The Afterlife... (And a little bit about human nature, too)

Andail · Fri 15/12/2006 17:28:07

Big brother, maybe the christians in question are the millions and millions of missionaries, narrowminded priests, conservative catholics who condemn just about everything, etc etc, all those who actually need to spread ignorance to the people in order to maintain their power? I don't think a handful of scientists (who happened to be religious) change this argument.

Erenan · Fri 15/12/2006 17:29:45

Whoops, did I say "phenomenons"?

I meant "phenomena," of course!

Quote from: evenwolf on Fri 15/12/2006 08:16:09
Christians want to cockblock science from kids.Ã,Â They are further causing ignorance, they surely don't think of their practices this way.Ã,Â But that is precisely what these Christians are doing.Ã,Â Ã,Â Save some face and stop your fellow Christian folk.

Seeing as I no longer affiliate myself with Christianity in general, let alone Christian groups in South Carolina and Kansas, I fail to see how I'm somehow responsible for the messes that certain Christians may be making. Even if I did still consider myself Christian, I still fail to see how a Californian Christian (enough school system issues in this state to last me a lifetime, thank you very much) would be expected to "save some face," as you put it, by going on tour around America trying to stop other Christians from setting unreasonable precedents about political issues, which would be a daunting task, indeed!

Now, when you say that Christianity is like politics, you seem to take this a step further and equate Christianity itself with politics in which many Christians are involved. Creationism vs. Evolution is not an issue dealing with Christianity as a religion. This is political in nature, something that many Christians are concerned with because they consider it relevant to their faith. Personally, I find it only marginally relevant at best.

My point is just that: This whole anti-modern scientific theory trend in Christian circles these days is not a Christian issue. To say that religion is to blame is, in my opinion, very shortsighted, because the religion in and of itself does not directly address the issue in any way shape or form. This is something that people are doing. The fact that they happen to be Christian is no black mark on the religion itself.

evenwolf · Fri 15/12/2006 18:02:19

Well I don't see any Buddhists trying to force the teaching of Buddhism in schools...

OK, we won't let a couple of rotten eggs ruin the omelet. I will from this point on use the term "Southern Baptists" for all Christian ignoramuses. But I think it's a little unfair that those with faith in science are forced to follow the thousands of chess pieces and moves and arbitrary distinctions of religions one considers a myth to begin with.

You're all at fault in that regard, I'm afraid. Simplify your silly teams.

MrColossal · Fri 15/12/2006 19:05:16

Athiests are skins, you guys can be shirts!

Erenan · Fri 15/12/2006 19:06:17

Evenwolf, are you asking for Christians across the world all to agree to have the same opinions on everything so that scientists don't have to distinguish between them? Yeah, I guess that's fair.

evenwolf · Fri 15/12/2006 19:21:00

Yes! From now you must be Catholic! From now on you must wear one of those silly rubber things on the end of your cock!

Erenan · Fri 15/12/2006 19:29:38

Only if all scientists agree to work on a time machine for me.

evenwolf · Fri 15/12/2006 19:34:43

Science has better things to do than chase unicorns! Don't get me started on time travel. If it existed, don't you think there'd be some evidence other than some kid posting on the internet!

Furthermore, Scid built a monument in his backyard which said "Here on this date, time travelers first appeared publically and let their presence be known." And no one ever showed up! Time travel doesn't exist, even as a possibility. That's a whole other thread.

Erenan · Fri 15/12/2006 19:40:55

Just to clarify... we were joking, yes?

lo_res_man · Fri 15/12/2006 22:02:44

I hope so, time travile does exist, the most evidense comes from time travle to the future, its called time dilation and its part of relitivity. We need super computers to compinsate for the rate of time gps satilites go at, othereeise gps would be much more inaccurate. time travle to the past? posssible, but we can't do it yet, all you require are closed loops of space time. go find a black hole or something. I guess part of the problem, is that for millenia religion has answerd life question, the sciense comes along, a relitive upstart, and starts asking questions. its a transition stage. I am sure in a few hundred years, it'll all work out people will hold religios belifs, and not even think about sciense for the most part. In the future not everone is going to be scinetest, contrary to star trek mythos

evenwolf · Fri 15/12/2006 22:31:53

Not everyone will be scientists? Did I make this claim? If today's trend is religion, and I say in the future we will see a shift towards science... then am I also making the claim that everyone today is a priest or a rabbi?

And so you've been to the future? Does the english language still exsit?

Andail · Fri 15/12/2006 23:29:28

Look everyone, Evenwolf is delirious

Helm · Fri 15/12/2006 23:57:40

QuoteAthiests are skins, you guys can be shirts!

Taste the man-sweat.

Raggit · Sat 16/12/2006 02:45:14

No, no, no, let's not make this a time travel discussion! (What is it with AGSers and time travel, anyway?)

I do have to agree with wolfy. As I said earlier, Christians disregard any science that disproves what they believe, and embrace any science that supports them.

It's because they ONLY want to teach what looks good to them in schools that they're "cockblocking."

Either they want to bar any other science from being taught at all, or they want to "teach" them both, side by side, which, in my view, is inappropriate.

Dmitri · Sat 16/12/2006 05:21:50

Has science disproved God? (I'm seriously just curious because I don't know if it has or not)

evenwolf · Sat 16/12/2006 05:24:47

Dmitri- Nothing can actually disprove God. That's the problem many rational people have with him. Even if the Big Bang were proven, people could argue intelligent design.

Andail · Sat 16/12/2006 10:44:47

Just don't get us started on intelligent design! We had a thread about that not long ago. I made so good arguments in that thread, it'd take me several minutes to come up with equally good arguments.

Erenan · Sat 16/12/2006 18:42:00

The Big Bang theory isn't an atheistic theory. It says absolutely nothing about whether God or something else caused the universe to exist. (I think.) In fact, there are already lots and lots of theists who believe in the Big Bang.

Akumayo · Sat 16/12/2006 20:41:17

BACK to the original discussion. I just noticed this topic, and I must say, that I don't really CARE what the afterlife has for me. When I do, boo hoo, I'm gone, what's next? Well, if it's something, go me, if not, I'm not going to care much since I don't exist, will I?

LimpingFish · Sat 16/12/2006 20:49:36

Quote from: Erenan on Sat 16/12/2006 18:42:00
In fact, there are already lots and lots of theists who believe in the Big Bang.

And this is the problem with this kind of discussion. Belief systems have become so fractured and fragmented, that nobody can even agree on the basic points of each others arguments.

Which kills any hope of constructive debate.