Even though MTV will just turn around and trash this show just like they did with every other great performance, I can't help but love them for it.
I finished watching Korn Unplugged about two hours ago. And it's still growing on me. I downloaded the torrent imeadiatly.
I'm not that big of a fan of Korn, but I know that they are all musical geniuses and deserve respect. They have done some of the best covers of all time and they know how to treat other musician's work.
This show was outstanding. The best show I've seen on TV and I've seen about a hundred broadcast concerts. An amazing cover of Creep by Radiohead and a version of Freak On A Leash with Amy Lee from Evanescence, who in my opinion has the best female voice in music today.
But the best part, by far, was the duet with Robert Smith and the rest of The Cure. Combining Make Me Bad and In Between Days, and the polar oppositions of their voices make for a blood chilling work of art.
Anyone else see this show? If you haven't seen this I highly recommend it. You can find the torrent online and it's totally worth the download. (Psst: BtJunkie has the most peers, by the way.)
I'm on my fifth time listening to these songs. Great show Korn, and great job MTV.
Or, if you feel like being legal, you can buy the CD :)
Quote from: Evil on Sat 03/03/2007 07:05:15
An amazing cover of Creep by Radiohead and a version of Freak On A Leash with Amy Lee from Evanescence, who in my opinion has the best female voice in music today.
But the best part, by far, was the duet with Robert Smith and the rest of The Cure. Combining Make Me Bad and In Between Days, and the polar oppositions of their voices make for a blood chilling work of art.
Im f'cking sold. Will download immediately.
On another note, they're now confirmed for download festival. I saw them last year but unfortunately Johnathan Davies was ill and unable to play, this year shall be good :)
Oh dear.
Musical geniuses? I don't think so.
You always get dicks who lack an open mind when it comes to music. I can guarantee neither Pslocum or 'Medical Waste' have actually taken a listen to this album.
After listening to it a few times Evil it really has grown on me, not so sure about freak with Amy Lee she really does overpower Johnathan with her voice.
The Creep cover is ace, even if he can't hit the highs :) The track with Robert Smith is ace in a completely different way, they've managed some amazing dynamics with their vocals (although the use of old lyrics puts me off a little).
Worth a download anyway, did you get a video version or audio?
I certainly do not lack an open mind to music. I don't know how you get that just because I don't like a mainstream band very much. I have heard Korn before. I'm not saying they're terrible, but musical geniuses is high praise that I don't think they are very worthy of.
My comment was more aimed at pslocum than you MW. With his pointless one word reply it reminds me of a lot of the shit that my band and the bands that i promote get from the few mindless people who call them selves musicians but in reality will get no where without an open mind.
Maybe 'dick' was a little ott :=
And Korn are regarded as 'Musical geniuses' by a great deal of people, i myself only have two albums but i can appreciate that they have a very unique and distinguishable sound to their music, one that will live on far longer than a great deal of other 'mainstream bands' (MCR, FOB, iamghost, Aiden come to mind).
I'll say it. They're terrible.
QuoteYou always get dicks who lack an open mind when it comes to music. I can guarantee neither Pslocum or 'Medical Waste' have actually taken a listen to this album.
I love when this happens. Whenever someone says X band is terrible, it usually leads to two things: a) accusations of being hat0rz who don't have an open mind, or b) accusations of being hat0rz who haven't listened to the album yet.
I've got an open mind. Why? Because I listened to some Korn albums. My conclusion: A bunch of angsty high-school wankery from a bunch of angsty, untalented dorks. They do the same angsty bullshit on every album and that's all they'll ever do. Compare the lyrics of one of their recent songs to one of their earlier songs. It's all the same: "hi i'm an outsider of society who craves sex to ease my pain of dead bodies everywhere but my girlfriend fucked me over so i hate that bitch whore meanwhile i fucked my best friends girlfriend and now i hate myself and i also hate my parents so i now want to kill myself fuck fuck fuckity fuck".
I've heard a lot of people say they're musical geniuses. Why? Because they invented nu metal? Bloody hell, look at other bands spawned under the nu metal tag: Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, P.O.D., Slipknot... I mean, Jesus, I've never heard of a more untalented category of bands (yes, more untalented than polka bands and barbershop quartets). This is what Korn created? Seriously, the music industry could do with out that shit.
And describing Korn's appearance on MTV as a "great show" is like eating crusty two-week old hotdog from the fattest, hairiest, smelliest carny you've ever met, rubbing your belly and saying "YUM YUM YUM! MORE PLEASE!"
Also, they can't spell.
Just saying...
Quote from: DGMacphee on Sun 04/03/2007 14:28:19
I'll say it. They're terrible.
QuoteYou always get dicks who lack an open mind when it comes to music. I can guarantee neither Pslocum or 'Medical Waste' have actually taken a listen to this album.
I love when this happens. Whenever someone says X band is terrible, it usually leads to two things: a) accusations of being hat0rz who don't have an open mind, or b) accusations of being hat0rz who haven't listened to the album yet.
I've got an open mind. Why? Because I listened to some Korn albums. My conclusion: A bunch of angsty high-school wankery from a bunch of angsty, untalented dorks. They do the same angsty bullshit on every album and that's all they'll ever do. Compare the lyrics of one of their recent songs to one of their earlier songs. It's all the same: "hi i'm an outsider of society who craves sex to ease my pain of dead bodies everywhere but my girlfriend fucked me over so i hate that bitch whore meanwhile i fucked my best friends girlfriend and now i hate myself and i also hate my parents so i now want to kill myself fuck fuck fuckity fuck".
I've heard a lot of people say they're musical geniuses. Why? Because they invented nu metal? Bloody hell, look at other bands spawned under the nu metal tag: Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, P.O.D., Slipknot... I mean, Jesus, I've never heard of a more untalented category of bands (yes, more untalented than polka bands and barbershop quartets). This is what Korn created? Seriously, the music industry could do with out that shit.
And describing Korn's appearance on MTV as a "great show" is like eating crusty two-week old hotdog from the fattest, hairiest, smelliest carny you've ever met, rubbing your belly and saying "YUM YUM YUM! MORE PLEASE!"
Your post lacks any consistency DG. You accuse me of using the comment 'people who lack an open mind towards foreign music genres', but you've obviously got Korn summed up into your own nice comfortable stereotype.
Doing this means that ultimately you're going to end up listening to the same old until you get sick of it, and when it comes to the point that you're looking for something new all these bands you've stereotyped into genre's will be unaccessible to you.
If this is how you like to deal with bands that you obviously don't know anything about then that's fine but i'm not going to take the time to explain to you why your wrong.
I don't know if your a musician yourself but good luck finding other musicians who want to work like this.
Ooh dear.
Let me just say, as a person who despises most Korn music, the unplugged album REALLY is a decent listen.
But how dare you DGMacphee. How DARE you insult polka like that. Polka players are GENIUSES! You bastard.
I love DGMacphee. Ã,Â
You summed it all up well. Ã, I can only add that they suck so bad that their guitar player left them for Jesus.
Korn is a schtick, packaged and sold to you like a pack of Slim-Jims. Ã,Â
"Here kids! Ã, Here's some angst for you to relate to. Ã, We're going to go rest on our yacht, grab a rhyming dictionary and see how many hookers we can kill before the government gets suspicious."
Bt
Let's see now...
* People cannot relate to a band, or to some lyrics (no matter how rubbish they are/may seem), thus the band is completly untalented/rubbish!
* People cannot judge music, because they don't know music themselves.
You won't believe how pissed off you make me with this thread.
Korn are not the gods of music, or geniouses, that's for sure. I have 4 albums btw, and I bought all of them, with my own will. So I can judge and speak and know about Korn a little bit.
Talented? why not! The bassist really is not the greatest around, and surely their guitar playing is not amazing! But... But... btw, the songs are really well crafted, and what's most important in this "genre" (how I hate this word...), produced amazingly! What NIN did for Marilyn Manson, did the producer(s) for Korn...
Having lyrics like any bullshit, helps selling. Are we looking for peace messages in Korn music? nope! Are there any messages maybe that are worth something? Maybe about child abuse? (yes), maybe about war? (yes), maybe about music companies? (yes).
Bottom line, I cannot believe that there is any band/artist that has sold soooooooo much much world wide, and is not worth it. Even Christina Aguilera has something about her (the total opposite to Korn maybe...). Madonna? Michael Jackson? NIN? Marilyn Manson. you may not like it, but in the end selling millions means something. It measn that people who think that these bands are simply stupid and only rubbish, just don't get it. without this meaning anything about their taste in music, their knowledge of music, or their IQ at all! They just don't get it!
Are they packaged? For sure they are. But only indie groups are not packaged, all mainstream are, no matter the genre.
Why do people say Fieldy is an "amazing" bass player. His tone sounds like a dying wheelbarrow slapping against a dead trout.
Bt
Why do people go into threads just to make fun of people and call them stupid?
Why does anybody post at all?
::)
I'll have to check this out. I'm not a major fan of Korn by any means but older albums like "Korn" and "Life Is Peachy" really make me wet :)
QuoteAnd describing Korn's appearance on MTV as a "great show" is like eating crusty two-week old hotdog from the fattest, hairiest, smelliest carny you've ever met
So you hate it/them, why don't you shutup for once? ;)
Quote from: Chicky on Sun 04/03/2007 12:00:08
My comment was more aimed at pslocum than you MW. With his pointless one word reply it reminds me of a lot of the shit that my band and the bands that i promote get from the few mindless people who call them selves musicians but in reality will get no where without an open mind.
I like how you've gotten all this from my 'one word' reply. Mind readin' over the internets!!!1
As to the topic itself, it's always rather interesting when somebody in a situation like this decides to proceed by making ad hominem attacks against people instead of defending or even talking about the music itself. In this case, wildly assumptive ad hominem attacks against somebody who only said two words- "he must not even have listened to the music", "he's just like all these other assholes who insulted my band", etc. And the always-overused 'open minded', in this case, means that if I don't like your band the only possible reasons are because a) I haven't ever heard them, or b) am an intolerant old stick in the mud. Not, y'know. Anything having to do with the music.
Also: if a joke reply irritates you and you know nothing about the person who wrote it, it's generally not a wise idea to blindly fulminate against the 'probable' reasons they made the reply. Why, you might even ignore it instead of waging pointless battles on the internet!
My my..
Threads like these make it impossible to be completely neutral :)
Oh well.. I don't listen to Korn at all but hey there's always time to change that..
Think I'll check out that performance ;D
Jesus christ you're all a bunch of dicks. Can't anybody post about something they like without people coming in JUST to be contrary?
Pesty: Where's the fun in that? ;)
Pslocum: I didn't get your post was a joke either actually... :-/
Quote from: Nikolas on Sun 04/03/2007 21:01:56
Pslocum: I didn't get your post was a joke either actually... :-/
Alas.
To anybody else: As I was hoping the 'pointless internet battles' comment would convey, I think this is rather silly and have little interest in pursuing it further. So, uh. Feel free to call me a bastard or a defiler of public decency or whatever, but don't address me expecting a reply. kthxbye
Eww Korn...
And here's the first good grounds on saying that:
I don't like their music! Now try and tell me I'm wrong with my opinion. Tell me I like them! You can't. because I know better what I like. Because it's my opinion, not the common one. Ok, so I don't see what people like about it, but so what.
Quote from: Tuomas on Sun 04/03/2007 22:15:21
Eww Korn...
And here's the first good grounds on saying that:
I don't like their music! Now try and tell me I'm wrong with my opinion. Tell me I like them! You can't. because I know better what I like. Because it's my opinion, not the common one. Ok, so I don't see what people like about it, but so what.
I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like them. I don't like them, either. But people should at least have the decency to respect that some people DO and want to discuss them without having people come in here and constantly go "Eww, Korn". Nobody's forcing you to change your opinion. If you don't like them, don't reply to the thread. Is that SO hard?
I watched this, and let's let it just be told early, I don't like Korn. Or Amy Lee for that matter.
But I noticed that about 70% of the sound come from their accompanying percussion ensembles and orchestras. In fact, all you can really hear from the band is Jonathan Davis' voice and occasionally Munky's guitar. You CAN however hear bass, as there are 3 upright bassists to make up for Fieldy's (in my opinion) terrible tone. My theory behind them having so many guests and accompanying musicians is this: They didn't sound very good unplugged, so they got more musicians so it sounds decent. However, most of the songs are so drastically different from the regular versions, they're unrecognizable.
So No, I didn't really like this episode of Unplugged, since it was barely even Korn, and I would have enjoyed to see it be just Korn, so they may prove me wrong, that they actually can make decent music without the distortion of guitar and bass. But so far I am not convinced.
Quote from: Pesty on Sun 04/03/2007 22:23:25
Quote from: Tuomas on Sun 04/03/2007 22:15:21
Eww Korn...
And here's the first good grounds on saying that:
I don't like their music! Now try and tell me I'm wrong with my opinion. Tell me I like them! You can't. because I know better what I like. Because it's my opinion, not the common one. Ok, so I don't see what people like about it, but so what.
I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like them. I don't like them, either. But people should at least have the decency to respect that some people DO and want to discuss them without having people come in here and constantly go "Eww, Korn". Nobody's forcing you to change your opinion. If you don't like them, don't reply to the thread. Is that SO hard?
Got up on the wrong side of the bed, did you :) Relax, it's harmless fun. And there's only this much Korn fans here to keep this alive, so why not give them something to talk about?
No, she has a point. It seems very common on the internet that whenever someone states they like something, there's a barrage of people who say it sucks. No matter what it is, it happens. Shit, it could happen with movies like Citizen Kane and God bless it, Star Wars. Get over yourselves, people. Just because someone says they like something doesn't automatically mean they think you like it... Or they even want you to like it.
GET. OVER. YOUR. HIGHLY. OPINIONATED. SELVES.
I didn't really like Citizen Kane that much...
Quote from: Chicky on Sun 04/03/2007 17:36:52
Your post lacks any consistency DG. You accuse me of using the comment 'people who lack an open mind towards foreign music genres', but you've obviously got Korn summed up into your own nice comfortable stereotype.
At least it's based upon what I've listened to of Korn -- mainly their most popular albums and songs. If that's their popular stuff, I can't imagine their other stuff is any better. If you think it's a stereotype, fine. But at least it's a stereotype actually based upon some evidence.
QuoteDoing this means that ultimately you're going to end up listening to the same old until you get sick of it, and when it comes to the point that you're looking for something new all these bands you've stereotyped into genre's will be unaccessible to you.
I haven't stereotyped any genres. All I'm saying is that Korn hasn't developed past their angsty teen hate-my-parents rock since Life Is Peachy. At least other bands branch out and try new things. Korn has been repackaging the same album over and over and over. And they've got an eighth album due out soon. I can't imagine it'll be any different.
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As for anyyone who has said something along the lines of "don't reply if you don't like Korn": Cut the sanctimony and stop being crybabies. If we're going to start a thread about, of all things, Korn, we should allow a right of reply from people who don't like Korn. I don't know what you guys think, but one-sided conversations are shit.
I've shown Evil and Chicky and others enough respect. I haven't said "ur a bunch of retards for liking Korn". No, all I've said is I don't like Korn and these are the reasons why. I haven't made fun of ANYONE in this thread. Well, except for Korn, I guess. But that's because I think they're untalented hacks.
Instead of going "boo hoo don't write if you don't like em" why don't you participate in the actual discussion. Perhaps post your own thoughts about Korn. At least I respect Chicky for replying back to me with something of substance that relates to the discussion at hand.
A lot of you are going "let them discuss Korn without others saying they don't like em". What are we supposed to do? Start a thread where people can talk about how much they don't like Korn and anyone who likes Korn can't respond?? Now, that's retarded!
If people want to go discuss Korn without anti-Korn people replying, go post about it on a Korn board!
I mean, seriously, someone starts a thread about a topic and you're NOT allowed to reply if you don't like it?? What kind of twisted world are you people from!! Y'know, it is possible to show someone respect AND disagree with them BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. I'm sure my rambling on about how I think Korn are untalented isn't going to stop Chicky or Evil or anyone from enjoying them. It's not like I took all their Korn CDs, put them in a big pile, lit them on fire and danced around the flames naked.
Bloody hell, we've had threads where people have disagreed about topics and they're still allowed to reply without anyone going "you hate such-and-such? dont reply!" Has the AGS forum really gotten to the point where, of all things, Korn is too HOT a topic for discussion?
oh wait i forgot this is the internet and its serious business
Disregarding the hoity-toity drama you can find before this post, I just wanted to say that there are, in my opinion, some gems on this album.
I absolutely adore the Cure/Korn crossover (Lookie loo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?video_id=NJ2c-L2Gh9M&l=312&t=OEgsToPDskLIFVl_86pfRdTHM3pjTMqD&s=73B20A7909B97737:6D81F44BF079C16B&fs=1&title=jon%20davis%20and%20the%20cure)) and the rendition they did of Love Song.
I think it's a decent album, even a decent show. I loved the orchestral bits.
All in all, I'm pleased. And yes, I am a long-time Korn fan, though Issues through the Untouchables left me cold. The new album, however, is a step upwards for them, and I'm willing to give them another chance.
This unplugged show gave me some more good tunes to listen to, and that makes me feel good. Regardless of anyone's opinion, because in the end, we all know what we like and dislike, and while it's possible to discuss on things like "they're geniuses" (which they aren't, though good musicians), it is never possible to discuss about taste.
Calling one another dicks and closed-minded gits won't get anyone anywhere, other than just that bit higher on the already high horse.
Giddy-up!
Like I said before, I don't like Korn. This isn't me defending Korn. All I'm saying is that I ALWAYS see people eager to hop into a thread about something somebody likes and getting all over their case about it, and I just don't understand the point. It's one thing entirely to have an actual discussion about Korn, it's another entirely to come into a thread and respond with things like
Quote from: pslocum on Sun 04/03/2007 08:53:05
Oh dear.
Quote from: Medical Waste on Sun 04/03/2007 11:13:53
Musical geniuses? I don't think so.
Quote from: prowler on Sun 04/03/2007 12:07:46
Quote from: Medical Waste on Sun 04/03/2007 11:46:41I'm not saying they're terrible
well you should
How is that discussing anything? All you people are doing is being dicks because you don't like Korn.
Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?
I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.
I think people assume that musicians don't know what they're doing because they make crappy music.
Honestly, I don't like Korn. I don't think their music is that great, but I have respect for what they do.
However, watching this show and seeing what they chose to do, shows to me, that they know what makes a good show. If someone likes metal, someone's gonna say I hate metal and that it sucks. Someone likes emo, someone else hates emo and that it suck.But for a "metal" band to bring together a group to do a semi-acoustic performance, they have to know what they're doing, or it'll never work.
This was very well done performance, and I would recommend it to anyone who has an open mind. They might not be "musical geniuses" in some peoples mind, but anyone that truly appreciates all forms of music can see that Korn has a deep knowledge and understanding of what makes great music.
...even if they don't utilize it. :)
If you want metal mixed with acoustic guitars by real geniuses try Opeth.
I like Opeth, but whenever I think Opeth, a part of me screams "Screw Opeth! Katatonia, idiot!".
But I like both.
Omerta is the most awesome song I've heard over the past year, though.
I could never get into Katatonia as much.
Quote from: Medical Waste on Mon 05/03/2007 02:49:55
Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?
I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.
I'm not a Korn fan, as I've said twice. But that doesn't give me the urge to be a jerk and post "Korn? PAH! Korn sucks!!" just because someone wants to discuss Korn. There's absolutely no need for it. Let the people who want to discuss Korn discuss Korn and keep your rude one liners to yourself.
Quote from: Pesty on Mon 05/03/2007 03:16:21
Quote from: Medical Waste on Mon 05/03/2007 02:49:55
Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?
I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.
I'm not a Korn fan, as I've said twice. But that doesn't give me the urge to be a jerk and post "Korn? PAH! Korn sucks!!" just because someone wants to discuss Korn. There's absolutely no need for it. Let the people who want to discuss Korn discuss Korn and keep your rude one liners to yourself.
I will repeat, I did not say "Korn sucks" or ANYTHING like that at all. The first poster said they were musical geniuses and I disagreed. I AM discussing the band. Welcome to the internet.
Quote from: Medical Waste on Mon 05/03/2007 03:23:56
Quote from: Pesty on Mon 05/03/2007 03:16:21
Quote from: Medical Waste on Mon 05/03/2007 02:49:55
Because I said I don't thinkt they're musical geniuses (a valid opinion which most sane people over the age of 15 would agree with) I am somehow not discussing the band?
I haven't said anything remotely bad here in this thread. It's been you Korn fan's on the defense. Grow a pair. People are going to disagree with you. Get used to it.
I'm not a Korn fan, as I've said twice. But that doesn't give me the urge to be a jerk and post "Korn? PAH! Korn sucks!!" just because someone wants to discuss Korn. There's absolutely no need for it. Let the people who want to discuss Korn discuss Korn and keep your rude one liners to yourself.
I will repeat, I did not say "Korn sucks" or ANYTHING like that at all. The first poster said they were musical geniuses and I disagreed. I AM discussing the band. Welcome to the internet.
Look, I refuse to believe that you were trying to add to the conversation. Just because you didn't say "Korn sucks", you DID say something just as useless. If you had said "I wouldn't say musical geniuses, but" and then gone from there, then I would have nothing to complain about. But two sentences of a derogatory nature with no explanation or reasoning behind them do not a discussion make. You can defend it up and down to me all you'd like, if you must, but I highly doubt you'll convince me of otherwise no matter how hard you try. Sorry, pal.
I don't see how your one liner was discussing the original topic, Medical Waste. Where is the discussion in there?
"I don't think so, and here's why! ... "
That would lead to a discussion. You give points and then the other person responds to them.
Also, no one is saying anything like "Let's be serious about this! This is a post of utmost importance!" I'm just asking people to at least try and not be a dick. I don't think that's much to ask.
Also, "oh dear" and quoting "oh dear" fits under rule number one of posting golden rules and falls under the forum rule guidline labelled "Think" found in the sticky at the top of this forum.
I wasn't even trying to be rude. I was stating an opinion, and then was called a close-minded dick shortly after. Yeah my post was short, I wasn't aware that my own opinion, which was a direct response from a sentence in the original post must require all my reasoning behind or else I'm open for insults. Not that I care really, that doesn't bother me, but the hypocrisy does.
"I don't consider Korn to be musical geniuses"
"Medical Waste is a dick without an open mind!"
Who was being rude?
Quote from: Medical Waste on Mon 05/03/2007 04:11:42
I wasn't even trying to be rude. I was stating an opinion, and then was called a close-minded dick shortly after. Yeah my post was short, I wasn't aware that my own opinion, which was a direct response from a sentence in the original post must require all my reasoning behind or else I'm open for insults. Not that I care really, that doesn't bother me, but the hypocrisy does.
"I don't consider Korn to be musical geniuses"
"Medical Waste is a dick without an open mind!"
Who was being rude?
And then Chicky explained himself, if you'll recall.
Quote from: ChickyMy comment was more aimed at pslocum than you MW. With his pointless one word reply it reminds me of a lot of the shit that my band and the bands that i promote get from the few mindless people who call them selves musicians but in reality will get no where without an open mind.
Maybe 'dick' was a little ott :=
You weren't trying to be rude but you weren't discussing anything either.
Am I saying that Chicky reacted correctly? No.
Chicky overreacted and you called him on it and he apologized.
You don't see how your post can be seen as rude, fine but you must agree that entering a thread about a subject you don't care for and shooting off a quick one liner just to show that you're in disagreement with no further explanation is not exactly adding to the discussion at all. Right?
It sure doesn't around here, you are right.
I don't listen to Korn, because they aren't my style of music. So, I won't discuss it, as my opinion would be uninformed. However, when I saw this, I was reminded of a humorous anecdote from my youth that was a bit too open-ended, high-brow and inside for it to probably be of any real comedic value here. I'll give it a go anyway.
When I was younger, I was forced into a Christian high school by my family. My best friend Juice came from similar circumstances. At said school, we were taught to be closed minded, pompous pricks (literally... I recall being justified by my teacher when I called a girl a slut for wearing quarter-length sleeves).
We were at youth camp once, and we saw a kid with a Korn T-shirt on. I pointed it out to Jui. He responded thusly, in the presence of our youth counselor...
"That stupid-ass mother fucking moron! What the fuck! They don't even fucking SPELL it right!!!!!"
Fuck reading through two pages of pointless bickering.
Just lock the thread, seems we can't share interests on her without someone ruining it.
LOL, Chicky dude - chill out :) There is still good discussion becoming of it. Can't say I've ever seen Pesty so worked up though! ;) It's become something more than a discussion on Korn and once again it's become a discussion of how people on these boards should treat others. And threads like that always get locked before someone gets to lay some rules down on others.
So as it's not locked yet, I'll butt in with some comments. Firstly, about the annoying one liners. When I first saw this post I thought "Korn", okay - well, I'm not really a fan so I won't even bother reading the thread. Then a day later I thought "Unplugged eh? That could be interesting." So I checked it out. And by that point people had already started to mildly cuss Korn. That is pathetic. That is a prime example of some of the people on this forum thinking the rest of us actually give a shit about their completely different opinion. It's the Nefarious (sp) syndrome kicking in, something said that simply should never have been said at all. There are things in this forum that crop up all the time that I disagree too, simply, I just ignore the post. Why can't the rest? ADHD? ::)
I accept that I'm different to a lot of people here, that I'm more interested in the game making side than the chat-yer-bollocks off side the gen gen forum allows. Eric is right though, about thinking before you post. There is a sense of community we're trying to achieve. And a community is generally a bunch of people who are happy together and share similar views. Not that we have to, but the LEAST we have to do is RESPECT what others think. Dropping in thinking we can be funny with one-liners isn't a great idea. Especially if you've only ever made 30 posts on the forum, Medical Waste.
And as Medical Waste said, "this is the internet, get used to it". Well, you're right - but you're also very wrong. Just because you might be able to contest a friends' view about a band or whatever, would you go up to a bunch of people you don't know and tell them whatever they're talking about is rubbish, or something to that effect? No, you wouldn't. So what gives you the right to do that here? This is a community, not a forum. You can't just blindly tackle peoples views and think they'll be happy with you for it. Therefore there is a certain level of etiquete required from all members.
One thing I don't quite understand is people's constant battle of music and bands. A lot of people take it so seriously it's a real let down. They make out that things like religion shouldn't be allowed to rule peoples lives yet somehow they replace religion with music. Very very sad. You wouldn't rip into someones religion without a very good reason, so why do it with music?
I don't particularly agree with DG's way of going about it either - but that's purely because I expect a bit more from him than just cropping up when he needs to vent some rage about something. But, at least he made a post of it and didn't one liner us all to hell.
So, if you don't have anything constructive to add to this post, just don't bother. If you don't like Korn but gave them a chance, that's great. If however you dislike Korn and you simply want the rest of us to know how much you despise them, feck off!
And please try and consider this with other threads too. I don't think one liners particularly bother people here, only when they are unthoughtful to who the thread is actually aimed at.
err, yeah. What he said ;)
And i'm perfectly chilled out thank you Mods :P
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Quote from: Mods on Mon 05/03/2007 12:29:07
I don't particularly agree with DG's way of going about it either - but that's purely because I expect a bit more from him than just cropping up when he needs to vent some rage about something. But, at least he made a post of it and didn't one liner us all to hell.
C'mon. I find I creative way of saying "Korn is untalented" and that's "rage venting"? I think you're overreacting a little. It has nothing to do with venting rage and everything to do with me not liking Korn.
Then again, believe what you want to.
I was trying to point out that the majority of your posts are rambles about things you dislike ;) At least, the majority of your posts that I've read over the last year are :p And sometimes they do come across as rage venting rants, even if that's what they're not.
Don't you remember that episode of the Sims you were in?
http://www.screen7.co.uk/junc/interupted.mp3
Well, you get an A for effort.
Incidentally, if I was a Sim I'd sound waaay sexier than that.
Also, I think you've misinterpreted my ramblings for rage. There's a big difference. But like I've said before, it's best to think of me as the AGS version of Grandpa Simpson -- a rambling old man who no one should really listen to.
I'll certainly bear that in mind from now on :=
And speaking of which, time for an avatar change!
Quote from: Mods on Mon 05/03/2007 12:29:07
LOL, Chicky dude - chill out :) There is still good discussion becoming of it. Can't say I've ever seen Pesty so worked up though! ;) It's become something more than a discussion on Korn and once again it's become a discussion of how people on these boards should treat others. And threads like that always get locked before someone gets to lay some rules down on others.
So as it's not locked yet, I'll butt in with some comments. Firstly, about the annoying one liners. When I first saw this post I thought "Korn", okay - well, I'm not really a fan so I won't even bother reading the thread. Then a day later I thought "Unplugged eh? That could be interesting." So I checked it out. And by that point people had already started to mildly cuss Korn. That is pathetic. That is a prime example of some of the people on this forum thinking the rest of us actually give a shit about their completely different opinion. It's the Nefarious (sp) syndrome kicking in, something said that simply should never have been said at all. There are things in this forum that crop up all the time that I disagree too, simply, I just ignore the post. Why can't the rest? ADHD? ::)
I accept that I'm different to a lot of people here, that I'm more interested in the game making side than the chat-yer-bollocks off side the gen gen forum allows. Eric is right though, about thinking before you post. There is a sense of community we're trying to achieve. And a community is generally a bunch of people who are happy together and share similar views. Not that we have to, but the LEAST we have to do is RESPECT what others think. Dropping in thinking we can be funny with one-liners isn't a great idea. Especially if you've only ever made 30 posts on the forum, Medical Waste.
And as Medical Waste said, "this is the internet, get used to it". Well, you're right - but you're also very wrong. Just because you might be able to contest a friends' view about a band or whatever, would you go up to a bunch of people you don't know and tell them whatever they're talking about is rubbish, or something to that effect? No, you wouldn't. So what gives you the right to do that here? This is a community, not a forum. You can't just blindly tackle peoples views and think they'll be happy with you for it. Therefore there is a certain level of etiquete required from all members.
One thing I don't quite understand is people's constant battle of music and bands. A lot of people take it so seriously it's a real let down. They make out that things like religion shouldn't be allowed to rule peoples lives yet somehow they replace religion with music. Very very sad. You wouldn't rip into someones religion without a very good reason, so why do it with music?
I don't particularly agree with DG's way of going about it either - but that's purely because I expect a bit more from him than just cropping up when he needs to vent some rage about something. But, at least he made a post of it and didn't one liner us all to hell.
So, if you don't have anything constructive to add to this post, just don't bother. If you don't like Korn but gave them a chance, that's great. If however you dislike Korn and you simply want the rest of us to know how much you despise them, feck off!
And please try and consider this with other threads too. I don't think one liners particularly bother people here, only when they are unthoughtful to who the thread is actually aimed at.
If you think I'm worked up now, wait until this sort of thing happens with a band I actually like!
No, seriously, though, you've hit the nail on the head with why I even bothered posting in the first place. Even though I don't frequent the forums as much as I used to, it makes me sad to see people lose consideration for each other. I don't want this place to drift further and further away from being an actual community and turn into every other jerk forum on the internet. We're better than that!
I like The Cure!
A nob of butter goes great with Korn. And some karrots.
Korn need to tune up.
Eric and Pesty, cut Medical Waste some slack here.
As long as people don't resort to namecalling, apparent flaming or insulting for insulting's sake, they're perfectly free to question a statement such as "band X consists of musical geniouses!" without backing it up with loads of music theory.
People will have to tolerate some disagreement in a public forum like this, it's not kindergarten.
And if the goal here is to prevent polemics, I don't think you're doing a good job, Pesty, looking back at the post-progression here.
I'm not arguing this anymore Andail but I don't think you've understood what I was saying. I feel you're exaggerating my point out to me being afraid of disagreement and that's not what I was saying at all. I also did not ask for "loads of music theory".
My final take on this is that Medical Waste did not cause very much controversy compared to the efforts spent on telling him off.
I'm not saying that he made a good counter argument, or that his post was all that necessaryt, but the overall level of hostility really skyrocketed after certain other peoples' "intervention".
You're mistaken in thinking that Medical Waste was the target here. He's not the only person that did what I'm complaining about and this isn't the only thread that it's happening in. He just happened to be the person who defended his post when I felt like discussing this problem. For that I apologize to him. It's nothing personal, I swear!
As for my post progression, I don't feel the need to defend myself. My whole point is not to prevent polemics, that would be impossible to expect from the internet. It's to prevent unexplained one line polemics. If you're going to be a jerk, at least have some explanation behind it. If I had come in here and called everyone dicks without explaining myself, then yes, I would be a hypocrite. But I said why I felt that way. And I still stand by that.
Well, I don't wanna keep beating this dead horse, but your first post in this thread said something like "Jesus, you're all dicks because you just want to be contrary" which is in itself not much more than a controversial one-liner, one that people will want to disagree with.
If you want to moderate (intervene in order to resolve a situation that you're not personally involved in = moderate), at least employ some tact and set a good example.
QuoteLike I said before, I don't like Korn. This isn't me defending Korn. All I'm saying is that I ALWAYS see people eager to hop into a thread about something somebody likes and getting all over their case about it, and I just don't understand the point.
There's an interesting counterpoint to this that you're missing, Pesty: people just as often hop enmasse into a thread to adore the topic a person brings up; is that unacceptable also? If people should only post when they
agree with a topic of discussion, don't you find things will get a little bland in internet town?
I don't really have an opinion on Korn aside from the fact that I hate pretty much all post-80s rock, but I think it's worth defending the rights of individuals to both
dislike a topic and to
comment on it so long as they aren't being jerkwads. Sure, if I started a post I was passionate about I wouldn't want people tearing it apart, but then you realize the flip side that those people are probably just as passionate, just with a different view than yours.
Judgement: Keep your opinions, but keep them civil.