R.I.P. Stanley Williams

[shitar]

F*ck American justice.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

I'm confused...

[vict0r]

Sorry if im completely off here... But who is this Stanley Williams? And what has that got to do with american justice?

[Nikolas]

I could be mistake, but isn't he the black guy who was sentenced to death and was executed today in California, by lovely Mr. Muscle?

Is it American justise, or is it the death penatly?
And anyway he was guilty of killing people, right?

For the record, I am against death penalty, no matter what he/she did! And being in hor blooded situation, where you are the father./mother/family of a muredered child, it my provoce killing instinct, but still it is not justice!

[Squinky]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aVyT7vELrcWM&refer=us

[ManicMatt]

Sorry, I know very little on the this topic, but what i can see from a brief google visit is that this guy was on death row, but people didn't want him to be executed for his anti-crime campaigns, conviently forgetting that he's a murderer. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[Squinky]

I don't see what the big deal is? Is it because he is black?

Or because he has (according to the article) suddenly started "good-works" within the last 5 years? Hmmm, a little suspicous if you ask me.

He killed a lot of people in cold blood according to that article, I'd be more saddned by the victims of his violent crimes than by his death.

Also, the supreme court unanimously turned down his habeas corpus appeal, meaning not one member saw any reason to stay the execution....

[shitar]

Maybe you should read his books first?

[Squinky]

Maybe you should read his books first you ignorant piece of shit.

Okay......

So how about this: (and this is hypothetical and in no means meant to be threatening) If I came over there and murdered your family, got the death penalty, was in prison for most of my life and then suddenly starting writing books called "Why you shouldn't Kill Shitars family" it would be cool then? It's kinda like how everybody finds religion in jail, then when they get out they suddenly forget it.

And really kid, grow up before posting on these forums....

And no, I won't read his books. Just like I won't watch any movies about serial killers and read their books either. America has a way of trying to glorify murderers and horrible criminals, I will reserve my time and respect for other things.

[Nikolas]

I think that this is not a nice thing to say Shitar.

Squinky: I think that America is one of the last countries that have death penalties. Do you find this right or wrong? I mean death is the end. Nothing to do! Nothing to be sorry about. Nothing to redeem. And you say that some people deserve to die? Of course I find it suspicious too that he started writting books 5 years ago (of course I haven't googled anything, but I will. For now I base everything I say to the information here.), but still, nobody deserves to die. No matter what they did. Because this way you prevent them the 1/1000000 (maybe less maybe more, but there is at leat that), opportunity to say and feel sorry for what they did. Either way, locked up in a prison cell, means that they are not a danegr to the community, so why kill them? So we can satisfie the family of the victims? Will this bring them back? (<-A little Hollywood here...)

[shitar]

Maybe you should read his books first you ignorant piece of shit.

Okay......

So how about this: (and this is hypothetical and in no means meant to be threatening) If I came over there and murdered your family, got the death penalty, was in prison for most of my life and then suddenly starting writing books called "Why you shouldn't Kill Shitars family" it would be cool then? It's kinda like how everybody finds religion in jail, then when they get out they suddenly forget it.

And really kid, grow up before posting on these forums....

Have you read his books?

[Nacho]

Maybe we should read books wrote by people in death row...

But then, after that, we should work in where Squinky does, so we would have the two versions, the two sides of the coin.

After that, we might not agree with Squinky, but we'll surelly be sympathetic enough with people working in prisons to respect his opinions and not calling then "Ignorant piece of shit".

And we might learn to develope threads, as well... "F*ck american justice" is not ok, realise people had to post 4 times before realising what were you talking about... Ã, 

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

I really don't see how the american justice system did any wrong here.  The man was a gang founder and leader.  He killed four people, which was proven in a court of law.  It seems to me like capital punishment, in this case, was (to paraphrase george washington) a "grim necessity".

And shitar, I haven't read his books and (i'm guessing) squinky didn't either.  But it looks to me like Arrested Development from this point of view:  the criminal father goes to jail, becomes extremely religeous and makes all kinds of books and videos.  The second he gets out, he's the same old bastard he was before.  Except in this case, the man committed crimes far worse.

[shitar]

And no, I won't read his books. Just like I won't watch any movies about serial killers and read their books either. America has a way of trying to glorify murderers and horrible criminals, I will reserve my time and respect for other things.

Ã,  Ã, Okay, than don't act like you understand the mind of every criminal in the world. He was given the death penalty for a crime he did 25 years ago. He was given death because they believed his mindset could not be changed for good to humanity TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO. They should have killed him on the spot, that would have been justice because he would have been killed in his criminal state. Instead he lived for 25 more years, 6 in solitary confinement, and I do believe 25 years (especially 6 in solitary confinement) is enough to turn your way of thinking around.

Ã,  Ã, Another reason you are ignorant is in believing he's only been writing for 5 years. He's been NOMINATED since 2001 for a Nobel Peace Prize because of his literature but he had been doing it even before then. Mainly after his confinement. But Im sure none of this matters to you because you have taken the American Justice Never Fails 101 class. Wonder what would have happened if he killed 25 people and pleaded insanity. He would probably have a boat right now.

[lo_res_man]

 I consider at times a death sentense can be merciful. bear with me ok? think about it, life and i mean LIFE in jail, or death by lethel injection. your "dead" anyway if you get life, so it might be considered more merciful to die then to live the rest of your days in hell. I'm undecided on the issue my self, but i thought i'd just play devils advocate. Ã, btw "f*ck american justice" is more immature then that Ã, bush/hitler poster, so if we want a discussion and debate lets debate, but unclear staitments just to get posts is rather rude..

[Nikolas]

I honestly agree with you Shitar, but I still can't believe the way you post in here. Don't you think that a better way of posting will "earn you" more points. First of all it's not Squinkys fault. Second Squinky and everybody else have a right to their opinion. You can argue but not patronise.

I find it completly idiotic to kill somebody after 25 years, or for something he did 25 years ago, while you have kept him for 25 years in jail, including 6 in solidary confinement. There is no use there except terrorism.

Yes the word is in bold! I mean the only reason I can think of, for killing anyone, is to make an example, to show that "if you do that you'll get caught and killed". And further I see every fortnight some show called "Americas wildests police chase". Stupid! Trying to terrify anyone they can.

It seems that American system is based on fear and not on right vs wrong. IMO! IMHO! I'm not American and don't know a lot about that, but this is the impression I'm getting!

Now, Squinky do you work in a prison? This is what I understand from Farlanders post.

[Tiki]

shitar- had they killed him on the spot, he would have never written those wonderful books about butterflies and antigangery!

So, anyway.  When is his next book coming out?

Oh.  Wait.  Er..

[Squinky]

I don't act like I understand the minds of any Criminals, and I don't care to. Seriously, I don't care if he's turned into the frigging pope in there, there are some things which can't be undone, no matter how many times you say sorry.

I can't argue for either sides of the death penalty issue, and I can't argue for incarceration of anyone. First off with the death penalty there are major issues with cost, but then again confining someone to life in prison is damned expensive....You know what the first thing a lot of folks say when they are going to prison for a few years? They laugh at the fact that the State is going to have to pay for their medical expenses, seriously. A large chunk of America's tax revenue goes straight to fixing up meth addicts rotten teeth and all the health issues that come with way over-doing drugs.....

And I don't believe incarcerationg someone works either, on any but a few people. Career criminals think of jail time as a vacation, they are so instituitionalized that some of them even prefer being locked up. It's a big waste of everyones time.

But thats not the issue here. The issue I see here is someone trying to play the race card and get out of his punishment (which I can't blame him for, I wouldn't want to die, especially in those circumstances. But then again, his victims didn't want to either...)
and to show how he suddenly has become this great guy and some sort of martyr because of this. He would never have written those books (in my opinion) if he hadn't gone to prision and been told to do so by his defense attourney.


Edit---

And yes, I was a supervisor in a Detention facility for about 5 years. I quit that job recently though. I never adopted the "cop" attitude if thats what you are thinking, though it's hard not to notice many sad aspects of humanity. I try to be liberal about my views, but they may be colored by having to deal with many of the worst behaved people on this planet.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

But Im sure none of this matters to you because you have taken the American Justice Never Fails 101 class.

And no one ever said it never fails.  I find myself happier believing that i'm protected by it, but such is not the case.  Many innocent people go to jail unjustly, but many more guilty people do their time.

Wonder what would have happened if he killed 25 people and pleaded insanity

He'd be in a rubber room for the rest of his life being fed meals with happy pills hidden in them and a syringe up his butt...

I do believe 25 years (especially 6 in solitary confinement) is enough to turn your way of thinking around.

Sometimes, that's not the case.  It's hard to just change your way of life, and completely change your actions just because of a damp hole you're locked in... especially if you know that if you play your cards right you can get out.
He shotgunned 4 people.  He tried to kill jail guards, and threw chemicals at them.  He wasn't some kind old guy feeding cornbread to "Mr. Jingles".

t seems that American system is based on fear and not on right vs wrong.

Somewhat true, actually.  A bad man both instills fear, and should be kept away from respectful citizens, but should also be punished.  Half and half, really....

[shitar]

You don't believe in redemption, then?