007 01:24:14

One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't:

lo_res_man · Tue 11/09/2007 02:22:38

Vive la DOS! sure you can run only one program at a time, but if there is a problem you near to the bones of the problem as it were and you might with a little ( okey a lot) of know-how actully be able to fix it.as well if the computer bugs you you can kick off the power-bar in OS, a very satisfying feeling I must say.
Okay DOS isn't great and neither is windows or Macs, they are all tools, and they all have there strengths and weakneses. I don't know what the next killer app will be but I do know you bunch of jingoist nutjobs better stop, being ,so SILLY!

Vince Twelve · Tue 11/09/2007 03:39:03

Quote from: voh on Mon 10/09/2007 14:25:40
Well, I primarily run windows on my mac, you primarily run OSX on your mac.

Therefore I am at least twice as awesomely saviouristic as you there.

Though he did finish some games and I didn't, so that loses me credit.

*mathemitizes*

Yup, you're the saviour

But, I use my Sony Vaio laptop way more than my MBP, which I actually bought for my wife. So maybe you're the savior. If I were the savior, I would perform a miracle to bring my Vaio back from the brink of death where it's currently perched. Turn away from the light, Vaio! Turn away!