"Superman"
Teen Hollywood reports that Jake Gyllenhaal is reportedly the hot favorite to take over the role of Superman on the big screen. Hollywood insiders claim Ashton Kutcher and Brendan Fraser were both considered to take to the skies as Clark Kent's alter-ego but now the actor, who almost landed the role of Spider-Man opposite his girlfriend Kirsten Dunst, is set to take the role. Meanwhile, Beyonce Knowles and Keira Knightley are being considered as the new Lois Lane in Charlie's Angels director McG's new Superman film.[/i]
For the love of god, what the hell could they be thinking? Donnie Darko as Superman?! Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane?! Who here thinks that these two would be the most spastic casting rumours of the last few years?
Jake Gyllenhaal, I'll give it to him that he is a good actor, but he is not a Superman... he hasn't got the build, he's not big enough, and hell, he's too creepy and looks like he is always stoned... yeah, great person to play good old Supes!
And then Beyonce Knowles?! God, who the hell came up with that? If I'm not mistaken, the last time I checked one of the Superman comics... LOIS LANE WAS FUCKING WHITE!!! She isn't a crappy R'n'B artist who can't act for shit... didn't they learn their lesson from the god awful Austin Powers: Goldmember? :-\
Turning Supes into an anorexic midget and Lois Lane into a black person would have to be some of the worst casting decision that could ever be made in the history of film, no... in the history of... no, wait, yeah... film! :P
does it matter?
and if the lois lane character in a comic is white doesn't mean that the lois character in the movie has to be white.
the same with the new catwoman movie.
eh, so what? is superman all that important of a comic/series of movies that it's "purity" has to be retained?
Seriously, this stuff is important whether you're a fan of Superman or not. I'm not, I was never a comic person at all but for the love of kittens and puppies, I'd want to murder someone if all these rumours were true. When you buy the rights of someone else's story (particularly one as huge and influencial as Superman!) you owe it to the the universe to make it as faithful as possible a movie. You can go fucking around with Cinderella and stories like that, because they're old enough and open to interpretation. The Superman (and Spiderman and all those other comic book hero stories for that matter) story is not. It's a story everyone knows to a point and they've already possibly screwed up those important points.
Superman is a big, muscley looking alien, and Lois is a dullish white woman. (They've already screwed the story up enough with that god-awful Smallville garbage).
I hope this is just internet crap as usual. I wouldn't even want to see another bloody Superman movie... just leave things be. Hollywood is being so freaking SAFE lately. I'm so sick of sequels and prequels and retold stories. Hire some freaking original writers for a change!
Owe it to which universe?
Superman was flawed from the beginning, it's almost impossible to make a change that isn't an improvement.
McG's directing, right there you know it's crap. Regardless of who's playing who.
Also, you quoted me Las.. nice.
But he quoted you saying that you're a moron... :P
Since when do people guote falcities.... Oh, wait.. I take that back.
Back when they first started talking about a new Superman flick (3-4 years ago?) there were some rumors of Nic Cage as Superman. That's something I would like to see!
There's supposedly a curse on the role as Superman... Everyone who have played him ends up dead or worse. (Christopher Reeves ended up a bionic dolphin hugger... :-\ )
Maybe we should give it to somebody who we don't care too much about.
BTW: The fact that they are still letting McG direct movies is a total mystery to me... ???
You know, what IS it with this trend for Hollywood to replace white characters with African Americans (and other reces)? I mean, yeah, racial equality and all that, but seriously, it ruins it. Lois Lane was always white, was WRITTEN and DRAWN in to be white. Why make her not-white?
Well, why was Kingpin made black in Daredevil?
I don't know, Daredevil had Ben Affleck in it, so I didn't watch it.
Quote from: Robert Eric on Mon 31/05/2004 02:11:35
Well, why was Kingpin made black in Daredevil?
Cause no one is the size of Kingpin, where that body weight is made of mostly muscle... not fat. The only person who could have played him WAS that guy... whats his name... the murderer dude from Green Mile... Duncan Clarke or something. :-\
But seriously, making Lois Lane black is a friggin stupid idea...
I also remember a few years ago, I had heard about Nicolas Cage playing Supes.
I'm not a big superman fan, and I never was. But this movie that you're talking about now, is an abomination.
She's hot and she's got a really nice singing voice, but Beyonce as Lois Lane? ...The hell?
I know McG's name also, but I don't think I've seen any of his films... on the other hand, he sounds like he directs pornos, judging by the sound of his name, so maybe I have... *blush*
And lastly, Jake Gyllenhaal? What is with all these nerdy joes taking the roles of superheroes in movies lately? Toby Maguire made me laugh when I heard they were casting him as Peter Parker/Spider Man, but that actually turned out pretty good (as Peter Parker was kind of a nerd, and Maguire's acting was decent). ...but come on, Jake Gyllenhall as Supes? I'd rather see Dean Cain put on the cape again.
Anyway, that's all I have to say.
I don't care whether Lois is black or white. As long as the actor does a decent job, I'm happy.
And Beyonce hasn't got much of a film record to base an accurate judgement.
However, don't base the awfulness of this film on the director, McG, because a director can only do as good a job as the quality of the material he's given. For example, Martin Scorsese has made shitty movies based on shitty scripts.
So, look at the screenwriter: Jeffrey Abrams.
He's a writer for the TV show Alias. He was even nominated for an Emmy.
However, he's also the writer of several crap movies, like Armageddon and Gone Fishin'. He was even nominated for a Razzie for the former.
BUT (and this is a big BUT) he did write the totally awesome Taking Care of Business with James Belushi and Charles Grodin:
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After calculating the previous variables, the DGComputer (like the BatComputer, only with more cake) has determined the fate of the Superman project is.......
UNCERTAIN!
I can understand some reasons behind doing it (making Lois a black chick):
It might bring in more black folk to watch the movie instead of a bunch of 30 year old white super-nerds.Ã, The bigger your audience, the more money you make.Ã, And we all know that's all hollywood cares about.
Or they think they're being clever and unique by altering the story a little.Ã, Like soooo many movies have done in the past which just goes to prove that originality is damn near dead.
I could really care less about who plays super man because I probably wouldn't go see the movie anyway.Ã, So basically I could care less if Bay-Once played Lois ... I just don't see the reason to make it a black person.
I think it's just the current (pathetic) trend to be politically correct.Ã, Oooh ... we're not racist, we made Lois Lane black!!
Woopity-Fu&*ing-Doo.
I'm going to make another sequel to Shaft and the lead role will be played by Jim Carrey.
Aren't I clever??
Can't be much worse than the Samuel L. Jackson movie.
I'd like to see a blaxplotation version of Superman called Superfly.
what in the holy hell are you all talking about?!
I am so confused where you people are pulling this whole "gotta be politically correct" bullshit out of.
Where in that quote does it say that "In order to be politically correct Lois Lane will be played by a black actress."
Did everyone skip over the fact they a white woman is being considered for the role also?
Jesus you people are crazy.
And Darth where are you getting this trend idea from? What movies have you seen recently that were based off of an older story where they changed the character's for the express purposes of being politically correct?
Spiderman? X Men? The Hulk? Great Expectations? Macbeth? Lord of the Rings?
Ultimo, I doubt it and I bet you 56 million dollars, no fooling, that the only reason Michael Clarke Duncan was chosen isn't cause "Well, he's big like Kingpin....." Do you know how many actors there are in the world? Do you know how many white people there are that could have filled that roll?
Kinoko: "Seriously, this stuff is important whether you're a fan of Superman or not."
But this isn't important! On the list of Important Things In The World "Who plays Lois Lane" I think is number... Hmm carry the two... 54 Trillion 8 Million 9 hundred and 7. It just beat out "Who plays Superman."
Good lord you people, as I said before, are crazy!
QuoteGood lord you people, as I said before, are crazy!
No, YOU'RE the crazy person, you crazy person, you!
(http://www.sylpher.com/kafka/junk/froeric.jpg)
See! Look at how insane you are!
In any case, I agree. For example, I don't think then picked MCD because he was black. I think they picked him because he's a FUCKING HUGE GUY!
See! Look how DAMN HUGE the guy is! He can even cary smaller people on his back:
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/mission_impossible_2/_group_photos/michael_clarke_duncan13.jpg)
And if Andre the Giant taught us anything, it's giant people gain respect cause they can not only carry smaller people on their back but can squash the LIVING SHIT OUT OF YOU!
And Jim Carrey as Shaft would be great! "Alllllllrighty then, motherfuckers!"
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 31/05/2004 03:32:11And Darth where are you getting this trend idea from? What movies have you seen recently that were based off of an older story where they changed the character's for the express purposes of being politically correct?
I hated that in Jurassic Park II they made Dr. Malcom's daughter black (she wasn't in the book, her friend was).
Or on the new Battlestar Galactica they made Starbuck a women because women in the original weren't the warriors.
Shit like that pisses me off.Ã, Not because of skin color or sex, but because doing it to be PC is dumb.Ã, But hey, that's just my opinion.
They're so concerned about offending people that they make changes that offend some people.Ã, And the people who get offended are the true fans, who
should be the people they're making the movie for!
Maybe they should let Bay-Once play superman ... I think, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that Shuster and Siegle were black women weren't they?
;)
I don't have a probem with a black lois. I just have a problem with a Beyonce lois. I didn't really like her in Austin Powers, and I doubt I'll like her any more when she tries to pull off the 'independant yet quietly love-seeking' lois, with all the sly wit of a mushroom.
I don't think she'd have anything to do with political correctness or whatnot, I think it's just trying to get Beyonce fans (For some reason there are a lot of them) to come and watch a crap movie with a semi-attractive black woman with big ears sauntering her bootyliscious arse around Daily Planet.
As you may have guessed, I hope the white girl gets the part...
It might not be because of PC stuff, though, Darth. I mean, you'd have to have ESP to read the mind of Hollywood producers.
Perhaps, they are casting Beyonce to be a little diffferent and attract attention so people will go see the movie.
I remember they did that in GoldenEye where they cast Judi Dench as 'M' (in the past was a male role).
I think they do that to be a little different. I mean, people would get bored with the same old interpretation of Superman.
It's like what Delroy Lindo said in Get Shorty: "Where's it say in the script that the man has to be white? Color's what the part needs, man!"
As long as people are complaining you might as well hear about and them promptly get over the fact that Mos Def is going to be playing Ford Prefect in the Hitchhiker's Guide movie...
A black actor in a white roll AND he raps!! Run for the hills!
I don't mind that change, as Douglas Adams had never said that anyone is black, white or purple, unlike what has been established in the Superman universe where Lois is white...
Now, if Adams was alive, as long as the actor is good in Ford Prefects role, then I think he'd approve... and Mos Def is a good actor...
Beyonce Knowles is not... :-\
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 31/05/2004 03:32:11
Kinoko: "Seriously, this stuff is important whether you're a fan of Superman or not."
But this isn't important! On the list of Important Things In The World "Who plays Lois Lane" I think is number... Hmm carry the two... 54 Trillion 8 Million 9 hundred and 7. It just beat out "Who plays Superman."
Ok then, by that reasoning, why are we even here on some little internet forum making little computer games that will never sell? Why the hell aren't we standing out of the street telling people to stop driving their cars so much, or over saving (the cliched) starving children, or planting trees? Because these are the little bits of life that we indulge in when we don't want to think about what's ultra important. In a normal kind of important way, this is important because it's about crap. Yes, crap.
When too much crap gets released in the world, it gets tolerated, and standards get lowered, and those of us who appreciate things being done well lose out, and then people forget what good is and they start giving awards to "average" films/books/etc, and then we find ourselves with the modern day Lucasarts.
It pisses me off everytime another badly done movie based on a comic or a book comes out because people have it in their power to do it well, but they screw it up on purpose to get a particular actor/singer's fanbase to see the movie, or to be "wacky" and "zany" and "change it up a bit", or to make it a "kiddy" movie, or any one of about a million other retarded reasons.
Spiderman didn't turn out to be an awful movie, but there were little stupid, STUPID things they changed that didn't have to be chaged at all. That's quite possibly the most annoying thing. When someone obviously knows what they're doing and how something should be done, but they then change one little basic fact for no good reason.
Um... kinoko... I understood you up to this point:
QuoteIn a normal kind of important way, this is important because it's about crap.
After that I couldn't make head nor tail of what your point was.
I agree that we do indulge in things (like Ags, as you suggested), but no one would ARGUE that it is insignificant. Your post seemed to suggest that Superman IS important, when, really, it's not. I think what (whoever you quoted) was getting at was: it's insignificant so get over it, so don't worry about trying to defend/rebut it.
I'm not saying you aren't entitled to an opinion, but to say it's "important" what colour of skin the character is - that's a bit unfair.
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Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 31/05/2004 05:21:38When too much crap gets released in the world, it gets tolerated, and standards get lowered, and those of us who appreciate things being done well lose out, and then people forget what good is and they start giving awards to "average" films/books/etc, and then we find ourselves with the modern day Lucasarts.
I'm going to second that.
Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 31/05/2004 05:21:38Spiderman didn't turn out to be an awful movie, but there were little stupid, STUPID things they changed that didn't have to be chaged at all. That's quite possibly the most annoying thing. When someone obviously knows what they're doing and how something should be done, but they then change one little basic fact for no good reason.
Yeah, for instance:Ã, Any Spidey fan knows that Spider man was never able to shoot webs from his wrist, he had to devise a little contraption to shoot the webs for him.Ã, So what's with that funny little mark below his palm in the movie?Ã, AND!Ã, Any Spider-man fan also knows that Peter's first love interest WAS NOT Mary Jane Watson... It was some blonde girl, I can't recall her name... but she ended up being killed by the Green Goblin (if I remember correctly, it was in that scene with the cable car).Ã, Mary Jane didn't come until some years later.
See, I don't have a problem with the fact that Beyonce is black, it's not about racism issues... it's just that, I know Lois Lane to be WHITE.Ã, I don't know, maybe I'm just one of those people who doesn't like change.Ã, I know the saying goes, "change is good", but still...
Aside from that, I'm going to agree that Beyonce was really crappy in Goldmember (Actually, I think that movie in itself was crap).Ã, She should stick to music, IMO.
QuoteShe should stick to music, IMO
As far as I'm concerned, she should stay far away from that, as well. Although she'd do well in the porn industry.
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Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Mon 31/05/2004 05:39:37
Yeah, for instance:Ã, Any Spidey fan knows that Spider man was never able to shoot webs from his wrist, he had to devise a little contraption to shoot the webs for him.Ã, So what's with that funny little mark below his palm in the movie?Ã, AND!Ã, Any Spider-man fan also knows that Peter's first love interest WAS NOT Mary Jane Watson... It was some blonde girl, I can't recall her name... but she ended up being killed by the Green Goblin.Ã, Mary Jane didn't come until some years later.
Can you see that when you're dealing with a comic that doesn't have to stick to a certain length and a movie that must it would make sense to condense characters? Can you see that a highschool kid devising some awkward "spiderweb" solution at home on his own is actually pretty stupid? This is the spiderman movie, that is the spiderman comic. They aren't the same thing and when dealing with the different mediums you have to change things. The Green Goblin died also... That doesn't upset you? Why did he die? Because the movie [unlike the comic] had to end. And I really wish they'd end the comic too.
They won't if they bring out another one of those damn Spiderclones!
She'd probably suck at porn as well... :P
Sully, I think you mean Gwen Stacey when it comes to Spidermans first love interest. And the web shooters were changed to be caused by being bitten by the spider when James Cameron was on board and he wrote the script (its the only thing that survived all the adaptions). Cameron figured that a kid not even out of High School would probably not be able to create a super adhesive that was so strong that it could withstand everything that Spidey did, when the worlds top scientists couldn't... and also, he thought that no High School kid would be able to create a device to shoot that same adhesive...
If I remember correctly, Spider man did kill the Goblin in the comic book... hmm... maybe I'm wrong...
But yeah, I guess I can see where you're coming from.
And yeah, the comic really turned to crap (especially after all that "Peter, you're not the real Spider Man, you're a clone and your life for the last 30 years was all a lie" business a few years ago).
EDIT: That's it! Gwen Stacy... it was right on the tip of my tongue.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Mon 31/05/2004 04:48:52Perhaps, they are casting Beyonce to be a little diffferent and attract attention so people will go see the movie.
I think they do that to be a little different. I mean, people would get bored with the same old interpretation of Superman.
Good point(s).Ã, I commented on that earlier (sort of) about casting her in an attempt to widen the audience base.Ã, Which, I agree, does make sense from a financial POV.
I don't [always] mind a woman playing a previously male part, or a black guy replacing a previously white role.Ã, It sometimes seems like it's done for the wrong reasons ... like they're trying to ethnically balance the movie or something and I find that irritating.
I also agree that if they're going to put a black woman as Lois, they should pick a better actress.Ã, I gotta go with Peter Thomas on this one, I just can't stand Bouncie.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 31/05/2004 05:14:57Mos Def is going to be playing Ford Prefect in the Hitchhiker's Guide movie...
A black actor in a white roll AND he raps!! Run for the hills!
Mos Def, aside from having a stupid childish nick-name, is a pretty talented actor.Ã, His rap is shit (to me) but his acting isn't too shabby.
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Mon 31/05/2004 05:56:01
If I remember correctly, Spider man did kill the Goblin in the comic book... hmm... maybe I'm wrong...
Yeah, Spiderman killed the Green Goblin in the comics and later on, the role was taken over by Harry Osbourne, and he became Green Goblin II...
I think you guys are spending way too much time in your parents basements.. Really, is this such a big deal? If you don't like what's changed, don't watch the Goddamn movie.
And I take back what I said about McG.. I like his direction, he DOES get shitty scripts.. he had a good series on Fox, but it never worked out.. Bah.. Anyways.. Maybe McG will get a break where he doesn't get shitty everything.
Anyways.. Movies and comics are two different worlds.. In a comic, you can drag the same topic on for 8 years, and people will still read it.. You can introduce, kill, and make people dissapear in a comic, and no-one will bat an eye.. But in a movie, you have strict contraints of time, money, and interest. So of course, compromises have to be made, and fanboys will be upset.
That's life, live with it.
There's really no point bitching about something you can't change on a forum that nobody important reads.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 31/05/2004 05:14:57
As long as people are complaining you might as well hear about and them promptly get over the fact that Mos Def is going to be playing Ford Prefect in the Hitchhiker's Guide movie...
A black actor in a white roll AND he raps!! Run for the hills!
Probably beating a dead horse, but where in any of the books does it say that Ford Prefect is white? My point was simply that they could at least TRY to audition a woman that LOOKS like the original Lois Lanes. I mean, Teri Hatcher (looks-wise) was a good choice for the role. Beyonce, whether white or black I could care less, does not make a believable Lois Lane.
Let me get a word in about these rumors.
Contraversy worked VERY well for Mel Gibson and "Passion Of the Christ." Despite LOADS of negative criticism, the movie raked in tons and tons of money at the box office.
Likewise, these "Supes" casting rumours could be trying to stir up contraversy and therefore publicity just the same. And here we all are going crazy and yelling "WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY CAST A BLACK LOIS?!! PC PC PC!"
You kids are right! Beyonce is a stupid choice! What was I thinking?!
Listen, guys, there's only ONE thing that matters in any upcoming Superman movie, and that is this:
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"Kneel before Zod!"
(http://www.jedroot.com/photogr/mt/celeb/art/jk01.jpg)
"Yessir!!"
Heh heh.Ã, Cute.Ã, Ã, ;D
I wonder who's gonna be the villian this time around.Ã, I'd like to see SuperJake take on Doomsday or something... see how he fares in that.
Better yet, maybe the movie will be based on the comic storyline where Superman dies.
Um, wasn't Doomsday the one that killed Supes? :-\
...O_O...
Holy crap! You're right!
Quote from: [lgm] on Mon 31/05/2004 06:28:27
There's really no point bitching about something you can't change on a forum that nobody important reads.
No point? What are you, insane? I think plenty of people here are important, anyway. Look, people here. LGM is dissing you!
I already said all of this before so I won't go on. Talking about things like this are what people do on forums and in conversations with friends and in any other kinds of free media you like. It is important because if we all shut up about it, things would get even worse. Plus, what on earth would we talk about in this 'general' forum if it wasn't this? How sad we are during puberty? How nice the weather is? What our favourite Lucasarts game is? Well, all these things are just fine and dandy but I just don't want to live in a world where I can't slag off a stupid movie in an 'unimportant' forum. Nosiree.
ahhh.... nostalgic reminiscence.. I used to be a huge Superman fan. Not that I dislike him anymore, but I am not all that intense about it. I got a whole bunch of the comics, and even a bunch of books like "Death of Superman". I remember when they dedicated a whole page in my local newspaper to "The Death of Superman". That got me really sad. Then they brought him back to life. Also, all those cheesy Superman movies. If they can top them, it could be considered a success. There is nothing wrong with casting a black actress for Lanes part. However, I just can't see Beyonce in that role. However, if they make a movie I would probably watch it. If it is good then good. If it sucks, then so what? I wasted a couple of hours. I would not be moaning about how they destroyed the purity of the superman comics and stuff like that.
Now the purity of Monkey Island I can moan about forever :P
FRIGGING TERENCE STAMP!
(http://www.theasc.com/magazine/nov99/maddog/img1.jpg)
My Terence Stamp Impersonation (mp3) (http://www.sylpher.com/evenwolf/random/Fishing%20With%20Terence.mp3)
Quote from: kingsized on Tue 01/06/2004 10:03:09
FRIGGING TERENCE STAMP!
(http://www.theasc.com/magazine/nov99/maddog/img1.jpg)
My Terence Stamp Impersonation (mp3) (http://www.sylpher.com/evenwolf/random/Fishing%20With%20Terence.mp3)
Terence Stamp is awe. They HAVE to make another Superman movie with General Zod, just for him. In fact, screw Superman. I want a General Zod movie.
Just some things... Some may be related, and some not, these are just thoughts...
Tim Burton used a black actor for the upcoming two-faces character (Two faces was Gotham's district Attorney , which finally was performanced by Tomy Lee Jones).
Spiderman's and Daredevil enemy, Kingpin, wasn't black in the comics neither, but it was in the film...
Green Goblin I does not die in the comics... He came back from some coma state becaming Green Goblin III.
Harry Osborne dies saving Mary and Spidey's lifes in the comics, after realising how evil he became.
Spiderman did not invented the "Net launcher" in the movie because the Director thought that if a teen guy was would invent that he'd probably preffer to sit in a sofa counting his millions of dollars better than fighting the crime... I agree.
Quote from: Pesty on Tue 01/06/2004 10:35:48
Terence Stamp is awe. They HAVE to make another Superman movie with General Zod, just for him. In fact, screw Superman. I want a General Zod movie.
His brother (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0821885/bio) is better.
Farl: About Harvey Dent... I didn't quite like the fact that Tim Burton changed the color of Harvey. It didn't end up being very important since he wasn't Two-Face in Tim's movies. But the fact that they switched him back was ever worse!
I guess I'm sort of a purist in this respect, but I feel that when you make a comic into a movie you have a greater responsibility to keep the visual appearance of the original than you do when you adapt a book. In my head this goes down to the color of the skin. For instance using MC Duncan as Kingpin... They already chose a big guy... Why couldn't they get a big white guy? This is not about racism, but attention to detail. The lack of black superheroes is a historical fact. What is racist is the assumption that a white superhero can't be a hero/rolemodel for kids of other skin colors. It's a bit like casting Jim Carrey in the role as Nelson Mandela in the story of his life.
The same thing applies regarding the net launcher. How it was made is part of the Spider Man LEGEND. I feel it's important.
In closing I just want to have a little disclaimer:
I'm NOT a racist1 (I always preferred Tubbs over Crockett)
I'm NOT telling Hollywood how to make movies (Just how they should do it if they want to please me! ;) )
Quote from: Las Naranjas on Mon 31/05/2004 01:25:59
Superman was flawed from the beginning
Exactly, If he'd just thrown every lead briefcase he saw into the sun/leant heavily on the lead doors to vaults, he never would have had any problems with Kryptonite.
I agree with YOke somewhat, but also with Mr. Eric... Not all can't be told in a film. :'(
And the net launcher thingie had some pros and againsts... It was sorta illogical to create such a web and not sharing the knowleadge with the world (Man, a web like that could save lifes, imagine using it for repairing broken airplanes :)), but the resource of lack of web-foam when Spidey was going to catch some evil character in the comics was f*ing cool! :)
I guess no film can make everybody happy, but I was quite happy about Spidey's version.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 31/05/2004 00:53:52
does it matter?
and if the lois lane character in a comic is white doesn't mean that the lois character in the movie has to be white.
the same with the new catwoman movie.
eh, so what? is superman all that important of a comic/series of movies that it's "purity" has to be retained?
full ack.
I agree with things just being apart of "legend". How many people in the original comic boom era do you think enjoyed these comics because of their realism? Things don't HAVE to be explained, just told... I would have had no problem whatsoever with a kid just inventing the web gadget in his room after becoming Spiderman. Perhaps he became smarter ^_^ Who knows, who cares! This is what makes people love comics - cool stuff just happens for the sake of a fun story. Addressing the realism or lack thereof of such things is what spoofs and satire are for.
I remembering being completely annoyed at the costumes of the new X-men. All black and "cool"... pah. It was supposed to be about cheesy superheroes! I want all the cheesiness that comes with those old stories!
Not everything has to make sense when it's in a fun movie. It just has to be fun. When it's a movie based on something else though, it also has to be somewhat faithful. If you want to change a story, come up with your own, I say. Unless it was a really shitty story to begin with, or... the original author/whatever does the changing. Even then... sometimes it's wrong (Star Warssss).
I just like the fact that Harvey Dent was played by Lando Calrission.
[Pseudo-quote]Every superman has died or wore
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Dean Cain played Superman for several years in Lois and Clark, and he's still fine. ;)
By the way, I thought he did a good job as Superman
I've never been a comicbook reader, but I always loved the cartoons. I think (to some extent) what they're doing lately is good. They're going back and weeding out the stupid parts that had to do with the Cold War, or 'superizing' radiation, or 'cosmic rays.' Things that were never really realistic in their day, but sound silly as heck now. I LOVED Daredevil the movie, as I did Spiderman. I think, although straying from the 'canon', they maintained the essence of what the character is. The pain he has to go through each day, the things he has to give up to save people, just because he can.
I love Smallville , ( well ...except for the fact that they keep using the "let's base this episode on kryptonite shower results" or whatever...if you've seen the series you should know what I mean! ...anyway...that gets old....fast. ) , but like some people , I don't care who plays superman and lois lane as long as they look good and can act. I really hope the catwoman movie that stars Halle Berry gets made because she was great in Gothika and looks fantastic as catwoman , in the original tv show , at least one of the women who played catwoman at some time was Black and she did an excellent job too. So , in my opinion , unless you haven't seen the original or something , it's not that big a leap to think of catwoman as a Black character. It's funny , usually I don't care who plays the role as long as I consider the person good looking and a good actor , but I absolutely hate how the movie version of Mystique looks ( although it's obvious from the body that the actress is in good shape and such ) ...in my opinion if they can't get the movie version to look as good as the comic book version , then just keep Mystique out of the movies. I'd be a bit sad if that happened but at least I wouldn't have to complain about her looking better in comic books... I love the rest of the characters , I think the movie version of Wolverine looks better than the comic book version...of course he's not accurate in terms of how big he is but the attitude and basic look of the character ( in terms of hairstyle and such ) is dead on. I love the new X Men but I think it would fun to watch a movie with the "cheesy / old school" versions of the costumes too.
QuoteDean Cain played Superman for several years in Lois and Clark, and he's still fine.
His career is dead, so he fits the curse.
Besides, it took several years for the curse to affect Mr. Reeves.
There's still time.
Queen Kara: I thought the X-Men movies were quite cheesy still...
Regarding Superman it might actually be nice to team him up with a black chick just to tone down the Nitzchean overtones of the character. I mean... Superman translated directly to/from "übermensch". A white Adonis, superior in every way.
This is of course a bit tounge-in-cheek, but it isn't hard to see some unfortunate similarities to the white supremacy way of thought, accidental or not...
"Tim Burton used a black actor for the upcoming two-faces character "
"About Harvey Dent...changed the color of Harvey"
"I just like the fact that Harvey Dent was played by Lando Calrission."
CAN JUST ONE PERSON REFER TO THE MAN AS Billy D. Williams?! Jeeze. The man deserves oscars. Like eleven of them.
Get stuffed. It's Lando.
Actually, I had a debate with a friend of mine as to whether Lando was played by Billy Dee or Carl Weathers.
I said Billy Dee. And won.
I actually thought it was Apollo Creed... But I've googled for images and yes... He's Lando.
C'mon Kingsized! We're between friends and we may refer to someone like "That black guy who saved Luke in Bespin..." There's no need to google for names, or linking URLs as references, or quoting the sources... Even DG does not make it anymore... ::)
(http://www.starwars.ndo.co.uk/episodes4-6/lando.jpg)
"YOU THOUGHT WRONG, BOY-O!"
;D
(http://www.starwars.ndo.co.uk/episodes4-6/lando.jpg)
(http://www.dvddude.net/images/carlweathers_governor.jpg)
Ain't they alike?
About Carl Weather's pic... lol...
Hehehe.
Weathers has droopier eyes.
He's like a cross between Billy Dee and Gregory Hines.
as in one has a dead career and the other is just dead?
Quote from: kingsized on Wed 02/06/2004 11:53:46
CAN JUST ONE PERSON REFER TO THE MAN AS Billy D. Williams?! Jeeze. The man deserves oscars. Like eleven of them.
He deserves 15 and a half oscars. The half an oscar because he actually would never be nominated for best actress, but would win anyway because he's Billy D. Williams.