Hey hey,
It has just come to my attention that some of my dirtier language around here has upset a few people. For that, I apologize - it's how I express myself at times, and no one had ever taken the time to PM me and talk about it, until a MOD did. Now, I'm gonna quote something here.
Quote9. If you have a problem with someone, send them an instant message and tell them to stop whatever it is that's causing your lack-of-sleep. If the problem persists, see a moderator or Chris Jones.
That's from the forum rules. Please, if something I do offends you - PM me first, don't go running to a Moderator. I don't like it when I feel I cannot confront and talk to somone who takes offence. I'll be reasonable, but I'd like the opportunity to speak for myself.
Bt
What dirty language? ^_^ I love dirty language.
/me pms Kinoto dirty languages.
Ok, I had written a fairly lengthy post describing something similar that had once happened to me. Since I then foolishly deleted it, I thought "to heck with it, I'll just post the link".
http://www.vintage-sierra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=366
Kinda overreacting, methinks, and I still think PMs wouls have been better. Nevertheless, the issue got resolved quickly, and I even got commended on how I handled it. My sorta point here is the kind of overreacting - ok, someone PMd a MOD and that MOD PMd Bt. In my case, someone started that poll. Come on, who could possibly vote "yes", apart from all you AGSer loonies that prowl in these boards?
Quote1. Is your post interesting, helpful or funny? If not, don't post it.
...er, what about "sorta relevant"?
Seriously, what's everyone talking about? @_@ I have no idea... I wanna know! What was so bad?
I seriously have no problem with "dirty language" myself. I feel stupid calling it that. That's just me though, I don't even like parents stopping their children from hearing "bad words". Seems pointless to me.
Rui, I read that thread you posted. I can't see why you would've continued posting in such a community. Call me stupid, but I felt like pointing a bazooka at a few of those posters (namely one omnipotent sovereign) even though I had nothing to do with it at all. Kudos for your patience.
You mean people dont like swearing? When the fuck did this happen? I never knew this shit. It's all a load of crap. FUCK!
I probably broke a few forum rules there....
Yep. :)
This goes hand-in-hand with the minimum age being 16.
If you can't deal with a little bit of language, just ignore it, this is pretty much an adult forum.
I really don't see why this should be such a problem.
I myself see no problem with the random fuck every now and again, although it is common courtesy to star it out.
Yeah, I toss out an occasional F-Bomb, and I understand that we like to keep it "all-ages" around here, but in the general forum here, I find in the discussions it's mostly us young adults here talking. I didn't think I was going overboard; I was informed (and rather politely at that by a mod) that there had been some complaints.
It's not a big deal, per se, and I'm not angry. I just wish that if someone had a complaint, they could come to me first. Or in a similar situation, deal with the person directly.
Oh, and can I say that I love the people on this board!!!
Bt
Dirty language. What a concept!
In the words of my favourite devorian: "By the Cold!...The things they swear by! Sex, excrement and religion."
When did these things become bad words? You can't even use words that are specifically meant to be derogatory, because then you will sound childish. Idiot! Fool....no wait, even that isn't originally what it means now.
I swear, the day that "gay" becomes a bad word ("Don't say that, it is derogatory towards homosexuals!"), I'll go out in the street and start singing the deer and the antelope song.
BTW, redruM, just asking, don't take this the wrong way, I'm just curious, but what exactly is adorable about "I think your the fucking antichrist"? Is it the close proximity of a curse word next to a potentially religious word (no idea about this....I don't know about the hidden connotations others may have about "antichrist")?
I have no problem with cussing. I don't generally curse, but everything has it's place. It gets silly when it is taken to extremes, though. Like those weird action movies. There is a "fuck" or "shit" in every other line. It goes beyond trying to show the characters as angry.
Zor, if you have no problem with random fucks, you really should get your jock tested for VD, etc...
Random sex is bad kids, okay?
Just say no.
Babar - it's simply one point in the film Donnie Darko. I happen to adore that point, because I love his attitude then. I wouldn't do it, certainly not like that, but I'd have taken a similar attitude - on the passive side. Ok, so it hardly compares, but what the heck, I'm not talking to bunny rabbits...
I love the quote too, Rui.
As I understand it the complaint in your particular case was about your casual use of the f-word.
Now personally I don't see anything wrong with this - it's a reflection of modern society, it's something people say in everyday life, and quite frankly it greatens the impact of what you're saying.
So long as it's only used where appropriate, and not just randomly in every sentence, I don't see what the problem is. This forum is rated 16, and there are plenty of 15-rated films that have significant bad language in them.
Just as long as people don't start spouting the really offensive end of the spectrum (ie. the c-word) I don't have a problem with it.
* cue the hilarious follow up post where someone swears in every word
Why b-BLEEEP-y thanks for your f-BLEEEP-g opinion, you m-BLEEEP-r you, so f-BLEEEP-g big of you to f-BLEEEP-g share your f-BLEEEP-r of a f-BLEEEP-r of an opinion...
<stares at all the disapproving glances>
He f-BLEEEP-g asked for it!
The c-word is more vulgar then the f-word? Hmmp.
hmmm..... c-word, c-word....which c-word?
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...what? I'm not comfortable with saying that one.
EDIT - After some chatting in #AGS, it was concluded the word was probably "clock". You figure out which letter goes.
Quote from: Evil on Thu 02/06/2005 21:50:28
The c-word is more vulgar then the f-word? Hmmp.
Quote from: Rui "Brisby" Pires on Thu 02/06/2005 21:53:31
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The C-word is generally considered to be the most offensive word in the English language...
Quote from: Al_Ninio on Thu 02/06/2005 22:09:10
The C-word is generally considered to be the most offensive word in the English language...
Pfft, maybe for
English people, in America we say that to our mothers over breakfast.
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Quote from: Evil on Thu 02/06/2005 21:50:28
The c-word is more vulgar then the f-word? Hmmp.
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The C-word is generally considered to be the most offensive word in the English language...
I like that it's a word for gentalia that's the most offensive word ever. I personally think racial slurs are a million times worse than any "cuss" word anyone could say. Just be thankful our forum is free of that kind of attitude.
I always find it interesting that so many women get offended by the c*nt word, when so many feminists get offended that a word for OUR genitalia is considered the most horrendous word in our language.
I personally think differently, and I use the word when I damn well feel like it. I mean, SOMEONE'S genitalia has to be the really bad word, so why not women? (Okay, seriously, if I think about it back in the old days, when it WAS offensive for that very reason, I do think that's really bloody rich, but these days it's evolved... it really is only offensive because of the word itself, not it's meaning).
Honestly, I think in a few years it's gonna go the same way f*ck did. People will just get over it. It's NOT offensive in nature, it's only offensive because you were brought up to believe it is. Same as all swearwords.
I see, my casual dropping of the f-bomb. Got it. I've been very good lately.
Whoever complained still hasn't had the courage to come forward and PM me personally about it.
Bt
Here's another big complaint I have about making people afraid to swear. "F-bomb" is like nails on a chalkboard for me. It's got to be the stupidest word ever created. No offense to you, Blackthorn... I'm just saying that I can't stand it :P I prefer f*ck or even "the F-word" any day of the week.
Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 03/06/2005 03:23:09
Here's another big complaint I have about making people afraid to swear. "F-bomb" is like nails on a chalkboard for me. It's got to be the stupidest word ever created. No offense to you, Blackthorn... I'm just saying that I can't stand it :P I prefer f*ck or even "the F-word" any day of the week.
Oh, me too.Ã, In fact, I find most euphemism for curse words to be abhorrent.Ã, But, however, as my casual usage of the slang word "to copulate" is offending someones sensibilities, I'm not using it currently.
It appears that the offending use of the word occured in the "games in production" section, as I see - I try to keep my swearing to this forum, but a certain thread in there was full of vultures, unfairly swooping in on someone. I got angry; I used some angry words. It happens.
Bt
I myself don't get f*ck. why not say it straight out? I think everyone knows what word is replaced by that star.
Quote from: Haddas on Fri 03/06/2005 13:15:20
why not say it straight out?
Hehehe...then why didn't you? What is this strange behaviour, hiding behind *s, and counts and clocks?
YOU ALL PHEAAR! Admit it! You are scared! Bwahahahahhahahahah
:= I love inciting people
This discussion seems to come up a couple times a year and, usually, the conclusion is the same: Try to avoid adult language in a forum that's frequented by younger people and sometimes seen over the should of adults by children. If it happens out of habit or as vigorous emphasism for something then so be it. At least, that was my understanding. I personally, see no harm in it when there's actual content around it. If swear words aren't used as the most meaningful words in a sentence, then at least it retains some merit.
And, I'd much rather see 'offensive' text on a page than questionable pictures - it's less embarassing and a bit more safe-for-work.
Seems like the whole concept of adult language is very anglo-saxon.
I know children who live in Marseilles (France) for instance, who have absolutely no qualms about using such words as “connardâ€, “con†(and it sounds like “kongâ€, with the accent).
No such censoring exists in Parisians, I believe. The few times I've spent time in Spain, I did not notice anybody being careful. In Barcelona, “hijo de puta†(was it?) were flying out the windows ...
I believe it's very much a cultural thing, hence some people being head-on against “itâ€, and other not able to care less.
On the other hand, I recently read about how difficult it was to put up Shakespeare's 'Othello' in Paris (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2102-1486750,00.html), even well into the twentieth century, because the words "handkerchief" and "strawberry" are used in the play, and both were considered too indecent to utter. ::)
Having identified the "fuck" in question, I think it was completely appropriate. Bt's post was a well-deserved kick in the arse to a bunch of whining nay-sayers.
Quote from: YakSpit on Fri 03/06/2005 13:51:37
This discussion seems to come up a couple times a year and, usually, the conclusion is the same: Try to avoid adult language in a forum that's frequented by younger people.
Yeah, it does come up a couple times a year, and I'm not advocating a free for all filth fest around here - what I'd like is that if someone has a problem with it, they talk to the person directly, before running off like a little prat to a mod. Ã, Sometimes I don't think people have the scrot to speak to someone if they have a problem. Ã, Clearly stated in the forum rules, it says to PM someone first before running to a MOD. Ã, I think that's fair.
(Also, I'm not saying the mods here are in anyway Nazi-ish, to use a popular description; the mods here are very good, and fair and I was contacted rather pleasently by them. Ã, I just have a problem with the class snitch running to the teacher without talking to the offender first. Ã, If you had PM'd me and I told you to swallow my salty sailors, THEN maybe a mod should be involved.)
Quote from: SnarkyHaving identified the "fuck" in question, I think it was completely appropriate. Bt's post was a well-deserved kick in the arse to a bunch of whining nay-sayers.
Thanks - I just felt like a pack of wolves had descended upon the poor kid who was embarking quite finely on a project.
Bt