Democratic Socialism

[shitar]

I' ve studied Marx... In an universitary degree... ok?

At an... American school? How did I guess.

[SSH]

I would guess it was more likely a Spanish school, since that where Nacho lives...

A problem with state control of things is that the state screws things up. Look at any UK government IT project and you'll see what a hash is made of it. And building projects, and many other things. Competition and private enterprise are good for general efficiency.

The problem with pure unregulated capitalism is that the rich can exploit the poor, so there needs to be some redistribution of wealth.

The centre of politics is the place where things realyy work in the long term, and thank goodness that British politics now has 3 parties with nearly indistinguishable policies.

[InCreator]

t's not down to though as to wether socialism can survive in the current political spectrum, it is down to humans, who are individual. The more savvy you are, the greater goals you achieve, and the more successful you become

SO wrong.

Individualism leads nowhere and thinking in global scale (thus realising global effects of every individual action) is a standard for educated human being.

If we'd all live only for ourselves, we wouldn't have schools, public transportation, army, research, hospitals... everbody would handle his own problems by himself (cure cancer, bake bread, invent bicycle--).

But then human beings never survived so far. We'd be eaten by prehistoric animals. Only cooperation and collaboration led people ever anywhere.

[Layabout]

Some points worthwhile, others are not. Individualism allow the creative mind to flow. Some goals would never be achieved if individualism didn't exist. If their were no personal gain for the inventive chap who is full of bright ideas, what motivation would one have? To help humanity? Sure, there are people who dedicate their lives to helping humanity, learning everything they can about something, involve themselves in research, but still, there is always and alteria motive, being a big fat wad of cash. Think of all those researchers, trying to find a cure for cancer. True, it is a horrible condition. It kills. Almost everyone knows of someone who has been effected by this illness. But for the intelligent scientists who actually learn how to cure this, there is the biggest reward of all. Immortality, in the sense that they will be known through all of history, for their achievement, and a big fat wad of cash.

Everything is worth something.

And I didn't say we should only live for ourselves. Nothing would work if we only lived for ourselves. Why make something or do something, if people won't have a need for it. No, need is the wrong word. Want would be better. People want things. If you make something that people want, and earn a big wad of cash in the process, you are not only helping yeurself, but others as well. Even if they didn't know they wanted it before it was invented, they will when it comes out.

Like I said, we are a competative species. If we weren't, war wouldn't exist. Research wouldn't exist. We would be living in caves barely surviving, if that. We need goals, personal, team, and country. But we still want to keep up with the Jones' or even be the Jones'. Society is based on a structure, with the toffs at the top, the plebs at the bottom, and the guys in the middle trying to make as much cash as possible.

I agree with SSH, as he is older, and makes some good points. And re-read my post InCreator, as I mentioned nothing about being focused only one ourselves.

[shitar]

Some points worthwhile, others are not. Individualism allow the creative mind to flow. Some goals would never be achieved if individualism didn't exist. If their were no personal gain for the inventive chap who is full of bright ideas, what motivation would one have? To help humanity? Sure, there are people who dedicate their lives to helping humanity, learning everything they can about something, involve themselves in research, but still, there is always and alteria motive, being a big fat wad of cash. Think of all those researchers, trying to find a cure for cancer. True, it is a horrible condition. It kills. Almost everyone knows of someone who has been effected by this illness. But for the intelligent scientists who actually learn how to cure this, there is the biggest reward of all. Immortality, in the sense that they will be known through all of history, for their achievement, and a big fat wad of cash.

Everything is worth something.

And I didn't say we should only live for ourselves. Nothing would work if we only lived for ourselves. Why make something or do something, if people won't have a need for it. No, need is the wrong word. Want would be better. People want things. If you make something that people want, and earn a big wad of cash in the process, you are not only helping yeurself, but others as well. Even if they didn't know they wanted it before it was invented, they will when it comes out.

Like I said, we are a competative species. If we weren't, war wouldn't exist. Research wouldn't exist. We would be living in caves barely surviving, if that. We need goals, personal, team, and country. But we still want to keep up with the Jones' or even be the Jones'. Society is based on a structure, with the toffs at the top, the plebs at the bottom, and the guys in the middle trying to make as much cash as possible.

I agree with SSH, as he is older, and makes some good points. And re-read my post InCreator, as I mentioned nothing about being focused only one ourselves.

/philosophical

Worth dosent exist. Humans created "worth" concept.