The Afterlife... (And a little bit about human nature, too)

Helm · Tue 19/12/2006 15:10:08

QuoteSeriously, I was held in a cage and beaten with Bibles. Helm, I think you had a little bit more laid back experience to understand.

Well I don't know... I've been chased by idiots for months, eventually caught and beat up for not being a good christian in school. I've been dumped for being satan's child too. What could be more substantial than physical and emotional harm to make me an extremist?

lo_res_man · Tue 19/12/2006 19:54:54

"I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
that is my mantra, and though we all have these discussions that seem to last forever, and go nowere, I am glad that we can. Though part of me is scared to death

of what comes after, I think it better to focus on living a life worth living and helping others. anything else is just "who knows" So all ye piles of organized atoms, with or without a soul, lets go out there and LIVE

Andail · Tue 19/12/2006 20:13:11

Quote from: lo_res_man on Tue 19/12/2006 19:54:54
"I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
that is my mantra

That's silly, because you most likely wouldn't risk dying. Most people who talk like that, realise that they wouldn't even risk their pinky toe to defend freedom of speech for all those millions of people in numerous countries in the world who don't have it.
Sorry, just in a cynical mood right now...

lo_res_man · Tue 19/12/2006 20:21:40

I understand, I went through a cynical phase as well, then I relized I care too much. The way things are going in the usa and in the northern state of canada, I think I might be having to "risk my pinky toe" right where I live. Do NOT get me started on the patriot act.
George W Bush lied through his buck TEETH, then YEARS , and BILLIONS of dollers, later. he admits it, and its just NORMAL. There is work to be done here, right NOW. Next election in my contrey of any sort, I am throwing my hat in the ring, which is more then most people could say.

Helm · Tue 19/12/2006 21:07:47

You certainly care enough to let an internet forum know how much you care. That's the extent to which any of us can testify. Otherwise, deeds, not words seal the deal. Get to it. There's a lot of causes where your eagerness to die would be welcomed.

lo_res_man · Tue 19/12/2006 21:33:51

sorry if I sounded snarky. It is my intention to run for office, hopefully there will be elections next time. SOrry for any confusion, it is a quote, I think voltaire said something like it. It is also retoric. And somewhat hyperboyle. As in, " I could just die for a glass of water" Clumsy languege on my part. :'( sorry.

Helm · Tue 19/12/2006 22:41:01

How disappointing...

lo_res_man · Tue 19/12/2006 22:49:18

Look, I am passionate moderate okay, call me wishy washy if you want,,but I think freedom of speechg is the most importent one we have, it also appears to be the first to be discarded.I hold opinions of my own, I just don't think we should start a war over them.

Erenan · Tue 19/12/2006 23:04:27

When you say that the freedom of speech is the first to be discarded, what do you mean? That people don't take advantage of their right to say how they feel and what they think? Or that people's freedom of speech is being taken away from them by people in authority? Or something else?

Raggit · Tue 19/12/2006 23:34:27

I must agree with lo_res_man, that freedom of speech is BEING discarded. (Don't know about Canada, but definately in America.)

It's in its first stages of being discarded, with people being put on terror watch lists for disagreeing with and protesting the government, photographers and journalists being intimidated and blocked, and, of course, dissenters being called TRAITORS.

Good on you, lo_res_man, if you're running for office. That is indeed more than most people can say for themselves.

This is getting WAY off topic, but how are things in Canada, politically? How do you view the way America has been behaving recently?

lo_res_man · Wed 20/12/2006 20:10:00

I was mildly okay with Afghanistan, but, apparently, Iraq was completely unjustified. people should be protesting in the streets when ol' George admitted he had LIED, but NOTHING happened. In canada things could be worse, we don't have the patriot act, thank GOD, but with Harper, its hard to know what we got, the guy is so secretive. Most Canadians think American are a bunch of doody heads, but that isn't true, is it? And yes when I said freedom of speechis the first to be discarded, I meant it is being discarded, NOW. To quote Sergeant York, (I wonder if there will be a remake) "War is killin' and killin' is against the 'Book.'" If you ask me a patriot is not just one who follows his government, but one who is willing to question his government when he thinks they are wrong .the government isn't the country, WE, (well not me if I am elected) are the country. They may be management, but how much work in a company does management do? By the blood and toil of the millions of people men and woman, employed and unemployed, In prison and free, WE are the country. The government is important, there is no questioning but the truth of the matter is, WE are the country.

Raggit · Wed 20/12/2006 21:02:43

When did Bush actually say he lied? I only ever heard him say the intelligence turned out to be wrong, but I never heard him say he lied.

Not calling you a liar, just asking.

BTW, what will you be running for?

Becky · Wed 20/12/2006 21:13:34

Let's hope you actually qualify for office.

lo_res_man · Wed 20/12/2006 21:26:06

Whatever election comes up next, except for a federal, I don't own any property. :'(

Raggit · Wed 20/12/2006 21:44:55

Becky, read the thread and check his profile. He lives in Canada.

Becky · Wed 20/12/2006 21:59:18

Ah, sorry, my mistake.

lo_res_man · Wed 20/12/2006 22:05:08

though enough people have made that mistake, ask enough americans, and at least one will think canada is part of america.

Andail · Wed 20/12/2006 22:11:20

Do you mean to say "canada is a part of USA"?

lo_res_man · Wed 20/12/2006 22:17:27

Um... yesâ€¦ pardon my English, my grammar always rusty, but doesn't it mean the same thing?

And yes, all Bush jr. said was that the intelligence was wrong. But his own intelligence must be abysmal for him to not have already known that. On second thought, your right, he didn't lie.

Raggit · Wed 20/12/2006 22:33:52

Quote from: lo_res_man on Wed 20/12/2006 22:17:27
Um... yesâ€¦ pardon my English, my grammar always rusty, but doesn't it mean the same thing? And yes, all Bush jr. said was that the intelligence was wrong. But his own intelligence must be abysmal for him to not have already known that. On second thought, your right, he didn't lie.

No, no, don't get me wrong! Bush DID lie right out of his ass to get into Iraq. I just didn't remember him actually admitting it. If he did, I was gonna ask you for sources and start emailing all my Bush-bot friends.