First off, I'm aware this is essentially arguing in public (not that #ags isn't public already), but I think this is important.
Some of you will be aware we just started running a community radio based around IRC. I'm particularly interested in this, because it gives me a chance to encounter bands and music I would probably not have heard otherwise, as well as the chance to play my own selection.
What I don't appreciate is people who deem themselves experts dictating what is 'good' and what is not. It's not even as if it's given as an opinion. It's just "This song is bad. This band is bad." It could be true, but I don't think so. I'd like to think my selection is very varied and of a good calibre. I could be wrong but general consensus would suggest not.
Personally, I think it's a very wounding thing to do. Not only are you insulting their taste in music, but their entire cultural leaning. I try to steer clear of degrading other people's opinions in such matters, because it's not my place to do so.
So, people who would call themselves masters of music - connoisseurs, maybe, please, have some respect for others and their selection. Don't tell people your opinion as if it was fact. Don't humiliate users who simply want to listen and play music.
I'm aware of the free speech argument here, but there is freedom, and then there is license.
I appreciate you can't please everyone, but it's horrible to be told, quite offhand, that your music is inferior.
If someone states that "This or that song is bad", I find it obvious that they're stating their opinion (synomymous with "It is my opinion that this or that song is bad".). Obviously, works of art can't be said to be unquestionably bad or good, so any statement about this would be a statement about someone's subjective opinion.
I agree fully that insulting someone's aesthetic taste is a bad thing, but I see no reason to avoid stating your own (highly subjective) taste just to avoid arguments with people who think that words can only mean what the dictionary says and nothing more.
Flip, when I start ragging on your musical tastes, I try to explain why I dislike the band/artist/song. Ã, At the same time, you've poked fun at my taste in things before, I've just haven't taken it as badly.
"I try to steer clear of degrading other people's opinions in such matters, because it's not my place to do so".
You got a laugh out of it most times, so I'm sure this isn't the case.
"Don't tell people your opinion as if it was fact".
This whole thing stemmed from someone saying, "Ugh. Scissor Sisters". Ã, I think you're reading far too much into things, taking a generalisation as being a personal attack on you.
"..it's horrible to be told, quite offhand, that your music is inferior".
How do you think Vel feels? Even you wind him up.
Everyone will give their opinions on what is being played:
[17:31:30] * Flippy_D hits the person playing Adradio
...
[17:31:39] <Flippy_D> I don't want the ambient soundtrack o_o
[17:31:48] <Hotspot16> noone cares what you want
[17:31:59] <Flippy_D> It's just... seagulls.
[17:33:28] <Flippy_D> Oh great, now it's just jungle noise.
[17:33:36] <Flippy_D> SAY, THIS IS RIVITING :P
You think Scissor Sisters is worth playing and jungle noise isn't, others might think the opposite.
Don't get so offended, perhaps it is because you'd like to think your "selection is very varied and of a good calibre" that you get upset. Everyone else expects to get abuse for their bad taste ;)
You do usually have some listeners, no less on average than other people. So just ignore it :P
Flippy, just wait until I play my S Club 7 selection, then see if you can keep your mouth shut :=
That's all valid. I have no argument with it (with the exception of scotch's example, but I'm pretty sure that was a joke).
However, certain people treat it with such cold disdain it's hard not to be riled. It's like they've stepped in something disgusting. I wasn't overly pissed off with the comment Iqu highlighted by itself, it's just that it was symbolic of pretty much all that I hate about what I've already talked of.
Jesus.
Why the hell should you get offended if someone doesn't share your musical tastes, and chooses to tell you so? If they don't like your tastes, they can simply not listen. If they choose to tell you they don't like the music, so what, YOU like it, and that's the important thing, surely? Only about two of the shows on AdRadio so far have actually played things I wanted to listen to, and I've told the DJs concerned. They didn't moan about it, they just ignored me, which is what they should do :P
I also get very sad and angry when people say "How can you listen to this CRAP, this song sucks! We want to hear the teletubbies soundtrack, not the Pulp fiction one! D:<"
It makes me sad. what's wrong with "I don't like this one".
I admit, I hate half of the stuff I hear on ADRadio. But I dont sit and bicker about it, well, unless it's Al. ;) I sit and listen anyways. I bet that the local radio station that you love so much plays crappy music from time to time.
Quote from: AGA on Sun 26/09/2004 18:05:56
They didn't moan about it, they just ignored me, which is what they should do :P
Yes, everyone should ignore AGA.
Always.
I've stopped listening because it wasn't consistently to my taste, that is after all why music on the pc has become so popular rather than radio, everyone can listen to what they want :P
People should care less. Really. Not just in this case, but in all opinion-exchanging taking place over the Internet.
I agree with Flippy as far as the fact that, every damn song I own is crap according to Al.. I have alot.. So, he's saying all I listen to his crap. And I tell him that's his opinion, and he says "NOI! IT'S TEH FACT11!!!111!1!11!"
It's very disheartening to hear that... :(
It's not like I take any of it seriously.. It would just be nice if you losers weren't so damn negative :-p
Quote from: [lgm] on Sun 26/09/2004 22:13:44
I agree with Flippy as far as the fact that, every damn song I own is crap according to Al.. I have alot.. So, he's saying all I listen to his crap.
Aw, LGM, you know I was kidding about that.
Seriously, those songs I sent you are pretty good.
And Flippy, as we've told you on IRC, I was only voicing my opinion about the music you were playing at the moment.
I don't know what your taste in music is, nor do I care if it sucks or not.
Loosen up, people.
Also, if you're broadcasting your music, someone is bound not to like it, and someone is bound to comment on whether he likes it or not.
Either ignore them, or take that as it is, that person's OWN opinion.
Thank you.
That was well said Highwaygal. I'm sure if I started broadcasting my music, there would be poeople who don't like it. I actually sometimes get offended if someone doesn't like my music, so I agree with flippy also. I just try and ignore what they say, cos I enjoy it and thats what matters.
People on the Internet are so gosh-darn sensitive. You should all just die.
(:P)
Well, it's different if it's suggestions. I make comments on people's songs like "you should do this", and "you should do that", and I hope not to offend them. After all, it's just my opinion, even if I'm a more experienced musician then them. My suggestions are merely to try to help someone become a better musician, not bring them down or anything.
However, I agree that saying "this music is crap" really doesn't help anyone. In fact, most of the time it downright infuriates them.
The fact is, is that although no music is better than other music, some musicians more skilled than others.
EDIT: Lol, did I just say "the fact is"?
I agree with stuff that Al and Flip said, however:
I got "attacked" by both at one point. Al said my music library lost a whole lot of points, because I didn't have songs of this certain artist. Well, as you maybe noticed, I took it easy, no hard feelings, I'm waiting to get %¤#"¤!%#" time to stay on the internet long enough to get the whole album. And flippy took it on the bitrate, or atleast it seemed like it. I cannot please anyone, but hey, should you try to make one listener happy with a CD quality bitrate, with the risk that a dial-up user happens to tune in? No.
Heck, what does it matter anyway? I don't care if I have only one lister, or four listeners, DJing is fun, and I am going to do it untill I get bored or my computer explodes or something...
:=
wow, you people actual care about the bitrate? or what song gets played when?
my lord I thought this was all for fun and you guys are attacking each other over it?
If anyone can host their own show for free, does it matter what anyone does for an hour? Why not just reserve your own hour and play what you want to hear? I'm tempted to get an hour and just play lots of obscure rap and then Thrill Kill Kult, I'm sure you'd all take points off my music collection then... If it had points to begin with.
Have fun with it while you have it and stop the bickering, have the first person to recognize a song that PMs you win a free beta testing slot for a game. Take requests, write a ten minute radio play just do something that doesn't involve angering each other.
And on a personal note, everything AGA played sucked so hard...
eric
Spoiler
also, the only thing I ask of some people is if it's a very common song that is overplayed to hell and back on the radio, don't play it, I don't want to hear Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin, I want to hear something that Clear Channel and the mass media doesn't already have their hands on, I want to hear a great band that you found and MTV would never play.
I want more cowbell!
Hey eric, I think my show is for you :D (MTV wouldn't play Nightwish's Nemo video)
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 27/09/2004 08:36:23
wow, you people actual care about the bitrate? or what song gets played when?
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 27/09/2004 08:36:23
If anyone can host their own show for free, does it matter what anyone does for an hour? Why not just reserve your own hour and play what you want to hear?
I don't care. I was meant to say it in my post. You stated my DJing plan quite good there.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 27/09/2004 08:36:23I'm sure you'd all take points off my music collection then... If it had points to begin with.
Well, my collection now has -483 points, as the several dozen thousands were regained.
Ishmael: The only reason I said about that is because it slowed it down, like, a billion times. It's easily fixed, I just restarted winamp. Sorry if it looked like I was criticising you there.
Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 27/09/2004 08:36:23
And on a personal note, everything AGA played sucked so hard...
OMG! How
dare[/b] you insult my taste in music?!?!
Any chance you could tell any of us members who rarely use IRC what this radio thingy's all about and how to listen to it?Ã, I'd be interested to hear it.
But yeah, AGA's music is terrible.
There seems to be a thread about it.
http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?topic=16676.0
Aha.
/me is a fool.
Flippy: No problem, I'm too lazy to mind about these things...
And my intention was not to flame anyone, just to clearify.