http://igg.me/p/219272?a=1163563
Here is a link to my Indiegogo account for funding
SCIENCE FICTION.
I would like to be able to give something back to my 2 collaborators on the game.
The campaign has been cancelled.
Um. All for people's projects, but er, ripped sprite from Reality on the Norm?
A URL that contains the word "igg" ?
[embed=640,360]<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/RrPyWDTTWxc?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the project's site mention what backers will get for their money as opposed to people who aren't going to back this?
Right now, you're just asking for money but not offering anything in exchange.
Quote from: m0ds on Sat 01/09/2012 03:54:43
A URL that contains the word "igg" ?
I'm pretty sure that's just a short URL for IndieGoGo, the host website.
Also: I wouldn't give a single penny based on that website. Ripped sprites, no real information and no content.
Difficult to say how the writing will turn out, but there is now a scene that features all of the world's intellectual property being summoned into a interplanetary sleeper ship by a small bejeweled dog.
I'll be watching this one closely. It makes my disire burns like fire.
I update the site every day.
I have added photos and information.
Nano is Robot Joe. The artist gave me permission to use Robot Joe.
Looks like your game is a collection of copyrighted robots.
Chihuahua- I'm pretty sure that's how you spell it;)
Also, you can't have all those robots in a game you're intending to charge people $9 for! George Lucas will send his personal robots after you and even your chihuahua won't be able to save you!:)
Maybe it's going to be the long awaited sequel to Limbo of the Lost (http://lotl.wikia.com/wiki/Limbo_of_the_Lost_Wiki)?
So, can I assume George Lucas told you its okay to use his characters in your commercial game? If you want to rip images from other works without permission, you can't charge money for it, period.
It was not a commercial game. Indiegogo requires a value on any perk. Campaign was stopped by me.
The fact that you were asking for money for it makes it a commercial game, though; you were asking people to pay you to make a game using characters you didn't own.
I just wanted to chime in and add my two cents to the commercial debate and just say that you can technically raise money for a fan project that uses copy-written materials as long as you release it for free upon completion and don't charge for the item itself or list it as a reward for backing.
The crew that made that amazing Left 4 Dead fan film a year or two ago which used several licensed characters from multiple franchises used kickstarter (I think, could have been igg) to raise the funds, and their reward tiers were all things like thanks in the film, shirts, producer credit, etc. but the film was planned from the get-go as a free release. All money went toward production and anything left at the end was not kept by the crew.
I don't know if that was the case here or not, I was just throwing it out there for anyone looking to make a fan project and get funding, it's possible.
I stand corrected! In this particular case, it looks like the only reward tier is a "free" copy of the game (for a donation of $9), so it's still iffy. Interesting loophole, though; I wasn't aware of that.
dbuske, it looks like the campaign's still technically active; if you want to stick with it, maybe offer to add donors' names to the credits, instead? I remember seeing some awesome ideas being passed around in this thread, too: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=46268.0
Yeah I mean really the only hurdle is actually getting people to pay so you can make something you're going to give away for free anyway. Unless you're a media celebrity it's damn near impossible. The L4D fan film crew was able to pull it off because they had already shot a three minute teaser as their advertising video.
Another reason not to do this is Indiegogo's terms which you must have signed up to if you have an account:
QuoteYou may not use the Service for activities that: ... (ii) relate to sales of ... (f) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction
and...
QuoteYou must be the owner of all the Intellectual Property Rights (as defined below) in the User Content you post, or have explicit permission from the owner(s) of all such rights to post the User Content on Indiegogo
dbuske, shouldn't you, I don't know, actually end the campaign?
It's still running as far as Indiegogo is concerned. I don't think simply posting that it has ended is enough.
There is no way to stop it from running. I have notices up that say it was ended.
I sent a message to Indiegogo to have it stopped. We will see if they do it.
A quick Google search brings up this option for canceling it: http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/20407982-deleting-or-hiding-a-campaign
Edit: Nevermind; that's already been covered!
Please read all the posts please.
Whoops, sorry about that! Guess I have an itchy posting finger.
Quote from: dbuske on Thu 13/09/2012 22:54:46
Please read all the posts please.
Like how you read the IndieGoGo T&C before trying to rip us off with your campaign?
Quote from: amateurhour on Wed 12/09/2012 16:36:30
I just wanted to chime in and add my two cents to the commercial debate and just say that you can technically raise money for a fan project that uses copy-written materials as long as you release it for free upon completion and don't charge for the item itself or list it as a reward for backing.
I think this is 'can' in the sense that you probably won't get into trouble. But it still isn't legal to use other people's material whether you profit from it or not.
Quote from: Ali on Fri 14/09/2012 21:01:57
Quote from: amateurhour on Wed 12/09/2012 16:36:30
I just wanted to chime in and add my two cents to the commercial debate and just say that you can technically raise money for a fan project that uses copy-written materials as long as you release it for free upon completion and don't charge for the item itself or list it as a reward for backing.
I think this is 'can' in the sense that you probably won't get into trouble. But it still isn't legal to use other people's material whether you profit from it or not.
Yes and No. Copyright law has a lot of holes in it, in particular is has two popular defenses in fair use and the first amendment, which contain sub-defenses like parody and implied consent (I.E. if the team from Valve say "we love the way people make all this fan generated content", it's implied consent that they allow it and does hold up in court)
While someone could be taken to court over a free distribution of fan works based on copy written material, they'd be likely to, and have often won based on the above defenses.
Interestingly, the guy who is the resident IP attorney for deviantart gave a speech on this at SDCC (San Diego Comic Con) 2012 that recently hit the interwebs. It's an hour long, but an amazing listen.
http://www.webcomicmarketing.com/fan-art-panel-at-sdcc-2012/
I will agree with you that technically it's illegal in a broad stroke that all works based on derivative pieces are a breach of copyright law, but there's several upheld in the supreme court defenses to that law.
I only argue it because I don't want to see great potential artists, musicians, or developers learning their craft turned away because of the threat of a lawsuit by a company that owns the rights to the inspiration for wanting to learn those crafts.
Having said
that.... If you're a good artist, writer, musician, or developer and you've been one for years, having honed your skillset,
stop using other people's shit : )
Interestingly it's also territorial when it comes to copyright law. For example, a UK business is likely to get a break (leniency) more than a US business. But I agree with amateurhour, "Copyright law has a lot of holes in it" - it's worth looking into. It's worth doing it by the book, because the book is really skew-if and gives you quite a lot of leeway, rather than not doing it by the book and making yourself vulnerable.