Hey!
I just got the idea that it may be potentially interesting to find out what kind of political people on AGS are.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al_Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&newname=Tuomas&newec=-5.88&newsoc=-6.10)
I was pretty surprised how I came out so libertarian, but Calin's results were not so surprising :P...it seems that my random sampling of those present in the AGS IRC chatroom currently shows a libertarian left slant. It is your job to change this (or cement it in place :D).
EDIT: Added Everyone so far
It is getting a bit crowded in that corner...perhaps I should change the names to numbers in the image soon.
Here is the test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/test)
And you can fill in whatever value you obtained here:
The AGS Political Spectrum (so far) (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al_Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&newname=Tuomas&newec=-5.88&newsoc=-6.10)
Everyone fill it in! I want to have an understanding of who I will have to kill in the upcoming revolution. :P
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&newname=Tuomas&newec=-5.88&newsoc=-6.10)
[EDIT]: and no, I'm not going to post the figures because I already closed the tab and they're gone.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&newname=cat&newec=-2.88&newsoc=-5.28 (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&newname=cat&newec=-2.88&newsoc=-5.28)
Thanks Babar for adding!
This is a great test. Confirmed what I already figured - I'm very Left in broad issues but still quite authoritarian minded regarding government. But not enough to be a true authoritarian... soz for letting ya'll down.
EDIT: Sorry, didn't know quite how it works. -5.75, -0.92 are my values.
Give us the numbers or the link, Jared (And others)! We need someone in the pink box :D.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&newname=Stupot&newec=-2.50&newsoc=-2.51)
EC: -2.50
SOC: -2.51
I'm right about Nelson Mandela...don't know if it's a good or a bad thing...people like that are first to go in a militaristic regime. :P
ec -6.75 soc -4
Although it was somewhat difficult to answer on certain questions (I could miss something due to lack of knowledge of english language), here is my data:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
(which was a bit surprising, because I expected this capitalist propaganda programm would put me somewhere near fascism :P)
Right there with you it seems:
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Crimson+Wizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&newname=Khris&newec=-3.75&newsoc=-5.18)
Updated link:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Crimson+Wizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&newname=Khris&newec=-3.75&newsoc=-5.18
Quote from: BabarIt appears we are developing a Communist Sickle
Quote from: KhrisRight there with you it seems
....you must be kidding :o
Ha! Red square is mine, all mine!
You hippie rebels need to learn some discipline.
-5.50
2.05
I got Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
fill it in for me please lovely babar
Oh, this old thing. It's a fun game, and the notion of two axes of political orientation is useful, but ultimately I think it's so biased (deliberately or not) as to essentially constitute a push poll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll). Almost all politicians are placed in the upper right quadrant, while the questions are phrased and the results calculated in such as way that most of those who take the test end up in the lower left. In other words, it's a way of convincing people that they should be voting more left-ish.
To check the fairness, I tried taking the test as George W. Bush (the top-right-most politician in their chart), answering as well as I could based on what I know of him, and I got a completely different result (4.88/2.05, about where they show Stephen Harper).
The test is not that usefuls in and of itself but it is fun as a comparison tool... you just need to shift the centre point a little.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Crimson+Wizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&newname=Wonkyth&newec=-3.88&newsoc=-2.82)
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
I get similar results each time I take the test :)
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90
I added myself here (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Crimson+Wizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&newname=Phemar&newec=-3.50&newsoc=-4.82).
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
It's weird how we all seem to have similar views...
Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Mon 29/11/2010 10:17:01
Quote from: BabarIt appears we are developing a Communist Sickle
Quote from: KhrisRight there with you it seems
....you must be kidding :o
?
I meant: I ended up right were I expected, pretty much in the center of the group and the lower left square.
I'd say communism is further left and at the top, where they put Stalin.
Not gonna do the test again (already took it twice before) but I'm also on the left wing/social libertarian corner of the spectrum.
Edit: Decided to re-take the test anyway since I've gotten a clearer picture of my true feelings about the world lately. Though I think the main change from previous times was that I answered "disagree" rather than "strongly disagree" to some of the pro-religious questions. Still am strongly opposed to organized religion in its current form, however.
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44
Quote from: Khris on Mon 29/11/2010 12:32:14
Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Mon 29/11/2010 10:17:01
Quote from: BabarIt appears we are developing a Communist Sickle
Quote from: KhrisRight there with you it seems
....you must be kidding :o
?
I meant: I ended up right were I expected, pretty much in the center of the group and the lower left square.
I'd say communism is further left and at the top, where they put Stalin.
Perhaps you did not get Babar's idea; the points he put on graph were forming Sickle & Hammer sign. And your point made a continuation to the hammer stick ;D
Too bad, now the image is too messed up.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&newname=Matti&newec=-8.12&newsoc=-8.51)
-8.12 / -8.51
Phemar, you're missing for some reason.
Quote from: Khris on Mon 29/11/2010 12:32:14
I'd say communism is further left and at the top, where they put Stalin.
I'd call myself a communist (or something similar) and I think what Stalinism and other so-called communist regimes have done couldn't be further away from what I wish for the people. An authoritarian one-party bullshit is pretty much the opposite of what communism ultimately stands for - uncompromising and direct democracy.
EDIT: Well, here's the link:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&newname=Matti&newec=-8.12&newsoc=-8.51
As the link changes as soon as a new name is being added, everyone needs to use the newest link. Too late for some of us I'm afraid.
Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
I added myself to one of the links but it seems like it hasn't got as many names as some of the pictures shown so I might have added my name to the wrong graph.
Nice to see nobody in the upper right quadrant so far - looking at the chart of politicians, that's where the majority of assholes are.
And yay, I think I contributed to the handle of the sickle... or maybe that's the hammer, the graph is beginning to lose shape - anarchist socialism cannot be contained!
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&newname=Ascovel&newec=-0.12&newsoc=-1.54)
Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54
I've almost made it right in the center of the dartboard!
I don't see how religion could fit anywhere in this test, though.
Center is probably worst place to be: without extreme, solid views, you are prime target for voting campaigns, vote sale etc. Like a leaf in the wind: you're still available vote on the market, so everybody tries to get you on their side!
In other hand, very content, I guess. Which is globally good.
Quote from: InCreator on Mon 29/11/2010 13:31:38
Center is probably worst place to be: without extreme, solid views, you are prime target for voting campaigns, vote sale etc. Like a leaf in the wind: you're still available vote on the market, so everybody tries to get you on their side!
Nah, you're just jealous of my well rounded political views. ;)
Quote from: InCreator on Mon 29/11/2010 13:31:38
I don't see how religion could fit anywhere in this test, though.
Alot of the questions have a grounding in correlation. i.e if you have this religious belief then you are probably conservative.
It doesn't work all the time but it tends to average out.
Really i guess the graph should be three dimensional, splitting left/right into socially left/right and fiscally left/right.
Someone can have socially conservative values (on things like homosexuality or the role of religion) while still being fiscally liberal (regulation etc). It just so happens that those who are socially conservative and also generally fiscally conservative (especially in the US)
As expected I guess: Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10
Seems like I'm in the company of people who think alike.
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62
What?
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&newname=Andail&newec=8&newsoc=8)
Economic Left/Right: -3.55
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
I updated the chart with some of the latest peoples results:
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00%2C-3.64&newname=Ascovel&newec=-0.12&newsoc=-1.54)
Here is the link if you want to add your results...
http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50,-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88,-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12,-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62,-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75,-1.23&Khris=-3.75,-5.18&Wyz=-5.00,-5.90&Cat=-2.88,-5.28&CWizard=-6.75,-2.92&Jared=-5.75,-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88,-4.82&Increator=-5.50,2.05&Babar=-4.88,-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75,-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88,-6.10&Matti=-8.12,-8.51&Tier=-3.55,-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88,-6.10&Wersus=-6.00,-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00,-3.64&newname=Ascovel&newec=-0.12&newsoc=-1.54 (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50,-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88,-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12,-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62,-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75,-1.23&Khris=-3.75,-5.18&Wyz=-5.00,-5.90&Cat=-2.88,-5.28&CWizard=-6.75,-2.92&Jared=-5.75,-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88,-4.82&Increator=-5.50,2.05&Babar=-4.88,-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75,-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88,-6.10&Matti=-8.12,-8.51&Tier=-3.55,-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88,-6.10&Wersus=-6.00,-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00,-3.64&newname=Ascovel&newec=-0.12&newsoc=-1.54)
Self-adding does not work.
Quote from: Andail on Mon 29/11/2010 16:09:39
What?
Swedish.
So, this much we know that test actually does work
This was a neat idea Babar. It actually works! It's interesting how most of the results are in the same quadrant.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&newname=Atelier&newec=0.25&newsoc=3.69)
Updated chart. (http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&newname=Atelier&newec=0.25&newsoc=3.69)
ec=-4.38 soc=-3.08
Can someone maintain the one link and we just post our scores?
Quote from: Stee on Mon 29/11/2010 16:53:24Can someone maintain the one link and we just post our scores?
This! For some reason I keep disappearing from the chart, and I was helping to form such a nice straight line between Matti and Tuomas.
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44
Edit: Understand now why it's not working without posting an updated link after self-adding. What a retarded system for something that's perfectly suited for group-usage. Has to do with anonymity factor, I suppose.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Indieboy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&newname=Atelier&newec=0.25&newsoc=3.69&newname=Al_Ninio&newec=-7.12&newsoc=-7.38)
Hi.
Quote from: GarageGothic on Mon 29/11/2010 16:55:23
Quote from: Stee on Mon 29/11/2010 16:53:24Can someone maintain the one link and we just post our scores?
This! For some reason I keep disappearing from the chart, and I was helping to form such a nice straight line between Matti and Tuomas.
Al_Ninio to the rescue!
Updated URL of sorts. (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&newname=Al_Ninio&newec=-7.12&newsoc=-7.38)
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&newname=RickJ&newec=6.78&newsoc=-0.97)
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Wow RickJ, that is some serious right wing action you have there.
This quiz is liberally biased so to be that far over I have no idea how you answered.
Even George Bush doesnt get that far to the right.
Updated everyone (I think). I assume Andail was joking?
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al_Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&newname=Tuomas&newec=-5.88&newsoc=-6.10)
The AGS Political Spectrum (so far) (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al_Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&newname=Tuomas&newec=-5.88&newsoc=-6.10)
Well, according to that website, Hitler wasn't very left or right at all...
economically, no.
Andail is like Ron Paul if Ron Paul wanted to kill all the gays and arrest dissenters.
Well, I highly value freedom. Eccoomic freedom is pretty much a prerequisite for political and other civil liberties.
I noticed the bias and ignored it when possible. For example many of the questions about ecconomic freedom were posed as giant multi-national corporation scenarios in attempt to invoke negative knee jerk reactions rather than asking an honest question.
One of the questions was posed as a "universal" through the use of the word "always". So people who would generally agree with the statement but nwho read carefully would answer "disagree". Not rerally honest in my humble opinion.
There were also some questions I found to be too vague. The "compulsory school attendance" for example didn't say what level of school or who was paying the bills. For me, If I'm paying then I ought to be able to decide to attend a particular session of instruction or not. If someone else is paying then I ought to have an obligation to attend every second of instruction; especially if that someone else is being compelled to pay by force of law (i.e. taxes).
I answered almost all the questions either "agree" or "disagree"; only 2-3 were answered "strongly".
I thought the "naturally gay" question was also dishonest. Presumably the test would score one less libertarian for thinking that it often a learned behavior and answering accordingly. The test unfairly assumes that such an answer indicates that the answerer is also in favor of laws that strip freedoms from homosexuals that everyone else enjoys. It seems to me a devious kind of bigotry underlies a question used in this manner.
I am surprised I didn't have a bigger libertarian score. As I said I highly value my personal freedom. I believe that one the criminal questions I answered "strongly" in support of punishment over rehabilitation. Crimes are committed by the same people over and over. It's not a question of punishment as it is a question of keeping them in custody as long as possible so that they are unable to commit more crime. It's the reason "three Strikes" laws seem to be so effective.
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I find my self wondering if anyone scoring in the lower left corner are feeling any cognitive dissonance (//http://) by being simultaneously for freedom, state power and against economic freedom?
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Quote from: RickJ on Mon 29/11/2010 19:03:31I thought the "naturally gay" question was also dishonest. Presumably the test would score one less libertarian for thinking that it often a learned behavior and answering accordingly. The test unfairly assumes that such an answer indicates that the answerer is also in favor of laws that strip freedoms from homosexuals that everyone else enjoys. It seems to me a devious kind of bigotry underlies a question used in this manner.
You're reading things into it that isn't there. The statement is "No one can feel naturally homosexual", and when you agree/disagree it's not with whether or not people are born gay, it's with whether someone can *feel* that's the case. Basically your answer reveals how open you are to the subjective experience of others, it doesn't relate to objective reality at all.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&newname=straydogstrut&newec=-5.38&newsoc=-5.59)
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I have to agree there are a lot of loaded questions in there.
Neither of you guys read the Political Compass FAQ (http://politicalcompass.org/faq#faq1), did you?
QuoteSome of the questions are slanted
Most of them are slanted ! Some right-wingers accuse us of a leftward slant. Some left-wingers accuse us of a rightward slant. But it's important to realise that this isn't a survey, and these aren't questions. They're propositions - an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That's how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass.
Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.
Why of course not. That would be taking it seriously=P
QuoteSome of the questions are slanted
Most of them are slanted ! Some right-wingers accuse us of a leftward slant. Some left-wingers accuse us of a rightward slant. But it's important to realise that this isn't a survey, and these aren't questions. They're propositions - an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That's how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass.
Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.
eheheeh, translated to simple english "we've been caught more than once, but we still try talking ourself out of this sticky situation".
Or if we are to belive them, I vote for renaming this the "feelings and or prejudices in AGS" thread :P
Quote from: bicilotti on Mon 29/11/2010 19:46:56Or if we are to belive them, I vote for renaming this the "feelings and or prejudices in AGS" thread :P
Aren't "feelings and prejudices" more or less what it comes down to every time voting season comes around?
How could you agree or disagree with a neutral question?
on the cognitive dissonance question: I believe in *social* freedoms but I also believe that people need to be protected from complex issues (especially economic ones).
I have a theory that the fundamental difference between the left and right is one of trust.
The left tend to trust the establishment while the right trust the electorate.
Personally I think the electorate are stupid and/or misinformed on most issues (myself included).
Sure, the politically vocal may be more savvy but they arent the majority.
A prime example of this for me is the recent striking down of Prop 8
One of the main responses from the (social) right was that a single judge had overruled the Californian people.
But the fact of the matter is that I wouldnt want to trust the electorate at large with my rights.
Another example of this is climate change.
The left largely accepts the scientific consensus while the right question it as a means for the establishment to stealth-tax them.
I have seen so many right-wing propaganda machines with the tagline "What the experts arent telling you.".
It's becoming absurd.
This remind me a bit of the graph demonstrating the greatness of a poem from Dead Poets Society...
Nonetheless I'm quite pleased to have ended up way down in the green with all the other wet lefty AGSers who ought to get a haircut and start living in the real world.
Oh, self adding doesn't work?
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41
[EDIT] Some of the questions seemed rather stark, to the point where only a pyschopath would agree with them. I would be perfectly happy to disagree with a more nuanced version. For example:
"The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
I'd happily disagree with a question more like
"The main responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
or even
"One of the main responsibilities of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
or even
"One of the responsibilities of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
Though everything isn't always so black and white...
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Mon 29/11/2010 20:21:50
Some of the questions seemed rather stark, to the point where only a pyschopath would agree with them. I would be perfectly happy to disagree with a more nuanced version. For example:
"The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
some free market capitalists believe that.
They argue that they will *naturally* cause other social goods as a consequence.
For example BP only offered to clear up the gulf of mexico because it would a PR disaster (and a heavily finable crime) not to.
had there been no negative consequences for the company they wouldnt have intervened.
Well that was interesting. 4th quadrant for me.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Mon 29/11/2010 21:02:01
For example BP only offered to clear up the gulf of mexico because it would a PR disaster (and a heavily finable crime) not to.
had there been no negative consequences for the company they wouldnt have intervened.
I'm pretty sure BP isn't controlled by a single person, so it can't be compared to people to people taking the test (if that's what you meant).
If the actions of corporations were to be evaluated as those of real people, they'd mostly come off as psychopaths.
No I mean that capitalists would argue that BPs only responsibility is to their shareholders.
They argue that if a company works in the interest of its shareholders then it will naturally avoid negatively affecting society because negatively affecting society would have an impact on their business which would in turn reduce shareholders' profits.
So they would argue that BP's *ONLY* responsibility is to their shareholders and all other things will follow naturally from that according to market forces.
Ah. Now I understand what you were getting at.
But I think it's a bit of a incoherent view for a rightwing person to have - agreeing with the aforementioned sentence in the test and pretending they only want a free market and nothing else. If that person actually cared about the fact that social goods will *naturally* follow from the responsibility to shareholders, then I'd say that person believes that "Corporations are responsible for MUCH MORE than only delivering a profit to their shareholders".
Think of it this way:
- Nike employ people in the 3rd world to sew trainers
- they pay them *very* low wages
ok now someone on the left might argue that this is irresponsible and the company should pay decent wages to its employees even if it can legally pay them peanuts.
a capitalist however would argue like this:
- Nike employs people who otherwise would not have a job
- Having very low wages greatly increases the profits on the trainers and reduces the cost to the consumer (i.e Us)
- This means more people buy Nike trainers
- This means Nike can make more trainers
- Which means that more people in the third world have jobs and can feed their families
- and then the cycle repeats.
This is why businesses generally oppose the minimum wage, or rather how they justify opposing it.
They argue that it artificially sets the price of labour which is bad for society as a whole.
That's all very well, but in that capitalist's view the company is still (even if indirectly) responsible for the welfare of the employers. In fact, he argues that the employers benefit strongly from the company's behavior and that it's a good and moral thing in every possible way. So he can't then go on to say: "The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders."
I'm only questioning the logic of that sentence in the context of a "caring capitalist", not the soundness of some specific social/economical strategies when applied in practice.
Giving jobs to people is ok, a few things that are wrong are:
- often children work
- often working conditions are not appropriate
- they pay change to the workers -> small price of manufacturing -> they pay a marketing firm, a celebrity for promotion etc.
If the only social responsibility is profit, then why not blow up a competitor's factory, why not have slaves instead of workers...
Quote from: anian on Mon 29/11/2010 22:21:56
Giving jobs to people is ok, a few things that are wrong are:
- often children work
- often working conditions are not appropriate
- they pay change to the workers -> small price of manufacturing -> they pay a marketing firm, a celebrity for promotion etc.
If the only social responsibility is profit, then why not blow up a competitor's factory, why not have slaves instead of workers...
Well, at the very least, because they adhere to the laws of the land. It may be legal to pay next to nothing, but it isn't legal to hold slaves or commit arson, and if they did, they would get into legal trouble...therefore bad for the company as a whole, etc etc.
EDIT:
Also I think an update is in order.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&newname=Domithan&newec=2.75&newsoc=-5.13)
Well, I guess I'll be hanging out with Bicilotti and RickJ.....
(http://www.vanwijst.com/games/Published/chart.PNG)
Economic 5.75 (right), Social -0.31 (libertarian)
Like RickJ I thought all that "Multi-national Corporation" bogeyman nonsense added a laughable degree of bias to the survey. Still, I ended up more or less where I expected economically. I figured (also like RickJ) that I'd be more of a libertarian, but I guess deep down I'm cool with wrong-doers getting their ass kicked. Still, that must have cancelled out some equally libertarian radicalism to land me back in the centre....
Of all the hippy ranting I've read so far I thought Leafshade's theory of the right trusting the electorate and the left trusting the establishment was the most insightful. I agree with him that the electorate is basically selfish and stupid, but he loses me arguing for more control for the "establishment". Surely the "establishment" is as culpable, if not more so, for the pre-existing ills that they (supposedly) are so valiantly striving to remedy? To my mind, laws govern real people, so real people can provide the best feedback as to whether those laws are desirable or not. Are real people an inconvenience in utopia-building? You bet! But if your hippy climate-change legislation gets shot down because doubling gas-prices will sink a couple million voting citizens financially I don't see how your "value all humans" agenda is forwarded. Suddenly their kids aren't eating. I know! Let's regulate a school lunch program paid out of taxes! Oh, wait, we just lost 50% of tax revenue by beaming the economy back to the mid-twentieth century. Well, heck, let's borrow! Oh wait.... is there anyone from Ireland in the house? Greece? Britain? Having fun with that deficit reduction thing yet?
If these ideas like stopping climate change aren't moving forward consider that there is a reason, and it is that real people will be adversely impacted in a serious way. The trick is to make these changes more palatable, easing folk into lifestyle changes rather than setting their living standard back 60 years with some "establishment" regulation regime that will save the world. Don't fight the market, baby, use it.
I guess I've said my piece. Go on, vilify me. I said VILIFY!
There, fixed it for you:
Quote from: Baron on Tue 30/11/2010 03:35:10Well, I guess I'll be hanged with Bicilotti and RickJ.....
Viva La Revolución! :=
Quote from: GarageGothic on Tue 30/11/2010 03:38:05
Quote from: Baron on Tue 30/11/2010 03:35:10Well, I guess I'll be hanged with Bicilotti and RickJ.....
Hey, that's a misquote! Are you getting all multinational-corporation-misinformation-disseminating on my ass?
Quote from: Baron on Tue 30/11/2010 03:47:09
Quote from: GarageGothic on Tue 30/11/2010 03:38:05
Quote from: Baron on Tue 30/11/2010 03:35:10Well, I guess I'll be hanged with Bicilotti and RickJ.....
Hey, that's a misquote! Are you getting all multinational-corporation-misinformation-disseminating on my ass?
Don't listen to him, he's part of the bourgeois aristocracy! :P Anyhoo, I got:
Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21
Once again, a test shows that I'm a Left leaning Libertarian and I'm never surprised. I had a friend who got in the Upper Right corner under Facist. ;D
I don't get why some complain about the questions; I don't think the explanation they gave in the FAQ is a lame excuse for being caught trying to push people to the left/right (both? oh, wait).
Say there's a test that had only one question: "Is it OK to shoot people you don't like in the head?" As long as the creator of the test doesn't claim it is a perfect tool for finding out whether someone is a psychopath, why even bother saying things like "the test is bad because...".
So until you find out that the evaluation is completely messed up, please just do the test and find out where you stand relative to others that took the test.
Ended up in the cluster, can't even see myself on the crowd chart :P
Economic: -4.25 (left), Social: -6.15 (libertarian)
Well, it's pretty obviously biased. Their assertion that "some right-wingers" claim it has a leftish biased and "some left-wingers" claim it's biased the other way--and that implicitly, this means it must be balanced--strikes me as a pretty dishonest way of obscuring that issue. They're poisoning the well by painting their critics as extremists, and I highly doubt that the two stacks of complaints are comparable in size. I consider myself on the left/anti-authoritarian side (and their test places me in that quadrant, so they're not in a position to disagree), not a right-winger by any stretch, but I would still say that it's ludicrously biased to the left.
Also, if you read the FAQ and the other articles on the site, you can see that the assumptions are consistently left-leaning, and that the site has a clear agenda: showing that you are to the left of the politicians you admire and vote for. That's why I think the placing of the politicians is the most objectionable part of the test: they're clearly positioned based on the authors' cherry-picking of particular decisions, instead of their overall philosophy (or, you know, actual answers to the questions). This creates a completely opposite bias for politicians, which is in my opinion the main reason why they form a separate cluster in the top right. Like I mentioned earlier, when I simulated George W. Bush taking the test, he ended up much closer to the middle (which is reasonable, since he is not among the most conservative politicians even in his party).
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&newname=Dualnames&newec=-5.15&newsoc=1.55)
It seems to me, that I'm joining InCreator. I found the test rather dumb really.
LINK TO ADD YOURSELF (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&newname=Dualnames&newec=-5.15&newsoc=1.55)
I took Gandhis place ;D
Oh, what a good man I am...
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 30/11/2010 12:39:31Well, it's pretty obviously biased. Their assertion that "some right-wingers" claim it has a leftish biased and "some left-wingers" claim it's biased the other way--and that implicitly, this means it must be balanced--strikes me as a pretty dishonest way of obscuring that issue.
You're missing the point. They never claimed it was "balanced" because both right- and left-wingers have found it biased, it's not about being "equally" slanted in either direction. Their point was simply that yes, the statements are written as response triggers and people from both ends of the spectrum were pointing this out to them.
Quote from: anian on Mon 29/11/2010 22:21:56
If the only social responsibility is profit, then why not blow up a competitor's factory, why not have slaves instead of workers...
In capitalist system, workers
are slaves pretty much.
Just compare profits and wages.
I added myself yesterday but didn't realize the chart doesn't actually save the info so I went ahead and re-added myself again..
I also agree that several of these questions are loaded in the sense that they already presume conditions and then force choices on you when those conditions aren't necessarily something you'd agree with in the first place.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&newname=ProgZmax&newec=3.62&newsoc=-3.69)
BLARGH THIS URL IS BIG (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&newname=ProgZmax&newec=3.62&newsoc=-3.69)
Well bicilotti, after last nights discussion, I did it ::) You were right, 15 mins!
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
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I found the test rather dumb really.
Same
Quote from: ProgZmax on Tue 30/11/2010 15:01:38
I added myself yesterday but didn't realize the chart doesn't actually save the info so I went ahead and re-added myself again..
Same here...
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&newname=Gudforby&newec=-5.50&newsoc=-3.59)
The new URL (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&newname=Gudforby&newec=-5.50&newsoc=-3.59)
Huh? it doesn't?
Added myself:
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15) (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15)
I'm sticking out like a sore thumb up there.
Quote from: Atelier on Tue 30/11/2010 15:55:14
I'm sticking out like a sore thumb up there.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15&newname=Ponch&newec=4.88&newsoc=0.67) (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15)
Boom! Reinforcements have arrived!
Also, I'd like to point out that the AGS community is full of damn dirty hippies. Get a haircut and get a job you hippies!
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Edit: Because ProgZ told me to :P
Damn Ponch, I never knew you were so...forceful.
*blushes*
Make sure you guys copy and paste the url after you've added yourself...the chart doesn't save so the only means of propagating the changes is by updating the url.
Quote from: Ponch on Tue 30/11/2010 16:20:02
Also, I'd like to point out that the AGS community is full of damn dirty hippies. Get a haircut and get a job you hippies!
I have both a job and a social conscience!
I imagine you sold yours to the highest bidder whilst kicking small children in the face.
..your social conscience, not your job.
WITH GOLF SHOES ON!
Quote from: ProgZmax on Tue 30/11/2010 16:24:49
Damn Ponch, I never knew you were so...forceful.
You're damn right I am, son! I am a former sergeant in the U.S. military! I have seen combat, son! I have seen things that would send you cryin' home to your momma! Now drop and give me twenty!
Also, Calin, I am now a school teacher. So I kick children in the face every day. And they thank me for the privilege! Now you drop and give me twenty!
Quote from: Ponch on Tue 30/11/2010 16:34:43
So I kick children in the face every day.
I kick babies in the balls. Also damnit, you removed me Ponch, I demand justice and justin!!
Quote from: Dualnames on Tue 30/11/2010 16:40:41
I kick babies in the balls. Also damnit, you removed me Ponch, I demand justice and justin!!
I apologize,
Comrade. I was too busy saving this community from all the hippies. Accidents happen in war time! It's fixed now. But don't think I'm not keeping my eye on you and your other comrades over there in the red square. And don't try sneaking across the border to the blue square where life is clearly much better. Atelier is my first line of defense against commies like you. And don't think I'm not prepared to spend his life cheaply to preserve the freedom of everyone else in the blue square! (Which is only myself, but that's beside the point!)
I got my eye on you!!! ;)
Psh, American politics are so mainstream. I'm more interested in the politics of the small island nation of Niue. It's this little place in the South Pacific, you've probably never heard of it.
Oh wait, hippIES. Never mind, then! In any case, I scored somewhere between Stupot and Ascovel. Don't remember the numbers, but they were both around -1.
We have a winner!
Spoiler
Sorry, could not resist...
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&OceanSpirit%20Dennis=9.85%2C9.88&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15&newname=Ponch&newec=4.88&newsoc=0.67) (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&OceanSpirit%20Dennis=9.85%2C9.88&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&newname=Bulbapuck&newec=-4.25&newsoc=-6.15)
Quote from: tzachs on Tue 30/11/2010 16:59:39
We have a winner!
The strange thing is Ray is all the way over in the corner of the red square. The only way their love survives is that they learned to never discuss politics. ;)
Just to add food for thought, try to answer those questions (only 10 of them) and let me know if you're in the same quadrant or not.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
If you'll post scores there's a chance of me composing a png out of those
I get similar results, although that quiz puts me far more left and less libertarian.
I imagine the scale of that test is tuned for americans where the political scale is very very difference to western europe.
In America you are are a hardcore socialist if you want universal healthcare.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70% (I didn't get the point of the idcard)
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%
So pretty much the same.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%
So, yeah ;)
PERSONAL: 100%
ECONOMIC: 80%
PERSONAL: 70%
ECONOMIC: 20%
Liberal
Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.
Sounds about right.
Yep. Still says I'm a libertarian that leans slightly to the right.
Personal 80%
Economic 30%
Well then
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7641/finalsa.png)
I phail @ drawing
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%
Cool picture but shouldn't the stars be on gridlines?
I've added my stats to the list. linky linky link (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&OceanSpirit+Dennis=9.85%2C9.88&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progzmax=3.62%2C-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50%2C-3.59&Bulbapuck=-4.25%2C-6.15&newname=Barricus&newec=-1.75&newsoc=-6.21)
Plus another Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr9sOsAs54s) to lighten the mood of this political discussion.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%
LOL your iso thing Francescoid....guess I should do it under fear you might call me lazy if I don't, you right winged bastard!!! :P
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%
Now add me to Sim Politics, please!!! :=
I find it utterly unnecessary to have an internet quiz tell me my political allegiance. And yet...
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 0%
My bank account agrees with the ECONOMIC score, but the lack of a wild party going on around me makes me doubt my high PERSONAL rating...
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%
It says I'm a centrist with a small inclination to the left (liberal), this quiz is a little more accurate.
Nice chart btw bicilotti.
This whole quiz political thingamabob, what exactly is it going to tell me. I love Oceanspirit Dennis and Ponch, and they're both fascists. :D
I also respect RickJ a lot, and I saw he is that Korean Dictator. I also like bicilotti, and if I met him, he'd shoot me in the head. ;D
Quote from: Khris on Tue 30/11/2010 22:41:09
Cool picture but shouldn't the stars be on gridlines?
Thanks. In the iso-chart, if you look at a given axis, the foremost square counts as 100, the inmost as 10. That's why I need a plank for Ali :P
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8743/finalww.png)
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%
Puts me over near Progz.
Quote from: bicilotti on Wed 01/12/2010 01:14:09
Quote from: Khris on Tue 30/11/2010 22:41:09
Cool picture but shouldn't the stars be on gridlines?
Thanks. In the iso-chart, if you look at a given axis, the foremost square counts as 100, the inmost as 10. That's why I need a plank for Ali :P
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8743/finalww.png)
Hehe AGSVille :D Thanks Bici! Love you! :=
Quote from: RickJ on Wed 01/12/2010 02:36:54
Puts me over near Progz.
Welcome to the cool quadrangle, Rick. We're the exclusive, upscale, hippie-free, gated community in AGSville. Enjoy your stay. Limpingfish should be along with your "Welcome to the neighborhood" fruit basket and a complimentary bald hamster. (Be sure to keep the little guy warm!)
Nobody is Switzerland here? I'm alone in my block.
I got :
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
Pure Libertarian! Libertas lux vita!
Barricus- you are officially invited to CLUB AWESOME.
(http://www.vanwijst.com/games/Published/chart.PNG)
LATEST CHART UBER-URL (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50,-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88,-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12,-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62,-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75,-1.23&Khris=-3.75,-5.18&Wyz=-5.00,-5.90&Cat=-2.88,-5.28&CWizard=-6.75,-2.92&Jared=-5.75,-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88,-4.82&Increator=-5.50,2.05&Babar=-4.88,-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75,-3.90&Tuomas=-5.88,-6.10&IndieBoy=-2.00,-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12,-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88,-6.10&Wersus=-6.00,-2.62&Tier=-3.55,-1.79&Atelier=0.25,3.69&Stee=-4.38,-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12,-7.38&RickJ=6.78,-0.97&Domithan=2.75,-5.13&Dualnames=-5.15,1.55&Progzmax=3.62,-3.69&Gudforby=-5.50,-3.59&newname=Baron&newec=5.75&newsoc=-0.31)
I couldn't find a version where other prominent right-wingers had added themselves -hopefully they'll reenter their info and update the url.
In the happily-biased-towards-the-libertarian-right quiz I got PERSONAL 80% and ECONOMIC 80%, and I'm happy with that. There were no questions about brutalizing the criminal element so I didn't bounce back towards the centre this time.
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2944/final01.png)
Latest updated image:
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And latest updated link (http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform=&Stupot=-2.50%2C-2.51&Wonkyth=-3.88%2C-2.82&Calinleafshade=-4.12%2C-6.26&Jon+Swe=-9.62%2C-6.51&Batwitch=-2.75%2C-1.23&Khris=-3.75%2C-5.18&Wyz=-5.00%2C-5.90&Cat=-2.88%2C-5.28&CWizard=-6.75%2C-2.92&Jared=-5.75%2C-0.92&Brutalslakt=-3.88%2C-4.82&Increator=-5.50%2C2.05&Babar=-4.88%2C-3.38&Bicilotti=4.75%2C-3.90&Phemar=-3.50%2C-4.82&GG=-6.62%2C-7.44&Matti=-8.12%2C-8.51&IndieBoy=-2.00%2C-3.64&Ascovel=-0.12%2C-1.54&Nikolas=-2.88%2C-6.10&Wersus=-6.00%2C-2.62&Tier=-3.55%2C-1.79&Atelier=0.25%2C3.69&Stee=-4.38%2C-3.08&Al+Ninio=-7.12%2C-7.38&RickJ=6.78%2C-0.97&Tuomas=-5.88%2C-6.10&Straydog=-5.38%2C-5.59&Steve+Mccrea=-5.58%2C-4.41&Limping+Fish=-4.38%2C-6.15&Domithan=2.75%2C-5.13&Baron=5.75%2C-0.31&Bulbapuck=-4.25%2C-6.15&Dualnames=-5.15%2C1.55&Progz=3.62%2C-3.69&M0ds=-2.88%2C-2.36&newname=Ponch&newec=4.88&newsoc=0.67)
I'm thinking I'll update with numbers or a legend or something, and fill in some stuff with MATLAB or some such, to make a neater chart, maybe with the average AGS position and such :D.
According to the test bici posted:
My PERSONAL issues Score is 60%
My ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%
making me a Centrist, which actually seems more logical.
Which I suppose gives credence to the argument that the original test is biased towards the left.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Wed 01/12/2010 04:17:15
Barricus- you are officially invited to CLUB AWESOME.
Do we get hats in CLUB AWESOME? I bring this up because I look good in hats.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 10%
That said this test is ridiculous - these are just 10 random questions each one giving you the same amount of points.
Consent for drugs gives you 20% - same as wishing for free speech and everything else.
Ali's plank is ridiculous, and hilarious :D
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%
but I feel the latter test is unequipped. A lot of issues were put a bit too bluntly. I have the feeling it is more equipped for american citizens. But ohwell, put me up. :P
QuoteDo we get hats in CLUB AWESOME?
Hat parties every Friday.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Wed 01/12/2010 15:02:12
Hat parties every Friday.
Can we invite Dualnames to the party? He looks so lonely in his part of town. Like a hobo or some crazy guy living out of a shopping cart.
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I say, let's blow up the bridge under Babar and see him fall in the political abyss!
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Where is he?
On the other image.
Here's what I got for the Uber-AGS ZX Spectrum.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%
So we're having libertarians, leftists, a handful of centrists and a convervative.
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We're missing a dictator!
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%
But just like in the other quiz most questions were based on premises whom I'd prefer to engage instead of 'subcategories' determined by already given assumptions. If the questions are wrong, there's no right answer.
Quote from: Atelier on Wed 01/12/2010 17:43:25
Here's what I got for the Uber-AGS ZX Spectrum.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%
10%? really?
If you dont mind me asking:
What was your maybe?
And if you're pro government censorship exactly what form of censorship are you thinking of?
Censoring anti-government sentiments?
or censoring morally-objectionable material like porn and/or 'obscene materials' (books etc.)
And if you are pro-'bedroom laws' how do you justify that?
To promote the traditional family?
To protect a certain stratum of society?
Or something else i havent thought of?
Quote from: Ponch on Wed 01/12/2010 15:35:02
Quote from: ProgZmax on Wed 01/12/2010 15:02:12
Hat parties every Friday.
Can we invite Dualnames to the party? He looks so lonely in his part of town. Like a hobo or some crazy guy living out of a shopping cart.
I've seen the future, you're all gonnnaaaa dieeee!!! The end is niggghhhh!!I welcome Indieboy to ClubEPICAWESOME!!
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Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Wed 01/12/2010 19:41:39
10%? really?
Well apart from the fact it's not a very in depth set of questions, it's simply the way I interpret them.
"Government should not censor speech, press, media, or internet." I disagree. Obviously there are some lines which the media shouldn't cross. Say for example a TV station started broadcasting radical material. Nobody would be able to stop them.
"Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft." This one was a maybe because press-ganging is simply wrong; but on the other hand, saying
no draft full-stop means that in times of global war, we couldn't summon the men which we would need.
"There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults." I disagreed with this. The key word I picked out is
no laws. I believe there should be at least some restrictions, against incestuous relationships for example.
So in your opinion people don't have sufficient abilities to properly regulate any aspect of their lives by themselves? By nature they are insensitive cowards with no control over their sexual urges?
That's some extremely pessimistic view.
I read the censorship statement a different way; I took it to say "Government shouldn't censor" as opposed to "they can censor at their whim". Sedition is unlawful in Germany, so there's no need to censor radical material.
Also, no draft doesn't mean there aren't "enough" soldiers (how many is enough anyway?)
The US doesn't draft and they don't seem to be running out of soldiers.
Regarding no laws concerned with sex of consenting adults except against incest, what about people who fall in love and two years into their blossoming relationship find out they are brother and sister? And what else would you outlaw?
Sorry I never posted my %'s.
100% and 90%.
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Quote from: Ascovel on Wed 01/12/2010 21:27:10
So in your opinion people don't have sufficient abilities to properly regulate any aspect of their lives by themselves? By nature they are insensitive cowards with no control over their sexual urges?
That's some extremely pessimistic view.
Um... seriously Ascovel? When did I say or even imply
any of this?
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what about people who fall in love and two years into their blossoming relationship find out they are brother and sister?
Khris, sex and love are completely different things. Of course I wouldn't make it illegal for siblings to love each other, but I believe when it escalates into inbreeding it's just wrong on many fronts. It's been proven scientifically countless times. On the
extremely rare occasion they don't know their connection, there's not much you can do.
Quote from: Atelier on Thu 02/12/2010 15:57:48
Quote from: Ascovel on Wed 01/12/2010 21:27:10
So in your opinion people don't have sufficient abilities to properly regulate any aspect of their lives by themselves? By nature they are insensitive cowards with no control over their sexual urges?
That's some extremely pessimistic view.
Um... seriously Ascovel? When did I say or even imply any of this?
Well, at least that's my way of reasoning about the introduction of any laws or rules - you introduce outside control and limit freedom only in the areas where huge amounts of people have a tendency to make dangerous/destructive choices. So, if you say "saying no draft full-stop means that in times of global war, we couldn't summon the men which we would need", it seems to me that, in your opinion, in the face of global war most people are cowards and rather than voluntarily fight would prefer to procrastinate while the war consumes everything. Otherwise, why would you want to pass such a law?
Quote from: Ascovel on Thu 02/12/2010 16:31:23
in your opinion, in the face of global war most people are cowards
No. My assumption is that the vast majority
aren't cowards, so everybody is automatically signed up. As for the pacifists, un-fit, or whatever, their appeals will be judged fairly and accordingly.
If they are not cowards than why do you have them to sign up automatically, rather than let them sign up voluntarily?
Because opt-out would be much more convenient than opt-in, both time-wise and management-wise.
On the subject on incest it's not *that* much of a problem from a breeding perspective.
Studies show only about a 4-6% increased chance of significant birth defects in the first generation. *after* the first generation it becomes much higher.
But the chances of birth defects are raised significantly higher in other *legal* pairings.
For example, 2 parents with recessive genes for a certain illness have a 25% chance of passing it on. Should they be denied the chance to have a child?
I fail to see the difference.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Thu 02/12/2010 20:11:59
On the subject on incest it's not *that* much of a problem from a breeding perspective.
Studies show only about a 4-6% increased chance of significant birth defects in the first generation. *after* the first generation it becomes much higher.
But the chances of birth defects are raised significantly higher in other *legal* pairings.
For example, 2 parents with recessive genes for a certain illness have a 25% chance of passing it on. Should they be denied the chance to have a child?
I fail to see the difference.
Plus, how many people do you know who are romantically involved with a sibling? Sure you hear about it on the news, but that's why they have it on, because it's unique. It seems like incest laws affect a very small amount of the population, where as same sex marriage laws affect not only the 10% of people who are gay, but also their families and friends.
Quote from: Atelier on Thu 02/12/2010 17:10:35
Because opt-out would be much more convenient than opt-in, both time-wise and management-wise.
Convenience is a fair enough motive.
Though the price for it is that the government decides for you what wars are important to fight and if you personally should participate in the fighting or not. In other words, they can legally punish people who oppose a war, easily pretend there is a military threat where there isn't one, as well as disregard any reasons a person might have not to become a soldier. Perfect means to, for example, get rid of a political opposition, gain more control etc.
So I much prefer citizens to be able to make this kind of choices by themselves, even if it takes more time.
I think there are serious arguments in favor of subscription in terms of making sure the military is "of the people, for the people". It might make it more difficult for a divergent military sub-culture with different political views to evolve, and could thereby make military coups less likely. You might also imagine that by giving all citizens basic military training, they're more capable of defending themselves against a potentially tyrannical government, should it come to that.
And vice versa, if everyone has some experience serving, they might have a better understanding of what it means to be a soldier. It would almost certainly mean taking war less lightly, because so many would be personally affected. (The draft was probably the main reason why there was such strong opposition to the Vietnam War.) I disagree that having conscription gives the government more power to decide which wars to fight. On the contrary, it makes the politics of going to war much trickier.
Whether conscription or a professional military is best for a country arguably depends on the political and defense situation it is in, which military capabilities are most relevant, and the funding available. In my opinion it's not primarily a question of personal freedom vs. state authority.
Quote from: Snarky on Fri 03/12/2010 10:34:45
I disagree that having conscription gives the government more power to decide which wars to fight. On the contrary, it makes the politics of going to war much trickier.
I was talking mainly about the government being able to legally summon normal people to serve as soldiers whenever it wants. The more power the government has has to dictate the citizens what to do, the less it needs to fear their opposition and not vice versa.
Quote from: Snarky on Fri 03/12/2010 10:34:45
You might also imagine that by giving all citizens basic military training, they're more capable of defending themselves against a potentially tyrannical government, should it come to that.
Strongly disagree, military service everywhere is first and foremost a training to obey without questioning. Fertile ground for totalitarian goverments.
The "blind obedience" idea is usually overstated. Conscripts may learn the discipline and organization necessary to work in a hierarchy, but a person with strong convictions or without loyalty to the leadership is not going to give up their critical, questioning mind just based on army drills. And even if active-duty soldiers are blindly obedient, that can hardly be expected to extend past their dismissal into their civilian lives.
Many (though by no means all) resistance fighters, partisans, rebels and revolutionaries, from Washington to Mao, had military training, which often has given them the expertise needed to mount armed resistance. Perhaps the best example is Tito, who served in the Austro-Hungarian army and in the Red Guard before becoming an underground revolutionary and eventually the head of perhaps the most effective resistance force during WWII, the Yugoslav Partisans.
As long as war and the military continues to be glamorized in action movies and games like Modern Warfare, the US will have a steady stream of willing volunteers. I don't really have anything against either, but I can't tell you how many rednecks I knew in high school who couldn't wait to enlist. Legal obligation to join the military via the draft probably isn't as effective as good old fashioned advertisement, not in the form of billboards or web banners, but though a glamorized vision of shooting down those damn, dirty terrorists with sophisticated modern weaponry.
But that's just my opinion.
EDIT: I scored 70% and 70%
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Is it odd that I'm enjoying watching how AGSville fills in? The hippie-filled slums are getting crowded, naturally. And even CLUB AWESOME is starting to get a little crowded for my libertarian tastes. Meanwhile, the park in the middle of town is starting to assemble a motley collection of bums and drifters. (Good thing CLUB AWESOME is a gated community. That way they'll be forced to prey on the hippies over in the rent-controlled housing units to the West.) Babar and ddq have taken up residence under bridges, like the refined hobos that they are. Ali still hasn't decided whether or not he's going to jump or come in from his ledge. And Atelier seems to be settling in nicely in his enormous castle. I can't wait until the hippies work their nerve up and storm it in an attempt to turn his giant private swimming pool into some sort of communal and disease ridden public affair. And to the south, the mysterious, unexplored Quadrangle of Mystery awaits a collection of explorers bold enough to explore the sinister abandoned trailer parks that slumber in their overgrown lots.
At the moment, it's another great day in AGSville.
But dark clouds are gathering...
;)
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Quote from: Ponch on Sat 04/12/2010 15:34:10
Is it odd that I'm enjoying watching how AGSville fills in? The hippie-filled slums are getting crowded, naturally. And even CLUB AWESOME is starting to get a little crowded for my libertarian tastes. Meanwhile, the park in the middle of town is starting to assemble a motley collection of bums and drifters. (Good thing CLUB AWESOME is a gated community. That way they'll be forced to prey on the hippies over in the rent-controlled housing units to the West.) Babar and ddq have taken up residence under bridges, like the refined hobos that they are. Ali still hasn't decided whether or not he's going to jump or come in from his ledge. And Atelier seems to be settling in nicely in his enormous castle. I can't wait until the hippies work their nerve up and storm it in an attempt to turn his giant private swimming pool into some sort of communal and disease ridden public affair. And to the south, the mysterious, unexplored Quadrangle of Mystery awaits a collection of explorers bold enough to explore the sinister abandoned trailer parks that slumber in their overgrown lots.
At the moment, it's another great day in AGSville.
But dark clouds are gathering...
;)
This might actually be a cool premise for a game...