Star Trek fans???

DrewCCU · Sat 17/07/2010 06:41:47

Hey guys ... just something random i want to throw out there to any other Trekkies we may have on these boards:

If you really are a Trekkie then you should know that Jonathan Archer was president of the United Federation of Planets from 2184 - 2192. I thought it'd be cool to photoshop something together of what he might look like at this time.

TerranRich · Sat 17/07/2010 07:38:47

That's awesome! Huge Trek fan here, and that looks really good. Looks like it could be the cover of a novel that covers the time period you mentioned.

Pinback · Sat 17/07/2010 10:58:13

Hehe, did you know that Scott Bakula wanted Cpt. Archer to be a decendant of his character in Quantum Leap, as part of Star Trek canon?

Calin Leafshade · Sat 17/07/2010 15:44:29

now *that* wouldve been awesome

DrewCCU · Sat 17/07/2010 16:39:41

Quote from: Pinback on Sat 17/07/2010 10:58:13
Hehe, did you know that Scott Bakula wanted Cpt. Archer to be a decendant of his character in Quantum Leap, as part of Star Trek canon?

that wouldve stupid ... i mean dont get me wrong i loved quantum leap but that wouldve just been stupid.

Calin Leafshade · Sat 17/07/2010 18:11:31

you are wrong... very wrong

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Sat 17/07/2010 18:21:45

Enterprise was stupid and canon-defiling so a Quantum Leap crossover could do it no additional damage.

DrewCCU · Sat 17/07/2010 18:31:28

ProgZmax ...you know everyone says that but the truth is Enterprise was canon re visioning. Yes - some things got contradicted and somethings were effected ... but the truth is it helped build a larger history base - which i myself loved. I have accepted the fact that some things had to be refitted in the canon but it doesn't really upset me ... i'm not one of those to dread change TOO much. (however, i did think the whole alternate reality they created with the new movie was kind of dumb. And it actually upset me more than the entire series of Enterprise did. However, i don't see this whole alternate reality kick lasting too long and besides the old reality is still in existence and can still be expanded upon. I mean, alternate realities/parallel universes have been a part of Star Trek for a long time so there's no reason to get too upset over this.)

As far as what Pinback said earlier ... i actually did some research:

"Jonathan Archer was played by Scott Bakula in all 98 episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise. Bakula stated (half-jokingly) that he thought that Archer's middle name was Beckett, in reference to Dr. Sam Beckett, the character Bakula portrayed on the TV series Quantum Leap."

Anian · Sat 17/07/2010 18:39:55

Well, I like (I can't say LOOOOVE it) Star Trek, Enterprise series included, but it's the ST as whole and indivdual brilliant episodes that make me like it. At least half of the episodes are dumb/simple/lame/boring.
And I'm not either a hardcore sf fan nor a "sf is stupid" person. But some conformities were made to make it a television series (like mostly light subjects with messages/lessons and sometimes less than inspirational plots) and I get that it's not ST's fault.

I mean the original series is important as a starter and as bringer of fresh new television etc. You have to admit it's silly (over the years it started to be even in "so bad it's good" category. NG is really annoying in the first season (except a few episodes), the whole Jar death, young boy Crusher driving a ship of 1000 people (seriously? a crew of 1000 academy graduates but 3 people know how to fly a ship?) and the whole afternoon special (don't do drugs etc.) is silly. Some of it is just made for way younger audience than some later episodes.
Personally in NG and Voyager, what I looked forward to was an episode with Borg, besides some really interesting ideas and plots that happened eventually, Borg episodes were real sf/space opera/horror stories.

Oh, yeah, DS9. I didn't really like it. None of the characters was interesting nor cool. And the story arcs were kind of uninspired.

Enterprise series was interesting only really in few episodes, first few (the whole story establishing parts), Brog encounter (which btw is not in canon, since in NG, Q is the one who teleports Picard and the crew to Borg space...but that's a whole other discussion

) and similar. But all in all it wasn't that good. As far as I got, a lot of it had to do with smaller budget. Enterprise was fun when they showed how stuff that we later see in NG and such were starting out.

I watched just some of Quantum leap, but I think it was just a mentioned idea or maybe even a joke but then started to spread as a rumour. Probably given more attention than it was meant to have. And yeah, what Drew said.
Nice pic though.

blueskirt · Sun 18/07/2010 00:52:17

I was a kid when I got into Star Trek. My first ever experience was with Interplay's Judgment Rites game. A couple months later Wrath of Khan was aired and like all kids that age, I recorded it and watched it religiously every weekends. Later I did it with Star Trek 1-6. I somewhat disconnected when the TNG crew took over, not knowing who was who.

Years later I remembered I used to be a total fan when I discovered Space Quest 5's main source of inspiration was Star Trek, I also got around to watch all 4 TNG movies and figure out who was who. A couple years ago I watched half the first, all the second and nearly all of the third seasons of TOS, which I loved, I also used that opportunity to replay the Star Trek adventure games.

I'm an hardcore Star Trek fan, but like superhero comics, I have trouble with their business model. TV stations are never airing the seasons I'm looking for. When I wanted to watch TOS, they aired TNG, now that I want to start with TNG, they airs Voyager and Enterprise, DVDs costs an arm and leg, I can't afford to download a TV series on my current internet connection, and with its kabillion episodes, the show is also getting too close to soap opera to me. I know I'll watch the whole thing one day, it will just take a very long time.

I loved the latest movie but I understand that it rubs lot of fans in the wrong way, it's one thing to do as if the other stuff never existed, it's another to explicitly say it no longer exist like they did in the movie, when I watched it and I saw how they retconned it, there was this voice in my head that went "Oh shit, this is gonna piss off lot of people". I can't wait for the sequels, but I worry about its future. Too many people in Hollywood have issues with third sequels, and unless they make a TV series to continue it, they'll revert back to the main canon and the reboot will become a spin off.

Also, don't worry about TOS aging badly. Sure, some episodes are slightly "so bad it's good", but there's also many others episodes where you don't give a damn about the campy stuff because the plot is so excellent or because it talks about delicate subjects. I think TOS will be just as fun to watch in 20 years as it is now.

DrewCCU · Sun 18/07/2010 04:11:09

Quote from: blueskirt on Sun 18/07/2010 00:52:17
I was a kid when I got into Star Trek. My first ever experience was with Interplay's Judgment Rites game. A couple months later Wrath of Khan was aired and like all kids that age, I recorded it and watched it religiously every weekends. Later I did it with Star Trek 1-6. I somewhat disconnected when the TNG crew took over, not knowing who was who.

Years later I remembered I used to be a total fan when I discovered Space Quest 5's main source of inspiration was Star Trek, I also got around to watch all 4 TNG movies and figure out who was who. A couple years ago I watched half the first, all the second and nearly all of the third seasons of TOS, which I loved, I also used that opportunity to replay the Star Trek adventure games.

I'm an hardcore Star Trek fan, but like superhero comics, I have trouble with their business model. TV stations are never airing the seasons I'm looking for. When I wanted to watch TOS, they aired TNG, now that I want to start with TNG, they airs Voyager and Enterprise, DVDs costs an arm and leg, I can't afford to download a TV series on my current internet connection, and with its kabillion episodes, the show is also getting too close to soap opera to me. I know I'll watch the whole thing one day, it will just take a very long time.

I loved the latest movie but I understand that it rubs lot of fans in the wrong way, it's one thing to do as if the other stuff never existed, it's another to explicitly say it no longer exist like they did in the movie, when I watched it and I saw how they retconned it, there was this voice in my head that went "Oh shit, this is gonna piss off lot of people". I can't wait for the sequels, but do worry about its future. Too many people in Hollywood have issues with third sequels, and unless they make a TV series to continue it, they'll revert back to the main canon and the reboot will become a spin off.

Also, don't worry about TOS aging badly. Sure, some episodes are slightly "so bad it's good", but there's also many others episodes where you don't give a damn about the campy stuff because the plot is so excellent because it talks about delicate subjects. I think TOS will be just as fun to watch in 20 years as it is now.

goto www.letmewatchthis.com ... click the TV Series option ... then type in Star Trek in the search box. And behold ...

blueskirt · Sun 18/07/2010 05:07:33

Quote from: DrewCCU on Sun 18/07/2010 04:11:09goto www.letmewatchthis.com ... click the TV Series option ... then type in Star Trek in the search box. And behold ...

Thanks for the link, it will sure be handy when I'll get a better internet connection, mine's stupidly limited to 20GB of bandwidth per month.

DrewCCU · Sun 18/07/2010 06:28:06

Quote from: blueskirt on Sun 18/07/2010 05:07:33
Quote from: DrewCCU on Sun 18/07/2010 04:11:09goto www.letmewatchthis.com ... click the TV Series option ... then type in Star Trek in the search box. And behold ...

Thanks for the link, it will sure be handy when I'll get a better internet connection, mine's stupidly limited to 20GB of bandwidth per month.

'No problem. But yeah - its always better own it on DVD anyway. But i submit that a faster connection is cheaper than buying the DVDs ...

mkennedy · Mon 19/07/2010 05:20:14

Never really considered the Bord evil myself (except for maybe the queen). In my mind they were probably doing a favor to the races the assimilated.

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Tue 20/07/2010 08:25:31

The ToS remasters have done a lot to improve the old series visually and fix some of the canon issues (sometimes the phasers were blue, sometimes they were red) that the writers created when developing the show. While I haven't seen all of the remastered episodes yet, the ones I have seen are generally fantastic, especially Shore Leave, where they replaced much of the 'set' with actual shots of real forests and lakes and things. I found it quite brilliant and rather than taking away anything, the added realism adds so much to the seriousness of the show.

Quintaros · Wed 21/07/2010 20:32:08

I think you're mistaken about the remastering of Shore Leave, ProgZ. The shots you described were in the original version of that episode as it was shot on location.

I felt the remastering in general was not all that it could have been. In general the Enterprise looks great and there are some wonderful new "matte" paintings but shots of the shuttle bay, and other spaceships are sometimes pretty phoney looking CGI.

I've loved the original Star Trek my whole life so it was never about the special effects anyway. The original versions always got the job done and so do the new ones.

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Fri 23/07/2010 04:41:30

I hadn't seen the original in awhile so you could be right. I still think they've done a great job improving the picture quality and such overall, and I really don't mind the cgi planets since they're not as bad as the planetary blur-blobs of the original. Still, it's a matter of preference but I'm happy with the remasters. Could they have done more? Yeah. But some of the little touches (like the agonizer effect and the agony chamber in Mirror, Mirror) really do improve the overall presentation. Also, and this is probably why Shore Leave seemed more 'real' to me in the remastered version, are the improvements to color and contrast that makes everything look much less washed out and plain.