Only I apologise that I am drunk when writing this, BUT I AM OUTRAGED!
Basically my friend decided to leave a pub for a breather and to enter again in 5mins. Well about 15mins past no answer on his phone so I decide to go out to find him. Basically he is rejected entry cause his ID doesn't match himself. But it does. The ID was a passport(hard to forge) which included his date of birth and his photo. The only different was his photo he had a skin head(terrible I know) but now he has longer hair. And he says that this picture looks like a brother that is older. They bouncers wouldn't look at any other forms of ID such as bank cards and national Insurance proving his name sake(not picture Identification). Well he was rejected so I speak to him for about 5mins and try to re-enter to tell the others what has happened and we were leaving. Now I have been rejected. My Id wasnt checked. They would not look at anything I produced and said I was rejected for the night. Now that is discrimination. I explained I only wanted to go on to find the others and was happy for one of them to escort me to do so. But the fact that I spoke to a "seemly" under age-er I was now not allowed to enter.
Now my problem ... The fact no one looked at my ID as I was willing to show about 4 different sources, 2 of which had photos and 3 of which ahd my date of birth. I was labelled as rejected as my friend was because I spoke to him. Now what if I was was about 20years older
obviously over 18 and doesn't needed to be ID'd. Or even If I was a parent trying to get their under age child to go into a pub. They wouldn't personally be rejected. Never.
I think this is ridiculous and the main reason for this is that the police was present about 3 time tonight at that pub. For unrelated criminal offences. And they would not let anyone who seemed under 21 in. Now that is prejudice. I have a right to drink there and have been drinking there for a long time (well since I was 18). It seems rather ridiculous.
Now I understand they don't want to cause a major conflict, but even when I explained my intentions and showed my various forms of Identification and even was open to one of the bouncers to escorting me to my friends(keeping an eye that I would be away from the bar) I was rejected entry. Hence the pissed off state I am in presently.
Kill 'em all, let God sort them out.
Don't they have arcades or theaters there?
Dude, every bar has the right to choose their customers, and every bouncer can throw you out if they feel like it. It's not like it's in the law, that they have to take in everyone that wants to drink. I realise you're drunk, but think about it. Seriously.
Quote from: Tuomas on Sat 11/10/2008 10:45:06
Dude, every bar has the right to choose their customers, and every bouncer can throw you out if they feel like it. It's not like it's in the law, that they have to take in everyone that wants to drink. I realise you're drunk, but think about it. Seriously.
This.
Bouncers can deny you entry for wearing trainers instead of shoes, or because they don't like the look of you. It's a private business, so it's really their discretion who they let in and who they don't.
Yeah, well I don't regret posting this. I understand that they have the right to do this, but allowing us entry earlier on, then not even wanting to look at any form of ID later... Just I feel like I made my point that I didn't want to drink there (being rejected or not) but just to get to my friends, who didn't have a clue about this whole thing until this morning. I just felt discriminated. For the only reason, because I knew this guy and spoke to him about 5 mins after he was rejected for re-entering the pub. Just it doesn't seem fair. What was I going to do? Just ignore him because he was rejected entering the pub again. Just this has really annoyed me.
That's just how pubs work. The solution is to go to a better pub.
Reply: I did tonight ;D
Did you know that if you walk into a pub, the bartender, landlord is in his full rights to reject serving you for whatever reason. This is a pretty pointless post. I've been rejected at the door, becuase it was raining and I was too wet to come in, I've been rejected for resembling someone who had been kicked out the same night.
Been denied service at a pub or club happens to loads of people, innocent or nit. Get over it really.
By the way, you are barred from my pub. I don't like your attitude.
It's true they can reject you for whatever reason, but at least in Sweden the discrimination laws are pretty strict; if there are reasons to believe that you were denied entrance e.g. because of your skin colour, the establishment is likely to be fined or at least warned.
There have been plenty of such cases in the recent years in my city, immigrants being refused although white people both before and after in line has been let in. I was even a witness once, and I quite bravely inquired the bouncers why the person in question wasn't let in, to which they first replied that he was too drunk (which he wasn't) and then that he had a false ID, which there was no reason to believe, but then I quite un-bravely forgot about it and went inside, not wanting to lose my own right of passage due to bad attitude...
I've been rejected a couple of times due to my appearing too drunk, which is largely because of my sleepy eye lids - I then have to explain in my most sober voice that I suffer from a minor facial imperfection which is not all related to intoxication. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Well sorry if this post is pointless. But may I just ask why you don't like my attitude, layabout? I believe I took a very open-minded approach. I explained my point and also understood why they did do what they did, but I suggest solutions to the problem that aided both sides. So sorry unless you want me to be very egotistical with all of the problems I face, I don't see how my attitude was bad.
However an event in my life shouldn't really be a topic of discussion in the forums. So I apologise.
Quote from: IndieBoy on Sun 12/10/2008 21:24:36
But may I just ask why you don't like my attitude, layabout? I believe I took a very open-minded approach. I explained my point and also understood why they did do what they did, but I suggest solutions to the problem that aided both sides. So sorry unless you want me to be very egotistical with all of the problems I face, I don't see how my attitude was bad.
Ok, now you're barred from my pub too.
Anyone who looks under 25 should be ID checked. If it doesn't look like him in some fashion, it's entirely feasable they will reject entry. It could have been his brothers passport, or a friends. Personally, I'd never take a passport as ID, a driving license or a PASS card is sufficient. Pubs only bar entry to protect their asses. If I were found to be serving a person under age, the pub would be fined £5000 and I would be fined £2500. (or somewhere around that figure) I personally don't want that, and no licensee does.
Passports are never full proof of ID. Until we have mandatory fingerprint scanners at the door to a drinking establishment, there is never a sure-fire way of knowing the person is who they say they are.