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[Andail]

I like Futurama and Monty Pyton

Amen!

And one day you'll learn to appreciate political satire as well! One day!

[Matti]

Nacho, I'm with Andail here, can't agree to a single sentence in your post.

If you attack the political wing that is leading the polls, you are an idiot which can' t stand how democracy works, and how majorities choose a party.

I would change that sentence into something like that: If you don't think that political satire should be part of society then you don't understand how democracy should work. It doesn't only have a humorous aspect but also an educational, critical one which should be important for an enlightened society. And when I come across things like Evo Morales at the Daily Show I'm happy that shows like these exist.

If you "attack" the party that is below, you might know what majorities are, but you are bing a coward who makes jokes knowing that is going to have the safety net of the majority of the audience clapping your show. A humourist simply goes to 0 in my respectometer if gets into politics...

Are you serious? Is it e.g. "cowardly" to make fun of the both major parties in the US? And does it matter which party wins this time? If you think democracy is filling out a ballot every four years, and if you think the "majority" of the people really stand behind the party that won the election then you're being naive without caring about politics at all (which is perhaps the reaon you don't find political satire funny).

Additionally I have to say that even the worst Simpsons seasons can compete with Futurama's silly humor. But you should check out Season 10,13 and 15-18. There are some real gems of episodes in there.

And the obvious copies of the Simpons - Famlily Guy and American Dad - are shows that should have never been aired (like so many others  :)...

[Nacho]

I deeply apology for not liking political satire...

[Stupot]

I deeply apology for not liking political satire...

Don't worry, Nacho, you're not alone.I'm not a massive fan of political humour myself.
I'll laugh at some of it, but only out of appreciation for the wittiness of the gag rather than the political aspect.

I hate the way some otherwise hilarious comedians TRY to inject political humour into their act by saying something like "George Bush... what a c*nt!" or mentioning terrorism.  These kinds of cheap emotive "jokes" invariably get the loudest cheers of the night (especially in America) but they rarely get any actual laughs.

I'm not accusing the likes of Jon Stewart of this kind of behaviour, he is a genuinely clever and very funny man.  But I personally rarely find myself tuning in to watch these kinds of comedians.

[Nacho]

Ok, I erase my previous commentary that you are a conspiranoid... Now I love you. 

[Stupot]

I've cut my conspiranoia down to just the weekends 

[Nacho]

Oh, I love yaaaa, Stupaaaaa!

[Snarky]

I like Futurama and Monty Pyton

Amen!

And one day you'll learn to appreciate political satire as well! One day!

Besides, there's plenty of political humor in Futurama too. Just ask Al Gore's head in a jar.

[Nacho]

Of course, but it's not an important part of the show.

It still annoys me... Those are my least favourite sketches. 

I think here in Spain they aired an episode (it probably was The Simpsons, probably Futurama was not in TV by that time) about Nixon the day they said he died. Unfortunate, but shows a reality... If you make jokes against "real people", that jokes can turn against you if the circumpstances of that person changes... That' s what I don' t like impersonations, either.

There are a lot of ways to make humour... Look at the "dead parrot" sketch. Who can get annoyed by that? Nobody, I think...

Look at the "The funniest joke". Nobody' s hurt. Even the german who fought in the Ardennes can feel that the situation is so unreal that it is impossible to feel annoyed. 

Look at the "melon head baby" travelling to the past, to the Nazi Germany, and finding a badge of McCain-Palin in the body of an incosncient nazi. Who can be annpyed by that? Millions of republicans. It's not a "brave" joke. It' s something specially preppaired to annoy. Same if happens in the other side. I simply dislike it. I don' t like to fuck 50% of the country because you don' t like a political party (left or right, I don' t care...)

[Tuomas]

I suppose you won't find this funny at all then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhA9W9IgFc 

[Matti]

 :o Damn, Tuomas, that is as funny as it is pathetic. But Palin has proven often enough that she is really really dumb.

[Babar]

Errrr....joke? Fake?



....or I guess not.

[Nacho]

Is that political comedy? No... It' s cheating a politician, which is different, I guess...

I preffer the one that some Miami Radio Station did to Castro, though... "Sabía perfectamente que érais vosotros, id a mamadla, immmmpleialistas de mielda!!!"

[Tuomas]

It's not fake no, and it's really not funny either. But what can you expect from a French-Canadian duet.

[Makeout Patrol]

I think here in Spain they aired an episode (it probably was The Simpsons, probably Futurama was not in TV by that time) about Nixon the day they said he died. Unfortunate, but shows a reality... If you make jokes against "real people", that jokes can turn against you if the circumpstances of that person changes... That' s what I don' t like impersonations, either.

I get what you're saying, but that's a bad example. I am a guy who believes in respect for the dead, but seriously, fuck Nixon.

[Nacho]

It was just an example of how the joke can turn into cruel and annoying.

Imagine, I don' t know, let' s say Paris Hilton... The perfect target for jokes, blonde, stupid, rich... Let' s all make fun of her!

and now imagine she has an accident and becomes paraplegic or something... All those episodes, monologues, sketches about her would result extremelly unrespectfull and not funny at all.

That' s why I think humour must not aim to anything "real". It' s humour, please! It' s funny to laugh WITH, not ABOUT.

[Sam.]

Nacho, that is a very odd attitude.

She has an accident so all jokes about her become unfunny?
She will still be stupid and blonde and rich, the only jokes that would be retrospectively unfunny, would be "She is so blonde and stupid, I hope she falls off a bridge".

All humour comes from reality, that's why you laugh. Even if it is a twisted version of reality such as monty python, you are laughing at the absurdity of it, if it wasn't about real life you wouldn't be able to relate, and it would be not funny. I think john cleese said he wouldnt make jokes about cancer, but everything else is allowed. (paraphrase alert!)

If a politician can't laugh at themselves, they aren't worth their salt. Good examples, McCain and Sarah Palin/Tina Fey on SNL, or Barack Obama on the Daily Show.

Politicians are fair game, and as long as its not, "Iraq, what's THAT all about?" then I think it's a good source for comedy.

[Matti]

Look at the "melon head baby" travelling to the past, to the Nazi Germany, and finding a badge of McCain-Palin in the body of an incosncient nazi. Who can be annpyed by that? Millions of republicans. It's not a "brave" joke. It' s something specially preppaired to annoy. Same if happens in the other side. I simply dislike it. I don' t like to fuck 50% of the country because you don' t like a political party (left or right, I don' t care...)

No, making intelligent jokes about people or parties isn't "something especially prepaired to annoy", it's criticism. It's a difference between saying "Hahaha, Bush is dumb and looks like a monkey" and showing footage of republicans how they promise heaven on earth and doing the exact opposite after the election.

If you see critical comedy as something unnecessary then you see criticism in general as something unnecessary, and that is dangerous. What's the difference between a 100% serious criticism and criticism that is shown in a somehow entertaining way? What? If you don't like criticism then there's no need to debate at all. None about UFOs, none about an adventure's gameplay and none about politics.

What's with Chaplin who made fun of Hitler*. What's with all the millions of germans that were following him? Weren't they hurt by Chaplins parody? Same with the republicans. Things need to be outspoken. If that hurts half of the Americans, it's their fault.

*sorry to bring in the Nazis here again... Godwin's Rule striked again.


EDIT 1: Oh, Nacho postet again:

Imagine, I don' t know, let' s say Paris Hilton... The perfect target for jokes, blonde, stupid, rich... Let' s all make fun of her!

and now imagine she has an accident and becomes paraplegic or something... All those episodes, monologues, sketches about her would result extremelly unrespectfull and not funny at all.

So what? All those episodes would still be true. I don't want her or anyone else to get paraplegic, cause that's one hell of a disability, but I want to make jokes of her, when she's constantly talking garbage, getting money from papa while being an adult. I don't want her to become paraplegic but I want her to wake up. If she would mind about the jokes about her then she'd perhaps start making something useful of her instead of behaving like a barbie puppet. But if it doesn't bother her then it doesn't matter anyway.

EDIT 2:

Zooty, agreed to everything you just wrote.

[Nacho]

You know what results funny to me? Everybody trying to convince me that something that I don' t see as funny, actually is funny.

It' s like trying to convince somebody that strawberries taste good, or that golf it's interesting... "Ok, maybe for you it is, but not for me. I preffer chocolate and soccer"

But you can go on, and on, and on... I think I won't like it, even if this thread reaches 20 pages, but you never know!

[Sam.]

Don't start on strawberries, man.