Disney blocks next Michael Moore film

MrColossal · Tue 21/09/2004 20:11:43

Quote from: Ali on Tue 21/09/2004 19:45:53
I suppose the difference is, an extreme left-wing cartoon would be more likely to feature bunnies getting along with one another than its right-wing counterpart.

* MrColossal compares Zell Miller's speech with that of Barack Obama's

Look how that fits so well!

So I guess we're done then Sutebi? I just want to know, does this bore you, do you agree we aren't getting anywhere, or could you not take it seriously for too long?

edit:
"Bush beseeched U.N. members to help rebuild Iraq, saying, "The U.N. and its member nations must respond to Prime Minister Allawi's request and do more to help build an Iraq that is secure, democratic, federal and free." "

HAHAH!! Oh.. That Bush! What a cut up! So what's he doing now? Just being polite again? Cause we totally don't need help rebuilding Iraq?

oh yes also this gem!:

"These people are trying to shake the will of the Iraqi citizens, and they want us to leave. That's what they want us to do. And I think the world would be better off if we did leave -- if we didn't -- if we left, the world would be worse. The world is better off with us not leaving."

I believe if he had posted that on the internet we could easily call him a "f00!!"

Anarcho · Thu 23/09/2004 20:24:24

Wow, what a thread.Ã,Â I came late to the table, but let me belatedly share some thoughts:

Sutebi, have you ever actually met someone from France?Ã,Â I have.Ã,Â Several times.Ã,Â I can't say they were "snooty".Ã,Â In fact, they were rather pleasant.Ã,Â Perhaps you're just watching too much Sean Hannity.Ã,Â Or is it Bill O'Reilly?Ã,Â

And so what if they disagreed with our unilateral decision to launch a war in a sovereign country.Ã,Â Good for them!Ã,Â But what really pisses me off is all that wine dumped into the streets as a protest against france.Ã,Â What a waste of good wine!

Regarding other topics discussed in this thread:

America is certainly host to a great deal of propaganda, more so than, say...Germany, which is the only other country I've lived in for any long period of time (but Germany is a special case, where patriotism/nationalism isn't exactly embraced.)Ã,Â Ã,Â Take a look at Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" and then think back to everything you were taught in school.Ã,Â Ã,Â It makes you feel sick to think of all those times you actually celebrated a guy like Columbus...

In terms of patriotism, there's no question that America is rife with it, but so was Europe, prior to all of it's...unpleasantness.Ã,Â

As for WWII, Russia certainly took the most casualties...9 MILLION people killed!Ã,Â The US lost 300,000. Canada lost 42,000.Ã,Â The UK lost 400,000.Ã,Â Perhaps it's a bit gauche to rank things this way.Ã,Â But regardless, it's damn near impossible to determine what would have happened if certain events or historical incidents never occured.Ã,Â I think it's safe to say that Britain would have eventually fallen if the US hadn't supplied them with aid, and then actual troops (that is, if Germany would have actually conducted a land invasion of Britian, which in itself is questionable). They are an island, after all.Ã,Â As for the rest of the war, could the USSR have defeated the Nazi's on their own?Ã,Â Who the fuck knows.Ã,Â

side note: Zell Miller is insane!Ã,Â He (essentially) challenged Chris Matthews to a duel!Ã,Â On TV!Ã,Â He wanted to shoot a gun at Chris Matthews!Ã,Â That's awesome!Ã,Â

-Logan

TerranRich · Sat 16/10/2004 17:43:31

Sorry to drag out this old thread, and I don't know if this link was mentioned anywhere on this thread or on any other (I tried to read this thread thoroughly but skimmed through most of it), but after watching Fahrenheit 9/11 again today on DVD, and some of the special features, I came across this site:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

Now, I know what you're going to say. "But it's on Michael Moore's own site, how unbiased can it possibly be?" Well, he cites sources, including newspaper articles, actual interviews, and official White House and other government documents. ANd yes, I know he doesn't mention anything about Kerry, but honestly I don't think he needs to.

Moore's argument is that Bush's incompetence as a leader alone should be reason enough to not re-elect him. Even Marines in Iraq have come to disagree with Bush and not want him re-elected. And I still get arguments that one shouldn't make decisions based on "biased" evidence.

Anybody agree? Disagree? If this has been brought up before (the URL), then I apologize.

shbaz · Sat 16/10/2004 21:45:03

Mike is also upset that his documentary may not be aired as promised.

TerranRich · Sun 17/10/2004 03:00:52

I've also just heard about a counter-movie, "Fahren-Hype 9/11". Apparently, from what I've heard, Dick Morris only proves that Moore had possible ulterior motives behind making F9/11 and he claims that some of the content of F9/11 wasn't true. Funny, then did Moore also "make up" his sources and quotes from them?

MrColossal · Sun 17/10/2004 06:40:04

terran: ya know that lady who lost her son in F911?

Muppet... Moore made it just to get the sympathy card dealt...

If you don't believe me then just shut up!

poop743 · Sun 17/10/2004 21:04:41

Moore is a propagandist hippy

Mr Flibble · Sun 17/10/2004 21:07:47

You can't possibly believe that DG (or whoever you are)

Rui 'Trovatore' Pires · Sun 17/10/2004 22:07:43

Poop, go away. Please. We're tired of you. One-sentence threads do NOT contribute to any worthwile discussion, and so far your posts have reflected NO personal opinions, only reflections of what your education WANTS you to believe. The entire Moore phenomena is supposed to bring out the entire "open your eyes, people, and see the big picture" attitude in everyone. Also, he never says that the picture is WRONG - and I believe THAT would be "propagandist hippy" attitude, bith and moan. Moore doesn't tell us this, Moore tells us that there's simply more going on that we have to be aware of. As far as I've seen, he's a true patriot, who dares question his leaders' actions when they need being questioned. And that's what makes a true democracy. The censorship he put up with in the article QuantumRich brought up shows, to a degree, what everybody already knows - democracy, in the current government, is a myth. But it still exists within people.

That's his message, as far as I can see. Grow up or shut up, poop. You can't even be expected to see beyond the picture, because you're still discovering what the bloody picture is.

EDIT - Ok, so I was needlessly offensive. I apologize for being offensive, but not for the main point - poop, you can't make such statements, because you don't really know what you're saying. And you're not expected to know what you're saying. Hell, even last year I was convinced I'd finally learned how the world works, and now I'm at a loss again.

Andail · Sun 17/10/2004 22:36:35

Hm, I thought we agreed on not restarting every debate just because Poop decides to leave one of his infamous one-liners.

I also thought we agreed on flushing down Poop one time for all.

Rui 'Trovatore' Pires · Sun 17/10/2004 22:41:20

Damn, I'm sorry. I just couldn't help myself. Golden rule "THINK BEFORE YOU POST", why have you deserted me...

TerranRich · Mon 18/10/2004 02:05:46

MrColossal: That's an interesting claim, and I'm wiling to listen. How do you know this? Was it in Fahren-Hype 9/11? Did that Dick guy give any proof?

Because, I have NEVER seen any person act that well. I mean, even at the premiere, she was choked up. If that was acting, then she deserves an Oscar and a leading role in a top Hollywood film, and NOW.

MrColossal · Mon 18/10/2004 02:13:24

If you look at the movie frame by frame when they're showing her you can see the wire leading from her hand to the puppeteer's. It moves very quick so you'll have to look closely. It also explains why her mouth was a complete straight line that looked cut into her head and opened on a 90 degree hinge.

They also got Frank Oz to do her voice and Jim Henson's son to be the puppeteer... That liberal jew hippy terrorist Michael Moore spared no expense to make us believe that a mother of a military man would be upset at the administration for letting her kid get killed...

But more seriously... I'm really worried about this election and I'm worried about this Sinclair broadcasting shite with the Stolen Honour shite, shite... shite

TerranRich · Mon 18/10/2004 02:19:21

Damn! Those liberal hippies and their puppeteering! I was duped!

And yes, I too am worried about the "regular folk"'s reaction to the crap that Sinclaire feels they have to air. "Duh...wow, general who don't even know Kerry are bashing him! He's evil! Bush all the way!"

SSH · Mon 18/10/2004 13:57:14

Quote from: poop743 on Sun 17/10/2004 21:04:41
Moore is a propagandist hippy

Quote from: Mr Flibble on Sun 17/10/2004 21:07:47
You can't possibly believe that DG (or whoever you are)

but Moore is a propagandist hippy, he just happens to be a correct propagandist hippy

Mr Flibble · Tue 19/10/2004 23:42:17

Was Gunning for Columbine propaganda then?
Propagandists tend to be associated with the negative, and (in this day and age) hippies doubly so.

Isn't a correct propagandist hippie a contradiction in terms? I always thought propaganda was things that tried to alter people's perception of things. If the person is actually right, doesn't that make them a visionary or something? (Cue some guy posting a link to dictionary.com's meaning of "propaganda", thinking that they are all clever by doing so).

Whoever said he was a patriot is right. He has the balls to look at things objectively. He doesn't hate america.

(In a related matter, isn't it funny how future shares in America's plane travel companies hit rock bottom one day before 9/11.
Almost as if someone knew...)