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[Nacho]

Dear Las, by that rule of three, it should be stupid to try to code any natural item with a "word".

Why an Orange is an Orange and no a "Hmpspzkd?"

Items, actions, adjectives... must be named after something. Calling soccer football is way more logical to call American football football. That is out of discussion. Football (European one) is the one who keeps using contact with the feet and ball.

It doesn't matter to me if a form of American football was played in Florence is the XVth century. That was "Calcio", nothing to see with "feet" or "ball". Football was invented in England, before american football. As soon as it was evident that "football" had more contact with the feet against the ball, the sports derivated from "calcio" (American football, specially, which was invented later) should have been name in another way.

Another discussion are the other sports derivated from calcio, which are older than "football", like Rugby or Australian football. I wouldn't mind if we call "football" "English football" or "European football" in homage to those sports which are older.

Another discussion, as Anarcho wisely added, is that you can't change the costumes of hundreds of millions of North Americans. I agree with that. But agreeing that we can't change something which is deeply stablished does not mean that this is correct.

I also agree that the people of the United States will allways be known as "americans", but that is uncorrect. When we say "americans", if we think propperly, we should think in people from Chile, Mexico, Brasil, Canada...

I think, after reading Anarcho's post, that we agree. But I can't agree with you that we can reach to an agreement to name something (using logic) if there are different sports which challenge for the right to be called in that way.

[shbaz]

I think it's funny that you are in the band and ecstatic about the performance of the football team because I've always been far more interested in the bands performance.

If you hit a bowl game in or around Oklahoma let me know. I might not go to the game, but I'm all about road trips.

[Kinoko]

Argh, the dreaded `football/soccer` debate.

I'll fix this for everyone - please just shut up about it.

Some people will always call one game soccer, some people will always call it football. Some people will always hate that others call it football, some people will always hate that others call it soccer.

You know how much it matters? It doesn't. This discussion happens about a million times all over the world at any given time. Is it ever resolved? No. The people that call it soccer still call it soccer and the people that call it football still call it football. Everyone gets annoyed at each other and nothing is achieved.

What would be nice is if people could just accept it. You don't have to like it, but just try to read which particular game people are talking about from the context, and accept that that's the way they talk about the game, and probably most other people from their culture too.

If I talk about `football` in Australia, other Australians know I mean either AFL or rugby league. At least my friends do, so thats all that matters. That we understand each other. If I talk about the same game with people overseas, I specify. If I hear non-Australians, or Australians who are hard core soccer fans say 'football', I typically know they mean what I call `soccer`, or whichever football game is typically played in their country.

Demanding people from other cultures use the term you do, whether or not it's the original term or the most commonly used, or whether or not it's the most logical, is just pointless.

We all know the way it works so let's accept it and let the people taking part in this thread talk about their respective games.

Christ, people The debate is just too old. Please, please let's leave it alone this time.

[Gilbert]

Hehe, no need to debate, just call it "蹴踘", the ancient Chinese name of a sport, which Football originated from.

[shbaz]

Kinoko, that's an interesting prospect.

In fact, I think there are few problems that couldn't be solved if people would just STFU. 

[Nikolas]

In fact, I think there are few problems that couldn't be solved if people would just STFU.Ã, 

I second that!

And of course, Kinoko, since your are now in Japan, I live in the Uk, and we talk from people all around the world, through here and through elsewhere, why not find a way to communicate?

On the other hand, I might as well STFU

[SSH]

Personally, I dont care which sport or what its called, as long as Scotland do well and England do badly.

[Las Naranjas]

Avoid the Cricket today then SSH.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Ok, now I'm all confused. If "American Football" is Football and "European Football" is Soccer, what the heck is Rugby, which I always thought to be "American Football"?

[Las Naranjas]

American football is partially derived from Rugby, but it's a completely seperate sport. It is so called because it was played first at the Rugby school in England.

There are two seperate forms of Rugby to boot, which, like Association Football (soccer), is named for it's first governing body.

Oh, and Canadian football is seperate to American Football.

By and large, oval ball with players wearing padding with 70 billion players where only 5 get to touch the ball. American football.

15 players without padding where everyone touches the ball whilst dropping it and flailing their arms around unprofessionally. Rugby union.

13 players acting somewhat like the last lot, except competently and entertainingly. Rugby League.

Note there is also Australian football and Gaelic Football, which are related. The former uses an oval ball on an oval field, the latter uses a round ball on a rectangular field with what looks like Rugby goalposts.

See, there are a billion-zillion sports called football, and no one of them owns the title, except in the smallest of minds.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Wow. Last time I was this confoozled was when I learned about all the variants of poker.

Good thing I don't really care about any form of football/soccer/rugby/brainmElTdOwN

[Nacho]

I think you're getting too close to the inslult Las, saying that "my mind is small" or that I my opinion is "stupid". Please reconsider. I don't think I've been that offensive against you, or agains your ideas.

I am not claiming that european football must be football and all the others must change its name. I am just claiming that calling "european football" football is the most logical. As said before, I KNOW that calling all those sports derivated from calcio and football will ever be know as "football" in their original counties and "XXXX fooball" in the others. I don't even complain, I am just giving my opinion, which is so valid as yours, I think.

Thanks.

[Andail]

I agree. As much as one might enjoy debating, one can actually avoid using empty insults like "foolish", "stupid" and "small minded" or whatever.

Especially in these very mundane debates.

[Pumaman]

Argh, the dreaded `football/soccer` debate.

I'll fix this for everyone - please just shut up about it.

But this sort of national culture thing is a good way of preparing us for the inevitable "we don't celebrate it in my country" replies when someone posts a Happy Thanksgiving thread!

[shbaz]

You don't celebrate Thanksgiving?

I thought it was an internationally recognized event, like the fourth of July..