Screw the Wii, lets talk nuclear bombs!

[Nacho]

It was a silly joke about conspiranoids (Bush launched a missile against the Pentagon, Nixon killed Kennedy, etc...) It was non related with the topic, and it' s horrible to make fun about planes crashing in buildings, I feel bad about that, and now I am sorry.

So, apologies for the thread and the bad taste.

EDIT: In my deffense, it' s slightly related with the thread, but I should ellaborate my point too much, and I don' t feel with strenghts to do it... 

Again, sorry.

[m0ds]

Sorry to go off-topic, but has anyone yet seen Death of a President? It's on Channel 4 next week

[Las Naranjas]

Come on Helm, admit that he completely and utterly tore down that Straw Man. Take that hypothetical posters!

[EagerMind]

And yes, please say it again.

Nah, I'm done with this silly little condescending game. I said this was an argument I didn't want to get into, because there's nothing to argue about, and I'm not going to have my words twisted into a defense of Bush or his policies. We're arguing about something we more or less agree about. I think I made it quite clear in my last post that I was merely trying to advocate diplomatic engagement in an international community to jointly resolve differences and deal with troublesome/rogue states instead of embracing isolationism and letting problems grow unchecked. As a part of this, I think it's important for citizens to keep themselves informed and engage in discussion so we can hold our governments accountable.

That's what I was attempting to do when I joined this thread, especially as some of the initial posts suggested that this issue was above our heads and we should just stick to our video games. I acknowledge I made a muddled point about Iraq that was generating the wrong response, and I've tried to clarify my position, keep the conversation civil, and steer it back to topic. Yet it's been repeatedly pulled back to the invasion of Iraq and has degenerated into baseless, off-topic accusations of my country which I have already freely admitted has acted wrongly. Since no one's bothered to respond to my comments on North Korea or engage in thoughtful discussion on any other topic, I'll assume there's nothing to talk to about.

[m0ds]

The plot thickens! N Korea warn that any US sanctions imposed on them will be a "declaration of war", and they're preparing to test a second nuke. Although this is highly interesting I still find it highly worrying!

[SSH]

Don't worry, m0ds

[m0ds]

Interesting, thanks SHH. Oh well, nothing to be afraid of then

[thewalrus]

     We might as well worry just as much about an asteroid/comet/meteor hitting the Earth or about global warming....... Both of those situations would be much worse then North Korea's tiny nukes......

[MrColossal]

N...no. Not at all...

North Korea makes a nuke, sells it to a group of jerks, the jerks detonate it in a city, thousands and thousands of people die.

[Helm]

I still don't get the 'nukes in the wrong hands' argument. Because US hands are sensible? Them being the only ones to have dropped such armaments in densely populated areas thus far?

[MrColossal]

I didn't say US hands are sensible.

[Las Naranjas]

A better argument is that since they do not appear to have succeeded in refining uranium, what bombs they're making will have to come from a very modest supply of plutonium from the existing reactors, which isn't worth many bombs. If they only have enough for a few, they have to decide whether having them on hand as a bargaining chip is worth more than the cash they'd get from selling them, and the former would have to be more attractive to those in power, even assuming that they found a buyer.

[Helm]

Wasn't sayin you did. Just don't understand the 'oh no, NOW nukes are terrible!' type of mentality that some people show whenever there's news of this or that dictator getting his own arsenal.

[EagerMind]

N Korea warn that any US sanctions imposed on them will be a "declaration of war"

I think North Korea is still technically at war with the U.S. and South Korea. Not much of a threat, is it?