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Well, I had a search around and it didn't look like there'd been a topic dedicated to this before.
And even if there has been, we can still have fun with this this, right?

...

Right?

Okay den!

Here are my five least favourite films. Most of them are pretty recent due to me being young and inexperienced.

5: Hulk
Hulk smash! Hulk jump! Hulk make some horrible attempt at artsy-fartsy dialouge! Hulk jump some more! Hulk shows off his CGI muscles from THREE DIFFERENT ANGLES! And more jumping...

Well...maybe you just need to be a fan of the comic to really get it, but to me, this film was a dull, reliefless slog through tediousville accompanied by graphics that look almost good enough to be in a video game.
I think this movie could have benifitted from dumbing itself down a bit and aiming a little more in the direction of entertainment. I mean, to be honest, it's a little hard to take a film about a muscle-bound shrek in green boxer shorts seriously. Tongues should be in cheeks at all times.


4: Dinosaur

Eisner: I have an idea for a movie!
Staff: Yay! What's it about?
Eisner: It's a 3D movie...
Staff: Yeah, but...what's it about?
Eisner:...It...it's 3D...


Okay, you've got some pretty looking dinosaurs.
You've got some pretty looking locations all over the world.
You've got the ability to ability to splurge it all together and make it beutiful.

So what was wrong with this?
Well, it was utterly, utterly formulaic. Now, this isn't always a bad thing, but when you use the formulas in this sickeningly pants fashion it all seems like a waste of a perfectly decent animation team...


3: Ghost in the Shell
My God...The Wachowski brothers must adore this movie...

Now, I'm not going to attempt to say this is a bad film because it has a huge fan base and many redeeming features. It's thought-provoking, detailed and visually stunning.
No, this film is on my list simply because it is not my cup of tea...

The main reason this film was so hard for me to watch was the endless sea of increasly confusing dialouge. I mean, it's okay in a manga. People are aloud to talk alot because speech is instantly there in the readers brain and if your brain starts to melt you can just read it again. In a film it actually takes time to say things and it begins to get tedious when there's nothing much physically happening to break it up.

In fact, that's the only reason I found this film hard to watch. The yhing is, when you're using animation there's practically no limits to what you can show on screen, and these guys know that and there are some utterly beutiful sequences in the movie. But the majority of the film is spent talking. It hurts me to see the obvious talent and work that went into creating these scenes is wasted on basically illustrating a radio play.

After watching this film I felt tired, confused and rather like I'd wasted 70 minutes of my life. Sorry, obsessive Animé fans.


2: Deep Blue Sea
I'm the token black guy AND the token religious guy all rolled into one. I can cook too!
Now, THIS film I have no quarms about stating what an a large, steaming pair of old granny bloomers it is!

Seriously, what IS this movie? It's not scary, it's not thought-provoking, it's not even any fun. Why does everyone I meet seem to think this is the ultimate thriller.

Please tell me I'm not alone of this one, Deep Blue Sea is remarkable only because of the fact it is so blatently unremarkable. It adds nothing new or exiting to the world of film and everything in it has been done before and done several squillion times better.


1: The Matrix: Reloaded
Agent Smith was the only thing that made the first film worth watching. He is the one and only, and that's why he's so great. But...wait a minute, now there's THOUSANDS of Smiths, all talking some tripe about purpose...I am not amused!
Okay, I wont spend too much time on this one since there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said before.

I despise this movie and I know I'm not the only person who feels this way about it.

[me = Eggie] is attacked by a Warner Brothers marketing exectutive who rams his hand into my chest and transforms me into an obsessive Matrix fan.[/me]

Oh em Gee! The camera goes ALL THE WAY around them! Ergo; The Matrix rules! I'm going off to buy a Matrix comic. It can go with my Matrix dental floss, Matrix underwear and limited edition Matrix vibrator!!




Well, that was fun. Post your own typo-laden rants about your least favourite movies. It good for getting the aggression out.
Oh, and if you disagree with my opinion, feel free to say. We're all among friends here *prepares E-mail bomb*

Ernest goes to ...

Seven Years in Tibet. The only film I've every walked out of the cinema from...

Donnie Darko.  FLAME AWAY!   :) :) :) :)

Well, of course there is Gigli....is that how its spelt? The movie so horrible that EVERYONE walked out of the theater? :D I didn't see it of course so maybe that doesn't count. What movies I DO hate are

1. Passion of the Christ....
2. SIGNS
3. Leathal Weapon Series
4. The Patriot
5. We were soldiers
6. Ransom
7. Conspiracy Theory
8. Braveheart
9. Maverick
10. Any movie that stared/featured or even MENTIONED Mel Gibson.

God, I hate that man with a passion. :P

Quote from: remixor on Sun 02/05/2004 22:36:00
Donnie Darko.  FLAME AWAY!   :) :) :) :)

I can do better than that:

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

Quote from: Ghormak on Sun 02/05/2004 22:53:49
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

Aw, seriously?  :'(

Um, does anyone have a few hours to waste while I go through mine? :P

I like every movie I have ever seen.

Amelie Poulain: This movie is insipid.

Moreover,  during my stay in England, I was regardered as a heretic:

- You're French?
- Yes.
- Do you know "Amelie"?
- This movie sucks.
- Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

YES! IT'S BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love almost every movie. However, there are a few I can list...

1) Wicked Stepmother
   -This was playing on TV, and the day before I saw a commercial for it. It showed stuff flying around all cheesy like, and a cat smoking. I thought, hey, might be terrible, and I love terrible movies! So I watched it. Bad mistake.

2) Species
   -I got this one free with a DVD magazine. See, the magazine came with Species in the US, and Jesus Christ: Vampire Killer in Canada. Being Canadian, I sat down with my friend to watch JC kill vampires in a schlocky horror film. Unfortunatley the disc inside was Species. Only movie I've fallen asleep watching and NOT felt guilty about it.

3) Battlefield Earth
   -Just watch that one scene where the guy says "Two (Insert alien name) coming fast!". It then cuts to the aliens, who are walking down a hallway, as slow as possible. 'Nuff said. Only movie I actually begged my brother to stop playing.

Seriously. I loved Lost Ark and Last Crusade, but Temple of Doom was nothing like the other two. In LA and LC Indy had a goal. "Indy, go find this artifact." ToD on the other hand was Indy accidentally ending up in some mansion, accidentally stumbling in to some underground place, accidentally finding a strange cult. There Indy becomes possessed, and we think he's a goner, but WOOSH MAGIC he's fine again, and they get out of there.

Also, Short Round.

I agree with everything Ghormak said, besides Short Round. He rules.

I'm not going to get involved with defending Temple of Doom because it's a futile effort (though that movie kicks the ass), but I have to at least say that Short Round is completely awesome.

Quote from: remixor on Sun 02/05/2004 22:36:00
Donnie Darko.  FLAME AWAY!   :) :) :) :)

You, sir, have taste.

Quote from: remixor on Sun 02/05/2004 23:20:32
I'm not going to get involved with defending Temple of Doom because it's a futile effort (though that movie kicks the ass), but I have to at least say that Short Round is completely awesome.

That's perfectly fine, this is a thread about insulting the movies we hate, not defending the movies other people hate. :)

Master of Disguise and House of the Dead are the only two real movies I've HATED... There are some others I won't watch ever again, but I see so many movies I can't remember them.

P.S. I love both Donnie Darko and Temple of Doom... Meh.. And Matrix Reloaded. (I used to hate it.. But upon 3rd viewing, and 2nd viewing of Revolutions, I like them boath loads more.)

I agree with Ghormak. And Esseb. As usual.

I really loved Amelie Poulain, so I have to disagree with Nope here.

That makes two agreements and one disagreements so far.

Donnie Darko perhaps, because stupid people think the song 'Mad World' originally comes from it.

Rocky V
Pirates of the Caribbean - Johnny Depp was the only thing worth watching it for... oh, and maybe Keira Knightley. I would've fallen asleep otherwise.

just a few of the many movies i don't like...
1. Titanic
2. Independence Day
3. Apollo 13
4. anything with julia roberts
5. anything with hugh grant
6. stupid teeny horror movies
7. many many others

Can you please explain why you don't like Titanic, Independence Day, and Apollo 13?  I don't see how you would think of them as bad movies.

Quote from: nope! on Sun 02/05/2004 23:09:12
Amelie Poulain: This movie is insipid. 

Amelie Poulain?  C'est merde! 

Heh.

City of Lost Children, now there's Jeunet at his best, I think.

And how can you not like Indy and The Temple of Doom?  Cause it sucks compared to the other two Indy movies?  It's my least favorite, but I don't NOT like it.

Donnie Darko.... it's cool.  It was a low budget movie that got made, and press play, cause Drew Barrymore produced and starred in it.  It's a little sci-fi movie and not much more.

Any chick flick, movie with Hilary Duff/Julia Roberts in it, or movie aimed towards immature teenagers is on my hate list.

Oh, and I didn't like that "Dune" movie.

"Bluuuuue spiiiice....."

Yeah, Lynch's Dune was total ass.

The recent james bond movie. They should have paid me to watch that movie. It was so unbelievable that even when you were watching it, you kept repeating the word 'Bullshit' in your head, over and over. Like this; "Bullshit. bullshit. This movie is bullshit'.

Chick flicks.

'About a boy' was the most hideously depressing movie ever...

The Cube, and the Blair Bitch Project.

The Cube was hilariously bad. Apparently it was made on a budget of about 10 pence though, so it's pretty remarkably well done. Even if it is shit :P

Tomb Raider. All boobs, and very little movie. if I had a car, I would have left the movie. I didnt have another way of getting home, so I had to sit thru the whole thing.

The recent bond movie wasnt very good. but it did have halle berry....

I also hated temple of doom.

aaaand, (braces of flames)

Teh lord of teh rings!!

*ducks*

LotR?

Was that the movie that was one huge amazing CG battle after the other?!

I totally walked out of that movie! And part II and III!

you people are crazy..
CRAZY I TELL YOU!

How can you hate LOTR? Unless you're a totally consumer whore idiot, there's gotta be something in LOTR you love..

As for cube, I always thought it was one of the better indie films out there. But Cube 2 was total confusing Bullshit.

and yes, Tomb Raider and Dune are absolute ass.

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Mon 03/05/2004 03:31:18
Unless you're a totally consumer whore idiot, there's gotta be something in LOTR you love..

Please explain what you mean by this.

Cat in the Hat..

Mike Myers+Stray Cat with bad ass hat+New Yorker Accent+Little fat kid=Refund

Which I never recieved..but I did take a crap in the urinals. :P

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Mon 03/05/2004 03:31:18
Unless you're a totally consumer whore idiot, there's gotta be something in LOTR you love..

I would have thought it was the total consumer whore idiots who loved LOTR....

The Fast and the Furious

If that's that pathetic car movie, It basically followed the exact story in almost everyway of Point Break, substituting surfboards for cars, bank jobs for some other bizarre robbery (which I don't even remember what it was for)

But I love Point Break.

Debbie Does Dallas.

I seriously thought she was going to go around and screw every single guy in Dallas... >:(  The name doesn't even fit.  She only screwed Mr. Greenfield at the end of the movie... >:(

Well. I love Donnie Darko, I love Amelie even more.
Temple of Doom isn't as good as the other parts of the series. But it is very nice to look at and the moments of humour are..um..humorous...

I really don't have much of a strong opinion on Lord of the Rings...

Ooh! I've just thought of another:
Star wars: Episode 1

I recently saw one called 'Assassin of Youth', which is a movie made in the 30s about the dangers of marijuana. See it, just because it's a fucked-up movie, even by 30s standards.

And it has a fucked up title! Because when I read that, I see, "Ass Ass of Youth"

You already did that joke 2 mins ago:

http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?topic=13484.0

Quote from: Cale on Mon 03/05/2004 02:04:18
LotR?

Was that the movie that was one huge amazing CG battle after the other?!

I totally walked out of that movie! And part II and III!

That reminds me, the fellowship of the ring was one of the most magical movies i've ever seen, but TTT and ROTK where a bit zzzzz.

I like almost all movies.

But if I really hate something...

... Movies with Brittney Spears or some other whore wannabe moviestar who can't act for shit

Matrix II and III.

But that was a different ass-ass.

You got me there.

I hate lots of movies. Honestly, it would just be stupid of me to try and think of the worst.

I AM glad however that various people mentioned the Matrix and Donnie Darko. I haven't seen either (and I plan on never seeing any Matrix movies as long as I live) but I just got so sick of everyone I know loving them to death. Not that the people I like have bas taste, but constantly hearing about these movies being insinuated as being the best movies ever just got on my nerves and I'm rebelling. So, it just makes me happy to hear people that really hate them.

Though, Indiana Jones and Cube ... great movies! Great, I tell you!!

it isn't really fair to hate a movie without watching it. Watch it halfway and then say it sucks. You will be much more believable then. Of course, you don't have to GIVE at sh!te whether people beleive you.
As for my own contributions, I would like to add "Princess Diaries". I have not seen a movie with a stupider moral. Oh, and Haddas, I believe you are referring to "Crossroads".

Problem CHild. No idea why I even saw it, but it was terrible. And I can't beleive they masd eseuqeles, which wer eprobably worse but I haven't seen them so couldn't tell you.

Pokemon movie was pretty bad, too.

Babyloyj. Yes, that's one of them

Stop or my Mom will shoot.

and

Matrix.

Probably a few more as well, but I can't be bothered thinking.

Quote from: Cale on Mon 03/05/2004 02:04:18
LotR?

Was that the movie that was one huge amazing CG battle after the other?!

I totally walked out of that movie! And part II and III!

My Sarcasm Detector 9000 detects... sarcasm!




I hate it when my friends drag me to stupid comedies. The bottom two are Mr. Deeds (my only 1 vote on IMDB) and Johny English, on which I won't waste any more text. The 3rd spot was grabbed by the totally horrible Queen of the Damned. Why, why, why do that to a great prequel?
In the movies I-unlike-most-people-didn't-like category there is Twelve Monkeys (didn't get it), The Terminator (horribly dated), A Beautiful Mind (too silly to be touching) and Fight Club (can't forgive nonsense beginning).

I must say that although I disliked A Beautiful Mind, I did enjoy watching it for a second time to see all of the parts that were just made up in his head. Like how all these people that seemed so real to us were just made up in his head, and it's clever the way the scenes are made up... er...

Anyway, worst bond movie ever - The Man with the Golden Gun.

"I think we've stopped..."

I am an insane ravening foamy-mouthed Tolkien fan, so I have reasons both to like and dislike the LotR films. I won't bore you all to death with details. :)
Also, I rather liked Donnie Darko.

Some movies I've seen or seen partially that I really don't like:

The Digimon movie. My brother gave me this on DVD for Christmas to annoy me. It's amusing to watch this and enjoy the stupid, though.
Titanic.
Jurassic Park 2 or 3. I don't really remember, I only saw the last 20 minutes or so.
Also, various German movies most of you probably haven't heard of. (e.g. Die Supernasen)

I am not a very picky movie-watcher. I enjoy drama, action & comedy. I can watch the mindless along with the thought-provoking. That said, I loved some movies that were mentioned and hated some that were praised so I'll just stick to ones that haven't been mentioned:

Final Encounter - Dean Cain (need I say more?) and other random actors in extremely low-budget, low on plot, low on general good movie-ness sci-fi. Almost in the worth-watching-in-order-to-laugh-at category.

Wild Things - I avoided this movie as though it had SARS. Friends eventually got me to see it, extolling its virtues of plot and random twists that'll "Blow your effing mind!"  The afforementioned friends were male. 'nuf said.

Dumb and Dumberer - I normally dislike this type of movie but found the first one funny. I hate to admit it but it needs to be said in order to justify my having seen the sequel. There wasn't anything in the sequel nearly as amusing and I disliked everything about it. I don't know if I was able to glean as much as 2 minutes of watchable material.

Harvard Man - In the realm of Cruel Intentions (but not as screwed up) I despise shallow characters with misogynistic tendencies and utterly selfish motivations. In this movie's case the character shortcoming isn't even made up for by decent acting or plot.

The Cube - Aside from banal acting and a plot that exemplifies hyperbole, it was obviously made by people clueless about current tech trying to predict future technology. I also haven't seen anything in which I can stand Jennifer Lopez. I said I wouldn't mention a movie that had been already but I hated this one so much (I got the DVD for free and threw it away) I had to ramble about it.

There are a few more that come immediately to mind but the post's too long as it is.

Both JP 2 and 3 are crap, so it's good to hate both of them equally.

Jennifer Lopez wasn't in Cube, she was in The Cell...

yakspit.. if you're thinking of The Cell, I agree, but The Cube does not fit anything you say..

Also, your signature is wrong, it's: "Everytime you masturbate, God kills a kitten."

Right now i can't really think of my least favorite movies, but i know Pretty Woman is right there at the top.

uuuggghh, Julia Roberts does not make a believable hooker.

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Tue 04/05/2004 00:40:52
Also, your signature is wrong, it's: "Everytime you masturbate, God kills a kitten."

His sig still makes sense, though. Just add it to the end...

Everytime you masturbate, God kills a kitten
Everytime a kitten dies, an angel gets its wings.

Using the chain argument, where:

'a' implies 'b'
'b' imples 'c'
therefore 'a' implies 'c'

It simply means that every time you masturbate, an angel gets it's wings... what better reason is there to start? (that IS a joke)

Most hated movies:

The Ring - absolute crap. How the hell is making a copy of a video supposed to save you from a curse? It made no sense...

Welcome to The Jungle - it was a combination between CSI-type-graphics (which is good, but not when you make such an obvious rip-off), Indiana Jones(which I hate JUST as much...) and some other movie which I can't think what it's called, but was most definitely crap...

Britney Spears/ Jennifer Lopez movies... (enough said)

Freaky Friday - argh!

You hate every Indiana Jones movie?? Wow.. That's harsh..

As for The Ring.. Making a copy of the tape saves you because you are spreading the girl (I forget her name) around so more people know about her.. Basically, she wants the whole world to know what happened to her.. I guess it may not make much sense to some people, but I think it made perfect sense (After a second and third viewing.)

1. Anything with Jennifer Lopez in.
2. American Psycho
3. Virtual Sexuality
4. Star Trek: Nemisis

Nothing particularly original here, sorry.

On that note, how the hell is a video meant to give you a curse.

On that note, how the hell do you get cursed.

In other words, how the hell does someone watch a film without willfully suspending disbelief.

I don't know if anybody else is counting Anime...but

X : Beautiful graphics but horrible confusing story with stupid ending. I can understand killing off maybe one or two characters ...but everybody? Geeze.

Ok , back to non-Anime movies -

This is also why I hate The Cube : Everybody that was trapped inside died.  Horrible.

I love The Cell though ,  it has an interesting story and the "inside mind worlds" are amazing. She's so beautiful and a great actress , I'm surprised people would hate anything with her in it.
I can't remember what other movies she's been in though...I think Tomb Raider? I don't know about the latest TR movies since I haven't seen them yet but TR1 was pretty good , except for the part where the statues came to life...they could've worked harder on the special effects to make that sequence believable.  But the robot battle at the start was great.

I just watched The Cat In The Hat the other day and am very disappointed. Really stupid movie. I think Mike Myers is funny in other stuff but he was mostly just annoying in this movie.
The rest of the cast was great! Also I felt as though alot of the jokes were way too adult for something that should've been a kids movie in the first place  or not really very funny at all.
I loved How The Grinch Stole Christmas , though.

QuoteThat reminds me, the fellowship of the ring was one of the most magical movies i've ever seen, but TTT and ROTK where a bit zzzzz.

*leaps at you and strangles you by the throat*

QuoteI am an insane ravening foamy-mouthed Tolkien fan, so I have reasons both to like and dislike the LotR films. I won't bore you all to death with details.

Whohoo! WeÃ,  shall inherit the earth. ;P

So below I've decided to somewhat defend a little the movies which I think need defending.

Anyway, 1. I liked the Cube. I only say it once and that wasÃ,  when it was on TV. I think it showed deep insight to the sick way our society works and really thought it was cool. And yeah, most of them died and the writers did that to show a point. Anyway, that was years ago. Maybe if I saw it again I would change my mind, but I remember liking it. Reminds me of The Outer Limits shows that I always love to watch.

2. The Cell was alright too, working on disecting our inner minds and the sick ways they work. BTW, while I'm on the subject, what did ya'll think of Being John Malkovich and Mangolia? Seriously twisted movies which focus on the subjects stated above.

3. The Ring. An AWSOME movie, I LOVED IT! The girl in the movie made the tape. I think it had to do with her creating it out from some metaphysical state which she was gifted with due to her tormented mind. Very strange, but I just loved the whole thing.....except the very veryÃ,  end. If you havn't seen it and don't want to have it spoiled don't read the next line.

When she crawled out of the TV and killed that guy and then the woman making the tape with her son......that was *$#@ing retarded. It should have ended before that, ... "So......how long do you think someone could survive down there?"Ã,  ".........seven days..."

On one final final note, anyone who hasn't seen all the LotR movies should be handcuffed to a movie theater seat and be made to watch. And anyone who doesn't like them should be shot! :P Anyway, have a nice day and thank you for flying with us today!Ã,  ;D

Ninja Scroll.  90 minutes of demons randomly attacking this guy (who's not even a ninja) for no apparent reason, and then just when it looks like the story is finally going to start, the movie's over.  Also, a needless number of disturbing rape scenes.  Contrast this with Yotoden (aka Wrath of the Ninja): same exact plot, except Yotoden actually makes sense, and there's actually a reason the demons show up when and where they do.  Also, no rape scenes.

Akira. Only one thing to say about this one: WTF?

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.  It had nothing to do with the games whatsoever, and wasn't even halfway-decent as generic sci-fi.  (On a related note, Final Fantasy: Legend of the Crystals was terrible as well.  In fact, the only videogame-to-movie conversion that actually resulted in a decent movie was Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer.)

Austin Powers.  Ugh.  This one was so bad I didn't even give the sequels a chance.  The few parts that were actually funny were just minor bits that were over in a couple seconds, while they spent 10 or 20 tedious minutes at time on stupid, vulgar toilet humor.  And there wasn't even a discernable plot to tie the stupidity together.

Everything animated ever made by Disney and/or Pixar, and quite a few of their live-action films as well.  Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Star Trek: The Motion Picture.  Maybe everyone's blocked it out to protect their sanity.  It was so bad even trekkies hate it.  (For that matter, all of the odd-numbered Trek movies seem to be lousy.)

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Tue 04/05/2004 01:46:59
As for The Ring.. Making a copy of the tape saves you because you are spreading the girl (I forget her name) around so more people know about her.. Basically, she wants the whole world to know what happened to her.. I guess it may not make much sense to some people, but I think it made perfect sense (After a second and third viewing.)

It made perfect sense to me the first time. My point was - who the hell is going to make a movie on such a STUPID premise? It doesn't even make anything CLOSE to common-sense.... good movies need a logical explanation. The Ring didn't have one. In fact, the ring had NOTHING. I don't understand why it was given such a good rating.

Copying a video = HOORAY! YOU LIVE! CONGRATULATION! wow - what a crowd please... ::)

Normally I prefer to be positive rather than negative. But I'll make an exception:

Any film by James 'Worst Human Alive' Cameron.

To be fair, I haven't seen all of his films, but come on - he's the worst human alive. At least the worst film director, and what's more important than films?

I'd say milk is by FAR more nutritional than a film...

But the question was what's more IMPORTANT, not more nutritional. :P

Anyway, I'd say TV was more important, since so much more of it is produced. I don't mean this is a good thing - 99.99% of it is shit - but good TV is likely to reach more people than a good film, so you'd think it's be more important to but time & effort into quality TV.

I don't know about ANY film by Cameron, but I'll grant you all those in recent memory. Also, I'll grant that he is indeed 'King of the Assholes'.

And I'd like to add to my earlier list 'FearDotCom'. Looked vaguely interesting, was actually a very bad Ring ripoff.

Quote from: Ryukage on Tue 04/05/2004 08:54:08
Everything animated ever made by Disney and/or Pixar, and quite a few of their live-action films as well.Ã,  Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Aww.. What's the matter.. Does itty bitty Ryukage not want to admit that some cartoons can be watched and enjoyed by males? Awwwwww.. How sweet.. He's trying to be all grown up and manly. How can you say every animated Disney movie is dumb? Have you watched them all? Do you have any idea how much work went into each film (Except for the latest, crappy-ass ones) Pinocchio, Robin Hood, Black Cauldron, Aladdin.. All of em' well done animated films.

And how dare you say Pixar's films are dumb.. Again.. Have you WATCHED any of them? IMO.. The only dumb Pixar movie was Bugs Life.. But Finding Nemo.. and Monsters Inc.. Wow.. If you can't like those films you must be one very depressing individual..

But then again, it's just what I like, not you.. but if you haven't watched any of those films.. Then you're opinion isn't very credible.

BTW.. What does your signature mean? Were you born in 1996? Cause your profile says you're 23...

I agree, for the most part, old Disney = good, new Disney = bad.

But the Pixar stuff ... I haven't seen any of them, and don't intend to. They just don't appeal to me in the slightest, but I wouldn't have a problem with them if it weren't for (and LGM I don't mean to be rude here) people saying 'Oh, if you don't like these films there must be something wrong with you'. It's not that I have a problem with adults liking kids films, it's just that most of them don't look any good to me.

Sorry if this reads like a rant, but I have a friend who keeps trying to drag me to every single damn kiddy film that comes out, so it's a topic that pushes buttons, is all.

EDIT: I just realised this is about the third thread I've posted in 'arguing' with LGM. Sorry about that, it's nothing personal.

hehe.. It's alright.. Debating is healthy ;)

I'm just saying.. the Pixar movies are great because the humour in them is hard to come by in even Live action films.. I suggest watching Finding Nemo, even if it doesn't "appeal" to you... My Dad didn't want to see it, but then he did and he liked it.. So yea..

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Tue 04/05/2004 14:50:12
Aww.. What's the matter.. Does itty bitty Ryukage not want to admit that some cartoons can be watched and enjoyed by males? Awwwwww.. How sweet.. He's trying to be all grown up and manly.

Considering his avatar and post implies he likes anime I don't think that is the case LGM. Also, what does the amount of work spent on a movie matter? Final Fantasy sucked no matter how hard they worked on it.

But I think with Final Fantasy, most of the time was spent on modeling the graphics, which were pretty darn good, while the script seemed to have been hashed out in a weekend. Anyway, I don't think LGM was talking about the time put into them, as much as the care and desire to make a good film, rather than shed loads of money as seems to be the case now.

Yeah, They certainly spent a long time making the script for Black Cauldron as good as they could, and it certainly wasn't made simply to cash in money from the teenage theatre going crowd who were growing too old to watch the regular Disney movies.

Anyway, I got what LGM meant. I used Final Fantasy as an example since LGM didn't comment about it and I thus figured he didn't like it either. I'm sure they tried their best to make it a good movie though.

Did ANYONE like FF:TSW ???

Anime is the devil. Seriously. I can't stand it. And its not just the feminin way everything is drawn either (guys looks more like girls than the girls do. :P) Its how everything has to be INTENSE ALL THE TIME! Its like a bad soapopera comic strip (anyone know what I mean, we have a few in the papper over here) where EVERYTHING has to have a ! at the end! because ! everything is always ! exciting and at the climax! all the time! *sweatdrops* HUH?!? >.>                 Yeah, so I really really really hate anime. :D But I know that alot of ya'll love it. I'm not really excited by Disney films either, I guess I was when I was younge. I think I liked Little Meremaid, Aladdin and....umm...*scratches head* well I'me sure that I saw others too. However, I do like Pixar films. Expecially their short snipits. Lmfao, if you don't know what I mean, they show these little films before the main presentation. A guy playing chess with himself and a bunch of disgruntled birds all sitting on a telephone pole. They are halarious, but, I digress. This post has gone on long enough.

Quote from: Rave on Tue 04/05/2004 17:12:41
Anime is the devil. Seriously. I can't stand it. And its not just the feminin way everything is drawn either (guys looks more like girls than the girls do. :P) Its how everything has to be INTENSE ALL THE TIME! Its like a bad soapopera comic strip (anyone know what I mean, we have a few in the papper over here) where EVERYTHING has to have a ! at the end! because ! everything is always ! exciting and at the climax! all the time! *sweatdrops* HUH?!? >.>Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Yeah, so I really really really hate anime. :D

Nice generalization - "I saw 2 anime with guys that looked like girls and big !'s, therefore ALL ANIME IN THE ENTIRE WORLD is like that". I could say "Rock V sucked, therefore all movies suck." But fair enough... some anime does suck.

Does this guy look feminine? http://www.projectbag.com/ghost/pics/aramaki06.jpg
Or this guy? http://www.projectbag.com/ghost/pics/batou02.jpg

No, and do you know why? Because they are gray-haired old foogies. (spelling?) Most guys, expecially kids or main characters have narrow chins, thin lips and huge gigantic eyes. And yeah, it is sort of steriotypical, but then again, most anime is so .....well....TYPICAL.. Im sure there are lots of exceptions out there, but thats not the norm.

Rave:
I think it depends on what you mean by 'the norm'. I've got a friend who's quite into anime, and as far as I can tell there are two quite different styles - one that you're talking about, which is very 'cartoon-y' and exagerated, and one which is more realistic, like TheDude said. That's a little over simplified, though, and I think most stuff falls in the middle - so if you want to see it as crappy, toony anime, you'll mostly pick up on those elements, while if you just want to enjoy the story, you won't. The other possiblity is you're getting 'proper' anime confused with the pokemon-style crap that seems to be all over the place. This stuff IS the devil, yes.

I tend to agree with some of his other points... Anime is usually too damn melodramatic and intense, which annoys me. Comedic anime tends to be far too off the wall and incoherent (it just doesn't translate over into English very well, IMO.) Most anime I've been shown didn't hold my interest, and I think it's overrated, as a genre.
(I do really like Hayao Miyazaki's movies, though.)

Quote from: Trapezoid on Tue 04/05/2004 19:30:29
I tend to agree with some of his other points... Anime is usually too damn melodramatic and intense, which annoys me. Comedic anime tends to be far too off the wall and incoherent (it just doesn't translate over into English very well, IMO.) Most anime I've been shown didn't hold my interest, and I think it's overrated, as a genre.
(I do really like Hayao Miyazaki's movies, though.)

I agree pretty much completely.  There is some anime I enjoy but as a medium I find its conventions incredibly irritating.

Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory. Lemme put it this way: Roald Dahl hated it so much he refused the offer for a sequel. For real.

Let's hope Burton adapts it the right way this time.. Him and Dahl are both wacky fellows.

Tv shows that get made into movies are nearly always bad - ie: Pokemon, THE MOVIE; The Wild Thornberry's, THE MOVIE; Rugrats, THE MOVIE....

They just take the (normally good) qualities of the show and screw them up completely. Not that I'm saying pokemon has any good qualities... they just screwed the bad ones up even more...

I think I agree with the Deep Blue Sea comment.  I would really like to see a MS3K of that, or perhaps get together with some folks and mock it.  I like the effort they put into taking a lady's clothes off, for no dicernable reason.

L.L Cool J. also audotmatically ups the ante on quality when he gets into a movie.

I have to disagree with generalizing anime, however, not because it is good, or because it is bad, but because there is no "anime" -- anime is a term we use to describe a whole gamut of animation styles, most of which are Japanese.  But how anyone can watch anime on TV an conclude that it's unrealistic, stupid, overblown and does not make sense WITHOUT conceding that ALL children's programming is more or less in this boat is beyond me.

I mean, Anime is aimed (normally) at slightly older viewers than other cartoons and child/youth programming, but that doesn't mean it should be treated as some completely external category.

For example, why not compare Pokemon to Looney Tunes?  Both are cartoons aimed at young people, both involve simple sight gags, but the animation in Pokemon (while abysmal) is at least as interesting and skillful as looney tunes, and the cartoons (while considered "classic" by way too many people) are much better written in the Japanese context.

Consider two randomly googled examples. 

(http://www.willem.coolfreepage.com/%20Looney-Tunes-9.htm/)
vs
(http://www.miowebitalia.com/desktop/cartoni/pokemon.jpg/%3Cbr%20/%3E)

Now the Pokemon one is faded, granted, but I think you can see how neither is clearly better than the other.  And yet, the Pokemon shot is presumably from some kind of plot, while the other is almost certainly one of the same 6 recycled gags in the Warner Bros. handbook.

Neither are quality examples of the sort of stuff put out at the higher end of animation, like some Disney movies and many Japanese anime films, but unlike Disney, "Anime" often deals with substansive philosophical/political issues.  But not always.  You simply can't categorize anime based on the cheap shlock we get on TV here, anymore than you can characterize the American animation scene based on Saturday morning cartoons.  Both countries have robust animation centres that are far more advanced and more interesting than the daily 'toons, and both have an active underground market.

It's like saying you hate video games based on your experience of FPS.  It's simply illogical.

X vs X.. That would be a good title for a movie.

I am not a fan of anime as well. In fact, the only part of Kill Bill I disliked (both volumes) is the anime segment. I mean, how much of the same can you show? I've heard people say that QT's dialog drags, but this 'action' scene drags much more.

Oops.  Guess that shows what I know about the IMG function.

In related news, I really love movies that offer a challenge, like Mullholland Dr., or to a lesser extent Adaptation (I especially like the credits of Adapt. nice touch!), and "stupid" movies such as Airplane/Naked Gun, but cannot stand most of the "classic" movies of the 80's.  I found them boring then, and they're boring now.

Goonies -- A classic.  Boring as hell, compared to say the youthful adventures of The Neverending Story or the riveting, hold-on-to-your seats excitement of "The Care Bears Movie."

Ferris Beuller's Day Off -- Another Boring movie.  At the same time as "The Blues Brothers" mixed ludicrous action with anti-establishment comedy, Ferris Beuller was doing exciting things like... going to a museum. Or... becoming part of a parade.  Let me tell you something.  I know people that have walked in parades, andI say me to school any day over walking in a damn procession.  Watching a parade is about ten times as much fun as standing on a float in one.

Perhaps this kinda stuff was immensely exciting for middle-class kids with no greater fantasy than driving a ferrari, but if you can imagine something more interesting than that, you're pretty much wasting your time.  What's great about the reaction to this movie is the number of people saying that this was "the" starting place for the teen movie.  Great flicks like... um... The Breakfast Club and Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Man.  What a legacy.  ::) Even writing those other names makes me depressed.

Independence Day -- A 90's clunker.  Try watching it with the sound down some time.  It appears to be just a random amalgam of explosion shots with pretty much nothing in-between.  There is nothing more boring than watching a plotless vacuum populated by exploding planes and an alien race without any logical motivation.  At least "This Island Earth" had some kind of purpose--even if it didn't make any sense, they tried, and that counts for something.

I think it's time to stress Sturgeon's law here.

90% of everything is crap.
Thus 90% of Anime would not apeal to manypeople, but likewise, the vast majority of western animation, and live action films regardless of origin are also dreadful.
To like or dislike an entire genre is foolish, since all have strengths and weaknesses [usually the result of conventions]. Take all movies [and all works of art] on their own merits.

In fact, the only thing stupider than cementing yourself to a genre, whether it be Anime, or Country Music, or the one's branding themselves Alternative whom are often worse, or even Adventure Games, is cementing yourself away from a genre. It's just unproductive and silly. The fanboys are just as small minded, but at least it's not being done with a negative mindset.

Which is why I, because I have always disliked Fantasy, have been trying to read some, so my prejudices are not unfounded.

Las Naranjas:
Thank you, I've kinda wanted to say that myself, but have been too 'British' and polite. I totally argree, except personally I'd make it 95%. Maybe higher. Except for Jennifer Lopez, who I reserve the right to hate on principle. The principle being 'She's shit.'

Yup.

Starship Troopers. God, that movie sucks. SUUUUCKS, I tell you! The worst thing is that most of my idiotic friends love it and some consider it to be one of the best movies of all time. Suuuuucks, oh god, how I hate it. Poo to it.

As for even calling 'anime' a genre, that's ridiculous. I won't go on, others have made good points, but it isn't a genre, it's a medium more than anything. Anime is just a general term for animation that comes from Japan. In Japan, it's the word for animation, but it -has- evolved in our language to mean Japanese animation. Anime has zillions of genres within it. Sure, you can hate cartoons and even the Japanese style of them (though within 'anime' there are zillions of different styles) but I just hate people generalizing with what kinds of shows they are. In the western world, you're generally exposed to a tiny percentage of and often stupid and poor quality anime shows/movies and trust me, these are not indicitive of even a majority of what you'll find in Japan.

OK, I won't go on, but just... genre... blech. I hate that word.

Zillion IS a number, damnit! I'm making it one! Stay off my lawn!

In regards to the anime posts:  I understand completely that you cannot discount all anime as being one way or another, being too childish, and so forth.  That's not my point.  I simply don't like many of the general stylistic conventions of the medium.  Again, there are some series I enjoy, but like any other medium anime tends to have characteristics that are common to many instances of the medium.  Let me give an example:  Laugh tracks are one convention of sitcoms.  I hate laugh tracks.  Laugh tracks, among other things, contribute to my overall distaste for sitcoms.  Now, I have seen sitcoms I enjoy, but in general as a "medium" so to speak, they get on my nerves.  Anime is the same way for me.

Cutthroads island.

In the last year or so,
- Mystic River
- Blood Work
- City by the Sea
Yawn!

Then again, there are sitcoms without laugh tracks.

As for movies I hate, this one comes pretty close: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327169/

Interestingly it is the most expensive South-Korean movie production ever and made its primary backer bankrupt. One would think a movie starring a lesbian Lara Croft played by a man in drag would be awesome, but you would be surprised.

Quote from: Kinoko on Wed 05/05/2004 04:28:35
Starship Troopers. God, that movie sucks. SUUUUCKS, I tell you! The worst thing is that most of my idiotic friends love it and some consider it to be one of the best movies of all time. Suuuuucks, oh god, how I hate it. Poo to it.

I always find it funny how people react to that particular movie.

Personally, I love how Verhoeven managed to wrap a very subversive anti-totalitarian message in a seemingly pro-military and pro-totalitarian action film. And I always get very disheartened when I hear someone say they liked the movie, I agree with them, get into a conversation about it and then it turns out they got nothing of the subtext and only liked it for the gore and action. :-\

It definitely seems to be a love or hate movie. I only know people who feel strongly either way. Of course, all the really smart people hate it ^_^

I liked Starship Troopers, I didn't love it, but it seemed like a perfectly decent piece of entertainment with a few smart ideas to give it some weight.

Maybe it's just one o' those films where you just have to read the book before you can form a valid opinion. But I liked it.

Quote from: Esseb on Wed 05/05/2004 11:49:50
Then again, there are sitcoms without laugh tracks.

Exactly, and the few I like fall into that category.

Star Wars Episode 1

Shite.

There are some quality sitcoms with laugh tracks though.

MASH
Family Ties
Happy Days
I Love Lucy
Frasier

Granted, the laugh track isn't what makes the above shows funny, and I'm sure they can do without the laugh track, but it seems a little discriminating in taste if one disregards a show based on a laugh track.

Incidently, Seanbaby's latest article in about the history of the Laugh Track: http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24803

Yeah, and I really like MASH for example.  The laugh track was just one example, and it's not an automatic blackball or anything.

Passion of the christ
Labrynth
Signs
AI
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Hulk

umm... gimmie another hour or two and i'll be back...

Ohh...


Terminator 3!

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Tue 04/05/2004 15:23:43
hehe.. It's alright.. Debating is healthy ;)

Yes you're right, debating is healthy, this morning I had a very good maths-debate ;) (the pun was intended ;))

Quote from: bspeers100 on Tue 04/05/2004 23:27:58
Ferris Beuller's Day Off -- Another Boring movie.

you sir nead a good slapping! that was a great film!

Beddazled (or whatever it's spelled)!!!

the guy who wrote it has probably never read the bible

Quote from: AGA on Tue 04/05/2004 00:35:22
Jennifer Lopez wasn't in Cube, she was in The Cell...

Thanks.. The Cell.. I haven't seen the cube then.Ã,  You see how I tried to burn the imagery out of my mind.Ã,  Never drink and post, I should've learned that by now by observation.

Thought I'd add a bit on the anime subject while here.  I dislike much of what I've seen but occasionally enjoy a film that either doesn't have the normal anime conventions or is good enough to appeal to me despite them. 
I've enjoyed Miyazaki's work, beginning with Spirited Away (which turned me on to the rest, after which Spirited Away became one of my least favorites of his).  I moderately enjoyed Akira, dug Ghost in the Shell and think Cowboy Bebop kicks ass. 

I have to adamantly agree about Ninja Scroll though, the movie (at least) is horrid. I've never seen the episodes so can only judge the movie. Since the movie was based upon an already-established character maybe it could've been good with some plot behind it.  Standing alone, it's like watching someone complete a video game in a couple hours.

I personally have nothing against Starship Troopers.. It was one of the first R movies I had seen.

Apparently they're making a lower budget, out-on-video sequel.

Quote from: YakSpit on Wed 05/05/2004 21:01:30
Thought I'd add a bit on the anime subject while here.Ã,  I dislike much of what I've seen but occasionally enjoy a film that either doesn't have the normal anime conventions or is good enough to appeal to me despite them.Ã, 
I've enjoyed Miyazaki's work, beginning with Spirited Away (which turned me on to the rest, after which Spirited Away became one of my least favorites of his).Ã,  I moderately enjoyed Akira, dug Ghost in the Shell and think Cowboy Bebop kicks ass.

Just so I don't come off as some complete Anime-hating bastard, I can easily say that I completely agree with all of those opinions.  The only ways in which I differ are that I saw Mononoke Hime before I saw Spirited Away, and I haven't seen any of the guy's other stuff.  Mononoke was completely awesome, though; definitely better than Spirited Away, which was still cool.  Akira and Ghost in the Shell were both good.  Cowboy Bebop is easily among my favorite anime productions, and it's got one of the most badass soundtracks I've ever heard.  The only other soundtrack I've heard from the composer Yoko Kanno was incredibly uninspiring, but Bebop's is amazing.

I may as well mention that I didn't like Mononoke as much as most Miyazaki films.

I mean, the standard is so high that it is still a very good film, but I still found it weaker than any of the others bar Nausicaa [which had obvious problems being based on an unfinished manga], which in some ways it seemed to be a second shot at.

I may check out some of his other films at some point.  Between Spirited Away and Mononoke, I definitely much prefer Mononoke, but I can see reasons for people feeling the opposite way.

QuoteI personally have nothing against Starship Troopers.. It was one of the first R movies I had seen.

Apparently they're making a lower budget, out-on-video sequel.

It's already out, I saw it yesterday in the video shop. My guess is all the clever military satire will be left out and only the mindless gore and bad acting will remain.

I think they forgot the clever military satire from the first one too...

Quote from: MrColossal on Thu 06/05/2004 02:35:36
I think they forgot the clever military satire from the first one too...

Yeah, I was going to ask about that myself...

Bah! Philistines! :)

I love Anime but I agree with that guy who hated Akira : "WTF?!" . 

I have a love-hate thing for "Being John Malkovich" . I love the basic idea "hey let's make a movie about what it would be like if you could get inside someone else's head and see things through their eyes and take over their body ...ect. !" ...and although JM is a great actor....why , oh why , JM? He's not very attractive and since there was a shower scene and love making scenes...*shudder*  I'm surprised I didn't have nightmares about the part where they showed him as every person but then again that part was also funny.  Hmmm...I just checked up to see what films he was in because I realized that I didn't know why I stated "he's a great actor" earlier and turns out he's in "Shadow of the Vampire" ,  I've seen that and he did a great job in that so I guess that's why I stated that...I haven't seen those other films he's been in....yet.

I love Magnolia , it was so sad what happened to that child actor and Aimee Mann is a great singer , but I also love it when the actors seem to be singing it instead of AM in that part of the movie.

I love movies like Dune ....I haven't read the book...yet...but I'm usually not the type to go "I like the book better" anyway.
Even though I can see how things like the movie "IT" can be called worse than the book , I think it's a cool movie and does scare a bit ( clowns scare me... ) even though some of the effects _are_ crappy...but it's a "so bad it's good / funny" sort of cheesy-crappy thing to me.

I love alot of the movies that others don't like , I think Bedazzled is hilarious and The Ring is exciting and scary.

Sorry for mostly talking about movies I love , I can't really think of many movies I hate other than ones I've already chatted about.

Sorry to make this post longer but I wanted to express more about my feelings towards Disney and Anime and its so-called fans , ect.  ...I know I could've just started a new topic but I've already made too many posts as it is for somebody who hasn't finished a game or been much help with somebody else's game yet.
"Sprited Away" : Great film. I didn't think I'd care too much about it at first even though it was Anime because I'd never heard of it before ....It's odd enough to be interesting to both adults and children but it's not adult the way "Labyrinth of Flames" is which makes it a good "kiddie" film.
Over in Japan , Anime/Manga is considered an art form. I do not know of any series that didn't start out as a Manga. If a Manga gets popular enough , then they go ahead and work on getting an Anime deal. I think maybe the reason that Anime is so hard to get accepted by some people is because it's soooo Japanese , even when it's been translated via sub or dub , I think some people still just don't get it. Like , comics over here are mostly about beefy superheros and sexed out superfemales , but in Japan they have something for nearly everyone. There's even some Manga that focus mainly on fashion or idol singing , ect. but can still make for a fun read.  There's alot of "in jokes" that most Americans might not get right away. A nose bleed indicates perverted thoughts /  erection.  The strange little Red marks a character might get when they're upset about something indicates anger.
I myself still don't get what's so funny about a snot bubble for when characters are sleeping but that's just another example of the humour in Japanese animation and comics.
Stuff like pleated skirts and "tube socks" or whatever are a Japanese thing because it's the school outfit over there...if I remember correctly , they looked to Europe and some other places for ideas about uniforms...they chose sailor outfits and I can't remember what else but I think German outift was also a choice at sometime. When the Kogals were still "in" , they often wore their school outfits to be cute even though they didn't really go to school 'cause they were mostly only cared about fashion and fun.
For some reason , most Anime "fans" hate Disney with a passion ...I guess they believe that Disney steals ideas or something just because Kimba and Simba just happen to have alot in common. *rolls eyes* Anyway , the fans even fight amongst themselves...and when that happens it's about which is better : Subbed or dubbed? This one article / post put it best : Some "purists" would say neither because they watched Anime back when you'd have to get it imported or something and they weren't even being subbed back then.
Labyrinth of Flames is great if you don't mind naughty / extreme humour , if you're usually against Anime , maybe something like this will change your mind , I think it's hilarious.
Even though I do love alot of the "mainstream" shows like Pokemon , (which by the way is only stupid because of the American company's fault...it's gotten dumbed down alot but I've seen some of the original stories and it's not as kiddish as people may think it is..Alot of Anime gets dumbed down due to American companies so if you judge it all because you think it's "kiddish" then you should think again...they don't always show you the good stuff but I think things finally changed over time and due to the real fans and the companies that seem to actually care about Anime instead of just trying to make a profit...well ...just saying there's good Anime out there and you just have to work to find it but please don't write it all off as "kid's" or "girly" stuff ) ,  hmm...Oh , as I was stating...I love the not so well known stuff too like Pet Shop of Horrors ...Birdy The Mighty...Labyrinth of Flames...Capricorn....Dragon Half....adult stuff.... Angelique...ect.  I haven't actually seen some of the titles I listed yet but I already like them because of the stuff I've seen online about them.
Sorry for any spelling errors and bad sentences ....*sighs*
Thanks Ryukage for bringing up other points , I totally forgot for a while that some people may complain about Anime due to whole "hey that guy looks girly!" thing. It's a female fan thing. Most girly guys ( bishonen "beautiful boy" or some such thing is the actual terminology ) are made by women.  CLAMP for example is an all female art team. That's why so many of the guys drawn by CLAMP look the way they do : Alot of women consider it sexy , cute , and funny.  If you don't like girly guys then look for another Anime. Simple , eh?  ;) :P ;D
Oh , and in just in case somebody didn't get it / missed it :
I love Disney _and_ Anime.

"But I think people shouldn't dismiss the whole of either genre on the basis of a few films." Agreed.
Even though I can't think of any Disney film that I just absolutely hated right now ,
I can think of some Anime that I can't stand.
But I still watch both.

"As for Pixar, I love their films. I think their characters are probably the most expressive 3D creations I've seen. I found them more realistic than the blank, emotionless faces of the Final Fantasy movie. But that's just my opinion." Don't worry , DG. Alot of the true Anime / FF fans hate the movie too. I still haven't seen the whole thing but from what I heard the darn thing doesn't even follow the game very closely so it's hated by people like me.  I love Pixar and it really saddens me that Squaresoft got into and keeps getting into 3D when it's obvious that they aren't very good at it. I've also seen at least one Final Fantasy animated ( no 3D ) movie and it bit the big one too but at least that Anime was closer to the game series than that 3D movie.

"And as for the whole debate on whether anime is a genre or whatever, I tend to think that Western culture has placed it into a genre (which is fine by me cause it helps me find anime quicker in the DVD store). But, I am aware of the cultural differences and the conventions. People have said they hate a lot of the conventions. However, the conventions are based on Japanese culture. And sometimes it's difficult to understand different cultures because we rely so heavily on our own." *nod* Wether or not it's "meant" to be a genre , I count it as one ...I didn't even consider that maybe I should be ashamed of that until now but I still think of myself as a "true" Anime fan. I think for reasons I've mentioned already and the fact that so many so-called fans are just in it because they see the style and are like "oh that's cool" but they don't take the time to research it and all and then there's the idiots that go out in cosplay even though they look hideous and stupid and lastly the freaking "purists" who gripe out people like me just because they think they're soooo smart.....THOSE type of "fans" are making the rest of us look bad. You know what they say about one bad apple spoiling the whole bunch.  ( or rather...in this case a bunch of bad apples spoiling the grove or whatever...arrr..you get what I mean...right? ) *sighs*
And then there's people that may act like my brother and write off all Anime as Hentai. *rolls eyes*

Quote from: Queen Kara on Thu 06/05/2004 04:52:13
I think Bedazzled is hilarious and Ringu is exciting and scary.

Ringu (http://imdb.com/title/tt0178868/), yes. The Ring (http://imdb.com/title/tt0298130/), no.

Quote from: ElectricMonk on Thu 06/05/2004 13:07:19

Quote from: Queen Kara on Thu 06/05/2004 04:52:13
I think Bedazzled is hilarious and Ringu is exciting and scary.

Ringu (http://imdb.com/title/tt0178868/), yes. The Ring (http://imdb.com/title/tt0298130/), no.

Whoops , I think I made a mistake. I haven't actually seen "Ringu" yet but because "The Ring" is based on it and I've seen it , I did consider it exciting and scary. Then again it's been a while since I've seen it , but the stuff I remember from it is pretty freaky.
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Sorry if you consider yourself a purist when it comes to Anime , I'm not talking about anybody here since that would be stupid ...I barely know anybody here but I'm just saying that people who don't consider me a real Anime fan and act like they know more than me ...people like that tick me off. I realize that I may come off with the purist type attitude myself sometimes but I try not to , sorry if you feel I have a "I know sooo much more than you so I don't consider you an Anime fan" sort of attitude. I do not mean to come off that way since that is the sort of thing that ticks me off.  I'm just telling you all that right now because I wanted to make sure people understood that I'm not judging anybody here...but if you make it personal and insult me about things ( I know there's still alot I don't know about Anime and Japan but I shouldn't have to know every little thing but I know alot and just because I love the mainstream stuff ...it does not mean I'm not a real Anime fan if I like mainstream stuff because I also like the not so well known Anime )  then I feel I would have every right to consider you the bad type of purist if you know what I mean.  Sorry this is so long and if I left anything out. I keep feeling like I might be forgetting something...
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I'd get back on topic if I could think of some other movies to complain about but I can't , sorry.

Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood
Bedazzled (or whatever it's spelled)!!!

the guy who wrote it has probably never read the bible

Peter Cook? I suspect he read the bible. He was a pretty literate guy.
I haven't seen the 1967 original but I enjoyed the remake, in a mindless fun kind of way.

Quote from: ElectricMonk
Ringu, yes. The Ring, no.

I've only seen half an hour of the original with Dutch subtitles, but I enjoyed the remake. If anything the remake seemed scarier. Hard to judge, though.

Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Thu 06/05/2004 14:04:16

Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood
Bedazzled (or whatever it's spelled)!!!

the guy who wrote it has probably never read the bible

Peter Cook?

Wasn't it Goethe?

I fell asleep during Ringu

Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Tue 04/05/2004 14:50:12
Aww.. What's the matter.. Does itty bitty Ryukage not want to admit that some cartoons can be watched and enjoyed by males? Awwwwww.. How sweet.. He's trying to be all grown up and manly.

As Esseb pointed out (thank you, Esseb), I'm a huge fan of good animation.  I watch more anime than live-action, and I also quite liked Titan A.E. and a number of other Don Bluth films.  I just can't stand Disney.

QuoteHow can you say every animated Disney movie is dumb? Have you watched them all?

Most of them.  Saw every one of their fairy-tale movies from Snow White on through to Beauty and the Beast, and quite a lot of their live-action productions as well.  I may have enjoyed them as a kid, or I may have just thought I was supposed to enjoy them, but at this point in time I find them trite, predictable, and rather stupid.

QuoteDo you have any idea how much work went into each film (Except for the latest, crappy-ass ones) Pinocchio, Robin Hood, Black Cauldron, Aladdin.. All of em' well done animated films.

Putting a lot of work into a dumb idea doesn't make it any less dumb.  I might make an exception for Black Cauldron -- I only remember that I've seen it, not anything about it (I thought it was Don Bluth).  The rest of the movies on your list: stupid.

QuoteAnd how dare you say Pixar's films are dumb.. Again.. Have you WATCHED any of them? IMO.. The only dumb Pixar movie was Bugs Life.. But Finding Nemo.. and Monsters Inc.. Wow.. If you can't like those films you must be one very depressing individual..

Saw Toy Story.  Dumb.  A movie about fish?  Dumb.  Movie about a human lost in monster world? Been done a zillion times, dumb every time.  Shrek?  Maybe I just hate Mike Myers.

QuoteBTW.. What does your signature mean? Were you born in 1996? Cause your profile says you're 23...

Well I wasn't born performing ninjutsu.  The Ninja Warrior Ryukage (http://host.deluxnetwork.com/~asgard/fanfiction/NinjaWarriorRyukage/)
(I'm almost embarassed to link to that, it's so dated.  I've been meaning to write a totally new and much-revised version, but have never gotten around to doing so.  At least you can read an in-progress story featuring the newer version of the character here (http://p082.ezboard.com/frefpowerfrm12.showMessage?topicID=2.topic).  Don't worry about popups, it's a Gold ezBoard.)

My signature (and the text under my avatar as well) are obvious references to the REAL ULTIMATE POWER homepage.  Because I'm a ninja.  (OK, not really, but this is the internet.  Here CJ can be an anthropomorphic superhero puma, Andail can be an elf, and I can be a ninja. Because that's what makes the internet great.)



As a general reply on the subject of anime:

From the titles that have been cited, I'm wondering how many of the people here have even seen enough anime to have an informed opinion.  Mononoke?  Sprited Away?  Probably great films (haven't seen them -- not my cup of tea), but there's more to anime than Miyazaki.  Pokemon?  Sailor Moon?  Aimed at kids and teenage girls.

Someone said anime has lots of guys that look like girls.  First of all, how is this any different from the zillions of movies staring Ben Afleck, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, or Johnny Depp?  Not that I'd recommend any of their movies, but the point is that an abundance of bishounen (pretty boys) is not a strictly Japanese phenomenon.  Second, ever seen Golgo 13?  Yotoden?  M.D. Geist?  Roujin Z?  The Peacock King?  If you watch shoujou (anime aimed at teenage girls) you'll see a lot a bishounen.  Watch anime aimed at a more mature audience, and this perception vanishes.

Someone also complained about frenetic non-stop hyper-action.  This is a trait of shounen (teenage boys) anime, and sometimes of shoujou (shoujou tends to depend more on elaborate, dance-like attack motions that in real life would allow an enemy to go to the bathroom, get a cup of coffee, read a newspaper, and still have time to punch the heroine in the face before she finished making her attack).  Personally, I like action-packed anime like Yu Yu Hakusho, Project A-ko, Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer, and Shadow Skill.  But there's no more of that in anime than in any other country's films.  No one in their right mind would accuse Witch Hunter Robin, Galaxy Express 999, or Darkside Blues of being "action-packed."

More than one person has said they don't like anime because of it's conventions.  I ask: what conventions?  As has already been pointed out, anime is a medium, not a genre.  There are shoujou conventions, shounen conventions, hentai conventions (mmm, tentacles), mecha conventions, and other genre conventions.  Akira Toriyama is a genre unto himself, with unique conventions of his own.  But there is no such thing as anime conventions.  There's even an entire wing of art films with the express intent of breaking conventions.  Anime runs the whole gamut from kids shows like Hamtaro and Tama and Friends to hardcore porn like Urotsudokuji (I may have mangled that title) and Rei-Rei, and most of the conventions are the same as any other country's shows aimed at the same demographic.  I think there's even a few anime sitcoms.

In my experience, anyone who says they don't like anime has simply been watching the wrong anime.

Though they don't make good counterexamples to the above compaints, lemme list a few more good ones for those with open minds: Excel Saga, Lupin III, Demon City Shinjuku, Ronin Warriors (aka Yoroiden Samurai Troopers), Patlabor, The Slayers, Record of Lodoss War, Plastic Little, Ariel, Detonator Orgun, Gunsmith Cats, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Tenchi Muyo (the original OAVs are good, the TV series maybe not so good, and Tenchi in Tokyo is downright atrocious), and Devil Hunter Yohko.  Watch all the movies and TV shows I've mentioned in this post, and then you'll have an informed opinion on anime.  Don't worry too much that my list is biased, I've mentioned some anime in here that I dislike right along with the ones I like.  I've even mentioned a few that I haven't even seen myself.

But wasn't this the bash dumb movies thread?

I agree with some points, I specially like Akira Toriyama's work and Lupin III... I can't talk about the other titles, but if Ryu says they're good they'll surelly be...

But there was a certain period (early 90ies) where we were flooded by japanese trash, and I can perfectly understand too that LGM had enough of that.

Anime sucks, and I don't need a reason why! :o ;D

Honestly, if you don't like any of it, that's fine. Noone saying you HAVE to like it (at least, I'm not), but just don't complain about it in general if you haven't seen more than a lot of the crappy titles that get released outside of Japan and then dubbed into sickeningly poor english.

I've been watching anime for half of my life and I can tell you a million titles more that I hate rather than those that I like or love. As has been pointed out, 'anime' just can't be called a genre in itself. It's not like saying "I hate Disney movies" or "I hate Pixar's movies". It's like saying, "I hate Korean movies" and even though of course Japan has a great film industry outside of animation, it's a huge bitch of a chunk out of the industry.

I agree that Witch Hunter Robin is just fucking awful >_< I love a lot of shoujo though, Marmalade Boy, Kimagure Orange Road and Yawara are some of my all-time favourites :P

Personally, I don't think I can imagine ANYONE hating Kochikame... especially the movie.

I can almost agree with Ryukage about hating Disney. I certainly do, especially these days. Then I remember growing up with Donald Duck and Sword in the Stone and I have to remind myself that I used to love it once. I can't believe Disney still parades Mickey Mouse around ... how many children under the age of 15 today will even know who the hell he is? I also don't give a flying crap for bloody Nemo. I do have a lot of love for Pixar but it's technical love instead of that nice gooey "I love all of your films" love ^_^ I think Toy Story 1 was all I've ever actually liked of theirs, and only because of the extra characters. God, would someone please put Woody and his little bitch in a blender?

I recently saw the Ring (Japanese) for the first time and surprisingly, I liked it. The problem with that is that I -hate- horror movies, PARTICULARLY Japanese horror movies which are without a doubt usually the scariest in the world. I'm the most sensitive scaredy cat you could find, so the fact that I watched it and remained fine says something about just how scary it was. It was more like a good crime solving movie... I was kind of disappointed about it, given the amount of hype around it years back. I thought it would be one of the scariest movies ever.

While I'm on the subject... and I haven't seen it, but didn't the American version actually put a big 'ring' on the video in the movie? Pah :P They have to make everything so bloody literal and obvious.

Whereas Ringu merely devoted half it's running time to explanatory dialogues between the two main characters...

I do agree with a lot of the sentiments about anime expressed here. But I do have some points to contribute.

I do like Disney films, particularly the older ones. I find it ironic that Ryukage says, "In my experience, anyone who says they don't like anime has simply been watching the wrong anime." When you look at that staement isolated on it's only (which it is), you wonder if you could also say, "anyone who says they don't like Disney films has simply been watching the wrong Disney films."

I've seen a lot of Disney shorts in my time. I've seen the classic stuff like 'Steamboat Willie'. They're great. A piece of history. In fact, if you want to see a true piece of art check out the Disney version of 'Noah's Ark'. The film was a stop-motion film made entriely out of odds and ends, like pipecleaners, corks, cotton, etc. Or have a gander at 'Toot Whistle Plunk and Boom', which is a film that deals with musical theory. Or even one of my faves, 'Donald in Mathmagic Land'.

And don't forget Disney's documentaries. For example, 'Men Against the Arctic' or 'The Living Desert'.

That why I think it's hypocritical to blast Disney films on the basis of some of the feature films and then become defensive when someone says they don't like anime based on the few shows or movies they've watched.

I hate Disney now, mainly because Eisnerhas fucked it up. But back in the past day, it produced a lot of decent stuff.

However, I'm hanging out to see their latest major short film 'Destino', which was produced by Roy E. Disney and co-written by Salvador Dali. It was a project that was in the making for several decades and they released it last year. Roy Disney, however, has attacked Eisner's handling of Disney and the whole story can be read here: http://www.savedisney.com/

That's why I think it's a little ignorant to quickly condemn Disney and at the same time praise anime.

Sure, I like anime and have seen a lot of titles. Some I like. Some I don't. I prefer the more "touchy-feely" stuff that deals with relationships and people's feelings and so forth. I recently saw a series called Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (The Eternity You Desire), which interested me a lot (Ironically, it was based on a hentai game but they toned it down for TV). I liked Eva. And I like Miyazaki's stuff. The game 'Seasons of Sakura' is one of my fave adventure games for reasons you'll find scattered around this board. But there's some shows I don't like, but I've been a big supporter of the aforementioned Sturgeon's Law.

There's stuff about Disney I like and there's stuff I don't like. Likewise, there's stuff about anime I like and stuff I don't like.

But I think people shouldn't dismiss the whole of either genre on the basis of a few films.

As for Pixar, I love their films. I think their characters are probably the most expressive 3D creations I've seen. I found them more realistic than the blank, emotionless faces of the Final Fantasy movie. But that's just my opinion.

And as for the whole debate on whether anime is a genre or whatever, I tend to think that Western culture has placed it into a genre (which is fine by me cause it helps me find anime quicker in the DVD store). But, I am aware of the cultural differences and the conventions. People have said they hate a lot of the conventions. However, the conventions are based on Japanese culture. And sometimes it's difficult to understand different cultures because we rely so heavily on our own.

Well, I think that sums it up pretty much in once neat little package. I think everyon has pretty much have a vote and made their case on where the stand on Disney and Amine. I think arguments have been established on both sides but now people are starting to repeat whats already been said...and I think thats a sign that we should move on. I vote for a motion of "Lets drop it now" and continue with the topic of the thread. If people disagree, I suggest that we at least edit the title of the thread to "Bitching about Anime and Disney" as to not confuse people just joining in.