The gen thread seems to be bare on topics at the moment, so I figured I'd raise a question in my head right now, see what you think.
It's the use of parental advisory stickers like these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_Advisory
My dilemma is to whether I should label my promo discs. My music has swearing in it, like the mother-f.. word for example, and I'm going to be giving out fifty promo discs to complete strangers that contain said swearword. Several times. (It's in the chorus)
I'm not going to have it printed on my actual album, as it detracts from the artwork and I have greater control over the album than where these promos end up.
So what would you do? (Or have done?)
Personally I too can't stand those stickers - it just detracts from the whole album.
If I go out and buy an album, I know what kind of music I'm buying, and I don't need to be warned about it. If parents want their kids to never hear a swear word, they should go hide them under a rock or something.
True enough, the artwork style of my album suggests something un-nice, so it would hardly be surprising to find swearing on it.
And I was listening to EMF's B-side to unbelievable when I was a child which said mother f... and I hardly swear at all!
I would like to hear your music.
Those things only improve sales. Record companies probably see them as a marketing device...
As a kid I always thought of them as a sort of guarantee more than a warning. Like if nothing else you could at least rest assured the record would have a few naughty words on it. ::)
Maybe a better question is: do you really want to buy into Tipper Gore's whole stupid moral panic mess by using one of these stickers and thereby endorsing the whole thing (read some of the links on the page you posted)? If you want to put it on your CD as bit of a joke that would be something else. That's just my two cents.
I've never had a problem with the stickers, I'd rather buy an album with a sticker than be forced to buy and edited album. (Well you know, if certain people get their panties in a bunch over a few "naughty" words...) I'd say do the sticker thing. People are so easily offended, that it's not even funny.
Sometimes I fail to see the point behind the sticker. Take Cannibal Corpse's album, Tomb Of The Mutilated. It has a sticker, but you can't understand a single thing that the singer is saying.
i say no.
parental advisory stickers are supported only by sad old people who think that swearwords bring with them civilisation collapse so i say NO.
dont let 'mothers against' assholes win!
I guess it depends on the context of the word and how it's sung. I have CD's where the say "fucking" in every line of the chorus and I didn't even realize it until I started singing the words in front of my family. The word was used as an adjective not a verb or noun. Though, I have other CD's where the whole CD is clean and great for a family, but someone shouts "fuck" in the middle of the CD. And definatly if you're singing about how someone is going to have sex, then the term "fuck" isn't the best to use.
Also, in reguards to recieving a CD with language on it, choose your sample by how you think they would like the music. If it's metal or screamo, don't give it to an unsuspecting person like a granny.
If you still feel the need to put the sticker on, put it on the back side of the case.
I hate those lables, particularly the ones warning against 'explicit lyrics'.
That's an almost entirely meaningless statement. If a song described the underside of a pebble in minute detail, those would be explicit lyrics.
Warning lables, pah!
I'm also outraged by the way the Curious George trailer tells me that it 'Contains no Sex, Violence or Bad Language.' Why would I presume it did?
Double-pah!
I'm not too fond of those labels either. They're ridiculous, IMO.
Heh, I saw this guy at school who had a t-shirt saying "FUCK PARENTAL ADVISORY". I'd like one of those shirts too. ;D
The stickers say "parental advisory". They are advising parents that the songs may contain lyrics or whatever that may not be suitable for young children to hear. I know you're all blah-anti-censorship-it's-so-fun-to-be-un-PC, but it's only an advisory to parents who may be concerned about such things.
I don't see the problem with stickers either. If you can put it on the back of the CD (so the cover art isn't obscured), it's not hurting anyone, and it will help others.
Its like the Canadian gun registry, do you think the people who are intending to commit crimes are going to register their guns?Political Corectiness is stupid,
Quote from: Becky on Wed 07/06/2006 18:36:49
The stickers say "parental advisory". They are advising parents that the songs may contain lyrics or whatever that may not be suitable for young children to hear.
I always thought it meant, "Don't let your mom find out that you have this CD".
Anyone who says only "old people" like the labels should read the other posts in this thread. I mean, if you're going to make an absurd claim, at least do it BEFORE it is debunked.
Myself, I think doing it to demo CDs is kind of pointless. I am opposed to labeling in that the labels usually target anything "risque" like homosexuality or politics to the same degree that they target truly offensive material like Eminem's songs about stabbing gay people. In the case of the parental advisory, however, it doesn't seem that offensive, and may be useful depending on how you market your work.
That said, I do support GE labelling for food, but am generally against it for labelling Jews and Homosexuals. I do think people aught to label conservatives, maybe with a "Thanks for Global Warming, moron" safety tag or a "Probably has 3 Mistresses" sort of thing.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Wed 07/06/2006 18:45:26
Its like the Canadian gun registry, do you think the people who are intending to commit crimes are going to register their guns?Political Corectiness is stupid,
Same with getting a driver's licence. Do you think criminals are going to get a liscence when they're just going to use it to steal cars? That's why I think we should get rid of driver's licences altogether, since with them, only criminals will drive cars. I mean, cars are only marginally more dangerous than guns, at least in Canada where they are regulated.
I mean, it's not as if some ranger or police officer is going to see some poacher with guns and ask for their registry and find they don't have one and then use that as evidence in court. Using evidence in court? Puh-leeeeze.
QuoteSame with getting a driver's licence. Do you think criminals are going to get a liscence when they're just going to use it to steal cars? That's why I think we should get rid of driver's licences altogether, since with them, only criminals will drive cars. I mean, cars are only marginally more dangerous than guns, at least in Canada where they are regulated.
I don't think guns shouldn't be registered, but making a farmer who owns a 22 for hunting gophers, or a collector who probably never fired one of the guns in his collection, a criminal, because the system is so difficult, and expensive, and completely bureaucratic, is stupid. I am not making the "only criminal will have guns, so the people must protect themselves" NRA bullshit, I applaud the idea of having a gun registry, just its implimantation has been wasteful, and ineffective.
Zooty:
http://www.myspace.com/manicmatt3uk
Keep in mind I have yet to put my new music up as I'm still in the process of completing the art work. But I can't wait to show the world!
SSH: Whatever will they think of next? Mentioning bonus tracks on the contents instead of them being hidden tracks? (Papa Roach had a hidden bonus song on their 'infest' album. Then when they became really popular to 9 year olds everywhere the album was re-released, this time exclaiming it to be a "Bonus track!".
modgeulator: Tipper Gore's moral panic... um no. I don't. Well then, guess that simplifies things for me!
Mr Hyde: Hyeah makes me wonder if those screaming bands ever don't actually write any lyrics and just make up noises as they go along! I guess that's where my dilemma stemmed from; having people say to me : "WHAT?? You SWORE!! OH MY GOD!" I just won't let them hear it this time.
Hammerite: Is it the same kind of people who insist on having parental stickers and the like, the same ones who insist on the banning of children wearing black band t-shirts to school?
Evil: I was thinking I'd have to be somewhat judgemental when it comes to handing out my cd. If they look like a metal head or a goth, or they wear a NIN t-shirt then I might be pretty safe. And for the record, the context in which it's sung is "Stay away from me, mother f*cker". Hardly the most interesting lyrics I've ever written, but it's intentional as I was just venting pure anger towards a certain horrible person.
Ali: Curious George? Isn't that a children's film?
Largo: What better way to get public opinion than from some people who think like me in some ways. (At least in that we frequent this forum and like adventure games anyway...)
Becky: Yes that's it's intention, but I do know some adults who shy away when seeing the sticker, the wimps!
MashPotato: Ooh no I've got some great artwork on the back, too! Before I posted this thread there was a 30% chance I'd use the labels. Now it's more like 0.05%!
*sidesteps from the gun talk*
What really annoys me about parental stickers are, well, the ones that are not stickers but printed on the cover! That band EMF, when they released their singles collection, the title of it was called "Epson mad f*****s" with a parental sticker over where I just put the stars. When you peeled the sticker off it actually says "epson mad funkers". Clever, as they were known as both! And I always thought EMF stood for electro motive force.
Let me start out by saying, I do not like cencorship. I don't think curse words are really that bad, but I never use them. I don't think a kid will go bad because they've seen or heard something naughty. More likely, they won't understand what was said or what they saw. The only reason I don't like it, is because people are going to learn these words regardless.
That being said. I do feel that everyone has a right to there own oppinions on such matters, and if you don't want your kid to listen to curse words, than you should have that right. It's not like the stickers hurt anyone. And as a person who doesn't have kids yet, I have no idea how I really will feel on the issue when the time comes. So why deny my future self the option of doing what I think it right or wrong at the time?
One of the biggest problems I find in a lot of things of this nature. Is they're adamant about one thing, but blind to another. For instance, I was on a bus and brought the movie, Kentuck Fried Movie, to watch. Now this bus-ride was fourteen hours, and we're all of us college students. This movie has some nudity...which I had forgot about when I brought it, but they made me take it off immediatly. OK, fine...if you're scared people are going to be offended, I can live with that. It's the fact that they replaced the movie with Sin City. So it's fine if we show people getting killed, but god forbid a tit is shown on screen!
-MillsJROSS
Swearing in music tends to make me appreciate the artwork less. It just makes it seem so brainless to me when the lyrics are full of that junk. Does that make me a wimp? No.
I think you should have the right to write lyrics like that if you want to, but I probably wouldn't buy it.
I don't mind hearing swearing, or even using it, up to a point. But when it comes to music I just don't like it. No I'm not the kind of person who says swearing in music corrupts the youth or something and would probably still listen to it if it was really good...
Anyway, good luck with that :D. Why don't you post a song or something in Critics Lounge so we can critic it?
MillsJROSS: Sin city was allowed??! That's just nuts! Did they enjoy the scene where that guy that plays Frodo, Elijah wood or something is tied to the tree and you know what I'm talking about? That freaked ME out! Mainly 'cos of the expression on his face. Creepy.
Erenan: Hmmm I was referring to a person being wimpy when they are shocked to hear a swear word even though they're exposed to these words every single day unless they live a sheltered life with no TV. I would only agree with you if the swearing was used obsessively, in every other sentence, almost as if they needed to stretch the line out to fit in that segment of the song so they just add a swear word in there. Other wise, the band Everclear had never swore in a song until they released one album with the words in one song "I'm all f*cked up" in which they felt the word was necessary to describe themselves. If he was singing "I'm all messed up" instead, it sounds flat and nowhere near as bad. I myself don't swear unless I feel it's called for, as I would if I was talking to someone in real life, only swearing when I feel I really should, or get really angry. I just looked at my lyrics for this album and I only swear on the one song. (Unless you count "shit" as a swear word but to me it's not very offensive.)
Guybrush Peepwood: Critics lounge? hehe thanks but I've already gone through final mixing and everything so I consider it finished!
I'll be sure to let everyone know when my new music is up - and my friend just called a moment ago and informed me he's just emailed the final drawings to me! Yay I can finish the artwork! I could always put some of that in critics lounge.
Well see that's the double standard, especially in the USA.
Nudity is bad, but violent death is OK.
People flipped out when that whole Janet Jackson/Super Bowl fiasco...
Woopie, we saw an old black ladies boob...
I view "bad" words as just words, there is no right or wrong in them... After all, why is the word shit wrong, but calling the same thing (either verb or noun) poop, poo, or crap okay? Why is peeing, or weeing fine, but pissing bad?
Fuck, which has sexual connotations depending on the usage (it is quite the versitle word, no) is the only word I censor myself with, and only if it's used in the sexual meaning.
My daughter who is 8, knows the words, because both my wife and I use those words. She also understands that those words are "adult words" which only adults can use. She also understands that using those words around other adults that aren't us (she is allowed in certain occasions, such as singing along to the Bloodhound Gang's song Fire Water Burn) will give her dirty looks and possibly punishment.
What I don't really like is her watching overly violent movies, and openly sexual movies (sexual humor and the like). Being military, I've witnessed some horrific violence first hand. She doesn't need to see it at 8 years old, she also has an idea of what sex is, she knows about the birds and the bees (her baby brother being made helped push that issue into the light) but I really don't want her watching anything with blatant sexual tones in it. Same reason she isn't allowed to play any games that have a M rating.
Why do I censor my daughter like this? Simple, she isn't ready for it. About 6 months ago we were going to watch some gorey movie. She wanted to watch, we said no... she insisted, we said no, she started to become annoying and whiney, so we said fine, but we are not responsible for whatever...
She watched the movie, then for the next week didn't want to go to bed by herself, wanted to sleep with us, wanted to keep her bedroom light on, or her television on. To which we said no, we told you, you didn't listen, now live with the concequences. By this I know she isn't ready to deal with mature themes and ultraviolence. Maybe in a year or two...
However on the topic of the stickers... I view them as I view Television, Video Game, and Movie ratings, devices to help parents make educated decisions on what they allow their children to have and use (listen, watch, or play). I'd much rather have to have a sticker on my uncensored album, than no sticker on a censored album.
Heh, my daughter self-censors...
Whenever any TV programme has any form of peril (in her case, she doesn't even like "the bad guy" appearing on screen at all, even if he's not doing anything) she says "I think I've been watching too much TV, can we turn it off?"
Strangely, she doesn't mind it so much if we read her a story. So she can't watch Cinderella, as she gets upset whenever the stepmother or steopsisters appear, but she can listen to the story quite happily.
I think at 3 and half years old she's not quite ready to see The Omen, or Basic Instinct...
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Just my little way of the saying the world has gone politically correct mad in terms of censorship.
As the mass of members know, i am only 13 and a half years of age.
If a movie, tv show, or song slips in a swear, the world literally goes in a twist.
The problem with mass censorship of a single word, be it "fuck",
"bitch", or likewise is that kids as young as 9 can still access the material.
As for your question ManicMatt, i personally think you should screw it and don't worry about a sticker.
The main reason is, the central world does not care so much about a curse word as it does about something to the same extent, yet of a different media form.
Take the case of the GTA:SA Hot Coffee Mod.
Soccer mothers, and old lawyers alike were in an uproar.
Because, after all, they only expected gang violence, the theft of cars and business, murder of innocent civilians and the constant
use of the words "fuck","shit", "nigga" and the like, but a sex scene? My god.
I could go on like this for a while, but i think i'll post this before i start writing up hit-lists for the censorship quarters of the RIAA.
Cheers,
Fluke.
Using swear words is open-mindedness? ???
Frankly, I'm disappointed that people seem to think that open-mindedness means approving of people being allowed to do whatever they want to do. Don't get me wrong. I don't think we need to abolish the use of linguistic profanity, but let's make sure we understand the definition of "open-mindedness," all right?
Quote from: Erenan on Fri 09/06/2006 08:12:31
Using swear words is open-mindedness? ???
No, of course not.
I am referring to the subject matter of some songs, which have "adult themes" because they talk about a war in Iraq.
Yeah, yeah it is kind of irrelevant but it relates to the direct term of "censorship", and IMO how political correctness has gone crazy.
adding to fluke's PC GONE KERAZZY argument, in England, there was an episode of a TV show that was taken off the air because the bad guy was played by an asian. and the big screens in birmingham are showing all the world cup matches except for england's because doing that could 'upset other races'.
You're confusing actual censorship with a Parental Advisory sticker.
I don't like gratuitous violence swearing or sex in movies, but I am quite willing to put up with it if it fits the story. For example, as a young lad of 12, I saw a movie where this Irish family got sent to prison for bombing a restaurant, but they didn't do it. it had Ben Kingsly in it and any way there was a LOT of swearing quite a bit of violence, and a bit of nudity, but for the movie it made SENSE, they were in a prison, it made SENSE for those items to be in there. On the other hand I have seen movies where they added swearing violence and sex just to make money, and I found that distasteful. If it fits the world of the movie, fine. If its a money grab, I hate it.
*EDIT* Darn me and mine bad spelling :-[
What is sence?
Quote from: Zor on Fri 09/06/2006 17:55:31
What is sence?
see above post, modified for misspellings
Swearing violence and sex makes more money? How does one swear violence?
For some weird reason, when I was a kid, I never noticed swearing in movies or songs. My mind would just blank out those words. However, if I watched/listened to the swearing after I found out what the word meant, I'd notice it.
Also, while I never believed that babies came from storks or something like that, I couldn't really figure out why two people would get naked in bed.
Me: "Why?"
Parent: "Because it's hot!"
Me:"But they've got blankets over them anyway!"
Parent:"The AC is on. They must be cold"
Me:"But.....they're naked!"
And when I asked what virgins were, my parents got all flustered and started explaining about versions.
Quote from: MillsJROSS on Wed 07/06/2006 23:29:53
One of the biggest problems I find in a lot of things of this nature. Is they're adamant about one thing, but blind to another. For instance, I was on a bus and brought the movie, Kentuck Fried Movie, to watch. Now this bus-ride was fourteen hours, and we're all of us college students. This movie has some nudity...which I had forgot about when I brought it, but they made me take it off immediatly. OK, fine...if you're scared people are going to be offended, I can live with that. It's the fact that they replaced the movie with Sin City. So it's fine if we show people getting killed, but god forbid a tit is shown on screen!
um, did you even watch the movie or did you just cover your eyes during the "bad parts"? sin city's man characters are prostitutes and the movie has scenes of prostitutes having sex (not to mention the movie has lots of bare titts). i think the real reason why they switched movies is because kentucky fried movie sucks ass compared to sin city.
to the op, fuck parentel advisory!
Quotei think the real reason why they switched movies is because kentucky fried movie sucks ass compared to sin city.
That's like comparing apples to oranges. Those movies are in no way in the same genre, and will naturally appeal to different people. And the choice to take it off the screen wasn't made by the whole bus, it was made by one person in charge, who didn't want to get in trouble for showing nudity. Sin City's nudity is almost non-existent, comparatively.
Quoteum, did you even watch the movie or did you just cover your eyes during the "bad parts"? sin city's man characters are prostitutes and the movie has scenes of prostitutes having sex (not to mention the movie has lots of bare titts).
Covering my eyes probably would have been the best thing to do. I didn't enjoy the movie.
I think the general trend here is that those of a younger age who are actually affected by parental stickers, are more prone to be against it. Of course, when the younger generation write things like "to the op, fuck parentel advisory!" you can't much value their oppinion.
-MillsJROSS
EDIT: Nevermind.
Am I the only one who loves those stickers? :D
I see no reason why the stickers should be used.
Yeah, it helps the parents decide what to buy, but it's still forcing putting a big ugly sticker on art that wasn't made with said sticker in mind.
I mean, what if we started putting those stickers on paintings featuring bare breasts or something.. hopefully most people would find that to be insane.. although I realize that the comparison is far from perfect.
I just think it should be up to the artist to decide what to show and not to show.
But is a commercial musician, who has a contract and makes oodles of money doing hack work, (99.9% percent of music) an "artist"?
Quote from: Exorph on Sun 11/06/2006 16:50:27
I mean, what if we started putting those stickers on paintings featuring bareÃ, breasts or something.. hopefully most people would find that to be insane.. although I realize that the comparison is far from perfect.
Like you said, I don't think that's a good comparison... putting stickers on works of art would be censorship because you would be interfering with the artwork itself, while putting a sticker on a CD is putting a warning on the packaging for the artwork.
For example, I would have a problem if a gallery covered up nudity in paintings, but I wouldn't care if they posted a sign outside the exhibit stating that the exhibit contains nudity. While I don't think a warning is necessary, I have no problem with them informing people who
may have a problem with it. The art itself is unaffected by a warning.
Yes, the cover on a CD may be art, but it's not the main product, and if it's just a sticker you can remove it later (I agree it shouldn't be printed on the cover itself). I think the sticker could go on the back, too, so that the cover art is unchanged.
Quote from: MashPotato on Mon 12/06/2006 17:18:15
I would have a problem if a gallery covered up nudity in paintings, but I wouldn't care if they posted a sign outside the exhibit stating that the exhibit contains nudity. While I don't think a warning is necessary, I have no problem with them informing people who may have a problem with it. The art itself is unaffected by a warning.
I thought about this yesterday actually..
Instead of putting stickers on the packaging, I think a better idea is to have the offensive albums in a separate section where you buy your music.
Or you could put the stickers there, but it could be up to the seller, not the record label. I mean there's really no point in putting stickers on albums you buy online as it could say on the order page if it's offensive or not.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Mon 12/06/2006 16:57:01
But is a commercial musician, who has a contract and makes oodles of money doing hack work, (99.9% percent of music) an "artist"?
Are you kidding me? Far from 99.9% of all musicians make a lot of money.. hell.. far from 99.9% of all musicians even have a contract.
And far from 99.9% of all musicians WITH contracts make a lot of money..
Quote from: Exorph on Tue 13/06/2006 00:08:55
Instead of putting stickers on the packaging, I think a better idea is to have the offensive albums in a separate section where you buy your music.
I'm not sure store owners would like that idea. They'd probably assume it would make it harder to find what you're looking for because suddenly artists would be in two sections simultaneously if some but not all of their albums qualified as offensive.
Yes, I thought of that to.. It could be solved by having empty cd-cases saying something like "<I>50 Cent - Gangsta Jesus Pirate Ninja Hustler</I> Found in Offensive section".
But yeah.. I'm starting to feel that might just become messy.
There are still other solutions though. But as long as the stickers aren't forced onto me, it's fine by me.
I think people who swear should be forced to wear one of those stickers. :P
I swear, but depending on the circumstances. I won't swear in front of children, and I won't swear in front of my mother. Mostly.
So maybe I'd have some kind of adaptive sticker on me?
I swear all of the time. In private mostly. I don't actively try to avoid swearing in public, I just never really feel the need.
(B*llocking shower of f*ckers!)
who came up with the idea that swearing is bad, and why?
I can only guess that the answer is somewhere in history. But, if you actually think about it, it makes a lot of sense.
Take the word, "shit". What is the meaning of the word "shit"? Fecal matter. Stool. Poo-poo. Doody. Dung. Would you walk into a bar, and start a conversation with a girl about your bowel movements? Of course, "shit" is not a word that you would say in the presence of others.
How about "ass"? An "ass" is, simply put, a burro or donkey. Somewhere along the line, "ass" became where "shit" comes from. Your butt. Bunghole. Poopchute. Balloon knot. Take my example from "shit", and replace "bowel movements" with "cornhole".
A "bitch" is a female dog. Somewhere along the line, this became an insulting way to describe or refer to a woman, by calling her a female dog. So, when your mom asks you where you and your date are going, you wouldn't say, "I'm taking my bitch to the movies." You may soon find yourself "bitch"-less, and probably getting your mouth washed out with soap.
Now... "Fuck". That's an interesting word. I have no clue as to it's origins, and even though it seems to fall into any word category (noun, verb, adjective, etc), I have no idea what it originally started out as.
EDIT: I looked it up on Wikipedia, here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck). I always knew that it meant to have sexual intercourse, but I didn't know if that's what it originally started out as. In the olden days, sex was supposed to be something kept between two people who loved each other (not just out of manners, but also thanks to the bible). Take the saying, "...A gentleman never tells." If it's only supposed to be between you and your lover, then you wouldn't even mention the word in public.
"Damn" is used to describe someone who is going to "hell" when they die, I believe. I guess it could be frowned upon, because only the man upstairs knows who is and who isn't going to "hell". Who are you to say who is "damned", and who isn't? "Goddamn" would be a double-whammy, because you're also taking the lord's name in vain (something that people didn't do because of the ten commandments, "Thou shalt not take the lord's name in vain, or bear false witness".)
As I stated before, "hell" is where the "damned" go. "Hell", of course, is a place viewed as being filled with flames, magma, screaming, and eternal suffering. You wouldn't want to go there, so why would you talk about it or think about it?
So, these words aren't necessarily "bad". I assume at one point in time it just became customary to not speak these words aloud in the presence of others, or not at all, for the sake of class and manners. But, nowadays, even "fuck" doesn't have a whole lot of shock value anymore (...and to think, "fuck" is supposed to be the godfather of all four letter words...). And with the way that people treat each other now, it doesn't surprise me that some people don't understand why these words are viewed as "bad".
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Wed 14/06/2006 10:18:56
Would you walk into a bar, and start a conversation with a girl about your bowel movements?
No, but I have had conversations with other parents about my children's bowel movements...
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How about "ass"? An "ass" is, simply put, a burro or donkey. Somewhere along the line, "ass" became where "shit" comes from. Your butt. Bunghole. Poopchute. Balloon knot. Take my example from "shit", and replace "bowel movements" with "cornhole".
Actually, ass is just a bowdlerised American euphamism for the word "arse", meaning the buttocks.
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A "bitch" is a female dog. Somewhere along the line, this became an insulting way to describe or refer to a woman, by calling her a female dog.
In Italy and Spain it pretty much just means "prostitute" when applied to a woman.
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"Damn" is used to describe someone who is going to "hell" when they die, I believe. I guess it's only frowned upon because only the man upstairs knows who is and who isn't going to "hell".
"Damn" on its own is usually just an abbreviation of a phrase like "God damn you", so its all the commandment stuff.
Its funny how "crap" is more acceptable that "shit" and "do the horizontal tango" is more acceptable than "fuck" and "derriere" more acceptable than "arsehole" and "lady lumps" more acceptable than "tits" and "kebab" more acceptable than "cunt". THEY MEAN THE SAME THING!
So, I say: drop all the fornicating doo-doo and speak plainly, you oedipal self-abusers ;)
Quote from: SSH on Wed 14/06/2006 10:41:56
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Wed 14/06/2006 10:18:56
Would you walk into a bar, and start a conversation with a girl about your bowel movements?
No, but I have had conversations with other parents about my children's bowel movements...
Is that what I have to look forward to in fatherhood?... Argh! Someone get me out of here! (just kidding :P)
Actually, when I was younger, I got my mouth washed out with soap a few times for saying "crap". I didn't know why, though. I always thought "crap" was a sort of generic version of "shit".
I guess my mom must have accidentally bought too much palmolive, and came up with that lame excuse to get rid of some.
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Wed 14/06/2006 10:18:56
Now... "Fuck". That's an interesting word. I have no clue as to it's origins, and even though it seems to fall into any word category (noun, verb, adjective, etc), I have no idea what it originally started out as.
EDIT: I looked it up on Wikipedia, here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck). I always knew that it meant to have sexual intercourse, but I didn't know if that's what it originally started out as. In the olden days, sex was supposed to be something kept between two people who loved each other (not just out of manners, but also thanks to the bible). Take the saying, "...A gentleman never tells." If it's only supposed to be between you and your lover, then you wouldn't even mention the word in public.
I heard somewhere that in the old days if you wanted to have sex you had to get permission from the king so it meant
Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King.
Probably just an urban legend though.
I heard to differant stories about the origin of the word "fuck" one was that if you were caught you had to where a sign that said For U
nlawful Carnil Knowledge, similer to the kings permission story.
I also heard that it came from the old saxon word foken which means, "to beat against" An apt description I always thought ;D
It says right in the Wiki article that both of those initialisms are false. False etymologies of the word "fuck". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck#False_etymologies)
However, lo_res_man is somewhat correct about the origin of the word:
Quote from: Wikipedia
It is unclear whether the word had always been considered impolite and, if not, when it was initially considered to be profane. Some evidence indicates that in some English-speaking locales it was considered acceptable as late as the 17th century meaning "to strike" or "to penetrate"[1]. Other evidence indicates that it may have become vulgar as early as the 16th century in England. Other reputable sources such as the Oxford English Dictionary contend the true etymology is still uncertain but appears to point to an Anglo-Saxon origin that in later times spread to the British colonies and worldwide.
I love Wikipedia.
Yes, "strike"!
Germanic (compare with Swedish dialect 'focka' and dutch dialect 'fokkelen'); possibly from an indo-European root meaning 'strike', shared by latin pugnus 'fist'.
I didn't read that on the internet. Don't you people have books?
What are books?
*Looks it up on Wikipedia.*
Anyone remember (and you should, it wasn't that long ago :P) the Bloodhound Gang song: Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo.
Cheesy, no?