**Deleted, because I felt as though I was being crucified over and over again. Wasn't anything important, anyway**
Didn't the Tsunami speed up the earth's spinning by a very slight ammount and knock it off rotation by a very slight ammount?
That too, I think. Well, the world sure ain't what it used to be. :P
No it isn't ;)
1. The theory that dinosaurs evolved into birds for years. This is not news. I remember learning about it when I was in grade one.
2. Tyrannosaurus Rex doesn't mean "King of Tyrans." It means that it is the greatest (King) of the Tyrannosauridae (Tyrant lizards, so called because they were predator dinosaurs, with much larger teeth than other dinosaurs)
3. Continental shift has always been happening. It never stopped. This is what earthquakes, and therfore tsunamis, are.
4. The earth is NOT completely round, even with the tsunami. It is more round, yes, but it's not a ball.
Mr. Fisherman, however, is correct. The earth's rotation has sped up. Days are now 2.68 microseconds shorter! Oh noes! I must get a new watch.
1 - It was news to me. I only knew it today, on account of it actually being proven and not theory anymore.
2 - Oh. Funny. I guess I either learned that wrong or was taught it wrong.
3 - I had than impression, but then was told otherwise...
4 - ...again, I was told otherwise...
...bleh to unproven communication. So, do I get the FOREGO award for the thread with most redundancies/flat-out-non-truths? ;D
<sigh> I just don't have what it takes to be a thread starter, I guess. ::)
please post the reference where it was proven that dinosaurs evolved into birds.
and isn't it kind of silly to believe that the earth is completely round? as Scotch said: "It doesn't seem completely round to me, I still live on a hill."
And I live in a valley.
Who told you this stuff and why did you believe them?
So a wave that was caused by continental drift has wiped out the mountains and hills etc. to allow continental drift. I kapeesh
Post the reference? I heard it on the news just about 2 hours ago. :P
Well, no, it doesn't seem all that silly... not to me, at least, who have only the barest idea of how a tsunami can/will affect the earth.
A friend told me, and she saw it somewhere. I know this doesn't sound too reliable, but I'm gullible. And the friends I keep usually tell me correct things. Or at least things they themselves think to be correct.
Las Naranjas - heh, ok, let's not flog the dead horse. I actually assumed by the way my friend had phrased it that the continental drift had stopped. My bad. Maybe she only meant it would now speed up.
EDIT - "Flog the dead horse"? Does that expression even exist, or am I high without even knowing it?
I saw a documentary on TV about killer cars when I was 12. Apparently Henry Ford's demonical twin brother invented an engine part that causes cars to go rampant every now and then. Engineers apparenly can't figure out what the part does, but without it the engines won't run.
Yeah.
Ok, ok, I'm gullible. But this was on the news, yes? At least the part about it being proved, which is the only part related to TV, so I assume that was what you meant. I only saw this two hours ago and haven't even thought of double checking it anywhere. Plus, there's an exposition here in Lisbon which goes into further depth, WITH information about the newfound link between dinosaurs and birds.
I'm gullible, but not enough to start a thread like this if I hadn't heard it from a reliable source. Well, at least part of it. Ok, so some of the things I say are not reliable... but the thing which made me start the thread was, I felt, reliable.
I mean, come on - it was on the news. And people who knew about it, specialists, talked about the newfound proof. I know there are places where even rumours go on the news, but that hardly happens in here. And when it does, it's big rumours, rumours that actually classify as "gossip". I don't think people would gossip about this. :P
A few years ago they found the missing link between birds and dinosaurs. Many news programs, newspapers and palaeontologists reported it as true. Turned out a Chinese farmer had glued together various pieces of a skeleton.
Yeah.
Edit: Info here. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1120_021120_raptor.html)
Heh. Ok. I give up. :)
BTW, if I may change the subject just a little - that thread awhile ago about Tortuga having disappeared under the water? What DID happen? Because this forum and the links it provided was the only place where that sort of thing was referenced.
EDIT RE ROUNDNESS - But I never said it was a flat BALL. Jesus, only now I understood what you meant. No, of course hills and valleys are still there! I only meant that it was no longer flat at the poles! Which it apparently still is, though, slightly, which renders the whole thing pointless anyway. :P
It was not prooven. Except for mathmatics, nothing is ever prooven, everything is just a theory. Theories with more or less supporting evidence, perhaps. Gravity, for instance, just a theory. LGM having no taste or class, just a theory. Me being awesome, perhaps the most supported theory of our time, but still a theory.
I was going to comment with something snide, disproving the whole evolution bit..
But.. Everyone did it for me. So.. uhh.. SO THERE!
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And yes, Unilin. About that theory on me:
It IS just a theory; YOUR theory. It's not a very good one at that, as you know only my onine persona. You know nothing of my hobbies, my interests, my goals, and my aspirations. You assume the worst in me for reasons unkown. I hope you get some kick out of this, otherwise there is no method to your cruelty.
Get off your pedestal and find someone else to pester.
Actually, Mssrs Collosal and Naranjas, the earth IS rounder. The circumphrence of the earth around the equator is greater than the circumphrence around the poles. It IS slightly more equal now, though we obviously still have mountains, valleys, gorges, foothills, and other terrain.
I give you proof! (http://news.com.com/Tsunami+moves+North+Pole,+shortens+daytime/2100-1008_3-5536983.html)
Neither of them denied it was any rounder though.
Quote from: [lgm] on Wed 02/02/2005 00:26:02
And yes, Unilin. About that theory on me:
It IS just a theory; YOUR theory. It's not a very good one at that, as you know only my onine persona. You know nothing of my hobbies, my interests, my goals, and my aspirations. You assume the worst in me for reasons unkown. I hope you get some kick out of this, otherwise there is no method to your cruelty.
Get off your pedestal and find someone else to pester.
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Bt
I should shut up now, but something else occurred to me, and it IS a slight change in direction, though not necessarily off-topic, so here I go.
Esseb, you have given the hoax example. Ok. But it was news. And it was accepted as news, yes? It was fundamentally a hoax, but it was news. People learned about it, and for a while it was truth.
Here's what I mean - you can't give such an example to discredit another example. You can't bring up examples of fabrications or mis-information to make a point which is, basically, "that doesn't mean it's truth". Because we don't know, and we even rely on these methods of communication TO know.
Let's put it this way - imagine that no one really knew about Siamese twins. Imagine that such twins were born in Portugal, and that the news quickly spread - more quickly in Portugal because it had happened here (not the case in the whole dinosaur business, of course, but this is just an example). I can just picture you posting something about a previous hoax and photo doctoring and whatnot and ending your post with "Yeah".
See what I mean? We accept the news as news. Or we don't. But that doesn't make them true or untrue, and more often than not we accept them into our "pit" of knowledge. The ones we don't are things we've seen faked before... but it's like, some things DO happen, and the fact that there have been hoaxes won't stop them from happening - and disbelieving from the word go on such evidence won't always be exact.
EDIT - A better example might be that Tortuga issue. It's still there, thank God, but for awhile everybody in this forum who had read that thread had thought it wasn't. ANd the key word in the source article, titled "Haità teme que la tormenta 'Jeanne' haya provocado la desaparición de la isla La Tortuga", is "teme" - fears. Haiti FEARS that the Hurrican Jeanne, blahblahblah. It's not conclusive. Couldn't be double-checked. But people still assimilated it as the truth, though it turned out not to be the case.
Really, my post - or any point which starts out with mis-information - was not at all different from that one in the most important point - it was simply based on untrue info. I tried to start a thread which I thought was interesting, about this recent issue that was on my mind. DragonRose enumerated my flaws in reasoning, and Mr Colossal was a bit more direct and blunt... and you used sarcasm. I can't help but feel that everyone who read the post while it was still up there really disliked it for some reason, and posted against it, even after I had (indirectly) apologized for my gullibility...
...then again, I might be paranoid because it's an hour past my bedtime. I'll sleep and think about this in the morning.
EDIT AGAIN - But before I go - this is by no means an "attack" or anything towards you, or Mr Colossal, or DragonRose. I WANT my mistakes pointed out. But, so many times needlessly pointing out the same mistake and culminating in sarcasm, which is always annoying in the receiver end... it's overkill, mon.
Quote from: Rui "Erik" Pires on Tue 01/02/2005 23:41:37
...bleh to unproven communication. So, do I get the FOREGO award for the thread with most redundancies/flat-out-non-truths? ;D
Oh,
that can be arranged. Oh yes, it
can.
/me starts to cackle, then realizes that she should be working with her butler on the awards instead of maniacally laughing
Curses. Looks like I'll have to stop procrastinating.
I posted the information on the Archaeoraptor fossil and the way the media hailed it as truth in an attempt to make you take news with a grain of salt from now on. Judging by your first post, now deleted, you had taken a lot of sensational news for the truth, with no other backing than one TV program and rumours from a friend. While they might have turned out to be true, it's not wise to assume everything the news, and friends, say is true.
Regarding Siamese twins, their existence became popularly known at a time when PT Barnum paid thousands of dollars to have a replica of the Cardiff Giant built, when he could not obtain the genuine hoax, so that he could present it to punters as real. Had I lived back then I would have been very skeptical indeed before proper scientific journals reported it as fact, and even then I would wait it out a little and see if any counter-proofs were forthcoming.
What this boils down to is this: Don't automatically believe sensational news written on a deadline by journalists who are reporting on stuff they don't have an expertise in, published or shown in newspapers or TV programs that are known to have printed or broadcast erronous information on numerous previous occasions. (Which is pretty much every newspaper, TV news program ever)
LGM, I'm pretty sure that Unilin was just joking. You're probably the first name that entered his mind when making a joke. Perhaps you guys have a history that I don't know, but I never got more than a sarcastic post from his post.
QuoteDon't automatically believe sensational news written on a deadline by journalists who are reporting on stuff they don't have an expertise in, published or shown in newspapers or TV programs that are known to have printed or broadcast erronous information on numerous previous occasions. (Which is pretty much every newspaper, TV news program ever)
Ok, I'll bear that in mind. :) Thing is, I don't usually pay much attention to the news, and what news I do pay attention to is generally true, so I tend to believe the little I do hear. But rest assured, next time I say such things I will double check them.
Oh don't listen to that liberal jew run media nonsense!
Sensationalism only exists outside of Fox News! Like PBS or NPR, what a bunch of crap! That's what you get when a bunch of hippies with an "appreciation for the arts" beg the government for a tv or radio station. That's my well-spent tax dollar spent on bias (not to mention false) spinning of the facts! When I could be buying more sex toys!
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Hey! What was this post about? That interests me!!! What did the news tell? Thet there is an animal that links Dinos and Birds? Yeah, the archeaopterix, or something like that. But that does not proove anything, since in evolution there is a thing called "parallel evollution". That means that two different groups of animals can adapt theirselves in a simillar way to end in a simillar shape, for example, Ictiosaurs and Whales.
I am not saying that this thing of the "parallel evolution" was what actually happened. I don't know what happened with the dinosaurs, I was not there, and there are not remaining records to know what actually happened.
But what I think is that, yeah... some little species of dinosaurs who were able to flight some hundreds of meters (It is prooved that the Archaepterix has not enough wings surface to fly, but in the cretacic atmosphera he could have "jumped" very far like the nowadays chickens...) evolved into birds.
But pretending that our parrot is an ancient T-rex (Like some scientisct like to happily annouce) is (IMO) stupid, since that is not the brach of the dinos where the birds (are supossed) to come. That's like if a future civilization of intelligent fishes would adore an evolved brach of the rats as the descendents of the powerful Lion. Both are mammals, yeah... But they're not the same.
I think I'll go to this exposition I was talking about, it's called "Plumes in Dinossaurs" in the Museum of Natural History, one of these days, and make notes. Then I can return and say things I'm more sure about, and things which I can actually quote.
Farlander, the original post was a small reflection on how the myths of the dinossaurs came crashing down, from the great T-Rex being not at all the predator everyone thought it was to the recent discovery that it was not a plague or a comet or any such wild and romantic theory that had wiped them out, but simple evolution. I deleted it because it was apparently riddled with false information that prompted such responses that I was, less than half an hour after posting, forced to delete it or I'd never live it down (live it up?) and would die of shame outright.
Quote from: Scummbuddy on Wed 02/02/2005 03:51:03
LGM, I'm pretty sure that Unilin was just joking. You're probably the first name that entered his mind when making a joke. Perhaps you guys have a history that I don't know, but I never got more than a sarcastic post from his post.
Actually, we do have a history. He seems to like dragging my name in mud. I don't know why. It just kindof started one day.
LGM, when somebody's making a joke like that, that person will have to pick a name. You have a comical profile in this community, and you're partly responsible for that yourself. If you don't like being the resident goof, start building a more serious reputation.
Oh, thanks Rui... So, if anybody wants my opinion (which is not very original, though) The meteor that felt into the Yucatan pen killed the dinosaurs... But the fossile records show that the population of the dinos was redoucing, in numbers of individuals and species. I don't think that htey could have lasted more than another 5 or 10 million years without the meteor. A study (whihc pretends to be serious) says they would have dissapeared in 6 millions. I would never dare to stale such an accurate date, but I quite agree with the "spirit" of the study.
About the T-Rex... everyday passes paleontologists are more for the theory that it was a huge cretacic hyena...
Quote from: Andail on Wed 02/02/2005 19:14:01
LGM, when somebody's making a joke like that, that person will have to pick a name. You have a comical profile in this community, and you're partly responsible for that yourself. If you don't like being the resident goof, start building a more serious reputation.
I understand my reputation as the quirky, sometimes annoying fellow. I understand why some people would want to reference me for a joke. I'm okay with that (see Las's sig), but Unilin has been doing more than that for a long while now. But I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, so I'll just ignore it from now on.
And please don't say I am not serious. Just because I tend not to put much thought in some of my posts, doesn't mean I can't be serious, comprehensible, or even logical. I guess I'm just not the best at expressing myself properly.
Anyways. On with the discussion!
Quote from: MrColossal on Tue 01/02/2005 23:44:15
and isn't it kind of silly to believe that the earth is completely round?
Yeah... what the hell is wrong with you people? The earth is flat!
Quote from: Andail on Wed 02/02/2005 19:14:01
LGM, when somebody's making a joke like that, that person will have to pick a name. You have a comical profile in this community, and you're partly responsible for that yourself. If you don't like being the resident goof, start building a more serious reputation.
It seems to me like lately he has been trying to do so.
And, on a more serous note, I can personally vouch for LGM's lack in taste or class (or hygiene, but that's another story!) ;)
j/k LGM you know I love you
I can't see what Unilin said that got a whole bunch of panties in a knot. But if you feel someone wronged you, you don't go, "OMG YUO DOANT KNOW ME!!1" That's the second-worst argument on the internet (The first being any mention of Hitler). What you do is have a bigass, motherfucken duel-off, like these guys:
(http://renaissance.dm.net/compendium/art/duel.gif)
YEAH! That shit looks awesome!
Dang! Those clothes would have made it impossible to stand straight! :=
Meep. Again I must correct misconceptions. Those clothes actually forced you to stand upright.
The slops (big poofy pants things) are just really poofy pants. It's completely possible put your knees together while wearing them. The doublet (tight things they're wearing around their torsos) would have metal boning in them to act as a bit of a corset. It's hard to slouch when you're wearing one.
WHY DO I KNOW SO MUCH RANDOM TRIVIA????
Because you're a renfair nerd?
Well, yes. ;D
But that doesn't explain how I know about dinosaurs and the rotation of the earth and so forth.
Oh DeeG.. It wasn't just what he said this time.. But I don't want to keep talking about it.
Bring the swords; Unilin and I shall have our duel. Yea..
Yeah! A Monkey Island Insult Swordfight on the forums!
Hmmmmmmmmm, that sounds like actually a nice game to be played on this our gengen board...
Oh yeah? Well, LGM fights like a cow!
Erm... :P
Oh yea? Well, your MOM fights like a cow.
Ooh! SNAP!
Well, I just wanted to add something....
There are so many different trains of thought in the science world, several very different theories about various mysteries of the world, the past and life in general. Very often these trains of thought get derailed by proof from scientist who took a completely different stance on the same subjects.
A few years later the previously debunked theory might then again come to fore with new proof that they were right all along. It's a vicious circle.
What I'm trying to get at is that science is not infallible, since human beings aren't infallible.
Remember the carbon dating test? It was supposed to be a highly accurate test to date unearthed artifacts. Well, several years ago they used it on a modern day cow and the results showed the cow was thousands of years old!
Also, several years ago medical scientists said that it was healthier to use margerine rather than butter, since butter had a higher calorie count. Several years afterwards a new study showed that in general, it doesn't matter which you use, since the two weighed up roughly at the same amount of calories.
People have theories and ways of proving their theories, but this is many times also true for the people who have opposing views (and also have proof to sustain their views).
To conclude, I'll just say that science has given us many truths, but every now and then these truths are shattered by the results of a new experiment. It is up to us to decide what we believe and what we don't.
We could decide to force our views onto others because we KNOW we are right and the other person is wrong, but that other person might again have proof to show that THEY are right, so it's a useless struggle at times.
All I have left to say is stick to what you believe in, but be open to the possibility that some things you believe might get debunked in an instant, or something that you always thought might be true might just suddenly be proven by the result of some ne scientific discovery....