Call me a *%*%$$ but i have this dream of learning telekinesis (boy it sound ridiciolus)
an i wanna start with psi-balls.
Can anyone gimme an advice of HOW THE HECK THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKI IN THE BEGINING!!!
Thank you.
Edit by Andail: Fixed title.
Two words: System Shock 2.
www.cremo.de/adventurer/screenshots/ss2_04.jpg (http://www.cremo.de/adventurer/screenshots/ss2_04.jpg)
That's what you had in mind?
I accidently read a book about that once, and after removing all the blahblah the result was you don't actually need a Psi-Ball or something; you can use one if you want, but every other object to focus on will be just fine or something like that. Sorry, acutally the book was about conspiracy theories (I LOVE reading up on that) and that crazy guy just threw something about Psi in. So, short story long, you can take anything you want as a Psi-Ball.
What Ive been reading in my Psi Monthly is that you start small.
not small things, per se, but try to move things with body parts smaller than your mind. First start with the finger then move up to the hand. Eventually you'll be able to move objects with your feet!
If I already AM able to move objects with my feet, am I allowed to join the X-Men now?
http://psipog.net/art-psiball-faq.html
and http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Psi-Ball
Thank you, Google.
EDIT:
I just tried making one, and for a moment I thought it worked. Turned to be a mark on my glasses in reality.
Psi.. Balls? I can't believe people actually believe in this stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
My favorite example of debunking all this crap.
Shouldn't you first establish whether a given phenomenon exists BEFORE trying to figure out how it works?
Oh and this one is quite amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlfMsZwr8rc
MrColossal, that's jumping to conclusions. People have analyzed that fight & did you notice the "hand shake" before the match? the guy obviously tainted his psi ball energy!
In reality I bet the old guy offered 10K to retain the illusion. Bogus storytellers trying to make people believe in magic.
Eric, I love that clip. I think everyone who's practiced any sort of martial art or boxing or wrestling or whatever to a degree where you actually fight to subdue your opponent rather than gaining points from doing fancy moves, knows that most disciplines out there are merely mysticist eye-candy and gymnastics.
As for the "psi-balls"...I'm not gonna comment on this one. There are for sure people who'll testify that it works for them and they have these special powers, so what's the use trying to argue about it. Likewise, they'll never be able to prove anything.
Maybe Terranrich can offer some input, he used to be able to both hypnotize people and read their thoughts...
Quote from: space boy on Thu 17/05/2007 20:53:02
Shouldn't you first establish whether a given phenomenon exists BEFORE trying to figure out how it works?
Oh and this one is quite amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlfMsZwr8rc
My friend sweared to god that he made a psi ball. I never saw him lying.
Oh man that video is brutal, eric. What's the problem old man, never been punched before? I guess he ran out of mana?
One can only assume that it takes an equal amount of training to become hit and wounded by a psi-ball as it takes to produce one and cast it.
What the hell is psi-balls?
Quote from: arthur.com on Fri 18/05/2007 12:52:17
My friend sweared to god that he made a psi ball. I never saw him lying.
what kind of argument is that? if your friend told you he turns into a werewolf on fullmoon would you believe him? ask him to make a psiball in front of you. oh, and if your friend wants to make a million us dollars(1000 000 US$): http://www.randi.org/. James Randi offers a prize for anyone who proves a paranormal phenomenon. the money has been unclaimed for over 40 years.
Quote from: space boy on Fri 18/05/2007 13:23:01
James Randi offers a prize for anyone who proves a paranormal phenomenon. the money has been unclaimed for over 40 years.
That's because psychic energies don't respond well to rigid scientific investigation. Which is odd, because all the other
real forms of energy do.
Anyway, if can't find a psi-ball, try dowsing for it. That's what I do. Or pray to the saint of psi-balls, either will work.
You guys introduced me to James Randi and Im so thankful. Ive watched every clip on youtube where he challenges bogus paranormal activity.
His reasons are so good. He doesn't want there NOT to be paranormal activity. He genuinely wants to see it, but so far in the last half century no paranormal activity has been proven as actual phenomena.
Penn and Teller and James Randi are my kind of guys. I too feel that the masses are becoming delusional when brought up with the belief of psychics, ghosts, and old wives tales. Illusion should be advertised as illusion.
James Randi exposed Uri Geller, Peter Popoff, & other frauds. http://youtube.com/results?search_query=james+randi&search=Search
Man, three posts in and Space Boy is already one of my favorite people...
Last time I said this about a new member the person turned into a whiney jerk so WATCH OUT SpaceBoy!
Also, Arthur. Take pictures, video, anything of this phenomena happening with your friend. I don't know how old you are but there is a thing called the scientific method and just about every paranormal claim has been tested and has failed so I suggest not taking things at face value and do a little critical thinking.
Quote from: arthur.com on Fri 18/05/2007 12:52:17My friend sweared to god that he made a psi ball. I never saw him lying.
He probably really believes he did. Besides the frauds, there are a lot of people of actually believe they have powers of some kind, but usually it's just a delusion. For example, most people who apply for prizes like the million dollars of the JREF aren't frauds (because they know they don't have a chance under controlled conditions), but people who honestly believe they can do what they claim, but fail to do so under controlled conditions (like double blind tests) and are genuinely shocked when their powers don't work.
Unless of course, James Randi himself is the greatest psychic in the world and he wants to keep it that way and not let the knowledge of psychic powers spread, so he uses his, probably considerable, powers to sabotage the demonstrations of other people with real, but less developed, psychic powers to make it seem that they don't have any such powers whatsoever. ;)
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 18/05/2007 15:27:17
Man, three posts in and Space Boy is already one of my favorite people...
Last time I said this about a new member the person turned into a whiney jerk so WATCH OUT SpaceBoy!
That's too bad. I turn into one every full moon.
That gives us a little over 2 weeks to find a cure for you!
When I was a child about 4 years old, I'd get dreams and sometimes, I believe I have premonitions; but in a small scale...
Before I had correct view, everything was blurry and I saw this fast foward blurry video-like thing; after that I got my first visual memory (I was lying on the floor at the time holding a rubber snake). Now that I lived most of my life, some of those blurry images look familiar; a jade poster in my old school, helping the maid make the bed, etc.
I had a dream that I was having a test and I looked at my paper, all the answers were there (although the whole dream was kinda blurry). The next day I had a test (I passed it, this was me at 4)
I also had a dream I was singing in this black room with an audience. I didn't remember this dream until I actually performed in the school's singing contest; it was in the drama room and the walls were painted black ( I sung very well, I was the only person who's name was chanted before and after my peformance...sadly I sang a song which did not require me to dance, so I didn't win cause I didn't do much action - the students think otherwise, the person who won, only won cause she took an audience into the stage! Her voice wasn't even that strong, plus alot of people don't like her cause she's bossy. NB. I'm just pointing out what others had said, truthfully the girl was my friend so I couldn't really feel bad about it)
nowadays my dreams are either freaky or abstract, well, more like freaky cause it's abstract. I just woke up from a dream about me and a teacher, we were looking for this woman. My teacher happened to have psycic powers ion this dream with food or cookies (I don't know why, I'm just describing my dream) and there was this part where she made the image of the woman with cookie dough and I had to kiss it for some reason (that was disgusting...) and then she ate it, somewhere along he way we met with an old malay guy with no pupils in a wooden hut who said stuff lke "they are comming" in malay...
wierd, what did that mean?
In my country's superstitious religion, we believe that baby's are able to see demons. My sister saw them more than once as a child and my mum had to purify her (rituals and all) in fact everyone in the family experienced it at least once or in a small scale... my sister was the only one really bothered by them (she'd often end up in tears). My mom performed a ritual to me too, cause of insomnia (apparently I'm in the dreams field and the demons disturb me there)
I think in some cases psychic powers work according to age and deterioates and may work again by some conditions. Maybe it works according to belief?
I think I'll try this psi ball thing....but I'm kinda scared to...
Albert einstine said that the human uses about 14% of their brain and he use about 10. A few people believe that if you are able to use more brain activity, you can do stuff like telekenisis. Maybe this whole psi ball thing is one of the methods to practise your minds so you'll be able to use more...?
vertigo addict:
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
we use all of our brain.
"Maybe it works according to belief?" This is more true than you know. If you believe in something you will accept all sorts of dumb things. If you strongly believe in psychics you will never question why supposed psychics are constantly getting things wrong and making false predictions. If you believe in demons you'll accept that children can see them even though a child having nightmares is as common as a dirt.
Record yourself doing your psi-ball training or whatever. Please. If you ever create one I want to see it on film. It would be amazing.
Quote from: space boy on Fri 18/05/2007 13:23:01
Quote from: arthur.com on Fri 18/05/2007 12:52:17
ask him to make a psiball in front of you.
I'l ask i'm.
But i once tried to make a picture and it failed.
The psi ball (and his concentration) dis appiered.
I can describe what he was doing. ( from my view)
1. He was kinde freed. not moving.
2. he started to shake his arms like if he was shaking something off.
3.He put his ands in front of his face ( like this ( !@@! ) )
4.He looked like he was lifting an elephant
5.Face turned red.
And there was a little flashing of a that-ball-thingie-that-moves-your-computers-cursor sized light.
The light very dark. You could consider it bright in a pitch black cave.
arthur, if you wanna test your friends abilities properly you should read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
you should also look for these names on google and youtube: james randi, michael shermer, penn and teller.
And like I said, first find out whether psychic powers exist at all before trying to move an object with your mind. otherwise you'll just be wasting valuable time staring at stuff. your friend might not be consciously lying to you but he might be deluding himself. You shouldn't jump to conclusions after seeing a random spark. If it turns out that psychic powers do not exist you'll have to deal with it as dissapointing as it might be to you. And honestly, if psychic powers were real we would stop calling them "paranormal" a long time ago. And don't get me started on conspiracy theories and "THEY don't want you to find out!". Don't hold on to a belief just because it's comforting. You might just aswell keep believing in santa claus. Besides there's enough awesome stuff in the universe which makes you go "wow!" and which is REAL. You don't have to make up silly stuff to make nature fascinating.
You've lost so much of MrColossal's respect.
I'd honestly like to believe in things like psi balls, but the unicorn told me they didn't exist.
-MillsJROSS
At first I thought "psi-balls" were balls of psychic energy that you hurled at your opponents. What a disappointment.
Edit: Oh, wait, I misread something. I guess they could be used offensively, supposedly.
I love threads like these which get into arguments of the scientific method and the existence of the paranormal.. and all the while the title of the thread includes the verbage usage "to mank."
James Randi's project alpha should be recreated for today's audiences.
Quote from: evenwolf on Sat 19/05/2007 00:20:22
I love threads like these which get into arguments of the scientific method and the existence of the paranormal.. and all the while the title of the thread includes the verbage usage "to mank."
James Randi's project alpha should be recreated for today's audiences.
Indeed! I'd love it if he chose to debunk Chris Angel! I hate that guy.. He is a poor magician who use cheap effects to get rich and famous. And some people actually think it's real magic.
David Blaine is awesome tho. That's the real deal. Street magic/illusions. :)
Everybody knows that Randi was cheating his testings. It was so easy for him to use his own magical abilities, like Houdini did before him, to hide the thruth.
It's like every time I'm creating Psy-balls. They get stole even before I was able to watch it. The Engine says. Must be a bug somewhere inside 'Player enters room before fadein'
:p
Quote from: evenwolf on Sat 19/05/2007 00:20:22
James Randi's project alpha should be recreated for today's audiences.
I'm pretty sure if someone made something like project alpha again the hype, lack of scepticism and shock after revealing the hoax would be just as big as back then. That's because of media sensationalism and the moronism of the general public. Voices of reason would be ignored as limited human rationalism that is not able to grasp "what's out there". ::) Not much has changed during 25 years, but that's exactly the reason remaking project alpha is an excelent idea.
David Blain and Chris Angel make no claim to be supernatural, so far as I've noticed. If David Blaine said "I'm the second coming of Christ" i think Randi would take notice.
Randi doesn't have issues with illusionists being illusionists. That's how he became famous.
I love that half of Chris Angel's magic tricks have the same secret:
Chris: Ok, now, we've never met before, right?
Blatently-planted audience member: *crosses fingers* Right.
about Chriss Angel...i wached 'chriss angel puts lady in half''
That one i really cant figure out.
Hmm.... paid audience and editing?
Quote from: space boy on Sat 19/05/2007 13:09:12
Hmm.... paid audience and editing?
Could be..... ...
Indeed!
Quote from: arthur.com on Sat 19/05/2007 13:11:21
Quote from: space boy on Sat 19/05/2007 13:09:12
Hmm.... paid audience and editing?
Could be..... ...
nononono please insist it's something considerably outlandish and extravagant so Occam can cry more.
The irony with illusions is that the real solution is often far more outlandish and difficult to comprehend than saying "he's just magic". Expositors often say that scientists have trouble seeing through the techniques of sham paranormalists. I think that's part of the reason.
That's all part of the misdirection though. If you apply Occams razer stringently it's often easy to start picking apart an illusion. Presume that the magician/psychic can achieve the feat they're attempting and look for
anything they do that they wouldn't need to do were that the case.
Quote from: space boy on Sat 19/05/2007 13:09:12
Hmm.... paid audience and editing?
There's more than one way to bisect a lady.
Alot of people say that it is a midget carrying an amputee, which I suppose is possible.
Arthur. Psiballs are impossible. Any kind of telekenesis isnt real. Grow up.
In my opinion, keep your mind open (no pun intended).
There are people who say "Oh, yeah, it works great!"
And then there'll be people telling you not to waste your time.
Point is, just keep trying. Try things for yourself, and if it gets stupid to you, then do something else.
In other news, self-hypnosis works great. Doubled my productivity in school, made me have a better memory, etc.
It's probably only because I THINK it worked. If you believe something enough about yourself, it'll become very much real.
Anywho, try things out for yourself. Don't let people think for you.
Quote from: Ali on Sat 19/05/2007 17:24:47
There's more than one way to bisect a lady.
That sounds like the title of Hannibal Lecters biography.
Quote from: Alliance on Sat 19/05/2007 17:30:12
Anywho, try things out for yourself. Don't let people think for you.
I couldn't agree more. If he wants to try it himself, that's completely fine. I just pointed out that if psychic powers were real scientists would discover that years ago so his time would be better spent elsewhere. But yeah, Arthur, don't take my word for it! Do your own research, but do it PROPERLY.
thera are things that you can an can not be completley shure like im not completley shure if its possible to jump off a roof and survive and i'm very shure that you cant see a pikachu
in your front loan.
But when every single scientific test of paranormal activity has failed, you can begin to draw a pretty solid conclusion that telekinesis does not exist farther than science fiction. There's being skeptical and there's ignoring evidence.
Alliance says keep an open mind and I add but not open so much that your brain falls out.
Of course you can't be 100% sure about anything and a real scientist will never claim that. Science is all about probability. Even stuff like the theory of evolution or newtonian physics isn't said to be 100% true. But after all of the tests that have been done you get a pretty high probability that these theories describe actual reality - something around 99,9999(and a lot more nines here)%. That's how science works. You do a bunch of tests, look at the results and then come up with a percentage. You don't just pull it out of your ass, you look at the evidence. Like MrColossal said, paranormal things in general have been tested since about the 18th century and a ridiculously low number of those tests actually supports the existence of these things. If you wanna put it in numbers, it's less than 0,00001% FOR paranormal activities.
Quote from: arthur.com on Sat 19/05/2007 20:51:01
I'm not completley shure if its possible to jump off a roof and survive
You can jump off a roof and survive but you must meet certain conditions. The urban jumpers can jump down from amazing heights but they position their bodies as shock absorbers. So from a scientific point of view, our control model would have to take these "survivors" into account. It wouldn't be a proper control to simply drop an egg or a dummy off the same roof. If you hit the ground "legs-first" you will absorb shock even if its your knees shattering.
Here's a cute thing to prove that:
In a tv-show a man will win a price that is behind one of three doors. So he must guess the right one. the host tells him to think of the one first and then he'll remove one that's certainly empty. So the man believes the price is in the left one. Now the host removes the middle one showing it's empty. So according to probablity, should the man now change his assumption from his door to the door on right?
Yes, he should, because it's more probable that the price is in the other door. Think about that. I'll give a candy to the one who can tell me why the man should change between two doors.
Tuomas, that's pretty old.
He should change the door, because the only scenario where he shouldn't, would be if he picked the right one from the start, which is only 1/3 probability. Hence, changing doors would be right 2 times of 3.
Still don't see what this riddle would prove, though?
/me pours a sack of jawbreakers on Andail
It proves that things are not always how they seem, and err... well... I mean... Well basically if you start from the very situation where you have two doors and not three, it makes no sense to change. So basically it's a matter of perception, most people I know would go for the analytic way you did since it was a bloody maths school we come from, but the rest, say my brother wouldn't realise it. So I kind of combined it with the thought of considering something to... err, well we were talking probabaility, right? And yet in the end you still have just two doors. So does that make science false in such cases? Could it be that he's right? I don't think so. Now I'm confused...
Eat your candy >:(
Eh? Didn't you just prove that there's a rational way to approach most things? I missed something in your counter-argument. I mean the guy perceives he's thinking rationally by staying with door number #1 but picking the door on the right has a better probability. No matter what he perceives. So rational thinking wins (most times out of a hundred!)
But here is a funny thought. Jesus returns to earth and makes the announcement, "I've lined up a couple of miracles to prove I'm Jesus. Afterward I shall give you a message from God."
Jesus gets on stage and performs his miracle. "Excuse me," someone from offstage calls out. "My name is James Randi. I'm prepared to give you a million dollars and all you have to do...."
Quote from: evenwolf on Sun 20/05/2007 17:50:42
But here is a funny thought. Jesus returns to earth and makes the announcement, "I've lined up a couple of miracles to prove I'm Jesus. Afterward I shall give you a message from God."
Jesus gets on stage and performs his miracle. "Excuse me," someone from offstage calls out. "My name is James Randi. I'm prepared to give you a million dollars and all you have to do...."
What's a million dollars for the Son of Man? He gets far more from his followers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEFNBqarSMQ
Quote from: evenwolf on Sun 20/05/2007 04:31:38
Quote from: arthur.com on Sat 19/05/2007 20:51:01
I'm not completley shure if its possible to jump off a roof and survive
You can jump off a roof and survive but you must meet certain conditions. The urban jumpers can jump down from amazing heights but they position their bodies as shock absorbers. So from a scientific point of view, our control model would have to take these "survivors" into account. It wouldn't be a proper control to simply drop an egg or a dummy off the same roof. If you hit the ground "legs-first" you will absorb shock even if its your knees shattering.
I meant those tall city buildings...or a church.
QuoteJesus gets on stage and performs his miracle. "Excuse me," someone from offstage calls out. "My name is James Randi. I'm prepared to give you a million dollars and all you have to do...."
I'm sure Jesus would enjoy that (and the test) and he'd roll with Randi hardcore, spending the money on whores.
Quote from: arthur.com on Tue 22/05/2007 17:34:15
Quote from: evenwolf on Sun 20/05/2007 04:31:38
Quote from: arthur.com on Sat 19/05/2007 20:51:01
I'm not completley shure if its possible to jump off a roof and survive
I meant those tall city buildings...or a church.
Arthur, I'm not so sure its even rational to
wonder about that.
Colossal, thank you!
I saw that clip at a friends house a few months ago, and i've been looking for it ever since.
Possibly the funniest thing ever!
i diddnt mage a psi ball yet but i think i moved a paper plane a little bit(i have tons of 'em)
But then again it could be a coincedence (did i spell it right?) that i was yawning at that moment :P
i remember going to a demonstration and someone tried to psi-punch me was halarious. when it didnt work he asked if my toes were crossed, so i took me shoes off, then he said it was because with my shoes off i was grounded psycicly or something, then i put on my friends sandals and he noticed i had my arms crossed behind my back, when they interviewed me after i commented that a barefoot cross toed old man could kick that guys ass with both hands tied behind his back. hehe
I moved a conical flask in chemistry class once. Actually I think it moved by itself. But I was looking at it. It wasn't even sloping! I checked. It was very weird.
i found a video in youtube where a guy moves a cola can and a toohpick thingie.
Looks realistic.
link please
I'l look for it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRde0JH9Bgs
Arthur, maybe you should take a look at the comments made on that video.
You don't really need to read the comments to figure out how he does it. The explanation is ridiculously simple and to be honest I expected something thats harder to figure out. What exactly makes you think that theres no other explanation for it but telekinesis? You don't see the guys face, and if he's indeed blowing at the toothpick and the can(which is very likely) I can understand why he doesnt want to show his face. Arthur, don't be so naive and stop living in a dream world. You're seeing magical powers where there are none just because you want them to exist. But you have to realize that this simply is not real. You are deceiving yourself. I don't want to be mean to you and I'm not saying this because I like smashing peoples dreams. I'm saying this because gullible people like you, who are impressed by cheap tricks like this one are easy targets for con men.
Actually I doubt whether it makes sense to convince you if, after all that has been said in this topic, you come back, post a cheap video and say it "looks realistic". I think I've said enough. What you do with the advice posted in this topic is up to you.
Its more than ignorance, Arthur. You were directed to james Hydrick being exposed by James Randi. Did you not bother to watch? Hydrick fooled a bunch of idiots into thinking he had supernatural powers and all he did was conceal his breath and made the claim he moved objects with his mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hydrick
The guy in this pitiful video wouldn't even need to blow on it with his own breath. He could have two friends helping, or even a pneumatic device. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from watching that video... except ignorance.
Could someone please edit the typo in the subject, it's actually starting to annoy me for some reason :/ Thanks.
The spelling is bothering you? What about the proposal of making the damn things itself? Leave it be.
It's general discussion. While I may agree with you that psi balls are a pretty silly idea, it's not a stupid thread and we can't stop people from discussing in it. :/
Anyway thanks for editing the subject.
Zor, your sig! It's a reversed contradicting metamorph phrased as an anagram! Everyone knows that.
Victor: Damn.. you did know..
i sometimes read the comėnts.,
And i watched ''james randi exposes hydrick''
The funny thing is that lots of people can pull of these tricks and do it much better, but they don't claim to be psychic or paranormal. But as soon as somebody promises what he does is absolutely "real" and actual telekinesis or telepathy or whatever, then thousands of people blindly believe them.
Even though they just saw a better trick which was explained and revealed. Strange.
i tried changing my body with meditation and i think i made my fingernail grow :P
You might think so, but you'd be wrong..
does anyone have starwars X-wing Vs. TIE fighter flight school?
i wanna play multiplayer
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