RIAA - This is going too far

auhsor · Mon 07/06/2004 13:48:39

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/04/biometric_drm/

In an attempt to stop piracy the RIAA have developed a 'super secure' way of preventing us from copying music. Only allow you to use music if oyu have your fingerprint... Heh, why do I think this isnt going to work? :

earlwood · Mon 07/06/2004 14:18:22

But I have no fingers..I have to type on the forums by flinging very small rocks from my eyelids. Just don't buy this stupid player..and you have defeated the RIAA.

TheDude · Mon 07/06/2004 14:19:42

I've heard people have cracked this already by using various household products to create fake print.

I found the quote from the newsgroup i saw it in:

"A Japanese cryptographer has demonstrated how fingerprint recognition
devices can be fooled using a combination of low cunning, cheap
kitchen supplies and a digital camera.

First Tsutomu Matsumoto used gelatine (as found in Gummi Bears and
other sweets) and a plastic mould to create a fake finger, which he
found fooled fingerprint detectors four times out of five.

Matsumoto tried these attacks against eleven commercially available
fingerprint biometric systems, and was able to reliably fool all of
them.

Noted cryptographer Bruce Schneier, the founder and CTO of Counterpane
Internet Security, described Matsumoto's work as more than impressive.

"The results are enough to scrap the systems completely, and to send
the various fingerprint biometric companies packing," said Schneier in
yesterday's edition of his Crypto-Gram newsletter, which first
publicised the issue."

ALSO....

Doubt cast on fingerprint security

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1991517.stm

"Fake fingers made out of common household ingredients can fool
security systems that use fingerprints to identify people.
Experts say the experiments cast serious doubt on any claims that this
type of biometric system can be made fully secure."

Darth Mandarb · Mon 07/06/2004 15:04:57

The RIAA are morons.

The more they try to stop piracy, the more people they piss off (thus less people buy CDs and start downloading)

Whatever method their people come up with to stop piracy, some 15 year old kid in his parent's basement will find a work around.Ã,Â Then it's back to square one for the anti-piracy people.

When will they learn?

[RIAA Idiot] "I have a great idea, let's spend even more money trying to stop piracy, thus having to keep CDs so rediculously priced" [/RIAA Idiot]

I won't buy CDs anymore.

And I won't buy mp3 either (now).

Until they lower the price of online mp3 stores to like 5 cents a song I'll just continue dl'ing them for free.

Ishmael · Mon 07/06/2004 15:24:57

This is rediculous.... did I even spell that right? I've borrowed a few CD's from my friend during the past months, listened to them for some time, and in case of every one of them I've decided to buy it. If this kind of system appears, how do people lend CD's to each others? I think I'll just need to start downloading music illegally then...

4Dsheep · Mon 07/06/2004 17:47:16

And when they fine you for pirating CDs, abslutely nothing goes to the author of the CD.

If that isn't smart, nothing is. I'm going to apply for a job there.

SSH · Mon 07/06/2004 17:56:13

It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "digital music"

Darth Mandarb · Mon 07/06/2004 20:08:58

Quote from: SSH on Mon 07/06/2004 17:56:13It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "digital music"

Ha!Ã,Â That's a good one!

Quote from: 4Dsheep on Mon 07/06/2004 17:47:16And when they fine you for pirating CDs, abslutely nothing goes to the author of the CD.
If that isn't smart, nothing is. I'm going to apply for a job there.

They've yet to fine anybody for downloading the music.Ã,Â It's those who provide the downloads they go after.

Anyway ... I'll take my chances.

The artists get [practically] nothing from CD sales.Ã,Â When bands that I like (and there aren't many) come in concert I pay to go see them.Ã,Â That's where the artists make their money.

There would, to me, seem to be a simple solution here.Ã,Â Lower the prices of CDs and online music shops per song.

Once they realize this they'll see their sales skyrocket!Ã,Â Sure, they might have to lower the price by 4/5, but they'll sell 20 times as many if they offer them for cheaper.

To me ... this just seems obvious.Ã,Â Granted, I don't work for the record companies, and I'm sure there's more involved than I'll ever know.Ã,Â But I've worked enough retail jobs to know that when you lower the prices you sell more.

Moox · Mon 07/06/2004 20:20:50

The RIAA sucks, I bet their kids all use kazaa. If you dont want piracy then eliminate the cd, No one pirates cassetes!

AGA · Mon 07/06/2004 20:25:49

Bwahahahah. Not anymore, no, since the CD exists. But they most definitely did before the CD existed. Take away the CD, and people'll soon be copying tapes again...

DragonRose · Mon 07/06/2004 20:35:49

Nya nya nynya nya! Downloading's legal in Canada!! I stick my tongue out at you Americans and your RIAA! *Goes on a mad downloading spree*

Ahem.

I have to admit, the gummibear fingerprint thing is quite cool.

Sylpher · Tue 08/06/2004 02:40:03

Anything that produces sound can be recorded as a wav and compressed down to mp3.. this only adds an extra step in the process. A very costly, probobly won't go very far, and stupid step.. but a step none-the-less.

LordHart · Tue 08/06/2004 03:48:39

Oh god, I always hated ripping stuff from tapes as its mostly in mono. My disco stuff like Donna Summers never sounded right!

Timosity · Tue 08/06/2004 08:42:50

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 07/06/2004 20:08:58
The artists get [practically] nothing from CD sales. When bands that I like (and there aren't many) come in concert I pay to go see them. That's where the artists make their money.

That's exactly how I feel about the situation, and there are pleanty of bands that I've seen, which I've quite happily paid to see their concerts (sometimes even twice in the same tour [which can end up costing more than the albums]) yet never buy their albums and can feel I deserve to downlaod them.

In the end more of the money is going to the right place

As far as this stupid idea goes, I can't believe people would seriously feel the need for it.

Paranoid greedy fucks

Femme Stab Mode >:D · Tue 08/06/2004 09:03:24

:S

This is plain sick. What about the legitimate right of a person to make backup copies of their legitimately bought music? I always back up my CDs into MP3 form and burn a second copy, just in case they get lost or stolen. Would making backups with this technology be possible and allowable? What about converting them into MP3 form for personal use? Huh? HUH?

Ishmael · Tue 08/06/2004 10:09:24

QuoteAnything that produces sound can be recorded as a wav and compressed down to mp3

Yeah, but recording requires special equipment (to get proper sound quality), and not everyone can afford those. Making backups will get damn hard then.

Anyway, just keep in mind that they're the american (and swedish) people working on this project...

no offence!

TheDude · Tue 08/06/2004 13:55:24

Quote from: Timosity on Tue 08/06/2004 08:42:50
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 07/06/2004 20:08:58
The artists get [practically] nothing from CD sales.Ã,Â When bands that I like (and there aren't many) come in concert I pay to go see them.Ã,Â That's where the artists make their money.

That's exactly how I feel about the situation, and there are pleanty of bands that I've seen, which I've quite happily paid to see their concerts (sometimes even twice in the same tour [which can end up costing more than the albums]) yet never buy their albums and can feel I deserve to downlaod them.

In the end more of the money is going to the right place

If you started a band and ended up selling 1 million copies of your first album, you'd be a multi-millionaire, it's not like the bands don't get anything. If they write their own songs you'd be surprised how much they get, which is why all these pop-stars get hardly anything unless they're as big as Britney Spears. Also that's why you see less rock bands on TV, they don't need the money from the show as much.

I always buy the albums of my favourite bands.

Timosity · Tue 08/06/2004 14:10:39

Quote from: TheDude on Tue 08/06/2004 13:55:24
If you started a band and ended up selling 1 million copies of your first album, you'd be a multi-millionaire, it's not like the bands don't get anything. If they write their own songs you'd be surprised how much they get, which is why all these pop-stars get hardly anything unless they're as big as Britney Spears. Also that's why you see less rock bands on TV, they don't need the money from the show as much.

I always buy the albums of my favourite bands.

not necessarily true, if you sold 1milliion copies of your first album you'd probablly get a nice sum of cash, but the band would still probably be in debt to the record company, after a few albums if still successful you might become a multi-millionaire, but it also depends how many people are in yout band.

of course it's very rare to sell that many albums first up without a hell of a lot of promotion, and expenditure from the record co, and that's where the debt comes from, but if they don't fuck you over, eventually you might be on the healthy side of it all.

most of the bands I like aren't too big anyway, so their concerts are where they make most of their money. And I do buy albums occasionally, I don't d/l that much music, there isn't much out there that I like. (quite often the albums or EP's that I actually buy are at the gig, sometimes from a band I've just heard or are hearing)

Moox · Tue 08/06/2004 15:39:36

Tim you said it, pay them not the record label, the record label isnt making the music.

The digital millenium copyright act enables anyone to make backups.

Sylpher · Wed 09/06/2004 00:39:08

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 07/06/2004 20:08:58
There would, to me, seem to be a simple solution here.Ã,Â Lower the prices of CDs and online music shops per song.

This, is in my opinion, one of the most overlooked parts of the fight for online piracy. Recording companies have been heavily ripping off consumers for well over 5 years now. The cost to mass press and produce CD's is reativley dirt cheap as compared to the late 80's and early 90's. As the price for production has decreased so has the cost for the product.. right? Hell no! The cost, in many cases, has increased. This was proven last year (or two years ago?) when all those record labels admited they have been overcharging for cd's the past 7 years and anyone can get a refund (if they still have the receit.. yeah).

Since that happend have prices gone down? Nope.. And they aren't going to either. If anything they are gonna sit rock solid until DVD-A or Super CD's or whatever has the bronze enough to take the throne from CDs as the major music medium and the common cost for an 'album' (I use that loosely) will slowly climb in the 20 dollar range.

You want to fight the RIAA on something that actually has weight in the water (because online swapping is illegal and you will never ever ever ever win) Start fighting the cost for CD's.. I garuntee you will pull a lot more strings and get a lot further then something like..

"I totally buy cd's after downloading them.. what's the big DEAL?!?!"

That just gets a rock to your head.

The RIAA may have the upperhand, legally, when it comes to swapping songs.. But we got the upper hand in not putting up with bullshit cd prices.