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The title for Episode III has been announced.


REVENGE of THE SITH

www.starwars.com

It's kind of a throw back to "Revenge of The Jedi", no?

Bt

That's the SECOND crappiest Star wars title I've ever heard!

Will it be good?
Will it smell?
Will we get to see Anakin go all evil and stuff?
Will Jaja be in it?

GASP! All will be reveled.

...

I believe it was "RETURN of the Jedi". I am not really expecting much from this movie though. I will probably watch it for the sake of the other movies. For a sense of completion. I mean, it has the Hayden guy as Anakin

Natalie Portman  :-*

Babloyi: Return of the Jedi? You are confusing it with episode 6(?)..
Anyway,
what a un-original title.
I do not expect much, considering episode 1 and 2..

nono...Blackthrone said that it was a throwback to "Revenge of the Jedi", I was just clarifying that the name was "Return of the Jedi"

Well, it sounds better than "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones", but it's still not that great. Not that I expect the movie to be any better. I'll still watch it when it comes out, if only because I used to be a Star Wars fanboy some 10 years ago. Let's hope Lucas gets this one right (or at least less wrong than episodes 1 and 2).

Aaw. That name kinda sucks.
Anyway, im positive that this one will be the best one of the new movies.
Cant wait to see how Anakin "takes care" of the Jedi Order and the Senate. ;D

Not that I'm a Star Wars nerd at all or can even remember much about the movies, but from reading a few slashdot comments on this story I gather Revenge of the Jedi was the working title for Return of the Jedi, but it was changed because revenge was un-Jedi-like apparently.  That is probably what BlackThorne was referring to.

http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/revengeofthejedi.txt

It doesn't particularly sound bad or good to me, it's an acceptable title, as were all the others...

I read in a magazine that the starwars series was supose to hawe 8 titels. But then when the third was complete they desided to make only 6. Can you imagine what a crappy film the 8th film would be. Considering the episode 1 and 2 were total crap (especialy 2)

I like 1 and 2

/me runs

arrr.. I did not know that. My bad...
1 and 2 were OK movies. I just didn't like the actors who played Anakin, and the way he behaves. In the 1st movie Anakin seemed a disobedient brat, and was played by a brat (don't know if he was disobedient :)). In the 2nd movie, well....Anakin was ok, but I say it again, Hayden was BAD

Oh, come now. The Phantom Menace as a title is awesome. As a movie, of course, it's lacking.

Attack of the Clones did a little better, 3 might just be a return to form. Possibly.

But hey!

It's Return of the Jedi, not the Revenge of the Jedi, Damn it! >:(

A few days ago, I had an epiphany.. I don't really like Star Wars at all.

I don't see why hundreds of thousands of geeks are creaming their pants just because the new Star Wars title has been announced. It doesn't matter if it has the most awesome sounding name in the world (like "Star Wars Episode III: Anakin Goes Apeshit") the movie will still suck anus.

What am I basing that on?

Well, the first two sucked MAJOR DONKEY ANUS, so I don't see any reason why this pattern should differ.

"But DG, you don't know that for sure. The third movie might be different and cool and stuff," is probably what you're saying. Fat chance, especially if there's another monologue from Anakin about how Armadillo's face tastes as delicious as sand. C'mon, Lucas. I know you're not skint and I know you've got the ability to write decent scripts (such as American Graffiti) that don't appeal to fanboy culture. Quit with this "Revenge of Sith" shit. What the fuck is Sith anyway? Sounds to me like a venereal disease.

QuoteIt's Return of the Jedi, not the Revenge of the Jedi, Damn it! Angry

Actually... When the first made the movie, they decided on the title Revenge of the Jedi. There were even posters made with that title on them. There's a rumour circalling that they changed it because revenge wasn't something a Jedi would feel. I personally think it's for another reason.

Around that time, there was another science fiction movie coming out... Star Trek 2: The Revenge of Khan. Now, I figured the producers of the two films realised that they both had Revenge in the title, and changed their names. Star Wars became "Return of the Jedi", and Star Trek became "The Wrath of Khan".

Aha!!Ã,  My favorite topic of debate!

I think Revenge of the Sith is a bloody BRILLIANT title!!Ã,  The true Star Wars fans know (as scotch pointed out) that the original title of Episode VI was, "Revenge of the Jedi" but revenge isn't a quality of the Jedi so the title was changed.Ã,  However revenge is totally a quality of the Sith!!Ã,  And as Darth Maul said in tPM, "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi ... at last, we will have our revenge!"Ã,  It's perfect.Ã,  Oh, and technically, the 'working' title of RotJ was, "Blue Harvest" (just being anal and know-it-all :))

Now, personally, I liked the first two movies ...

I think a lot of people's problems with the prequels is that they're basing them [the films] off of child-hood memories of wonderment upon seeing the first trilogy ... and there's simply NO way to out do that.Ã,  The prequels could NEVER live up to the original.Ã,  (Not to mention that when Star Wars first came out people had never seen special effects like that, but when the prequels time came around people were used to seeing Special Effects.Ã,  I think some of the problems of the original trilogy were overlooked as you stared in awe at the special effects.)

I consider this and take it to heart when watching the prequels.

If people go in knowing it's not going to be better than the OT (Original Trilogy) I think they'd be less disappointed (just my theory).Ã,  I went in under these assumptions and was quite pleased with the films.

It was nice seeing hints of future events.Ã,  It was great seeing Darth Vader as an innocent (albeit annoying) child.Ã,  The meeting between Anakin and Obi-wan gave me goosebumps in tPM.Ã,  The part in AotC when Obi-Wan tells Anakin, "I fear you'll be the death of me one day." sent chills up my spine.

Sure there are some problems with dialogue and acting ... but Mark Hammill never won an Oscar!

As a die-hard Star Wars fan for me it's the 'essence' of Star Wars that comes through.Ã,  Wondering how the galaxy far, far away came to be how it was in Ep. IV and now getting to see it happen.Ã,  Wondering for years what the clone wars were like.Ã,  Wanting to see Jedi in their prime wielding lightsabers.Ã,  Seeing the birth of the Empire (which is what I thought the third movie should have been called).Ã,  All of this outshines annoying JarJar, or a little 'brat' playing Anakin, or some campy dialogue.

Now I know there are those who'll just say, "No Darth, you're wrong ... they just suck!" and if that's truely your opinion then fine.Ã,  You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.Ã,  (Now, of course, when DG says he doesn't like it, I believe him :))

My theory on the situation is this:
In 20 years Episodes I-VI will be Star Wars ... people won't call them the OT and the PT anymore.Ã,  It'll be a whole series.

I see your point, Darth. But the reason Star Wars did so well is because of it's innovations in cinema and special effects. Personally, I think the originial trilogy is fun to watch once or twice in a blue moon.. But the films don't really hold much redeeming qualities now that I think about it. The direction isn't that spectacular, the acting is sub-par, and the plotis of the cookie cutter fashion. The universe is "unique" I guess, but most of the coolness about it is added on by authors and fans in thousands of books and fan films and whatever that exist out there, and is never let known to the people that just watch the movie. The characters are cool, I guess... But the films just aren't THAT amazing.

Big part of cinema history? Yes. Greatest movies ever? No

And you're right, alot of it was overlooked by the "WOW! OMG, LASERS!" shock value of such neat effects.

George Lucas knows this, and is, IMO, exactly why he makes EVERYTHING digital in the prequels. The same, "OMG, SHE'S EATING A DIGITAL FRUIT!" shock value is what he wants to try to do to get the movies to be popular and great.

But movie goers today aren't easily fooled or pleased like that anymore. We can tell when a movie's plot and acting suck. Hence, the prequels just aren't great. High production values? Yes. Big part of cinema history? No, not really.

I can see why die-hard Star Wars fans would still love the prequels. They've devoted such a big part of their lives to these films, and probably know marginally more than the average fan. But IMO.. The prequels had SO much potential, and Lucas just threw it down the toilet. Although, I have to admit, AotC had some neat opening and ending action scenes. I applaud that. But OMG, DIGITAL EVERYTHING!!!!!

Don't get me wrong ... there are things in the prequels that I really don't like (the announcer of the pod race from tPM for one) but, as I said, it's more the 'essence' of Star Wars that I enjoy.

And there are some moments in the prequels that just scream out Star Wars to me.

Anakin asks, "Where are you going?"
Obi-Wan replies, "To get a drink."

Anakin, "Don't worry, I've given up trying to argue with you."

I like to think that the difference in culture, dialogue, and behaviors in the prequels is because it's a more 'civlized' time (as ol' Ben tells Luke in A New Hope).Ã,  After 16 years of Imperial oppresion and terror the galaxy (in the OT) is a FAR different place.Ã,  Which is why the two series feel so different. [/rationalization]

And I would also agree that GL just wanted to be a pioneer again in using ALL digital cameras to film the second one.Ã,  But let me be the first to say, I've seen AotC on a DLP and it's breath-taking!Ã,  Simply amazing!!

I don't think GL is dumb ... I think he knew that these movies wouldn't compete with the OT.Ã,  So he decided to be a pioneer of digital technology (more so than he already was!).Ã,  I truely believe GL wanted to make these movies 'cause he wanted to finish the story (or complete it I guess ... as Ep. VI actually finishes it).Ã,  He would have done it even if only 10 people were going to see it.Ã,  While there are definately things I would have done differently it is, in the end, HIS story ... I admire him for telling it the way he wanted to.

I don't personally 'love' the prequels ... I just don't feel they're as shitty as everybody thinks.Ã,  I still maintain that the third one will tie everything together and that the series, as a whole, will be a great, FULL, story!

How to explain away the midichlorians ...

I think the entire Star Wars story has had way too much time and money (and thought. I have heard lengthy discussion about the deep 'philosophy' in SW and that is just sad.) put into it. I will see it. I WILL enjoy it. just because I have no reason not to. Anyone who forms an opinion in the likes of "This movie is super rad, Tim!" or "This movie totally blows lets do heroine!" Is already taking it a bit seriouslly and needs to go hang out somewhere.. not.. here.

It isn't great Science Fiction it is an atmosphere paraded around with lots of fire works and make-up. Enjoy it as no more and you will not be disappointed.

/me deposits two pennies

I personally believe that the biggest difference between the prequels and the originals that sets them apart is the characters and how they were portrayed. The charcaters in the originals were just way better, somehow.

Han was awsome. The princess was great. Lando was interesting. Chewbacca was cool. Obi-Wan and Yoda had some great moments. Boba Fett was WAY cool. Jaba was nifty. And Vader was unbelievable! Heck, even Tarkin and Greedo were noteworthy!! (and yeah, Luke was okay)

On the other hand, the prequels don't offer up that kind of greatness. Obi-Wan, Anakin and Qui-Gon (I'm SO sorry if I'm getting any spellings wrong, btw) are okay. The queen and her many costumes is kinda' interesting (but very easy to look at, mind you). Yoda somehow became a bit of a farce. Windu is alright. Jango Fett was sorta' boring. Darth Maul, though VERY cool was too short-lived and didn't get enough screen time. Jar Jar is annoying.

I could go on with each of these, but I believe that the characters are the biggest thing that seperate the trilogies so far (even though there is a lot of other stuff, too).

Anyway, I like this new title okay enough. ANYthing is an improvemnet over "Attack of the Clones", if you ask me.

That's all I got for now.

My problem isn't that the prequels don't stack up to the originals.

My problem is that the prequels don't even work as stand-alone movies. They are so ludicrously cobbled together, I'm surprised 20th Century Fox released them. But hey, they're part of Star Wars, so of course the die hard fans are going to see them (Thus, $$$ for Fox).

To prove my point, look at the Razzie awards. Not many people give the Oscars much credit ("They're too conservative", "They're sooo Hollywood", "They're rigged!", etc) but I do give the Razzies a mountainload of credit at pointing out the worst films of the year. I'll never be able to dream pleasantly again after seeing Swept Away. But both the first two prequel episodes of Star Wars scored several nominations each, including Worst Screenplay, Director, and Picture for Lucas (and that's for each film).Ã,  Lucas "won" the Worst Screenplay award for Episode II. When a large group of casual movie-goers (that's basically what the Razzies are, since membership is open to anyone) say that the worst five films for two separate years include both Star Wars prequels, then I'm guessing it's not just me who thinks this way.

But, hey, all art (if you want to call Star Wars "art") is subjective right? So, I can't really discourage people from liking it. If it rocks your boat, then fine, sweet, awesome. No probs from me.

But what I'm most surprised at is the large fanbase, especially the hardcore Star Wars geeks who dress-up as a Jedi Knight or a Wookie and line up for days at the cinemas before the films are released. These same people want Jedi classed as a religion on the next census. I place people like that in the same category as fursuiters or anime cosplayers. (Though fursuiters get way more sex than either the other two subcultures).

Not only that, if you log on to a Star Wars forum and tell them the prequels are shit, they're go apeshit just cause you insulted their favourite movie. They'll call you things like "brainless" and "foolish" and "buffoon". I know this because it's happened to me (though not a Star Wars forum, but the forum at RottenTomatoes) and pissed-off many a geek that day.

I guess I can't talk though. I mean, I was the guy who bleached his hair and went to his 21st birthday party as Leonard from Memento.

(http://www.sylpher.com/DGMacphee/Photoshop/My21st.jpg)

Hmmm, actually, I look like a loveable spunkbubble! Hello ladies!

Anyway, my point is, yes, I have dressed up as a character from a movie, same as Star Wars nutcases. But what separates me is that I'm not consumed by Memento. Keep in mind, I dressed this way because it was for a fancy dress party. And keep in mind also that it was held at a private room in a bar that I hired for the night, not a public movie theatre. And keep in mind there were others there dressed as Doris Day, Peter Allen, and one girl as the Yellow Brick Road from the Wizard of Oz while her hubby was Dorothy -- We all didn't just dress like characters from Memento. And keep in mind that I don't devote my life to a Memento. I don't resort to name calling when someone says "Memento was a shitty movie. It's so damn confusing." And I definitely don't believe there should be a religion called 'Leonardism'. Hmm, actually, maybe there should. I'd like to see a religion based around having a short-term memory.

It'd come in handy for when I see a Star Wars prequel. HO HO HO! ;D

P.S. Layabout (aka Pirate Jack) also went to my 21st as James Bond. And he was dressed very sharply in a sweet-ass tux. And I don't see people lining-up to put "Bondism" on the next census either, even though there are more Bond films than Star Wars films. Not only that, Bond has the ladies swooning left, right and centrefield. Right on, Layabout!

QuoteHmmm, actually, I look like a loveable spunkbubble! Hello ladies!

Hello, DG!

Anyway, I think Star Wars is HORRIBLY overhyped. And the new movies are crap. And the old movies aren't as good as everybody says they are. Send all hate mail to ryam_baco@yahoo.com.

So the rumors were true after all.

Blackthorne knows his star wars nerd trivia. Revenge of the Jedi was the original title for Return of the Jedi, but they ended up changing the name. Rumors are that someone sent a letter saying that a Jedi could not get revenge, or that because the Star Trek ||: The Wrath of Kahn came out around the same year and the original title was The Revenge of Kahn, I believe.

here's an original poster:
(http://www.hundland.com/posters/r/RevengeOfTheJedi.jpg)

Quote from: Babloyi on Sun 25/07/2004 10:22:03
I believe it was "RETURN of the Jedi". I am not really expecting much from this movie though. I will probably watch it for the sake of the other movies. For a sense of completion. I mean, it has the Hayden guy as Anakin

Ah, it WAS RETURN OF THE JEDI, but early promotional posters had the title "REVENGE OF THE JEDI" on them.

I guess I just assumed everyone had the nerdy knowledge of Star Wars I possess.  I mean, I even know the fake tag line for "Blue Harvest: Horror beyond Imagination".  But I'm a Star Wars Freak.

I'll see the movie.  If you don't wanna, don't spend your 6 bucks.(or whatever monitary unit you use!)  Go see something else!  Me, I'll watch some bad acting, bunch of CGI, and be entertained.

Bt


Bt

Dg, first, I saw the picture before reading the text and I thought it was a photo of Tom Cruise, so take that for what it is worth, and second, Memento was an awesome movie.

Anyway, about Star Wars. My theory as to why the Episodes I and II are not as good as episodes IV thru VI is because they seem to have lost their focus. Episodes IV thru VI were emotional, they had brilliant actors, and it created a universe that people could believe in because the characters within it were believable.

Now, some of the actors in episodes I and II were good. Ewan McGregor made his Obi Wan seem like a young Alec Guinness. I feel that Hayden Christiansen has the emotional range of an ice cube, and Natalie Portman isn't much more than screen eye candy, but that's just my opinion. The real loss of focus was the desire for great combat.

Sure, the lightsaber duels are cool in the prequels, but I always felt that jedi found the lightsabers to be a weaker form of combat. Yoda and the Emperor never touched them in the original trilogy. It was because Jedi believed a mastery of the force was the ultimate weapon one could have. In the prequels, it's more about intense action packed scenes. They just do not have the intelligence or maturity the original trilogy had.

This, of course is just my theory and opinion.

Well said. This is the meaning I tried to convey, but I'm an idiot.

The worst thing about the first two movies is the dialogue, and direction.  They make Natalie Portman enunciate every work to the point of ridiculousness.  So instead of saying "I'm" she says "I am"  and instead of "don't" it's "do not."  Yeah, Yeah, she was a queen and all that...but coming from an American it just sounds idiotic.  They should have cast someone british who could get away with that kind of thing...(that reminds me, notice how princess leia in the original uses a faux british accent on and off throughout the first movie?  what's up with that carrie fisher?!?)

And our boy who plays Anakin...god awful! He overacts to point of sheer and utter melodrama .  Plus, he's such a pretty boy.  I just want to punch him. 

No, i'm not bitter,  I swear.

And the other thing...why did George Lucas go nuts with the CGI?  Every little thing has to be a cartoon (or at least that's what it looks like.)  I'm sorry, but i like the look of the battleship models turned imperial destroyers...the graphics were better in the Clones movie...but still.  It reminds me of the remake of Episode IV, and the scene with Jabba...i watched a little documentary on it, and they said they spent a year doing that Jabba.  I felt utterly awful for them, because it really didn't pay off.

Woh.  Ok.  I'm going to stop.  I'm sure this has all been said before, and that i'm coming across as a psycho star wars dork...but I just grew up loving the trilogy, so I just wanted the new ones to be at least decent.

You want to know about going overboard with the digital editing, well I found this little tidbit on www.imdb.com:

"In a scene in the Skywalker home, George Lucas digitally altered Jake Lloyd's eyes to look in a different direction momentarily."

That's right, instead of George Lucas helping the kid ACT (which a director should do), he merely changed his acting with computers later one. That's just kind of silly. That's definately my favorite trivia I read. Well, that and:

"During filming Ewan McGregor made lightsaber noises as he dueled. It was noted and corrected during post production."

That one is just really freakin' cool.


Also, I think it was Lucas and Carrie Fischer who decided together in the first movie that she would do a faux british accent as her "government official" voice.

Quote from: Sutebi on Thu 12/08/2004 15:54:41
Also, I think it was Lucas and Carrie Fischer who decided together in the first movie that she would do a faux british accent as her "government official" voice.

oh, i guess that makes sense.Ã,  still a little strange though...given her normal vocal inflections are rather gruff.

Quote from: Sutebi on Thu 12/08/2004 15:54:41

"During filming Ewan McGregor made lightsaber noises as he dueled. It was noted and corrected during post production."

That is awesome.Ã,  Ewan McGregor is awesome.Ã,  He's the only saving grace to those movies...besides maybe yoda, samuel l jackson and the light saber fights.Ã,  But seriously, Ewan McGregor is a great actor.

QuoteAlso, I think it was Lucas and Carrie Fischer who decided together in the first movie that she would do a faux british accent as her "government official" voice.

I think she was coked up and didn't know where she was half the time.

Geez, hasn't part 3 been released yet? I wish they'd just get on with it and get it over with.

As somebody said, who really cares what a film's title is?

The stupid names Lucas comes up with are a testament to his loss of any talent he ever had.  Look out, I've got a bad case of Sith's Revenge (goes to the crapper).

I read about a radio interview George Lucas did, and the interviewer was a hardcore OLD star wars fan and started ragging on the stupid midichlorions.  He asked him something like "Hey George, what the fuck with the midichlorions, really?  Did we need the force to go from a belief system to a parasitical entity?" and George grunted and hung up.  Priceless.

Quote from: Pumaman on Thu 12/08/2004 20:21:48
I wish they'd just get on with it and get it over with.

That's all I've been saying about this ever since I heard the OT dvds weren't gonna be released until this new crap was all out. Thankfully, my wish has been granted ahead of time... in a way, so I care even less about the third movie now (if that's possible). I -do- still have the original LD box set anyway ^_^ *dances around like a Scottish pixie!*

I just hope that when this movie comes out LucasArts can move onto something else somewhere in the future...

maybe in 10 years they'll stop making Star Wars games a plenty.

Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 13/08/2004 02:46:56I -do- still have the original LD box set anyway ^_^ *dances around like a Scottish pixie!*

I have that too!Ã,  I must say, that it's one of my prized possesions.Ã,  I love the Special Editions (well ... almost all of it) but nothing beats their original versions on LD!!Ã,  I still have an LD player as well.

Good stuff!

I too think they should just get on with it.Ã,  But George likes to take his time.Ã,  I suppose if I had the power and money that he does I'd do it my way too.

Whatever happens, I want fewer rat-tail mullets on the Jedi knights. WTF does the Jedi flag look like? I don't know because I'm also not a die-hard fan, but here's my guess:

(http://www.aimchange.com/upload/misc/Confederate%20Flag.gif)

Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Sun 25/07/2004 10:10:57
REVENGE of THE SITH

I suspect...

REVENGE of the SCRIPT

...will prove a more accurate title.

No amount of special effects can save us from it:

Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, LUCAS
Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã, Ã,  Ã, You killed my film!

Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, SCRIPT
Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã,  Ã,  I am your film.

Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, LUCAS
Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Ã, Ã,  Ã,  Ã, Nooooooooooooooo!

But there are things today that would not be if it were not for Starwars. Lightsabers are just a few years away. They're based on plasma technology and are said to have the same qualities as the ones seen in SW. The only problem is finding an energy source that fits iinto a palm and can produce the power needed for it to run. Scifi films are the biggest contributors to modern-science imo. Read really old scifi books, and you'll find gadgets we use today.

The third movie will rock my sideburn!

Quote from: ProgZmax on Fri 13/08/2004 02:25:02
The stupid names Lucas comes up with are a testament to his loss of any talent he ever had.Ã,  Look out, I've got a bad case of Sith's Revenge (goes to the crapper).

"The Revenge of the Sith" is a direct correlation to the title "The Return of the Jedi".

I don't think it's a bad title.  "A New Hope"?  Thank god most people just know that film as "Star Wars". 

"The Phantom Menace" & "Attack of the Clones", yeah those names aren't so catchy, but they are rather B-Serial like, which was the intent of Star Wars in the first place.

Bt

I think The Phantom Menace is a cool title ... when you think about who the menace is and how evil and deceiving he is.Ã,  It's just kind of fitting.

Attack of the Clones bites ass.Ã,  I've never liked this title.Ã,  The movie should have been called The Clone Wars, or Birth of the Empire (which would also have been a cool title for epIII).

Revenge of the Sith is a perfect title, in my opinion, for epIII.

Title Comparison
A New Hope vs. The Phantom Menace
Birth of the Empire vs. The Empire Strikes Back^{(fits better to my mind)}
Revenge of the Sith vs. Return of the Jedi

Keep this in mind.Ã,  When Star Wars came out in '77, if GL had put Jedi in the title everybody would have been like, "What the hell is a Jedi??"Ã,  But by '83 EVERYbody [who cared about Star Wars (and even some who didn't)] were well aware of what a Jedi was.Ã,  So the title made sense.Ã,  Sith is never mentioned in the OT, but by ep.III, after seeing ep1 and 2, we've heard the word many times and those who care understand the third film's title.

While there is much in the first two prequals I'm not crazy about, I still anticipate the third (and final) film with high hopes.

"C'mon George ol' buddy don't let me down!!"
^{true SW fans'll get the reference!}

In the original scripts and novelization of "Star Wars"  Vader is refered to as "The Dark Lord of the Sith" although in the films SITH is never actually spoken.

Bt

New, flashy trailer. http://movies.channel.aol.com/feature/starwars/main.adp

My opinion boils down to this:

I've seen all the star wars movies so far. The original trilogy has at least five situations, quotes, stuff that I will always remember. They left a lasting impression on me. I don't consider them great films, but they had these moments. I can hardly remember anything in episode 1 and 2 besides an overwhelming feeling of awful.

You're all a bunch of Star Wars haters, all the star wars films were amazing. I am sure this film will be very good too. I wish they would actually make a movie out of the Jedi Knight game series, the story in that game is amazing and the characters have an amazing amount of depth and story. I got the whole series.  ;D

Care to go into further depth into what exactly makes them amazing? A person falling out of an airplane at an altitude of 3,000 feet and living is amazing without explination. Your comment is not.

Reptile, I challange you to a lightsaber duel on JK2!

also, i'd rather see movies based on the KOTOR games.

I think I've done the Star Wars rant before, but hey, no one listens to me anyway, so I might as well not be listened to now as well.....:

Star Wars is quite possibly the most overrated movie series in cinematic history.

I don't HATE the series (series including the original trilogy too), but I still fail to see what is so special about them, I do not understand the cult following they have. I acknowledge the impact they have had on pop culture & whatnot, but I still don't see WHY. The story is fair enough, a relatively simple "good vs evil" concept, and that does them credit. I just don't see anything else about them that makes them outstanding.....the acting is wooden, the direction is nothing special.

The special effects in the OT were revolutionary, and as a result were worth watching in the sense of them being historical, nothing like this had been attempted so well before then, but now big ol' Lucas had edited and "inproved" all of them that has kind of defeated their purpose, and so they have lost one of the tihngs that have saved them in my book.

As for the new trilogy (and by trilogy I mean eps I & II) I don't see why so many HATE them. I think they're just about as good as the 70s ones in terms of acting etc, and the special effects are again an example of up-to-the-monent technology (although I would probably argue that there is an over-reliance on these effects, but that is a criticism of most blockbusters these days anyway). I think that people don't like these ones because they have failed to recapture the magic that people felt back then in their pre-pubescent days. They don't have the same spark that they did then because big budget stuff like this is a dime-a-dozen these days.

I'll go see the third film, & I'll probably enjoy it. As long as they tie up loose ends, I'm happy. I just don't expect a revolution.

veryweirdguy, this is just about personal preferences, so it's hard to argue about exactly what's good and bad etc.
I kind of liked the original three movies cause I like the style and the atmosphere, and I didn't mind the acting and the plot being a bit corny. To me it was a bit of a sci-fi-epic-cult thingy, kind of cozy. (I've never been much of a film critic)

I sort of liked the last star wars episode, whatever it was called (episode 2 I guess), at least I didn't dislike it as much as most people did.
Overall, it's not really my genre anyway. I do look forward to this episode 3 though.

verywierdguy - I find it funny that you have that opinion on the Original trilogy given that you weren't born until almost a decade after Return of the Jedi was released ;)

It would be like me saying, "I don't understand why so many people liked the '69 Camaro ... it's not that great" (even though I adore the car). 

Star Wars was magical to many people.  Hollywood, in the late 70's, was a different place than it is now.  Star Wars basically opened the doors for 'blockbuster' movies.  Granted, I was a baby when Star Wars was released, but I remember when Empire came out and all the hooplah around it.  I vividly remember standing in line all the way around the corner waiting to get in to see Jedi on opening day.

Maybe you just had to be there ...

I've learned that just because something doesn't mean anything to me, doesn't mean it shouldn't mean something to others.  The original trilogy is still on the top of my 'all time favorite movies' list and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Episode I and II were fun to watch.  Sure, they might not have the same magic that I felt as a child watching the original, but that's okay. 

And when people say, "The first two movies suck ... there's so many plot holes and inconsistencies" it makes me want to puke.

It's like reading 2/3 of the way through a novel and then stopping and saying "This novel sucks ... there's too many loose ends"

The story isn't complete ... that's why it's a trilogy.  I have no doubt that episode III will tie all the loose ends together making 1-3 a complete trilogy and making the 'saga' complete as well.

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Thu 24/03/2005 15:47:51
verywierdguy - I find it funny that you have that opinion on the Original trilogy given that you weren't born until almost a decade after Return of the Jedi was released ;)

Hehe, you got me. I guess my post falls flat now.

First time I saw the originals it was the PROPER originals, the 70/80s ones. I think I was like 5 or 6, and I loved them. The adventure was there, the puppets & *FLASH!* *BANG!*s were there, I was too young to really appreciate much else about them. Now that I tend to have...opinions on things, I tend to think "so what?".

I agree that they were revolutionary films, & I had not considered the fact that they paved the way for "Blockbusters" in a way...thinking about the years after when we had our Jaws & our ETs etc etc, so yeah, I agree, they are important films, I just don't think they're that special. Maybe you did have to be there, and maybe people will think this of things like Lord of the Rings in years to come. And maybe I will get pissed off at the lil' cynical teenager who is putting Gollum's "inferior technology" down like many will want to do me right now :P

But I guess I was mainly referring to people my age (a few friends of mine, for example) who worship the movies. They were not born until almost a decade after Return Of the Jedi was released, & so did not experience this "magic" which you mention. I mean, I have nothing against it of course, as Andail says, it's all about personal preferences. :)

And I completely agree with your Ep I & II comments. People don't feel the magic again, so they poopoo the films, which I think are just as good as the originals to be honest. They have that same degree of general "fun", even if they have been designed for a different generation.

Also, I would like to point out that I don't dislike old movies (some may get this impression from my post), I'm just not a Star Wars...guy. They're good enough films, just not masterpieces, in my humble opinion. Different Strokes, etc

I disagree that the reasons the previous two Star Wars films are bad is due to the 'magic' being lost or whatever. They're just terrible films, rotten to the core - the concepts and writing are awful. At least the first three were well written and well produced no matter what your opinions are about the direction and effects.

As for the 'everything will make sense with the third film' argument, that one was being used by the Matrix fans and Revolutions turned out to be a steaming pile of horse refuse.

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As for the 'everything will make sense with the third film' argument, that one was being used by the Matrix fans and Revolutions turned out to be a steaming pile of horse refuse.

I agree - The Matrix Revolutions DID blow Monkeyballs.

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I wholehearedly disagree. Matrix Revolutions, in fact, didn't live up to the original.. BUT it's far from being bad. Watch them again, they get better and better after subsequent viewings.

I didn't believe it either, but the Matrix sequels are actually rather good films.

I've always loved the argument that something gets better after multiple watchings. The recording itself doesn't change, unless little men are coming in and taping over your copy.. So there is only one thing that can really be changing.

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I wholehearedly disagree. Matrix Revolutions, in fact, didn't live up to the original.. BUT it's far from being bad. Watch them again, they get better and better after subsequent viewings.

I didn't believe it either, but the Matrix sequels are actually rather good films.

No, I've seen both multiple times.  I still think they suck ass.  The Matrix, however, is a great film.

Bt

There's an android in episode 1 I think? on a battlefield? that reaches for binoculars to look over the plains. An android. Using binoculars.

That's how smart the first two episodes were, really.

Maybe he had problems with his lenses.

Hey, but that's the stuff we love about Star Wars, isn't it?

I love the first three ones because they are not perfect compared to todays productions...

Puppets and animatronics will always, always be more awesome than CGI.

(Yes, that comment appears to have come out of nowhere but I swear there's a tenuous link with the last post! Honest!)

I've seen SW3 yesterday and I must say that if you watch the film with low expectations it will be a suprisingly nice film. There were some things that I didn't expect. Overall a good film, but that might be because of the destructive nature that appeared so much in the 3 originals.

however...and here it comes...there were some "flaws".

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1. Why didn't someone saw the jedi holocaust comming. They could have read a klone's mind.
2. If the jedi in the temple are so powerful why did they got their asses kicked by the klones.
3. If Anikin is so afraid of losing Padmin, why is he so distant from her.
4. Padmin has transformed from a strong queen to a humble housewife.
5. Anikin informs Mace Windo that the senator is a sith lord, the senator reveals his true face, Anikin chops Windo's hand off, the senator kills Windo, Anikin says "what have I done", the senator asks Anikin to join the dark side with his charisma -5 and Anikin just says "...okay".  Anikin swithes sides like a lightswitch.
6. Why is Chubacca in the film. Characters that don't infuence the story don't have to make an appearence. (same goes for 3CPO, though)
7.  (and this had nothing to do with the story itself). While watching the second-last scene, the film got off the reel. CRAPPY MOVIE THEATRE, LAST TIME I GO THERE! So I think that the second-last scene is about the senator becomming officially the emperer.

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All and all, a big movie with a small story. Think about it, the story of the SW films are focussed on just a handfull of characters while the si-fi CGI enviroment are there just to distract us. Most of the characters don't change a bit throughout the film. They change between the bit that is not filmed. Finally we're done with the prequals.

Hmm, I saw the movie last night as well. (and now, 4 hours later, I'm sitting at work worshipping my cup of coffee...)  And I have a different opinion....

Personally I thought it was GREAT.  I mean, sure, we ALL know what's going to happen, but it still hit me like a ton of bricks when it did.  It's the first Star Wars that actually made me tear up a little.  Of course, I didn't analyze the inconsistencies as much as some people do.  I just sit back, watch, and enjoy.  I thought it tied episode 2 to episode 4 extremely well.  Yet again, Yoda was a bada$$.  R2 was fabulous. 

Seeing it opening night is always fun, because there's just so much excitment in the air.  People dressed up, people cheering when the credits roll, lught sabers piecing the darkness of the theater... it was a good time. 

Now I don't want to go on a rant here, no thats a lie, yes I do.
I just want to make a point.
Now personally I liked Episode 1, for two main reasons.
1) It was childish, and I was a child at the time of seeing it
2) There were robots in it. Everybody loves robots.

I'm not saying I don't like Star Wars, but I would like to poke some holes in it.
Apart from the light saber battles (low tech versions available in movies like The Princess Bride, or anything with fencing), the most memorable scene in the first movie (Episode 4), was probably the Death Star trench run.

Lucas openly admits that he ripped this whole scene off from The Dambusters.

So what Star Wars has done is taken your typical swordplay/Battle of Britain type film, and added lasers. Essentially, the most memorable parts of the film (Darth Vader excluded)  have been stolen from other films.

I too thought it was pretty darn great.

R2's humor was ... I think it was hilarious at first, but I think it went on a little long.

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PROS
- Yoda was great!  Piggybacking on Chewie brought huge applause.
- Palpatine's origins were great to hear!
- Tarkin w/ the Emperor and Vader looking at the construction of the Death Star
- The no CG set of the Tantive IV and captain Antilles (hearkening to EpIV) was awesome!
- The Millenium Falcon in one of the opening scenes was great!
- Emperor calling Yoda (my little green friend)

CONS
- I think Grievous was an unnecessary character.  Dooku should have escaped so Anakin could kill him later to end the clone wars
- Where was the scene with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa starting/forming the rebellion (I was REALLY waiting for that)
- Qui Gon should have been in there AND talked to Obi-Wan
- Midichlorians are not in eps 4-6, this should have been explained

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Ah hell I could go on an on with the Pros ... just a few more cons.

All in all I think it was awesome.  It was definitely the best of the prequels.

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If they don't mention midichlorinininans whatsoever in this movie I think it's a great move. Forget they ever were thought up I say. I'd even support George if he decides to edit episode 1 and 2 so all references to them are removed.

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Saw it last night at midnight.  I loved it; it was a great way to spend my 27th birthday.

It's a movie, not a bible.  I was entertained.


Bt

Hey, I went for my 27th b-day too. :-)  Well, actually my b-day isn't until tomorrow, but my friend bought the tickets for my b-day.

Happy birthday to you!

I liked it. It was weird to see Darth Vader again, kinda brought back the feeling of seeing him when i was younger, scary D:

I saw it opening day, midnight, the whole shebang. And I loved it. Sure there were a few things wrong, but in my opinion, it was way better than the other two prequels (And I love Episode I!).

Funniest Moment:

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Right before Obi-Wan and Padme leave for the lava planet, there's a quick shot of Obi-Wan sitting down in this small stall thingie, then closing the door with the Force. Is it just me, or did it look like Obi-Wan was entering a startship bathroom (Think Airplane Bathrooms)? I laughed so hard when I thought this.

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I liked hearing Vader say Padme's name.  And then, when the Emperor said that in his rage Anakin had killed her you can see (even through the mask) the last vestige of Anakin Skywalker die and Darth Vader (the one we know and love/hate) is born.  It was quite cool.

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Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 20/05/2005 18:20:54
I liked hearing Vader say Padme's name.

Boy, you're easily pleased :=

Personally, I thought the plot was just as pathetic, ridiculous and unbelievable as the first two.
I liked the action, and the atmosphere of the last half hour was good.

Meh.

I thought Lucas tried to fit a load of stuff from the other films and consentrated on forcing it rather than just letting it happen, like the random appearences of jar jar and stuff although i though the glimps of the millenium falcon was pretty cool heh. Is it me or did Anikan turn into golum at the end?. I thought the acting was a bit shoddy to say the least aswell....and Chewwie wasn't in it enough either.

I think that they really learned from their mistakes with episodes I and II.Ã,  While the first 2 had very tedious unemotional plots, this one had a much more emotional and epic plot...and they definitely tried to play this up at least.Ã,  The acting was of course not the greatest, but at least they had some meat to go on, and they tried to go all out which is much better than just not even attempting to put emotion in.Ã,  Towards the end of the movie, it was pretty intense...and hearing vader cry out Padme's name really humanized his character and made his perspective seem more real, I thought.

Episodes 4,5,6 were not the amazing movies they're made out to be either.Ã,  Their success had a lot to do with society at the time they came out.Ã,  If episodes I and II got a C-, I'd say episode III gets a B.

I saw it, and liked it a lot ... but some of the acting was truly bad. Worse even than in ep I or ep II. ("Noooooooo!" anyone?)
However, that was only during some moments ... overall the movie rocked hard. I especially like the huge lizard and the way the movie wraps up, ready for ep IV. :)

So I saw episode three last night with my girlfriend, we both came out slightly bewildered. Visually impossible to follow as there's so much clutter on the screen during the action sequences and the lightsabre battles were unwatchable as it felt like someone was shining a powerful torch directly into your eyes twenty times a second. A bunch of stuff happened that didn't really matter because we all knew the outcome before going into the cinema. Woefully bad dialogue, stale acting (did everyone act like robots to blend with the emotionless computer graphics better?), epilepsy-inducing direction, plotholes aplenty, no reason to feel any empathy for any of these characters whatsoever - what was the point of this film? It was like watching very expensive glowing multicoloured laser paint dry for two hours.

The Anti-Bush stuff was good though. And watching Hayden Christensen burn.

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sat 21/05/2005 13:13:42The Anti-Bush stuff was good though.

It wasn't anti-Bush.  It was anti-Vietnam.

"Filmmaker George Lucas insists that the genesis of his story dates back 30 years. But he pointed out that certain themes do seem to repeat themselves, whether here and now or a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away."  (source: Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/16/BL2005051600615.html))

While it may have some similarities and parallels to our current commander-in-chief, it wasn't written about him.

Honestly guys, I think you were all expecting FAR too much.  I don't think the acting in the prequels was any worse than the original trilogy.  In the end it has the same plot (now that you can see the first three in a row) which is revealed to be about Anakin Skywalker.

Ep IV - Ep VI's special effects were top-of-the-line back in 77-83 and Ep I - Ep III's are top of the line now.

About the only gripe I would agree with is that the dialogue was better in the originals, but the dialogue in the prequels isn't as horrible as all the bashers complain about.

I admire George for doing it the way he wanted.  I, personally, would love to have the clout to do it 'my way' and make the movie I wanted to see. 

Personally I think Ep III tied the whole series together nicely.

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sat 21/05/2005 13:13:42plotholes aplenty

Could you elaborate on the plotholes?  What plotholes did you see?

My opinion is that the new movies suck and will always suck, even if they weren't crap, because new movies should never have been made. Star Wars was fine the way it was, and George is a dickhead. I hate him, I hate the new movies, and I refuse to catalogue them in my brain as being apart of the Star Wars I know and love. I'm so fucking sick of now having to specify "the original trilogy" when I want to say, "I love Star Wars". This whole situation shits me, I hate him, I hate the movies. They can all go to hell, and they suck.

There. Take that, y'all. Yo.

Quote from: Kinoko on Sat 21/05/2005 16:43:25
My opinion is that the new movies suck and will always suck, even if they weren't crap, because new movies should never have been made. Star Wars was fine the way it was, and George is a dickhead. I hate him, I hate the new movies, and I refuse to catalogue them in my brain as being apart of the Star Wars I know and love. I'm so fucking sick of now having to specify "the original trilogy" when I want to say, "I love Star Wars". This whole situation shits me, I hate him, I hate the movies. They can all go to hell, and they suck.

There. Take that, y'all. Yo.

You are literally angry with rage!

Bt

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Quote from: Kinoko on Sat 21/05/2005 16:43:25
My opinion is that the new movies suck and will always suck, even if they weren't crap, because new movies should never have been made. Star Wars was fine the way it was, and George is a dickhead. I hate him, I hate the new movies, and I refuse to catalogue them in my brain as being apart of the Star Wars I know and love. I'm so fucking sick of now having to specify "the original trilogy" when I want to say, "I love Star Wars". This whole situation shits me, I hate him, I hate the movies. They can all go to hell, and they suck.

There. Take that, y'all. Yo.

You are literally angry with rage!

Anger leads to the darkside Kinoko ... I say go for it :)

Switch "movies" for games, "Star Wars" with "Monkey Island", and "the original trilogy" with "the first two", and that little rant could've come from me! Except it probably wouldn't be fair to blame George Lucas in that case.

As for Star Wars III, i'm still looking forward to it! I don't think I feel anywhere near strongly enough about Star Wars in general anymore to really have any passionate positive or negative feelings towards the new film. Whatever my feelings turn out to be, I'll make sure not to explain or defend them in any way, just because I'm so goddamn sick of talking about Star Wars in anything more then a general way.

Hey! Blaming George Lucas is never wrong.

He's history's greatest monster!!

My Praise:

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1. The action was fun to watch and the first scene was amazing. Though it felt like a climax rather than an opening.
2. The SFX have advanced and aren't as obvious. Yoda looked almost real in most of his scenes.
3. Anakin wasn't such a pussy in this one.
4. Dialogue wasn't has cheesy/horribly written.
5. The final fight scene was awesome
6. Seeing Darth and hearing the theme again was nostalgic and fun.
7. WOOKIES!

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My Nitpicks:

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1. The droids were way too comical for such a dark film. They say "ow" when they get hit... ROBOTS DON'T FEEL PAIN!
2. I wanted to strangle Padme. Every scene she was in made her seem so weak and useless and...  Well, Sshe went from being the Queen of Naboo to a housewive.
3. Why wouldn't anyone notice Padme was pregnant?
4. How were the Jedi's killed so easily by CLONES?
5. Some of the saber scenes looked horribly coreographed.. I.E Mace vs. Palpatine.
6. Useless or drawn out scenes. I.E. Anakin and Padme staring at the sunset for 3 minutes.
7. Overall, George Lucas's storytelling is dodgy and sometimes I find myself missing something.
8. The dialogue seems forced. The humans talk like they're robots. It's ironic, because sometimes I think C-3PO has the most character in the film, and he was only in it mere minutes. I mean.. Even Ewan McGregor didn't seem comfortable in his role. I really don't think Lucas knows how to direct actor's or convey complex plot. Look at THX-1138 to get what I mean. It's a pretty film, but I have no idea what's going on!

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There's probably more for each sides of the arguement. I was still entertained and thought this was best out of the trilogy.

I thought the film was like one big anti-climax. It just seemed like a pointless string of events leading to the inevitable breathing from behind the black mask. It just got boring seeing Anakin constantly moaning to Padme or Obi Wan. Some of the action scenes were good to watch, but began to lack originality. The only the thing consistantly good throughout the film was the special effects. They were brilliant. And I suppose it was nice to see exactly why he needs that whole suit thing.

Holy smokes it's Jimi!

Where you been man?  It's been almost a year since your last post!

Im not ganna say what its about.  bout the new star wars is awsome.      Its a must see it pisses all over part 1 and 2 :) .

My personal gripes against the movie were primarily nitpicking.  I did enjoy the hell out of it and got a much better movie experience from it than a couple other POS's I've seen recently.  Comparing technicalities (SFX, acting skill, written dialogue, events, plot holes) between trilogies isn't what shows E.I-III to be lacking.  It's that the first two weren't any damned fun.  I wanted to love 'em, heard no hype about E.I before seeing it and was bored.  It was neither a thought-provoking movie that kept my brain interested, nor an adrenaline rush to keep me excited about a film.  I thought E. III showed a bit of a return to the overall feeling of the later ones: Gritty, characters thrown off balance, epic events that shape the galaxy (No.. not pod races), etc.

As for Ep. III, what hurt my soul was how close they came to doing something and then GWL just decided to hump its leg instead. 

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When Padme confronts Evil Annie, her reaction to the betrayal is excellent.. his is flat, with a couple lines sounding like sentences were cut in half.  My primary gripe, though, is how they touched upon depth then stomped it.  They had a perfectly understandable reason for him to go to the dark side, to save Padme, they didn't have to harp on the topic - "Choose evil, it's really cool" "No." "Aw, c'mon, evil's not that bad." "Oh, alright." 

They even gave people a good reason to choose dark over light: Yoda says that death is part of life and that a jedi has to let go of attachments to loved ones and not be sad if/when they pass away. Grief leads to the dark side.  Sounded like a crap philosophy to me.  They didn't delve into that at all, just a simple conversion of Anakin to Evil 0.9b, and he turns Insta-Asshole.  "Kill some little kids to show how evil you can be." "No.. wait.. umm. sure."  A more subtle change (i.e. ushers kids out but they get mown down anyway) would've been nice is all.

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Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sat 21/05/2005 16:38:05
It wasn't anti-Bush.  It was anti-Vietnam.

Hello hello? "You're either with me or my enemy", I'm very sure that's a paraphrase of the way America's government thinks, I think Bush even said something similar. There's a lot of criticism towards the political environment in the US in Ep. 3, although I guess it's easier to see when looking in from the outside.

QuoteHonestly guys, I think you were all expecting FAR too much.

Really? I knew when I was munching my popcorn watching the trailer for Batman Begins that what I was about to see would be "blah" at best judging on the previous two films Lucas has made. It turns out that if I'd stayed at home and had someone wiggle their fingers infront of my eyes while turning the lights on and off and going "Blam! Kerpow! Rumble rumble WHUM WHUM" in my ears for two hours then holding up a bit of cardboard with "Padme dies, Anakin goes bad" I would have probably gotten roughly the same level of enjoyment. 

And besides, are we supposed to lower our expectations of what a good movie should be just because Lucas couldn't write or direct his way out of a paper bag?

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Ep IV - Ep VI's special effects were top-of-the-line back in 77-83 and Ep I - Ep III's are top of the line now.

And I think this was the problem with the new Episodes. In the original trilogy the effects were there to help immerse you in this alternate galaxy while your onscreen buddies go on an adventurous romp, to help suspend your disbelief. The new trilogy is nothing BUT special effects, everything is founded inside the computer where suddenly it becomes so unbelieveable that it's quite blatant everything you see is just an elaborate set-piece done in Maya and you stop caring for anything that's going on. When Darth Vader and Obi-Wan duel in Episode 4 it's much more exciting as although it's not as acrobatically 'impressive' as their "hi-we're-keyframed-computer-models-moving-too-fast-to-concentrate-on" battle in 'Sith', it actually _feels_ like two guys fighting with lightsabres - you become totally engrossed in the tension created by the wise bearded hermit taking on the face of evil. Anakin and Obi-Wan swinging their things around on a platform about to plunge into molten rock? It's ok, they're just zeros and ones hanging over more zeros and ones. My disbelief is not suspended no matter how many hours it took to render that frame.

It's the same problems that the two Matrix sequals had, too much dependance on what can be done on a computer then overloading your senses with it. The focus shifts from making an entertaining film to cramming as much crap on one frame, and so instead of being inspired by what I see on screen I'm just bored silly by it.

QuoteCould you elaborate on the plotholes?  What plotholes did you see?

Here's one for you - in 'Empire' Obi-Wan doesn't know that Leia is Luke's brother until Yoda tells him, yet he watched Padme giving birth!

Oh yes, how long does it take them to build the Death Star between Episode 3 and 4? Certainly a damnsite longer than it takes between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Time, it makea no sense! Maybe it's the same reason in Episode 4 why one of Vader's cronies says something along the lines of "you don't scare me with your heebie-jeebie lah-de-dah ramblings of an ancient dead religion" shortly before being strangled by Darth's heebie jeebie lah de dah mind powers. It can't have been more than 30 years ago that Jedi's were everywhere dude, surely you can remember! They were all excecuted after plotting to overthrow the Chancellor, you  must have at least heared about it on the radio.

(Incidently this response isn't a personal attack on you Darth if it seems like it, it's just given me a good chance to elaborate on the feelings I had after watching Ep 3. ;) )

I saw it. For a LONG time I felt like I was just watching the movie as homework- you can't be a geek unless you've seen the new Star Wars! I found myself wishing for a clock so that I could figure out how long I was going to have to sit there.

My "Yay! Nifty!" moments

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1. Anakin getting fried. It both explained how he became "more machine than man," and Hayden Christiansen got set on fire. Result!
2. Yoda riding piggyback. Awww...
3. Anakin and Obi-Wan rescuing Palpatine. It was just a cool sequence.  Though the R2 humour was a biiiiit much.
4. The "we can rebuild him" bit at the end. Which is what we've all been waiting for for the past three movies. FINALLY!

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My "Boo! Yucky!" moments

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1. What's with R2 having a jet propulstion system?  Where did that come from?
2. Why did EVERYBODY seem to get their hands chopped off? Mace Windu, Anakin, Dooku, Grievous got his hands chopped off TWICE... Are we beginning to see a pattern?
3.Grievous in general. Would YOU follow a guy who's name means "causing grief or anguish?" Doesn't seem like a nice guy.
4. "Be evil!" "No!" "Be EVIL!" "Okay!" Good lord, grow a backbone, Mr. Skywalker.
5. Why wouldn't Leia notice that she looks NOTHING like her "parents?" Dark skin, black hair for them, pale skin, brown hair for her. Yeesh.

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QuoteHere's one for you - in 'Empire' Obi-Wan doesn't know that Leia is Luke's brother until Yoda tells him, yet he watched Padme giving birth!

Interesting.  I never interpretted it that way.  All he said was, "That boy was our last hope ..." and Yoda says, "No ... there is another" in reference to Leia.  I never interpretted that as Ben not knowing about Leia.  I mean ... it IS Ben who tells Luke of Leia in RotJ.

QuoteOh yes, how long does it take them to build the Death Star between Episode 3 and 4? Certainly a damnsite longer than it takes between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Time, it makea no sense!

Again this isn't something that really bothered me ... I mean, who's to say?  Maybe they built it in 3 years but making the 'super laser' takes them a lot longer.  Maybe that's not the same death star as in A New Hope.  Maybe it's a 'prototype' or a smaller model or something?  Maybe the 'super laser' in Star Wars was an upgrade to aging weapons platform?

QuoteMaybe it's the same reason in Episode 4 why one of Vader's cronies says something along the lines of "you don't scare me with your heebie-jeebie lah-de-dah ramblings of an ancient dead religion" shortly before being strangled by Darth's heebie jeebie lah de dah mind powers. It can't have been more than 30 years ago that Jedi's were everywhere dude, surely you can remember! They were all excecuted after plotting to overthrow the Chancellor, you  must have at least heared about it on the radio.

That's funny :)  Made me laugh.  I think the point here was that a lot of people had lost faith in the Jedi.  They didn't like them anymore even when they were around.  OR they were sick of them and wanted them removed.  Kind of like Nazis dislike of the Jews.  They doubted the power of the force.  After near 20 years of no Jedi I'm sure memory of their power would start to fade ...

Again, it's funny how differently the same material can be interpretted.  I don't see any of these as plot holes, but I guess I can understand how you do.

Quote(Incidently this response isn't a personal attack on you Darth if it seems like it, it's just given me a good chance to elaborate on the feelings I had after watching Ep 3. Wink )

No worries!  I asked you to elaborate and you did so quite nicely :)

I'm not gonna put a spoiler thingy cause people shouldn't read this if they havent seen the movie....

I like it. My only gripe/joke is this. Anakin thinks he killed his gal by choking her.....Then, I go and watch him as vader in the original (ep 4) and looky looky, he's all choking people out with the force....thats like his signature move...You'd think he'd have some mental issues tied to choking people, heh....

maybe how he realised just how effective it was? :P

Also, I find it funny that the other Jedi didn't tottally see anakin turning to the dark side....He was always wearing black and all whiny....He was like total goth jedi...

One thing that was a bit stupid was the part where R2 spilled the oil and lit it with the jets. It just seemed.. a bit stupid.

But as a whole, I liked it very much.

on the politics of it all, the paraphrasing of contemporary speeches and the naiming of Newt Gunray are pretty shallow anti-republicanism, whilst not really presenting reasons why, but the level of depth is par for the course with Lucas, the films glorify war in the end anyway.

it's a minor point that epople interpret the films as against mechanised warfare, for it's dehumanising elements, yet makes sure that the badguys, as clones or robots, are dehumanised completely...surely the humanity of war lies in the fact both sides suffer, rather than just the cute creatures on your side...

meh, comes from trying to read into popcorn.

Have you ever seen The Battle of Algiers? If so, is that the kind of example you mean?

While on the subject of Star Wars... http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/238514
STAR WARS TRANSITIONS!

Quote from: Haddas on Mon 23/05/2005 19:18:09
While on the subject of Star Wars... http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/238514
STAR WARS TRANSITIONS!

Star Wars transitions have ALWAYS been that way, ever since the 1977 release....... the transitions are an homage to 30's and 40's Flash Gordon serials, much like Star Wars was in the first place.


Bt

Yes, and the flash sucked anyway.

I never noticed too many "transitions"....I had watched that flash earlier and didn't understand it or think it worthy of the time it took to load....

I found the transitions very distracting, possibly because the scenes themselves were very short (with the exception of the opening sequence, which took forever compared to the rest of them). It felt like Lucas just said, "Okay, we're done with showing off the CGI, cram some dialogue in and let's move onto the next scene. Ooh! More special effects! Let's do a horizantal bar fade to a double triangle to a circle to the next scene. Yeah, that might do it. For now."

Did anyone else think Grievous was a great villain in the wrong place? He was so ridiculous and over-the-top, with the constant cough and the cowardice and the four lightsabers, etc, he would have been a perfect villain for a movie that wasn't supposed to be serious and tragic. I was almost always laughing whenever he was on screen. Even his death was completely outrageous. Why the hell does he explode like that?

Also, I got the idea that the Jedi are a bunch of hypocrites and certainly not the perfect peacekeepers they're displayed as in the other movies. Unfortunately, this isn't developed, and instead Anakin just goes evil without really any discussion or reason.

However, I did enjoy: "So this is how liberty ends. . . with thunderous applause."

Overall, I was entertained by the movie. It was entertaining and had the action I desired. It did have minor things here and there. For the most part, like most people have already mentioned, the mood was kind of ruined by some of the "comic reliefy" stuff.

I actually giggled when darth vadar yelled out "No".

As far as unnatural dialog is concerned, there has rarely been an ounce of realistic dialog in any six of the movies. The characters are just too fictional to allow it. Many of the situations are just unbelievable no matter that it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. But you just have to accept that it's a movie and get over it.

The only thing I can't stand from fans is all the lucas bashing that goes around. He wrote a decent space opera, and has provided me with six movies of entertainment. They're not the best movies I have ever seen, but I take them for a light movie with some nice action and a bit of comedy, with science fiction, and I'm happy. Sure there are some mistakes he's made, but I think for anything bad he's done he's done just as much good to a movie.
But I'm rambling now, so I'll stop.

-MillsJROSS

I've just seen it... It's quite cool, but I think that only because it leaves it all arranged for episode IV. I enjoyed it quite a lot, but it makes me feel so weird about the original trilogy, in the sense that the special effects, specially in the battle of Yavin, look quite rediculous (which doesn't mean that I think "A new hope" is bad... It is the second film of the 6 I like most). I would really revisit all that battle into a digitall one, with the new DVD's it shouldn't be a problem to sell both, original and revisited, together.

The fight between the old Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader in the death star looks very naive if compared with the fight they had 20 years before... Let's assume that the age of Ben and the wounds of Darth made it that way.

Farlander, no offense, but if you ever rule the world, I'll kill myself. ^_^

I wish people would leave original Star Wars alone. It's already been fucked around with enough (luckily we have both the DVDs and original, untouched LDs at my place).

Because of that "don't touch the original ones" spirit, I'd release a good revisited ones with the original, with no revisit at all, to compare.Ã, 

I don't like the nowadays mix of models/digital, which looks quite confusing for me.

One thing it to remain blind to some silly things that happen in the Star Wars gallaxy (Like hearing sounds in the space, some gravity effects that should never happen in the space, the fact that you can have an open space to the space in the big spaceships without escape of the ship's atmosphera, the nice "unbloody" cut the lightsabers do...) You can image that that gallaxy was previous to the big bang and might have another physic laws. I am not annoyed by seeing a powder explossion of a spaceship model... My mind is opened to imagine that in "In a place far away, a long long time ago..." that was possible.

But another thing is to see in one scene a powder explossion of a model and in the next one a digital one... It make it very unconsistent, IMO.

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 24/05/2005 11:19:05
the fact that you can have an open space to the space in the big spaceships without escape of the ship's atmosphera, the nice "unbloody" cut the lightsabers do...)

It's got a force shield preventing oxygen and such from penetrating, and the lightsabers are tremendously hot, so they'd burn the wound shut.

So in the SW universe there are klones and robots to fight your wars, there are flying cars andÃ, you can travel faster then light. Yet, they never heard of ANTI-CONCEPTION pills/objects? Anikin, can't you use forcepullout just before you reach climax?

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 24/05/2005 11:19:05
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One thing it to remain blind to some silly things that happen in the Star Wars gallaxy (Like hearing sounds in the space, some gravity effects that should never happen in the space, the fact that you can have an open space to the space in the big spaceships without escape of the ship's atmosphera, the nice "unbloody" cut the lightsabers do...)
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There has never been a explosion in space while someone was taking a spacewalk without their suit on. The explosions might be bubbles of carbon dioxcide that make the shockwave be heard. And all the si-fi series have sound in space. It's weird that you nitpick on this.

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 24/05/2005 07:42:58
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I would really revisit all that battle into a digitall one, with the new DVD's it shouldn't be a problem to sell both, original and revisited, together.
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Instead of revising the originals into a rendered movie, play some lucasart games like rogue sqadron and x-wing vs tie-fighter.

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sun 22/05/2005 13:48:27
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And I think this was the problem with the new Episodes. In the original trilogy the effects were there to help immerse you in this alternate galaxy while your onscreen buddies go on an adventurous romp, to help suspend your disbelief. The new trilogy is nothing BUT special effects, everything is founded inside the computer where suddenly it becomes so unbelieveable that it's quite blatant everything you see is just an elaborate set-piece done in Maya and you stop caring for anything that's going on. When Darth Vader and Obi-Wan duel in Episode 4 it's much more exciting as although it's not as acrobatically 'impressive' as their "hi-we're-keyframed-computer-models-moving-too-fast-to-concentrate-on" battle in 'Sith', it actually _feels_ like two guys fighting with lightsabres - you become totally engrossed in the tension created by the wise bearded hermit taking on the face of evil. Anakin and Obi-Wan swinging their things around on a platform about to plunge into molten rock? It's ok, they're just zeros and ones hanging over more zeros and ones. My disbelief is not suspended no matter how many hours it took to render that frame.
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I agree with one, zero, zero percent. A movie like shaulin soccer uses over-the-top CG effects too, but they use it only on special occasions. In this way, the special FX feel like the single candy you get from your grandparents just before you go home. While eps.I-III & the matrix gives so much candy that your tummy hurts.

As said, I am open to accept that the Star Wars Universe physic laws are different, so, don't discuss with me about that examples I gave, because they don't specially annoy me.

I don't really understand the spirit of your "play X-wing and Rogue Squadron"  ??? I finished X-wing and Tie-Fighter games, and I am proud of it! :D

About the mix of old an new effects... well, they left a bad feeling on me when seeing them together. That must not necessarilly happen to everybody... I don't really see the point of discussing about such personal feelings.

At first I was angry about all the CGI in the prequels ...

But then I realized that if he used the same special effects from eps IV-VI it would have been a disaster!  The movies would have been even less accepted then.

George had a vision back in the day to create this Space Opera.   He made the first 3 movies as close to his vision as the technology would allow at the time.  Now that he can go back and make the rest of his vision exactly how he wanted to back then why wouldn't he?

Also ... somebody commented earlier about why the wookies were included and they didn't belong etc.  Ewoks were originally supposed to be wookies and Endor was Kashyyk but the budget and technology didn't permit so the Ewoks were born.  He always wanted to visit the wookies homeworld, so he did it in Episode III.  I liked it.

Lastly ... a scene (perhaps my fav in the movie) that keeps sticking in my head is the scene where Bail Organa is shooed away from the Jedi Temple as the purge is going on and that young padawan comes out and goes down fighting.  For some reason that was my favorite scene in the movie.  I just really liked it.

That young Padawan in that scene was Lucas's son, Jett.


I wish George Lucas would fuck around with the original Star Wars trilogy more.  I think the 1977 release sucked major ass, and if I had my druthers, I'd replace it all with CG.  I'm actually glad that one can't own the original trilogy on DVD, as it stinks like rotten crotch.


Bt

Hmmm, there's been a lot of things said here that I would like to comment on... but I'll only comment on a few...

First of all, I think the comparisons that people are making in comparing this movie to George Bush are ludicrous.  Ok, NOT a Bush fan here.  And I suppose I can see WHY someone would make the comparison... but these stories were written 30 YEARS AGO, while Bush was busy getting DUI's... long before he was even in politics. 

Someone asked why it took so long to build the Death Star between 3 and 4, but not 5 and 6.  The Death Star wasn't finished in 6.  Remember?

I've seen so many people comment on the acting and dialogue in the prequels.  Come on now.  I agree with that.  It was pretty piss poor, althought I do think that Hayden was much better in 3 than he was in 2.  Still bad, but better.  Ok.  But really.  Look at the original trilogy. Now, I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan.  Always have been.  I mean, I love it.  But really.  Much of the acting was AWFUL in the original.  Harrison Ford was great, but ever think about WHY Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher have done JACK since those movies.  Because they are terrible terrible actors.  They were awful in those movies.  Of course, the dialogue didn't help.  As much as I love George Lucas and his work... he really doesn't have any idea how people communicate.  Two scenes right off the top of my head.... the scene on Endor.. "Leia, you're my sister." "I know, somehow I've always known." and then Han comes out and there's the whole "Hold me" Scene.  Awful awful scene.  And in Empire, when Han is rubbing Leias hand and she's like, "Stop that my hands are dirty."  "My hands are dirty too..."  Terrible.  Yet, I still love the movies, because it's the story that's important. 

So I watch the prequels and think... wow.  What a cool story.  The movies are fun to watch.  Yeah, there is bad acting and inconsistencies, but there was the same in the original trilogy.  So I ignore that, and just sit back and enjoy the films for what they are. 

It bugs me (sorry if it'sbeen mentioned before or someone explained why) is that in episode V Ben Kenobi's ghost seems to know nothing at all about Luke and Leia being brother's, whereas in ep. III he is witness of the birth.

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 24/05/2005 18:12:46
It bugs me (sorry if it'sbeen mentioned before or someone explained why) is that in episode V Ben Kenobi's ghost seems to know nothing at all about Luke and Leia being brother's, whereas in ep. III he is witness of the birth.

He never says he doesn't know of Leia.

He merely says "That boy is our last hope."
To which Yoda replies "No, there is another."

Those lines, however, are more for the audience, as in 1980 they kept audiences in suspence for three years as they waited for the sequel.  One must remember that these movies did come out sequentially, and the audiences at the time did not have the "glut" of Star Wars related information that we do now.  It was a film/dialogue suspension/tension builder.


Bt

Maybe Ben didn't know that Leia also fad the ability to use the force.  Maybe he thought that only one child could have the power.

Just a theory. :-)

Quote from: Farlander on Tue 24/05/2005 18:12:46
It bugs me (sorry if it's been mentioned before or someone explained why) is that in episode V Ben Kenobi's ghost seems to know nothing at all about Luke and Leia being brother's, whereas in ep. III he is witness of the birth.

Note the SEEMS... SEEMS SEEMS!!!11oneone!!!1  ;)

Come on... It is quite clear that what George had in mind in 1981 was that Ben knew nothing about Leia, and it's surelly been a headache for him in 2005. I am more close to Potch's theory. Being a ghost Ben might been not so able to perceive the force as Yoda was.

Ben and Yoda both know that in order to "save the galaxy" Darth Vader must be killed/removed from the equation.

They had both been assuming it would be Luke to do it.

When they realized that Luke might be killed because he was facing Vader too early (wasn't ready yet) Ben made the statement, "That boy was our only hope ..."

Yoda, a little more optimistically says, "No ... there is another."

I never took from this that Ben didn't know about Leia. Ã, I figured it was more like, "We're out of time ... that boy was our only hope."

To which Yoda replies, "No, there is another. Ã, Enough time we must have!"

Sure, Ben knows about Leia, but Leia hasn't been studying the force for the past 3 years and practicing with a lightsaber, etc.Ã,  She doesn't even know she has force potential.Ã,  She doesn't know Vader is her father.

If there's one thing the prequels have cleared up for me about the Originals is that the Jedi are arrogant and manipulative and think they always know what's right/best.Ã,  (which in most cases they do)Ã,  Yoda and Ben are just doing what they believe to be right and that is steering Luke towards a confrontation with his father and hoping that the outcome would be the one they want.

Just my thoughts ...

Quote from: Potch on Tue 24/05/2005 17:18:40
First of all, I think the comparisons that people are making in comparing this movie to George Bush are ludicrous.Ã,  Ok, NOT a Bush fan here.Ã,  And I suppose I can see WHY someone would make the comparison... but these stories were written 30 YEARS AGO, while Bush was busy getting DUI's... long before he was even in politics.

No, Lucas did not write the script thirty years ago. I would guess it was written around the time of or after Episode II. Just because he originally had some of the ideas that went into this film back in the seventies, it doesn't mean he had the story, much less every single line of dialogue, all this time.

Some people seem to have this weird idea that Lucas created the entire Star Wars saga in his mind before he even started shooting the first film, when all the evidence shows that he's been developing it all the way, sometimes changing the story radically from his original plans (Luke and Leia as siblings, for example). I mean, that's one of the main reasons why he keeps going back and changing the earlier movies.

To get back on point, I think it's fairly obvious that specific things that are emphasized in the film, and some lines of dialogue in particular, are none-too-subtle jabs at the current administration. "If you're not with me, you're my enemy!" - "Only a Sith thinks in absolutes." This can be true even if the general story predates our current situation.

I didn't say he wrote the script.  I said he wrote the story.  And Lucas has said in many interviews that he had the whole story planned out in 9 episodes before he even started writing A New Hope.  Plus, from what I understand, Ep 2 began fliming before Ep 1 was even in theaters, and Ep 3 began before Ep 2 aired.  I could be wrong about that though.  Lucas KNEW what kind of characters the emperor and vader were before he wrote the script.  he know what the Clone Wars and the Rebellion were all about.  it's not like he planned this big conspiracy to put this movie out and protest against George Bush.  Lucas's whole goal for the Star Wars movies was to take us AWAY from this place and take us to another world.  I just can't see him purposely bringing us back into our world, just to make a political statement.

Geeze - Oh - Peets!

"If you're not with me you're my enemy" is NOT a statement coined by George Bush.

It has been said throughout history countless times.

It has been used in several movies in Hollywood's history as well.

Revenge of the Sith is not a political statement about the current administration nor is it anti-Bush.

George Lucas doesn't have to make statements this way.  If he has something to say, he'd simply say it.

Anakin had gone over to the darkside.  He was saying, "support me or oppose me ... make your choice" it had NOTHING to do with George Bush. 

Can parallels be drawn?  Sure.  But I could also draw parallels to Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc.

Well, I think it was a bit better than mediocre. I don't know about episodes I-II, since I was too young to know the difference between a good film and a lousy one, but III still feels like the best out of the new three.

PLOT/STORY

It has a great tragic story about a boy who is tempted by the Dark Side through his naivety and greed, and even though some of the plot points were stupid (A ROBOT general? Puh-leeze! And what the hell does Count Dooku have anything to do with the story anyway? He's a completely unneccesary character!) but overall the story is pretty deep and made you think a bit about how we live life.

Quote from: YakSpit on Sun 22/05/2005 02:50:59
They even gave people a good reason to choose dark over light: Yoda says that death is part of life and that a jedi has to let go of attachments to loved ones and not be sad if/when they pass away. Grief leads to the dark side.Ã,  Sounded like a crap philosophy to me.

"Crap philosophy," eh? Although I admit that "grief leads to the dark side" is a BIT too much, who are we really crying for when someone dies, the person who died or yourself? It's kind of selfish, really. I also liked some of the quotes: "So this is how democracy ends... to tumultous applause." ANAKIN/VADER: If you are not with me, you are my enemy! OBI-WAN: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Those are by far the best quotes in Star Wars history. And about the dialogue: I can't detect cheesy dialogue very well, so I won't talk about that. But at least Jar Jar is almost completely absent from the film! And the end... that was nice. The end was actually a very iconic moment for me. I can't think of a better way out than Uncle and Aunt staring off into the sunset like Luke does in V. It's like there's still a very small glimmer of hope just over the horizon, that maybe it WILL all turn out OK in the end. Plus, all the plot holes are covered perfectly. The plot has no holes whatsoever. Really.

ACTING

I'm not sure why everyone thought the acting sucked. I admit, the Anakin/Padme moments were a bit cheesy, and when Emperor Palpatine was dying, the evil was a bit over-the-top, but all in all, it didn't suck as bad as the acting in Manos: Hands of Fate (the worst movie in history according to IMDB, check it out as long as it's the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version as the untouched version may be too painful to watch).

MUSIC

Great as ever. No question. The reprise of the fight chant thing from Episode I was awesome.

SFX

Awesome. But it's true that the fight scenes don't make you feel anything, they're a little "plastic".

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 25/07/2004 18:38:40
I still maintain that the third one will tie everything together and that the series, as a whole, will be a great, FULL, story!

You were right, DM. The series as a whole would have been so-so, but the third almost redeems the other two and makes for a really great story. But there's still one burning question that bugs me.

WHY THE HELL DOES MACE WINDU HAVE A PURPLE LIGHTSABER???!!

Hey dude, don't judge like that, it goes with his eyes.

Mace Windu has a purple lightsaber because Samuel L. Jackson's favorite color is purple.

And because he's Mace Fricking Windu.

*remembers rules*

Also remember that unless you think George can tell the future 20 years in advance, you can't claim that he meant to portray Dubya, since the Republic had to be turned into the Empire somehow, and that was kinda fixed...

Hello. The story arc of the prequals were concieved 20/30/whatever years ago but not actually written until recently. It's pretty obvious that Georgie has been inspired by recent political shenanigans... well, obvious if you aren't looking in the other direction.

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Wed 25/05/2005 02:52:51
Hello. The story arc of the prequals were concieved 20/30/whatever years ago but not actually written until recently. It's pretty obvious that Georgie has been inspired by recent political shenanigans... well, obvious if you aren't looking in the other direction.

Sorry Stalky, I just don't buy it.

As I said in my last post:

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Tue 24/05/2005 23:48:31
"If you're not with me you're my enemy" is NOT a statement coined by George Bush.

It has been said throughout history countless times.

It has been used in several movies in Hollywood's history as well.

Revenge of the Sith is not a political statement about the current administration nor is it anti-Bush.

George Lucas doesn't have to make statements this way.  If he has something to say, he'd simply say it.

Anakin had gone over to the darkside.  He was saying, "support me or oppose me ... make your choice" it had NOTHING to do with George Bush. 

Can parallels be drawn?  Sure.  But I could also draw parallels to Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc.

Lucas himself said that he didn't write it about Bush (or the current administration) in the article I linked to many posts ago.  He admits that it can be related to recent events, but wasn't conceived and/or written about them.

If he had written it about Bush why would he say he didn't?  I'm not looking the other direction :)  I'm just relaying what Lucas himself said about the "anti-Bush" claims.

I think the more appropriate thing to talk about here would be how George Bush is doing things to America that allow for parallels to what happened to the Star Wars' Republic.  (Which Lucas envisioned 30 years ago with the troubles in Vietnam, not present day Viet ... er ... Iraq.)

Edit - Oh ... and Mace Windu's purple lightsabre is the one shining turd that I absolutely HATE about the prequels.  It's dumb looking, out of place, and shouldn't have been allowed.  I can't believe Lucas allowed that.

It looks out of place because he didn't steal it from somewhere else, it's 100% original.

Just wanted to point out the irony of the quote "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Is Obi-One absolutely sure?

As far as Bush is concerned. I don't believe that SW Ep. III is a poltical statement about Bush at all. That isn't to say that there might not be elements that concievably Lucas put in from the real world, but if he did, I think it only strenghtens the story and makes it more tangible.

One thing I'd like to know, is...aren't there detailed books on all the Star Wars episodes (even 7-9 ). I've never read any of the books, so I don't know, but if there are, and they are similar enough, it might clear some things up.

I don't believe Lucas had every detail written out when he had the story planned, but that doesn't mean squat. I've held a story in my head for several years, and when I began to write it down I might come up with different ideas that may tie in better with the story. Like I don't honestly believe that Lucas had Boba Fett's character concieved for the first three episodes thirty years ago, until he realised that there was a huge fan base on such a minimal character in Ep V and VI. And if that's the case, I don't give a rats ass. If he made it 30 years ago, or made it five minutes before shooting. What does it matter? What's done is done. And while there may be a few loose ends here and there, that's to be expected for moves made thirty years apart. 

-MillsJROSS

I like the purple lightsaber, and I wished all the jedi had a different color. In dark forced: jedi knight: You could chose different lightsaber colors. The jedi in eps I-III look like clones to me (remember that shot in the arena in eps II?). They could have focused on few special ones. In that case you would feel more greef when they die.
They overdo it with the deathgods in Bleach, though. Every squadleader is heavely designed, wich makes them harder to remember and distracts you from the main characters.
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I forgot to add something positive to mr. Lucas. There is one thing that George Lucas does best. Making good villians. The Emperer, Vader, Maul, Grevious, Boba fett, stormtroopers, Jabba the Hut, they are all so evil that they're good.
Grevious was cool as an ill robot that fights with lightsabers he stole from jedi. It would be even cooler if Dokoo was transformed into Grevious after he battled with Anikin. Because both Grevious and Dokoo are not long enough in the movie to show their potencial.

Is starwars a political statement? No. There might be some ovious parallels, though. But starwars is most of all a fairytail.

Last. Remakes are bad if the originals were good. The end of Apocolypse Now Redux sucked. Flight of the Phoenix shows how hollywood films have changed into cloned, political correct storylines (we better add a girl and a colored person in it or people might call us racists/sexists. and because of the bubblegum acting, we better put in a black vs. white, us vs. them, evil villian). The original film became a classic, never the remake.

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Wed 25/05/2005 05:44:36It looks out of place because he didn't steal it from somewhere else, it's 100% original.

I wouldn't mind the purple lightsaber if, as jetxl said, there were lots of different colored lightsabers throughout the Jedi ranks.

But ....

Awhile back, before Episode II came out, the StarWars.com databank specifically said that lightsabers were blue or green for Jedi and that Sith used red sabers because the crystals they used for their sabers required the darkside to be channeled into them and that made them red.

This made sense to me.  I liked the concept.

So when Mace had his silly looking purple blade (in AotC) my thoughts turned to some clever plot twist that Mace was actually a bad guy.  That his blade was actually blue but because of his use of the darkside some red snuck in there thus making it purple ...  I strengthened this theory as a plausible way that the Emperor, a Dark Sith Lord, could hide in plain site in front of the Jedi IF a high ranking member of the Jedi Council was in league with him.

I don't think it's unreasonable that all Jedi have either blue or green blades.  The explanation sw.com used to give made sense and he should have stuck with it in my opinion.

Mace IS evil. He's a not a goodie goodie, he's balancing inbetween light and darkside. Anyone with such an eager and will to fight will claiming to be the a guardian of light is one step into the abyss ;)

..plus, did you see him trying to KILL a POOR DEFENSELESS old MAN?! The notion of Mace being in league with the Sith is nice, but sadly ruined with that scene. Damn..

Nah, what bothers me the most, or rather tickles me, is that Jedi and Sith are alike in methods and way. The real issue comes to old philosphical values, you may even call them esotheric contra "carnal". The way of the Sith is equalent to the way of LaVeyists: Putting yourself first, then your loved ones, and finally everyone else. Any action beneficial to your loved ones without benefitting yourself is a bad action. Yea, that makes sense. But then there's the fascist ideals, where strength and power is the key to everything. I mean, there can only be one sith lord. And then some uptight apprentice comes and beats the living sh*t out of you. Pleasant. Sure, it is meant to be a constant strife for more and more power, and teh best is the master, nothing less. But I loathe the Jedi ideal aswell. The notion of reducing yourself only to a tool of tranquility is to flee, or hide. It is life reduced to a vegetable, since conflict is the key to development and evolution. No conflict - no life.

The real question starts with what happens AFTER lord Vader rises. Why is Sidious next goal? Building a Death Star? For what purpose? Only to be a military supremacy and thus conquest the entire galaxy? And then what? Peace I guess. A dictatorship but peace non the less. Galaxy police? Now we're getting closer to American foreign politics. Why havn't the first movies been accused of this? ;)

I went to see it last night. There are people who only go to hate the movie or spot mistakes, but I just went to enjoy it.. And I really did.

Commander Cody: "Wait. So which one is code 66?"

Trooper Dan: "Kill all wookies?""

Commander Cody: "No no, that's code 48. And code 49 is 'Braid all wookies.'"

Trooper Dan: "Right. Hmm code 66. You got me."

Senator Palpatine: "Idiots, I gave you this simple acronym, remember? KAJAMSOWAYNEWASP!"

Commander Cody: "Sorry sir, it doesn't ring a bell."

Senator Palpatine: "Kill All Jedis And Make Sure Obi Wan And Yoda Never Escape With Anakin Skywalker's Progeny!"

Commander Cody: "Sir, are you sure you want them dead?  They hang out with Jimmy Smits."

Oh yeah, and my opinion is that the movie looked amazing and got me really involved.  I've been talking about it ever since I saw it.  My concerns are the dialogue.

Not only were the lines and the delivery bad, there should have been way less.

Grievous should have been more of a Darth Maul character and kept his mouth shut.  Clone Wars presented Grievous as a quiet badass as well.  It really worked.

In Ep 3, he was intimidating in appearance, but sounded like a distant cousin of Jar Jar Binks.  Gary Oldman was reportedly asked to voice the part but it didnt work out.  This would have improved Grievous tremendously.


The establishing shots were gorgeous.  I watched the movie on a DLP projector so I'm not sure how different this is from film.   But it looked great.  The first sequence was so busy and beautiful. 

Jimmy Smits' swinging by to pick up Yoda was hilarious.

Yoda:  "In exile I must now go."

Smits:  "Cool bro.  I know this quaint swamp where you can check yourself in peace."

I watched it again last night ...

I, grugingly, must agree that the dialog does get a bit stiff at parts.  I kept finding myself saying things like, "it would have been better if he had said this instead" or something like that. I think GL should have had Kevin Smith write the dialog for him.  Smith (with a few exceptions) writes some of the best dialog in Hollywood.

I really enjoyed what George has done, BUT I think there are things I would have done very differently.  I have started completely re-writing the prequels as I envison them.  Just for fun.  Below is my thoughts on Episode III

My thoughts on how episode III should have gone down. - it's a long read, but worth it if you're a Star Wars fan. Edit Link removed ... I'm revising.

(this is still early version ... might change a bit)

Hahaha... I want a black lightsaber. That way I can suck up the light from all the other sabers, and RULE THE GALAXY!
Why aren't there Light bombs in Star Wars? There are blasters and sabers (which I'll assume work on a somewhat similar principal), but then instead of light bombs, there are only thermal detonators!
Let the guy be...perhaps he used an amethyst to make his lightsaber. It is not like the Star Wars Databank doesn't change it's information every few months

I imagine they don't have light-bombs because they wouldn't have any explosive power.  They'd merely wipe out everything in a certain radius.  Even a thermal detonator probably has a very small explosive radius but a much larger concussive wave, meaning more splash damage.  They'd probably also be expensive to make.  Light sabers take a length of time, effort, and special crystals from remote locations.  The blasters probably have a focusing crystal of some sort but use charges of energy for ammunition.  So, I'd say it's impractical to have a theoretically minor explosion for the expense.  A light-bomb meant for blinding (with perhaps a certain damage radius) now that's an idea. 

Don't know why I found that post so damn interesting.  I'm going for more coffee.

Like a flashbang ... which is equally as effective, and cheaper to make.

Quote from: YakSpit on Sat 28/05/2005 01:30:50
Don't know why I found that post so damn interesting. I'm going for more coffee.

Heheheh...Watch out, it's called the inner-geek. It's what happens when you start discussing the impossible science of an imaginary universe.

A light bomb would actually be very powerful. I mean, if they have an energy source that can make a lightsaber go for how long it goes, for one time use, that should be a lot of power for a bomb. I mean, even if you just disintegrated a few cubic metres of building, you've probably assured that the whole building will fall. Sure, it would be really expensive to do it all for 1 time only, but perhaps it could have multiple uses if the owner could retrieve it? Or perhaps it could be used in those planet-destroying, deathstar-like weapons, where cost doesn't matter. And since the crystals can be manufactured, no problem there.

Heheh.....I am really bothering too much about this. But I want Light bombs!

I made one of those once. It had something to do with open fire and flautalence. The rest is history

Quote from: Blackthorne on Tue 24/05/2005 02:03:39
Star Wars transitions have ALWAYS been that way, ever since the 1977 release....... the transitions are an homage to 30's and 40's Flash Gordon serials, much like Star Wars was in the first place.

And Akira Kurosawa's movies.

Okay, so I just watched Episode 1 and 2 again in preparation for going to see Episode 3 a second time. And I must say... Yoda is awesome in the prequels, but he has some awful lines.

From Ep 2: "Around the survivors, a perimeter make."

Seriously, I'm suprised the Clone Troopers even understood that command. I remember when I was little watching Empire and Jedi, I always figured that Yoda spoke bad just because he was incredibly old. It may be my mind playing tricks on me, but doesn't his sentance formation get worse between Empire and Jedi?

So WHY is he saying things like "Around the survivors, a perimeter make."?! Gah.

Just to go a bit off topic. In episode 3 there is a shot at the beggining of lots of ships docking. If you look near the bottom left of the screen you can see the famous "millenium falcon" dock as well. It could be the Falcon, or just another Coralian YT-1300 Freighter  8)

Quote from: Raider on Sun 29/05/2005 02:13:48Just to go a bit off topic. In episode 3 there is a shot at the beggining of lots of ships docking. If you look near the bottom left of the screen you can see the famous "millenium falcon" dock as well. It could be the Falcon, or just another Coralian YT-1300 Freighter  8)

Yeah, I commented on that way back on page 4 ;)

I actually noticed it opening night AND without being told about it ... whenever there were 'long' shots like that one I always check the outter edges rather than the main action.   George is known for throwing in little 'easter eggs' like that in there.

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 29/05/2005 03:30:16

Quote from: Raider on Sun 29/05/2005 02:13:48Just to go a bit off topic. In episode 3 there is a shot at the beggining of lots of ships docking. If you look near the bottom left of the screen you can see the famous "millenium falcon" dock as well. It could be the Falcon, or just another Coralian YT-1300 FreighterÃ,  8)

Yeah, I commented on that way back on page 4 ;)

I actually noticed it opening night AND without being told about it ... whenever there were 'long' shots like that one I always check the outter edges rather than the main action.Ã,  Ã, George is known for throwing in little 'easter eggs' like that in there.

Ahhh sorry,
Yeah I noticed that first time watching it as well. I told my friends but they didn't believe me  :(

For the sake of continuity, did it explain how Boba Fett and the clones shed their kiwi accents?

No, but whats wrong with kiwi accents?!?  :=

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Sun 29/05/2005 04:59:35
For the sake of continuity, did it explain how Boba Fett and the clones shed their kiwi accents?

Yeah. George Lucas explained that when he did the 2004 Special Editions of the original trilogy. The actor who played Jango Fett redid Boba Fett's lines (Or is it only one line?) from the original trilogy.

And by Episode 4, I'm pretty sure there's other people in the Stormtroopers, not just clones. Darth, can you back me up here?

Quote from: BerserkerTails on Sun 29/05/2005 05:32:49And by Episode 4, I'm pretty sure there's other people in the Stormtroopers, not just clones. Darth, can you back me up here?

Stormtroopers (http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/stormtroopers/index.html), after the Clone Wars, weren't just the clones.  A person could join the stormtroopers.  Personally, if I had to be in the Empire I always said that I'd have wanted to be a stormtrooper.  All the officers seem to get chocked to death by Vader.

Yeah I never understood why he kept doing that.. Can someone explain?
Is it just is unlimited evilness or is there some logic hidden away?

I just saw the movie and, please, can someone tell me where in the movie does Mace weild a purple saber? WHERE?

All I saw was blue.

Dammit, it sucks when my jokes get ruined by obsessive fandom :(

It purple. He never uses another colour.

I must be color blind.

Quote from: Zor on Sun 29/05/2005 07:03:40I just saw the movie and, please, can someone tell me where in the movie does Mace weild a purple saber? WHERE?

All I saw was blue.

Quote from: Zor on Sun 29/05/2005 08:27:33I must be color blind.

(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/graphics/mace.jpg)

- Meant in a completely light-hearted manor of course :) :)

Darth, that is just funny as hell.

I am really tired of the Star Wars sucks debate. Suck or not it's Star Wars and I love it. It's sad to me that Star Wars sucks has become the new trendy thing to say. It's meant to be fun, not critiqued as some sort of freakin' art flick. It was never good in that way. Eh. I just don't get it. How can a person hate George Lucas for what he "did" to the Star Wars characters? He created them!? He gets to do what he wants with them and our opinion really doesn't matter. That's the whole point of producing the films himself, he doesn't have to listen to anyone's opinions. Do I think he could have done things differently, better, or whatever, sure. It doesn't really matter though. Episode III really tied up the series in a great way for me. I am now anxiously awaiting that 6 movie DVD set.

PS: I didn't really read the entire thread...so sorry if I repeated stuff and stuff that's already been beaten into the ground.

later,
-junc

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mace_windu.jpg)

I'm not really sure why I did that

Jeez Darth how long'd it take you to think of that one??? Haha.

Well I'm gonna go see the movie again because it's awesome so ha. HA.

Oh yeh and I'll bring my camera just to show you guys that it looks blue. That is, only if I'm right.

Ciao.

Yup the movie is indeed awesome. I wish I could go see it again too, but exams are coming :(. And btw, the lightsaber is purple

Quote from: juncmodule on Sun 29/05/2005 17:46:51
I am really tired of the Star Wars sucks debate. Suck or not it's Star Wars and I love it.

...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly what I find wrong with the movie industry today. *bow*

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It's sad to me that Star Wars sucks has become the new trendy thing to say. It's meant to be fun, not critiqued as some sort of freakin' art flick. It was never good in that way. Eh. I just don't get it. How can a person hate George Lucas for what he "did" to the Star Wars characters? He created them!? He gets to do what he wants with them and our opinion really doesn't matter. That's the whole point of producing the films himself, he doesn't have to listen to anyone's opinions. Do I think he could have done things differently, better, or whatever, sure. It doesn't really matter though. Episode III really tied up the series in a great way for me. I am now anxiously awaiting that 6 movie DVD set.

Nobody's arguing Lucas' right to do what he wants with the story, but god forbid we disagree with it. I personally think he makes some unbelievably shit house decisions, and I'm gonna say so. I hate the new movies, and I'm gonna say so. Why? Because when we start being overly positive because 'we don't have a right to complain', or 'we don't own the characters', that's when movies get shit. I'm sorry, but I pay to go see these things, and when they're crap, I'm gonna complain, because I want them to be the way I want. I want them to be good, my definition of good, and even if I don't get it, I'm not gonna stop complaining.

When people lower their standards, stuff gets shit.

So where did Lucas go shit house with the new trilogy?

How could it be improved?


Bt

Not being made? :P Seriously, it wasn't necessary.

If you want specifics:

1) BO-ring. God, I got sick of hearing about the f*cking trade federation and all of the god damned politics. Not only that, but all those soap operish moments between Padme and Anakin - *snore* There was something exciting and fiery about watching the romance between Hahn and Leia blossom, but those two... blech. (Not to mention that weird age thing)

2) EXTREME!!! Look, I'm using a double-sided saber! Now I'm using two! Now I'm a CG yoda fighting! Now we're SURFING ON A F*CKING VOLCANO, MAN!

3) Acting - shithouse. You can say all you like about the original trilogy, but does anyone argue that it worked at the time? If you're going to make a new trilogy with better FX to match what we have available now, how about some decent actors? In that spoof trailer that went around, I remember thinking "God, what's with that guy playing Anakin? He's just acting like a retard, that isn't funny at ALL". Then, I saw episode 2. I was open-mouthed shocked to see that the 'retard' was actually being quite accurate! He really talked like that!

4) The 'Darths'. There was always something super cool about Darth Vader. Let's face it, he's one of, if not the best bad guy of all time. This may not be a movie thing, it might be a book thing, but why do the rest of them have such f*cking stupid names? Maul?? I remember hearing that and nearly choking on whatever I was eating because it was so stupid. Then it gets worse. Sideous?! God, please, why don't we just call one, Darth Kill-a-Lot, or Darth Bad-Guy. You could argue that 'Darth Vader' is short for 'ivader' but lets face, that never occured to anyone before all these other ridiculous names showed up.

5) The fact that we have to have a perfectly good trilogy tainted with this crap. Everything has to be explained, and it's boring, and stupid. As stat4ed before, there's nothing wrong with starting the trilogy in a somewhat mysterious way, letting it unfold, and letting people come up with their own ideas on what might have happened if they so desire. Now we know the truth, that Darth Vader isn't the super cool badass we thought - he's a stupid, annoying, whinging pussy.

6) Cameos, cameos, cameos. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

7) Jar Jar Binks. It was bad enough he was in the first movie, but ALL THREE?! I know, I know, it's all been said before, but it never becomes 'okay'.

I could go on for ages, but my lunch is going cold.

The "Vader" part means "father". It's old English. I'm not sure, but I think Lucas even went on record with that before (I could be wrong, though).

Really? Well, that just makes his name even cooler, and way less stupid than the others ^_^

After watching "III" does anyone feel like we're missing a movie?

The wookie battle feels completely summarized

-There's one scene in the movie where Anakin does some fancy flying, (so as to lay some validity to Obi-wan saying how great he was in "IV").

-Anakin tells Obi-wan "no more loose-wire jokes" even though there has never been 1 loose wire joke in the entire trilogy.

To be fair, this is the best prequel by far.  I don't think people would have judged this one as harshly if the first 2 didn't exist.  It was the only prequel that felt like Star Wars to me.  I really liked how Anakin & Obi-wan were, basically, flying a cross-breed of a TIE fighter & the Millenium Falcon; finally good reverse thinking.  The beast Obi-wan chased Grevious with was totally Star Wars.  Grevious is a very Sci-Fi monster, & a scentient robot/cyborg explains why the droids talk to each other.  When C-3PO states, "I'm sure Anakin's all right, he went to the temple," while Padme sees the temple is, in fact, ON FIRE!!! - That's vintage 3PO! :D

It's just "Too little, Too late"  There's too much tainted material.  You can never explain how Han & Luke get past anyone dressed as Storm Troopers; as they all sound exactly alike.  I know people say anyone can join the troopers, but what about when Leia says, "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper,"  She, practically, spells it out that they're, somewhat universal, but identical? Or why Owen Lars doesn't remember C-3PO.  & Don't even get me started on how stupid it would be for Obi-Wan to hide Vader's son at his brother's house, on his home planet, disguised, in full dress-robes as One of the last Jedi Knights in the entire galaxy!!!!


- P.S. - I wish the Sith used purple lightsabers.  That would seem right.  The Jedi's Blue/Green combo seems to work well; having three colours to the Sith's one red colour doesn't seem fair.  Aren't the Sith supposed to be the "flashy" ones.  While we're at it, why don't we see more double bladed lightsabers, or other weapons?  Why can't we have a "House of Flying Daggers" jedi that throws a bunch of returning lightsaber daggers?  I think it would have made the movie more fun, & I don't want to hear that George Lucas is above that "Matrix" crap!!!

I used to do this in movies. Find flaws and mistakes, I found it comical, my friends did not.
While we are picking Star Wars to death, I saw a mistake in ep 2. After Obi-wan fights jango-fett on the water planet on the platform, Jango returns to his ship and bangs his head on the top of the door.  ::) (kinda off topic but next time you watch it look out for it)

A mistake I saw in the original trilogy yesterday! :D Remember that Han Solo is tied (Hands in the back) when he is put into carbonite in ep- V? Well... the famous Carbonited Han that Habba has have both hands risen up.

How out of topic!  :)

I like the new movie.
While I'm a big fan of the original trilogy, I have to admit that there were plenty of flaws in those movies that you overlooked with just because...well, they were old and sort of culty. I mean, in episode 6, how good is that ewook-battle really? Teddy-bears fighting storm-troppers with sticks and stones? And sure, there are annoying childish moments in the prequels, but the original trilogy are absolutely littered with small muppet-creatures with strange comical sounds and whatnot.

I think episode 3 stands pretty strong in comparison. The scenery alone makes it worth the money, in my opinion. I've never seen so breath-taking scenes before, and I was extremely impressed. I can actually even cope with Anakin. Is he that bad an actor really, or is it that he looks like some baywatch brat that most people get annoyed with him? I'm a fan of the ugly-culture, which hasn't reached Hollywood yet, but in the meantime, I can accept Anakin and Padmé being so overly cute and loveable all the time!

Ok, some negative things then:
* Anakin's turning to the dark side. A bit quick and easy, right? I thought they would show that great inner conflict that Luke had in the third movie. Now it's more like an intellectual decision, which isn't very realistic.
* Small robots that scream excitedly when they are tossed around. Robots aren't guinnea-pigs, they don't have to behave like them. It's clearly only for the comical value.
* Obi-wan's attitude. Going from the solemn and calm Jedi in the previous movie, he turns a bit too bold and arrogant. Over-all, there is less and less differing Jedis from normal people, in terms of personality and attitude.
* The constant escalation in awesomeness. A two-bladed lightsabre is ok, having four of them - which of two are rotating - is just ridiculous. It switches from the concept of a knight, to some sort of fencing-machine.

And some really good things:
* Again, the settings.
* The melancholic demise of the jedis. Spread around the galaxy, alone with traitors. Quite sad.
* Padmés giving birth to the twins, giving them their names, and then dying.
* The helmet being lowered over Anakin's face. I think this will remain a great moment in film history.

So, definitely a good movie. I don't really understand what people who found this so terrible actually expected.

Finally saw this the other day, and I thought it was actually pretty excellent, for the most part.

Anakin's turn does seem fast, but I think they explained it well enough. Its a different situation to Return of the Jedi; an intellectual rather then emotional decision, like Andail says. I like the suggestion that he wasn't truly 'evil' at the point when he joins with Palpatine, but that he was conciously buying into the deal to serve his own purposes, wrongly thinking he'd be able to turn back and sort things out after he'd saved his wife. My main problem there is that I think having him kill the kids was just too much too soon.

Also, I'd have to say this one definately works better as a 'sequel set in the past' then a real preceding episode. Dramatically, I really don't think it makes much sense to reveal things like Leia's Skywalker status at this point in the story, if only because it makes the whole incest thing even more obvious and awkward for people watching in order.

Niggles:

- There's quite a bit of superfluous action, and the Chewbacca/Wookie stuff in particular was entirely pointless and unsatisfactory.
- Obi Wan's dragon thing looked more then a bit duff.
- While I can just about buy into the idea that Leia could remember her mother 'through the force', or whatever, having Obi-Wan suddenly forget all about his old droid chums in IV always going to come across as a bit weird.

There are probably more niggles I've forgotten, but that doesn't bother me because on the whole I enjoyed the hell out of it. For the first time in a long time, Lucas really seemed confident and competent as a director, and even some of the performances were enjoyable this time around.

Don't even get me started on how stupid it would be for Obi-Wan to hide Vader's son at his brother's house, on his home planet, disguised, in full dress-robes as One of the last Jedi Knights in the entire galaxy!!!!

To be fair, that problem's been there since Return of the Jedi at least.

Quote from: PaulSC on Mon 30/05/2005 10:44:00
- Obi Wan's dragon thing looked more then a bit duff.

What do you mean? What Dragon thing?

You know: that big stupid lizard thing he rides around on for half the film.

Quote from: viktor on Sun 25/07/2004 13:02:11
I read in a magazine that the starwars series was supose to hawe 8 titels. But then when the third was complete they desided to make only 6. Can you imagine what a crappy film the 8th film would be. Considering the episode 1 and 2 were total crap (especialy 2)

I didn't skim through the horrible 9 pages of convo (especially considering the quality of the 1st), but I'm not sure this was answered.

George Lucas originally planned to make 9 movies. He had planned to shoot 4, 5, 6 (which he did), and then 1, 2, 3, and then ultimately 7, 8, 9.

Ultimately though, when he saw how much time it “took him” to get the first episode out, and considering the mounting costs of production, and his age (he's not immortal, physically speaking), he decided a few years back, before launching “The Phantom Menace”, that he would only go on with prequels and not the sequels.

At this time, he claims he never intended to make 7, 8, 9, most likely not have fans urge him to go on with his original intention (ie. the guy wants to retire).

His love of this saga is obvious in the way he touches up the old movies to make them match perfectly with the story (if he were just in it for the money, he'd let the fans happily buy the collectors' editions over and over, without spending money going back through it).


Story-wise, I think it's commendable to have followed through with a multi-layered story for so long ... even though I agree, ep 1 was BAAAAD.


A reason to watch ep. 3? Hayden Christensen!! He's pretty hot (in an Canadian kind of wayâ€"and though long hair doesn't quite agree with him).

Quote from: PaulSC on Mon 30/05/2005 10:52:14
You know: that big stupid lizard thing he rides around on for half the film.

Yep I see now.

Oh, something else that rubbed me the wrong way: that bit about Qui-Gon at the very end. I gather in the script this was dealt with in some detail, and the character actually makes an appearence, but clearly they cut in all out, making the whole thing seem like a tacked on, half-hearted throwaway explanation for the whole ghost thing. Missed opportunity, there.

This part confussed me... Are the ghosts at the end of return of the jedi Obi, Yoda and Anakin? If so wheres Qui-Gon?

He didn't really spend enough time with Anakin to be caught up in the whole ordeal. Perhaps he was busy appearing in front of someone else more important from his past at that time.

Quote from: Farlander on Mon 30/05/2005 07:26:14
A mistake I saw in the original trilogy yesterday! :D Remember that Han Solo is tied (Hands in the back) when he is put into carbonite in ep- V? Well... the famous Carbonited Han that Habba has have both hands risen up.

How out of topic!Ã,  :)

For a reply also out of topic, you could argue that whatever had tied Han's hands up must have had a low freezing point, and that perhaps that the inital blast of Carbonite shattered them, allowing Han to move them in some futile attempt to escape out before the rest got him.

That's probably not the 'offical' explantion, but just one off the cuff.

Qui-Gon probably wanted to stay out of the way due to the social awkwardness of joining a reunion between his two former students who have a long history of chopping chunks off each other. Maybe the others had special force powers for dealing with uncomfortable silences? "Go Go Force Anecdote!".

Just want to comment that the acting isn't really that bad at all. These are quality actors (the main ones), and if you've seen some of their other work, maybe you agree. I think it's just difficult to act like these characters, where the dialog isn't necessarily realistic. That said, a lot of dialog is used to move the plot, more than anything else, as the SW movies are mostly plot driven (Most movies have a plot, but the SW movies seem to follow the plot more closely).

-MillsJROSS

Quote from: Raider on Mon 30/05/2005 06:35:50While we are picking Star Wars to death, I saw a mistake in ep 2. After Obi-wan fights jango-fett on the water planet on the platform, Jango returns to his ship and bangs his head on the top of the door.  ::) (kinda off topic but next time you watch it look out for it)

This is not a mistake.  For 1 reason, that scene is completely CG so there's really no way something that obvious would make it into the final cut.  But the main reason is because it's a tribute to the Stormtrooper in epIV that bangs his head on the door while entering the room (in the Death Star) where 3P0 and R2 are hiding.

Quote from: DCillusion on Mon 30/05/2005 06:02:05After watching "III" does anyone feel like we're missing a movie?

The cartoon series, "Clone Wars" explains a lot of the missing details.  Although to be honest I like it when movies mention things you've not seen.  It adds depth and background.  Between epI and epII was 10 years, and it was like 3 years between epII and epIII ... it stands to reason there'd be a lot of stuff that happened in those gaps of time!

Quote from: DCillusion on Mon 30/05/2005 06:02:05Or why Owen Lars doesn't remember C-3PO. & Don't even get me started on how stupid it would be for Obi-Wan to hide Vader's son at his brother's house, on his home planet, disguised, in full dress-robes as One of the last Jedi Knights in the entire galaxy!!!!

Owen Lars not remembering 3P0 doesn't really bother me ... They weren't together (on Tatooine) for very long before 3P0 left w/ Anakin and Padme (in ep2).  Would you remember a computer you had 20 years ago if it suddenly turned back up?  Especially considering all the other computers out there that look just like it?  Probably not ;)

Now Obi-Wan 'hiding' on Tatooine ...

I do have a bit of a problem with that.  The only reasoning I can think of is that Anakin 1) believes he killed Padme (and the baby) so he doesn't even suspect he has a child 2) hates Tatooine so much (which Obi-Wan knows) and won't ever go back (too many bad memories).

BUT ...

Anakin watched Obi-Wan walk off after defeating him.  So Anakin knows Obi-Wan is still alive ... it seems to me he'd scour the galaxy trying to find him.  While he might not assume Ben is dumb enough to hide on a planet so well known to Anakin, keeping the name Kenobi??!?  It's just absurd!

Another question I have is this:  Why, also, keep the child's name as Luke Skywalker?  Luke sure, but keeping that famous last name?  Seems to me like that would also be an attention magnet ... Leia changed her last name.  Why didn't Luke?  Did Obi-Wan tell Owen and Beru that Anakin was dead?  Even so, keeping Luke's name as Skywalker just seems a little ... silly?

There's supposedly a television show coming out which is supposed to bridge the gap between ep3 and ep4 ... so maybe some of this'll be explained there.

Isn't his "fake" parents named Skywalker? It would be more odd if he didn't have the name of his allegied parents you know.. ;) Furthermore, Padme names them, Anakin does not know that he has childs, nor their names, so he can't exactly get Herodes on the star systems, hunting down every firstborn. So hiding Luke on Tatooine is rather clever IMO. Who'd suspect it?

Obi-Wan however, and keeping the name Kenobi.. that's just asking for trouble! No, learn from Yoda; get a trunk in the middle of nowhere and eat muck for the rest of your life..

Luke's 'fake' parents (his aunt and uncle actually :)) last name is "Lars".

It just seems to me that, even though the galaxy is a big place, the name Skywalker on Tatooine isn't a good idea.  Considering that young Anakin was well known on Tatooine.  The name Skywalker was known.  I think Luke should have been called Luke Lars at the beginning of Star Wars.

I'm guessing that Vader and the Emperor (aided by a big suit and mask of Vader) spread rumors that Anakin Skywalker, the powerful and well known Jedi, was killed by Vader.  That lends credence to what Obi-Wan tells Luke (in ep4) and also makes more sense.  It seems to me that Leia, growing up with a senator that was crucial to the events of ep3, would know the name Anakin Skywalker and would know Luke was Anakin/Vader's son IF she knows that Vader IS Anakin.

Somehow, "Luke Lars" strike me as much less awesome than "Luke Skywalker".
I dunno, just my first reaction.

How about the fact that there never really was a great plot scheme planned out, the vast majority of the story line being built on off the cuff comments originally added to create the illusion of depth, and thus all continuity is being pasted onto what is already here with shoddy results, hence the constant editing of the original material.


Seriously, when they release a cartoon series bridging the gap between 3 and 4 it will involve the anti-monitor destroying the multiverse and creating a new one, where technology and fighting are inferior despite apparent progress.

They're pulpy pastiches, nothing more, stop treating them like they are! [that goes for most things with an expanded universe]

interesting points, Las.

WAIT!    I just realized the Secret of Monkey Island!  Who wants to hear?

Okay, Darth. I need a question answered...

So Annie is 9 years old in Ep. 1 when he leaves his mother. Now there's about 10 years between Episode 1 and 2. During this time, Shmi Skywalker gets sold by Watto to Lars, who she marries.

Now in Ep. 2, when Owen and Anakin meet, one of them says "So, you're my half-brother" or something like that. One would assume then, from that line, that Owen is the son of Lars and Shmi, right? That would make Owen Luke's Uncle.

So how can Owen look so old? He can't be more than 10 years old, but in Episode 2, he looks at least 17. I keep just thinking that perhaps Lars had another wife who bore Owen, but then what happened to her?

Quote from: BerserkerTails on Tue 31/05/2005 01:19:51
Okay, Darth. I need a question answered...

So Annie is 9 years old in Ep. 1 when he leaves his mother. Now there's about 10 years between Episode 1 and 2. During this time, Shmi Skywalker gets sold by Watto to Lars, who she marries.

Now in Ep. 2, when Owen and Anakin meet, one of them says "So, you're my half-brother" or something like that. One would assume then, from that line, that Owen is the son of Lars and Shmi, right? That would make Owen Luke's Uncle.

So how can Owen look so old? He can't be more than 10 years old, but in Episode 2, he looks at least 17. I keep just thinking that perhaps Lars had another wife who bore Owen, but then what happened to her?

Owen is Anakin's "step" brother.  He's Cleigg Lars' son from another women named Aika (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/cliegglars/?id=eu) (who had died years before).  I would guess that he's also older than Anakin by about 10 years, given how old he looks at the time of epIV.

So in ep2 I would guess he's actually about 28 or so.  Just a guess.  Nothing (that I could find) at Star Wars .com says anything about Owen's age!

Once again, Maddox has succeeded in wonderfully demonstrating the shittiness of something. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3")

this may have been asked before, but this is a really long thread.
why does yoda say at the end, that qui-gon has discovered immortality? of what relevance does this have? we never see qigon again, we never see anything about immortality, so, why does this comment get put in? i also don't understand what it means, if the immortality thing is the turining into nothing when they die and become blue ghosts, then why didn't qui gon do that when HE died? he just plain old died and was burned. explanation please?

It's a plothook for a future francise.

No its a disclaimer, or rather a plothook for a past franchise.


In the old movies Obi Wan could communicate to Luke despite being dead.  Hence, if they threw that one line in the movie, fans could only complain about a lack of logic - rather than a lack of explaination.

I think from now on i'll let The Guardian argue for me:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1477031,00.html

I think the immortality thing was meant to be irony about Anakin. If Padme had died he could have spoken to her for his entire life. Yoda actually had the key to the secret power that the emperor was claiming that he had (and seduced Anakin with). At the same time it was the way to explain that Qui-Gon never spoke to Ben in the prequels, yet Ben speaks to Luke as everyone already mentioned. I thought that was a nice little addition to the whole Anakin leaving the Jedi and Sith seduction thing.

later,
-junc

I don't think just anyone can come back as a ghost, which would preclude Anakin from talking to Padme if she had died.  I'm pretty sure it is only the jedi that have that power.

Also, I don't think that a jedi can come back as a ghost forever.  I read Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy a long time ago, which i've been told is the closest story to what Lucas's vision would have been had he made the next three... anyway, in that book, Luke was facing some hard times, because Obi Wan made his last visit to Luke as a ghost.  I remember him saying something like his time was up, and it was time to move on or something... it's been awhile.

Quote from: Potch on Wed 01/06/2005 20:11:54Also, I don't think that a jedi can come back as a ghost forever.

What good is immortality that doesn't last forever?

I don't know.  I could be wrong about it though.  It was a long time ago that I read that book.

You're right, I think. I read those about 10 years ago and although I don't remember them very well that does sound familiar.

Also, after thinking about it for a second I think you're right about the ghost thing. Guess I was trying to read too much into that.

later,
-junc

I've seen it twice now. I think there are some powerfull scenes in that movie. The thing with the kids at the temple just broke my heart... and the first breath through the new suit... Powerfull indeed.

Quote from: Potch on Wed 01/06/2005 20:11:54
Also, I don't think that a jedi can come back as a ghost forever. I read Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy a long time ago, which i've been told is the closest story to what Lucas's vision would have been had he made the next three... anyway, in that book, Luke was facing some hard times, because Obi Wan made his last visit to Luke as a ghost. I remember him saying something like his time was up, and it was time to move on or something... it's been awhile.

I have that book! Yup, Obi Wan visits Luke the last time in a dream. He says that he won't be able to come again. However, even the starwars site says that Lucas is not bound by the books of the extended universe.

I take this moment to admit that I almost cried when Anakin tried to kill Padme.

Heh, you sissy! jk, that happened to me too. I loved the scene when he was like "You turned her against me!". The movie has given me weird feelings, especially since my best friend was sick a while ago and I was scared of losing her. So I could perfectly understand how Anakin must have been feeling

Yeah,

     I don't think this movie was the holy grail or anything, but I was entertained.  Star Wars films have entertained me since I was born!  But this was the last film.  Now I can go on being obsessed with something new.  Like maybe girls or something.


Bt

Well, for those of you that cried...  hey, you're not the only ones!  I'm probably the biggest sissy of you all.  I got all teary numerous times in that movie.  The kids in the temple, when Padme said she didn't know him anymore, when Yoda escaped on Chewie's shoulder and then said goodbye to the wookies (there was just something about the way he said Chewie's name), when Obi Wan told Anakin that he had been his brother and when Anakin told Obi Wan that he hated him.  I never flat out cried... but I definately got choked up a little.  I tend to be an incredible sap.

"Younglings! He killed younglings ..." - I laughed out loud when Obi-Wan said this. I'm still not sure why ...

"You were like a brother to me!" - Hold on, I think there's something in my eye ...

Surprisingly, I was quite sure that I was going to cry in the first appearence of Darth Vader with its black helmet or/and in the first appearence of the baby born twins, but I just drop a tear in the intro screen (The one with the big "STAR WARS" letters unzooming).

When that scenes mentioned before arrived, even enjoying the film a lot, I was quite sure that I was not going to reach the emotional level of the original trilogy.

I've asked myself many times why the first ones do that to me and the others do not. I am not sure if this is the correct explanation, and I'm sure the experts will reply me in a convincing way, but the most satisfactory explanation I can find is that the episodes IV, V and VI are "smaller".

I mean... In "new" hope we have a farmer... After that we have three living entities and two droids trying to repair the hyperdrive in an asteroid... then a redouced group of troopers trying to destroy a planetary shield...

Many people may argue: "In Ep. I it was just a slave trying the jedis to repair its hyperdrive too!" and many examples like that.

You ARE PROBABLY right... but inside of me, I'll still see that in the original trilogies we have a farmer in a small rebellion trying to crush an empire ruled by two sith and in the prequels we have the most powerfull born jedi ever who pisses it off, everything set in the big scenary of the clone wars.

The originals are small and lovely in my heart. The prequels are TOO big and epic in my mind.

Quote from: Farlander on Thu 02/06/2005 16:59:06
Surprisingly, I was quite sure that I was going to cry in the first appearence of Darth Vader with its black helmet or/and in the first appearence of the baby born twins, but I just drop a tear in the intro screen (The one with the big "STAR WARS" letters unzooming).

Oddly enough, this was the only part that really choked me up.Ã,  Knowing it was the last time we're going to see that crawler on a new Star Wars movie ... kind of the end of an era (for me at least).

I did get a little emotional when Obi-Wan shouted, "You were like my brother Anakin ... I loved you!"Ã,  Because it made me think of the scene in A New Hope when Vader kills Ben and then how much more powerful that scene becomes.

I'll tell you the best thing to come from Episode 3 ... I rewatched episodes IV - VI and it's, now, like watching 3 new movies!Ã,  It was really neat.

Ain't Star wars supossed to be 3 trilogies? I think there will be more in 10-15 years, and we'll be there!

Lucas and the crew only have a finite amount of years to live ... And I hear Lucas wants retirement now too.

Mmmm... maybe a joke about how cool could a third trilogy without lucas be is too obvious? :D

Two of the six hasn't been directed by Lucas, and they were not bad at all. If he leaves something written there are a lot of younger directors to make them, like Cameron, Howard, Lovegrove...

Unless he writes something against it in his will, like Hergé did. But I think he wouldn't like to close that door for future benefits for his sons.

Darth, I have to agree with you.  I went back and watched the original after watching the third, and it really did put a whole new spin on things.  You are absolutely right that it was like watching three new movies. 

As long as Lucas writes the scripts, Farl. As cheesy as he may make them, I like them that way. I love them that way.

Me too... Sorry for not specificating when I wrote "something written".

I think it would be awesome if they made movies out of that Heir to the Empire trilogy.  I don't remember much, but I remember that they were really really cool.... maybe I should go back and read them again.

I am pretty sure that Lucas said this is it ... I'll dig for the quote.

I don't think he should make the Heir to the Empire series into movies because the main characters of those books (Luke, Leia, Han and so on) are FAR too old looking now and you simply couldn't make those characters played by other actors.Ã,  Just wouldn't work.Ã,  It'd be worse than the jar-jar haters.

I think he should do the Correllia trilogy personally ... they take place roughly 20 years after RotJ so the ages would be correct (or roughly correct).

I did enjoy the Heir to the Empire trilogy better though ...

I think ol' Lucas should try his hand at something totally new. Enough of Star Wars! He could prove his worth with some completely new movie, that way no one can complain doesn't match up to the originals.

Silly Babar. Sshh.

The best and most relevant part of that Guardian article was the following.

"When George Lucas Sr asked his son to join him in the art-supply business, George Jr said, "Dad, today you're going to do exactly what you did yesterday, and tomorrow the same. This is your life and you love it. But I only want to do something once." Discuss."

That must be quite humilliating for Lucas. What I really dislike about it, though, is the fact that it came on the press. Call me conservative or old-fashioned or just plain loony, but I think the media should have SOME sense of privacy. That ain't the kind of thing to use in an article. If someone else said it in an interview, or something, or even if the kid said it in an interview, it would be something else - but he was replying to his father, for crying out loud.

BTW, what WAS the context of that quote? That's a foreign newspaper to me, and I couldn't find a link in this page (I didn't look in the previous, there's 10 of them and I don't think Naranjas would quote something as distanced from the original post as that).

Ok, so this pet peeve o' mine ain't about Star Wars, but it is about Lucas. Sort of. Good enough?

I love Lucas with all my heart. He's such a cool guy.

Perhaps final resting proof that Lucas is completely bonkers, I present to you...

Lifeday - The Star Wars Holiday Special. (http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/lifeday.mov)

Warning: This may be the worst thing you'll ever watch.

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sun 05/06/2005 14:14:48
Perhaps final resting proof that Lucas is completely bonkers, I present to you...

Lifeday - The Star Wars Holiday Special. (http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/lifeday.mov)

Warning: This may be the worst thing you'll ever watch.

It was the 70's, man!

Bt

Lifeday!

God, I remember the Holiday Special. As a kid, my love of Star Wars was so great that even the awful, awful Holiday Special couldn't dim it. I look back on it now and I giggle at how BORED Harrison Ford looks and how high Carrie Fisher is. Mark looks pretty high (and painted up like a cheap whore) but I think he was on pain killers at the time.

Wookiee VR cybersex! Hee Hee!

Oh, and so as not to derail this thread completely, I really like Episode III. Obi Wan is the man! It still didn't have the impact that the first ones did, though in fairness, I was just a kid when they came out.

Still, watching that "A long time ago..." come up on the screen for the last time ever, I couldn't help but think that a door had closed in my life and that this moment might be the first step on the road to my mid-life crisis.

Sniffle.

Ha ha... even Lucas himself admits that the Holiday special was a big mistake.Ã,  I was reading an interview somwhere... I can't remember... but the interviewer asked him about the holiday special, and I guess Lucas got all flustered and was... well, we're just not going to mention that ever again or something like that.

By the way.. when I click on that link, all I get is a blank page. :-(

I just clicked the link and I got the Holiday Special in quicktime goodness. Do you have quicktime installed? Or maybe the link was down for a while. As of this moment, it seems to be working just fine.

Try again. The Holiday Special is not to be missed! The power of Life Day compels you!

Oh yes! The holiday special. Many drunken fond memories of it, I have.

It's truly a psychedelic experience. Bea Arthur singing schmaltzy show tunes to crappy-looking aliens in the bar on Tattoine? Check! Tiny holographic acrobats (clearly related to the little people who drive Naomi Watts insane in Mulholland Dr.) doing a sexually suggestive act in front of a grotesque muppet monster? Check! Luke Skywalker in drag? Check! A "hilarious" skit about house searches and police kidnappings, possibly inspired by Anne Frank? Check! Virtual Wookie porn? Check! Carrie Fisher coked up to her eyeballs? Triple-check!

I mean, this is the show where we learn Chewie has family members called Lumpy and Scratchy (sorry, Lumpy and Itchy), who live in a tackily decorated middle-class apartment inside a tree. The geniuses behind this 3-hour special decided to make all the main character Wookies, who DON'T SPEAK, and therefore spend most of the running time GRUNTING at each other. Monkeys throwing poo would have been far more exciting, not to mention intellectually stimulating.

And buried in the middle of this crapfest, a real golden nugget: an animated short in the style of Heavy Metal, featuring the first appearance of Boba Fett. (Later sampled to great effect by UNKLE: "You are alone?...Ã,  Maybe I can help you.")

What took me so long to post this...

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=150

Ah.  Stupid quicktime... no don't have it installed.  I only have internet at work for the time being and they have all sorts of blocks on installing things, quicktime being one of those things.  So, unless there's a different format out there, then alas I will still not be able to see it.  *sniff*

Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sun 05/06/2005 14:14:48
Perhaps final resting proof that Lucas is completely bonkers, I present to you...

Lifeday - The Star Wars Holiday Special. (http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/lifeday.mov)

Warning: This may be the worst thing you'll ever watch.

Is this the thing where Boba Fett was supposed to have made his first appearance?

Also, i'm guessing that what we're seeing there is just snippets of the full version, right? Otherwise, it's disgustingly disjointed.

The full version is an hour and a half long (and you can get it here: http://www.blueharvest.net/video/original.shtml ). I tried to watch it all the way through, but every fifteen minutes I had to take a break because I could feel my brain trying to escape through my ears (seriously true).
I can truly say it's the most worst thing ever and it will make you cry. You can read reviews and they will agree with me and you'll be like me and think "Oh, golly, it couldn't be that bad!" but you are a naïve Pollyanna and a fool!!

I will never be the same. I am a hardened, soulless woman thanks to this crap. It's no wonder George Lucas wants to explode every copy in existance.

Not that he'll succeed, thanks to the miracle of the internet...

wow.  I had read all the reviews, and listened to all the warnings... and I still couldn't fathom that it would be THAT bad.  It's a Star Wars thing, so the fangirl in me REALLY wanted to like.  I mean, I REALLY wanted to find something good in it..... oh well.

I have just seen the movie. Really impressive... I don't remember I had almost cried in the cinema before. (especially when Anakin fell into the lava and got burned)

Does anybody wonder why Yoda speaks so funny?
I'm sure, he had an apoplexia. ;)

I wish there were other aliens of the same race as Yoda in Star Wars so we can see if they all speak funny.

Quote from: Zor on Tue 14/06/2005 15:20:04

I wish there were other aliens of the same race as Yoda in Star Wars so we can see if they all speak funny.

Too much into this, you think.


Bt

there was, wasn't there? Yiddle or Yaddle or something. But I don't think he/she said anything.

Quote from: Babar on Tue 14/06/2005 21:29:58
there was, wasn't there? Yiddle or Yaddle or something. But I don't think he/she said anything.

Yaddle, it was.  Weird looking bad puppet in Phantom Menace, she was.


Did anyone else think the Yoda puppet in Phantom Menace blew ass, by the way?  I like the digital Yoda much better.


Bt

Quote from 'The Simpsons: Mayored to the Mob':
Do it for Chewie and the Ewoks... and... all the other puppets....

Quote from: Thomas VoàŸ on Tue 14/06/2005 15:04:00
Does anybody wonder why Yoda speaks so funny?
I'm sure, he had an apoplexia. ;)

I think it's because of Lucas obsession with Japaniese films.
In the english language, a sentence is build as Object-Verb-Object, while in japaniese a sentence is build as Object-Object-Verb.
Just like Yoda speaks (I think?)

Subject-verb-object and Subject-object-verb

QuoteAccording to Frank Oz in interviews, his reasoning for the character Yoda's speech pattern was that he was a very reserved and serious being and opted for an older more formal mode of talking. Sort of like the SW equivalent of thee and thou, you know? A way to explain the shift from all formal in the PT to only some formal in the OT is that after many years alone and away from the temple/company of Jedi council members probably eroded his habits quite a bit. His bearing and demeanor certainly changed. Being a refugee will do that, I guess.

Said by a guy in some forum I can't remember...

(http://ffmedia.ign.com/starwars/image/article/600/600586/yaddle_bg_1112340599.jpg)
And here is Yaddle, in the Jedi council in the prequels. ^_^