I am just wanting an idea on what people computer specs are in the AGS community. I want to develop a game, but dont want to develop something that has system requirements that are too high for people. Only reason being is that my PC specs are fairly high spec. And also I am using Wintermute as well, not AGS (dont flame me!). So some research would be great on what people are using.
I think that almost any computer nowadays can handle an AGS game.
I have had 433Mhz old crap and AGS games worked really smoothly in 640*480.
Now I have a completely new comp, two months old.
Oohh, a chance to show off!
Dell XPS 400 with dual core processors, ATI Radeon X1900, flat screen monitor, 5.1 Surround Sound and a pretty mouse pad. 8)
I got 2.0GHz, 1GB Ram and an 1800GTO.
Oh, you meant specs: a wheel mouse with a ball, two Sony speakers, a tube monitor and a Logitech Gamepad Pro.
1,8 GHz, 512MB Ram, and a 32Mb RIVA TNT2, a DVD-rom, a floppy drive, 60Gb of HD, A broken moterboard, a cheap keyboard and a Wacom for a mouse. 2 80s speakers through a stereo/vinyl player with no high or low voices available. A broken headset with a working microphone, an integrated soundcard and a new expensive good PSU of many watts, and a 17'' monitor I got for 1€
2,4 GHz
256MB RAM
ge-force ti4200 128MB
80GB harddisk
But don't worry I'm saving for a new pc ;)
Here's mine. :)
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Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13
Computer Name CHINOOK
User Name Dan
Logon Domain CHINOOK
Motherboard:
CPU Type Mobile AMD Athlon 64, 1600 MHz (8 x 200)
Motherboard Name Quanta 3093
Motherboard Chipset Unknown
System Memory 448 MB
BIOS Type Phoenix (10/19/05)
Display:
Video Adapter ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M (64 MB)
Video Adapter ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M (64 MB)
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (QGU065003076)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Conexant AC-Link Audio [NoDB]
Storage:
Disk Drive FUJITSU MHV2080AT PL
Optical Drive CD-ROM Drive
Optical Drive PIONEER DVDRW DVR-K15
Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 76269 MB (18646 MB free)
Windows XP Home
P4 2.8 GHz, single core
2 GB RAM
2 hard disks, 150 GB and 300 GB
GForce 512 MB RAM
LynxONE sound card
and other more audio related stuff, which are of no interest
Oldest that can run AGS games is:
P200MMX, 32MB RAM, some hard drive (most likely 1GB, but I forgot and too lazy to check), with S3 Virge DX for video and gigantic AWE32 for audio. Helluva beast!
Well, it would run AGS games if I upgrade its Win95 to Win98 (which I am yet again too lazy to do).
My machine is one of two things I'm never sorry to spend money on... second is my GF
Intel Core2 Duo (2 x 2,18 MHz)
2GB RAM
NVidia GeForce 7900GT/GTO (512MB) (with self-made custom cooler (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=32380.msg418791#msg418791))
250GB HDD
Buggy, problematic, overheating, color-dot-infested, overly damned Samsung Syncmaster 740BF 17" LCD monitor. Never buy this.
5.1 Sigmatel Audio soundcard thingy
WinXP Home Edition
And loads of fancy junk, from TV&FM card to a tablet to a 5.1 surround headset to a MIDI keyboard to a...
Anyway, current specs indicate that last time I had money was more than year ago.
Damn you, poverty!
I was going to post my computer specs, but I'm afraid that if I do, I'll get laughed at. :'(
On my old computer Wintermute games were unplayable slow while AGS worked fine.
That's a pentium 120, 16mb RAM, 1,6 Gb harddisk. The monitor broke two months ago, so I can't tell you any more...
I have like a hard-drive and... stuff. It's got a mouse and goes on when I push the big button :/
I have an 8-core Opteron system with 32G RAM and 10TB RAID10 disk array. OK, it's a work system, but its all mine!
Memory: 32901612k/34603008k available (2461k kernel code, 0k reserved, 1226k data, 204k init)
CPU0: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 1/2 rip 6000 rsp 1083ff83f58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 2/4 rip 6000 rsp 1043ffa3f58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 3/6 rip 6000 rsp 104471fdf58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 4/1 rip 6000 rsp 1063ff1ff58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 5/3 rip 6000 rsp 1023ff65f58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 6/5 rip 6000 rsp 1043ff7ff58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Booting processor 7/7 rip 6000 rsp 1043fe21f58
Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214 HE stepping 03
Total of 8 processors activated (35078.14 BogoMIPS).
At home I just got a T7250 with 2G...
1.4 GHz Athlon with 128 Mb RAM. RAM turns out to be not all that important if you set up big enough swap space.
I tend to use 1024x768 resolution, although I can go higher if need be.
I used to do everything on a 350 MHz box, even. I've never found an AGS game that wouldn't run on that, although KQIX didn't.
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 13/02/2008 17:36:04
RAM turns out to be not all that important if you set up big enough swap space.
Uh..I do not totally agree with that. Unless you have a HDD with huge cache, RAM is a lot better than just swap space. But on the other hand, swap space can make a difference...
Desktop:
AMD Athlon xp 2000+
1Gb DDR RAM
GeForce 6200 128Mb
3 HD 80GB+80GB+80GB (last one found near a rubbish skip ::) )
LG DVD-Rom
Samsung DVD-Writer
Dolby 2.1
2 Playstation joypad
OS: Win Xp
Laptop:
Intel Centrino Duo 2 1.6Ghz Dual Core 64bit
2Gb RAM
Intel GM965 graphic chipset ( :( )
HD 160Gb
DVD-Writer
OS 1: Mandriva Linux 2008.0
OS 2: Win Vista Premium ( :-[ :-X )
QuoteComputer
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate
OS Service Pack -
Internet Explorer 7.0.6000.16575
Computer Name QUADCORE
User Name Davi
Logon Domain QuadCore
Motherboard
CPU Type QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2400 MHz (9 x 267)
Motherboard Name Asus P5N-E SLI (2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 650i SLI
System Memory 8188 MB (DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award (06/11/07)
Display
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS (512 MB)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS (512 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 795DF/795MB/MagicSyncMaster CD175GP [17" CRT] (HXAY710649)
Multimedia
Audio Adapter Realtek ALC883 @ nVIDIA nForce 430i (MCP51) - High Definition Audio Controller
Storage
Disk Drive ST350084 1AS SCSI Disk Device (500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II)
Optical Drive TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D ATA Device (DVD+R9:8x, DVD-R9:8x, DVD+RW:18x/8x, DVD-RW:18x/6x, DVD-RAM:12x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/32x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM)
Partitions
C: (NTFS) 199999 MB (118560 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 249999 MB (71172 MB free)
Total Size 439.5 GB (185.3 GB free)
o/
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 13/02/2008 17:36:04
RAM turns out to be not all that important if you set up big enough swap space.
I really hope you don't mean other types of jobs, apart from AGS and small applications. Cause there's no way in the world audio would go about with swap space, etc... ;) (or graphics, or animation...) :-\
Quote from: Oliwerko on Wed 13/02/2008 20:41:55
Uh..I do not totally agree with that. Unless you have a HDD with huge cache, RAM is a lot better than just swap space. But on the other hand, swap space can make a difference...
I'm aware that RAM is better, of course. But it turns out that many applications that list a minimum amount of RAM required can be run with significantly less than that, if you create generous amounts of swap on your hard drive.
Of course, this assumes you don't have too much junk in your system tray, and aren't multitasking overly much.
RAM is speeder than HD, a swap area cannot compete with ram speed
swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM
OS can swap portion of ram to swap area, just if ram is full and then reswap it to ram to be processed, but you have a down in efficence, so programs (like games) that need 1GB ram cannot run if you have 512MB also if you have 2GB of swap area
that's not a consideration, that are the fact :) (it was part of an exame at the university in witch I got the maximum vote)
Quote from: thebaddie on Thu 14/02/2008 16:28:30
swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM
Pop quiz, dude. If theory does not match up with actual practice, which of the two is correct?
Quote from: Radiant on Thu 14/02/2008 16:55:24
Quote from: thebaddie on Thu 14/02/2008 16:28:30
swap area is usefull only for the OS, or for temporany files (like extracting a rar file), but in no way it can be used as RAM
Pop quiz, dude. If theory does not match up with actual practice, which of the two is correct?
hoping I understand your question
the OS uses the swap area to temporany swap part of memory to the hd when ram is full, but it cannot manages it when it is in the swap area, so OS need to "wait" that a part of memory is free to reswap from swap area to ram and process it
swap area partition may be used ALSO as stock for temporany files, in example the windows OS uses a part of the main partition (where win is installed) to stores temporaney files, but you can change this "rule" for some programs like winrar forcing it to use the swap area partion as temporany file stock
or maybe i didn't understand your question and need to study more about english language :P
the most common systems in my place is a dual quad core q6600 with 8 gb ram. the next common are the celeron systems but they are crap. then there is the dual opteron system as well as the dual xeon system
Quote from: Da_Elf on Thu 14/02/2008 17:08:05
dual quad core q6600 with 8 gb ram
dual quad? wow it has 4x2=8 processor, with 8gb ram
it's the NASA computer? ;D
Quote from: thebaddie on Thu 14/02/2008 17:07:17
hoping I understand your question
No, you aren't. The point is that you're telling me that, according to your theoretical test, what I am doing in actual practice with my computer is not possible. And yet here I am, doing it.
I am fully aware of what swap space is. Swap is
not for temporary files, as those are stored in the file system (\windows\temp\*.*, for instance; the swap file is \pagefile.sys). They wouldn't be temporary files if they weren't, you know,
files. Otoh, swap is
precisely for usage as (virtual) memory.
And while it is obviously slower than actual memory, it is by definition a possible substitute. You can't even say
how much slower it is until you know the relative latency of hard drive and memory (and primary and secondary cache of both, and look-aheads). "It is slower therefore it cannot work" is not a good argument.
sorry but you'r in error
\windows\temp\ is not file system is a simple temporany files directory nothing more
anyway i say you can use swap PARTITIONS (if you create it) also for temporaney files and swap area
you're right about virtual memory, but pieces of code swapped from ram to swap area CANNOT BE MANAGED by the OS, they are in swap area stored waiting to return to the RAM to be managed from OS (so processed and so on)
i'm excuse with you cause i don't read previews messages but only last one about swap area, so i'll read all others messages to understand what you'r talking about :P
[EDIT]
i read previous messages, and no, i'm in the advice you can't run programs that need more then your ram (at least double size)
if you can i'm really interesting in it.. i'm serius
Quote from: thebaddie on Thu 14/02/2008 17:22:36
\windows\temp\ is not file system is a simple temporany files directory nothing more
False. \Windows\temp is part of the file system.
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anyway i say you can use swap PARTITIONS (if you create it) also for temporaney files and swap area
False. Swap partitions don't have a file system (and aren't used by windows, and are obsolete in linux). Swap partitions are, by definition, solely for swap area.
Quotebut pieces of code swapped from ram to swap area CANNOT BE MANAGED by the OS, they are in swap area stored waiting to return to the RAM to be managed from OS
False. Swapping is managed by the OS.
Swap space is NOT for storing temporary files. Swap space is FOR virtual memory.
ok i say: you're completly in error in all your points
file system is the part of an OS that manages things like coping files, create directory and so on
temp folder is a directory and nothing more
swap area are strongley used by unix/linux and win uses them to
memory swapped in swap area cannot be processed cause it is inactive
so i'm boring to repeat same things, go study and not tell things invented at all
a good start could by there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory (Note that "virtual memory" is not just "using disk space to extend physical memory size".)
then read some OS book, read linux man and so on
last thing, i also write a program that simulate different type of memory allocation and swap area system and i study swap area in deep
You are now contradicting your previous post, and completely missing the point of mine.
to radiant
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4204/swapsc8.png
You need to work on your reading comprehension before making condescending posts.
i have problem with reading comprehension?
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\Windows\temp is part of the file system.
it's an heresy
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Swap partitions ... (and aren't used by windows, and are obsolete in linux). Swap partitions are, by definition, solely for swap area.
i demostrate you windows uses swap partition, and btw linux strongley use it (the obsolete think is old custom that swap area must to be double sized ram)
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Swapping is managed by the OS.
everything is managed by OS, but swap area cannot be processed, it must repass trought ram
anyway we are to much offtopic, so if you want to continue pm me.
thebaddie ive only got 10 of those right now. need to get some more though
10 of those wow
so i think they are servers isn't it?
or they are for home use?
where can i find more details?
my studio does animation. those are render nodes. so more or less all the havei n them are motherboard, 2 processors, ram, a 40gig hard drive a PSU and a crappy video card (i would have gone without the video card and gotten a mobo with onboard video but the one with onboard video could only take 4 gigs of ram and the price was next to negligable). i usually fire them up for the big jobs. the small jobs i do on the 6 celerons
Well, just for fun.. I guess since I started the topic, I'll post my machine.
AMD Dual Core 6000+ @ 3ghz
4GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 512mb (g92 chip)
320/500/750GB Hard Drives
19" Widescreen LCD
16x SATA Burner
M-Audio Audiophile 96/24
17" monitor
2 scroll mice
USB Mono headphones/microphone
Internet Keyboard with extra buttons I never use.
USB Webcam
900 mhz.
128 ram.
2mb video memory.
Windows 2000 Pro.
I got it for $80. And it is the best computer I have ever had.
Okay, on topic,
Core 2 duo 6600
2 gb of ram
250 / 120 / 2x 400 gb hdds
Radeon x1600 pro / 512
And a little 4 gb maxtor with all my old games and dosbox.
and off topic, just pinch...
If the swap file is only usable by the OS, wouldn't having a larger swap file still help in other duties, simply because the os wasn't as resource intensive as it would normally be? I'm very computer savvy, but I lack any actual education in computers, so I'm not so technically minded as I'd like to be in this.