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Yes on december 8th  the almighty long awaited Nintendo wii is arriving on English Shores.
Wii
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUKkWRK9gU)
Wii channels
(http://www.wii.com/uk/) 

so get down to Game or Gamestation (or any other trusted computer game retailer and preorder yours now (only £20 quid a preorder ) 
I know i'll be there

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I can't believe you're even considering buying something with such a ridiculous name.

It's gonna have better features than the PS3 or XBOX360.

Better features like different gameplay and so, not graphically. But really, I'm much more interested in Wii than in the other consoles because of the sense of imersion in a game.

Not HD = Not for me.

I can't believe that Nintendo would even consider releasing something that isn't HD.

They always seem to do something like that with each new release ... like the N64 was cartridge based, for example.

I don't know ... just seems odd that it doesn't have HD support.

Don't get me wrong, I'm ready to (and will happily) stand corrected if it's mind blowing, I just don't see it happening.

When they changed the name from "Revolution" to "Wii" I knew something was wrong :)

I think Nintendo deserves just as good of an applause as the Xbox 360 and PS3. I haven't forgotten my roots as a gamer. I think the Wii will be great. I can't wait to play the games, and judging by Sinsin's link, some of the games will be awesome.

I can't believe that Nintendo has lost such sacred fans. I know friends from when we were very young, who would come over and play Metroid. Then when SNES came out, I got one, and we played Super Metroid, along with Contra 3, and Super Mario World. I admit that today I don't even own a Nintendo console, I have an Xbox, and I hate it. The only game I find fun that I own is Halo 2...

Nowadays everyone seems concerned with graphics... graphics, graphics, graphics.
My friends that used to come over and play Nintendo now play Xbox 360, and everytime I ask them why they play Xbox, they complain and tell me to look at the "superhyper-realistic graphics" in Fight Night. Sorry, but I don't need to see Sugar Ray Leonard's sweat pour down his face. That isn't fun to me. So why is it fun to you?

I'm not saying that Xbox is worthless and that Playstation sucks, both are great consoles with some great games if you can find them, but it'll be a sad day when your deciding between an Xbox 4 and PS5.

Another proof that everybody has its opinion...  :) I allways hated Nintendo. I hate Mario, oh, how ridiculous he is, and his brother, and Yoshi and Wario. How boring their games are, and how annoying the music was. Nothing to see with the dynamic Sonic, he is soo coool. The machine itself was better than Sega? Who cares, the overall Villagepeoplesh feeling Mario gives makes me prefer Sega. And now there are better consoles, so, who wants to see childish cartoony oversized heads and the ridiculous moustache again?

I hope this is going to be a big crash and the end of the company. The command does not inspire me a lot of confidence... Seems that they are putting too much confidence in eyetoyish games... Anyway, even if it's the better idea ever it' s going to be difficult to show, because people might be reluctant like me, and the other marks have a lot of advantage...

Let's see.

They lost me as a fan when they released that abortion the N64 and got barely any third party support-- and the support it did get was rather terrible.  Castlevania 64, anyone? :P

THE MACHINE WAS BETTER THAN SEGA?! WHO SAID THIS?

I thought that the SNES (or was it the NES?) had less RAM or something because it was expected to be used mostly for RPGs, while the SEGA had it better, thus more actiony games.

Contra. I just can't get over Contra. Why can't they make games like that anymore? It was so great, it entered your dreams. It was the type of game that made you come away wishing you could do flips while splattering your bolts in all directions, and boring holes into the earth all the way to hell. I played it on the NES, but Contra came on the Sega later on, didn't it?

I am just talking because some roms I' ve played, some of them were SNES, some SEGA, and the SNES versions of the same game were better... Could be an issue of the Rom or something, don' t mind me.

I hope that nintendo gives up on making games forever. Their games are always too easy and they suck ass. What's even worse, Far Cry Wii looks like it's 10 years old because they didn't try to make the graphics like most companys do for console games.

Oh sure, these graphics next generation all right.
(http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/733/733951/far-cry-vengeance-20060921083022237.jpg)

How prjudiced of you. And the fact that many people want a Wii just makes it right out wrong to say their games suck ass. Actually, can anyone name a game nintendo has made?

OH NOES! TEH GRAFICX ARE HORRIBLEB!
you do realise that the Wii isn't as powerful as the 360 and PS3 right? it's slightly more powerful than the gamecube hence the low price, and it's aimed more at the casual gamer.
plus the graphics for any game are down to the competance of the programmers with the hardware they work with, compare most games made early in a console's life to those made a few years on and most of the time they look better, just look at the difference between GTA3 and GTA:SA, or even the PS2 version of Just Cause, it ain't as pretty as the xbox, 360 or pc versions but they've made it look the best they possibly can with the hardware.
if all you care about is pretty get yourself a high spec pc and two £500 graphics card.

The Xbox 360 sucks. It's not even next gen. Wii is actually an African word, believe it or not...

The Xbox 360 sucks. It's not even next gen. That and the PS2 usually just have games that are copied onto all three systems, never any original games, like Nintendo always does.

I have no interest in Nintendo's wee. I never have been into Nintendo stuff, ever. But that doesn't mean I want them to disappear. Competition with companies is good for us.

Look at the PC market, the choices have become rather limited for the basic home user. Ack! I even called it a "PC market"! Damn me!!! The COMPUTER market! Sigh..

Oh, I never got an Xbox 360 either, as my Xbox lasted me about a year until the exclusives dried up and the machine doesn't work sometimes. Comapre that to my old "grandad" PS2 that still works fine! (Touch wood)

EDIT: Steel Drummer, there are tons of PS2 exclusives. the last game I got was Kingdom hearts 2. You just aren't looking very hard now are you?

Why would anyone buy the Wii it is basically a slightly better Gamecube but get this its 3 times the price only now you have to use two different controllers and they both cost 35 euros, now we all get a bit pissed off when we only have one controller and we want to play multiplayer but now with the wii if you want to play multiplayer (like the ad shows) you've got to go out and buy SIX more controllers (3 thumb chucks and 3 wi-motes) that will pump that 250 price up to 460, Yipee.Nothing says great than a severly outdated re-release of a failure of a console (when did you ever see anyone except NINTENDO make a game for the gamecube other than a port.)

And although the innovative motion sensing thumb chucks look i admit good in RED STEEl,
I know the first thing I would do is rip the wire in between by mistake ,wow another 35 euro and some friends of mine sadly due to medical reasons would not be able to use these controllers due to coordination issues , what about them?


If you want a console buy the 360 its cheaper than the ps3, is easier to program for and already has a head start (and if you want you can even make your own games for it since microsoft released the software suite to the public) although you could  be smart and just get a computer.

Edit:Maniac matt all my friends and my brothers ps2's broke because all early versions had defective lasers and also to everyone else dont say im a microsoft fan boy, I have a gameboy advance which i play alot, a psp which is great a ps2 which has its moments although multiplayer is extremely dead,an xbox which is uber cool, an amiga which was before my time but enjoyable,a gameboy original,a gameboy colour,a commodore vic 20,an atari 2600 and of course a computer - im an all rounder so im the least biased.

I'm looking foward to the Wii, and dismissing on the basis of its graphics (or its name! For shame! >:(), or it's lack of HD support, or any number of technological reasons is kind of missing the point.

Nintendo has always been about gameplay (and console) innovations, not whizz bang eye candy. The N64's analog controller, the DS's miriad of features never before utilized on a mainstream gaming portable, etc...it's always been about giving the gamer new ways to play and interact.

Frankly, I couldn't give a fiddlers f*ck if it's not HD compatible, or if the graphics aren't exactly cutting-edge. If the controller works like the say it will, I'm sure I'll enjoy playing the best games Nintendo has to offer.

This graphics erection that people seem to get is pointless and self-defeating, as something shinier and flashier is always just around the corner.

I still say that the coming console generation has happened to soon, and for the wrong reasons.

btw, I play my DS far more than my PSP. It's not a Nintendo thing, it's a games thing.

I agree with LimpingFish.

I don't know what people are talking about when they say that the Wii will have great unsurpased gameplay. Look at Red Steel. You are able to take 100 gunshot wounds, autoaim is implemented , and the enemies don't even bother moving around much. (The graphics in Red Steel are pretty good though so I guess LimpingFish won't be buying it.) I thought theÃ,  Wii was supposed to be the next step in virtual reality. The Wii is just another one of nintendo's gimmicks and it'll fade out soon after people realize they paid $200 to have their gamecube controller split into 2 pieces.

Can I just say one thing here?

I work at a game company and we make games for the Wii and a vast majority of people in this thread are talking stupid. That's about all I'm going to say.

Plus, No HD = Not for me is such a silly assed comment, I'm sorry.

plz elaborate

I choose not too. People are making assumptions based on nothing [like saying you'll break the wiimote] and no one wants to listen, they just want to argue over nothing.

Wait a few months, give it a try and then make a big post about how much it sucks.

ive been listening to Ign podcasts about the Wii so im not ranting like Brabantio in Othello

Nintendo has done something clever in targeting casual gamers, amny of which are heavily put off by capital G Gamers....whom are resolutely criticizing the Wii. The more these people criticize the Wii, the more attractive it becomes to people who would not otherwise buy a console [especially considering the high entry costs of buying an Xbox 360 or PS3], like myself for instance. Nintendo can gain a new market, and designers that are caring about things other than pixel counts [like VV apparently] will clean up, and Microsoft and Sony will simply end up losing money in a zero sum game targeting a static market of capital G gamers, just like they did on the last generation.

"If you want a console buy the 360 its cheaper than the ps3, is easier to program for and already has a head start (and if you want you can even make your own games for it since microsoft released the software suite to the public) although you could  be smart and just get a computer."

The ease of programming has nothing to do with a consoles quality, and.. remember the PSone yaroze game making kit? Boy was that ever popular! (Note sarcasm)

Is the 360 cheaper though? I could be wrong, but someone told me that there will be an upgrade for the 360, a blueray drive. Is this correct? If so, then no doubt blue-ray only games will be released virtually forcing the gamer to cough up. Sorry if that fact is wrong. I'm going to look it up now!

EDIT: Perhaps false, but there are rumours of other upgrades..

Quote from: skyfire1 on Sun 08/10/2006 23:41:06
The Wii is just another one of nintendo's gimmicks and it'll fade out soon after people realize they paid $200 to have their gamecube controller split into 2 pieces.

I couldn't agree more.  Like the Nintendo DS.  Just another gimmick.  That thing went right down the toilet as soon as people realized they paid $150 to have their Gameboy split into two screens.

While Sony and Microsoft may have a few original games, Nintendo has had a lot, and most of their games are now well known. Also, the Revolution is going to be revamped, unlike the PS3 which just features a smaller controller. Nintendo is always trying new innovations and they are the most original. The PS3 is gonna be $600 USD and up. I don't think anyone would want to buy that, just for better graphics. PCs are for that.

Me again! Wooh!

I hear people exclaim Nintendo are being inventive and original, bringing out new ways of playing games, yes, innovations..

but the thought has occured to me that the company can't afford to keep up with the current technology so they are forced to come up with something else.

I would like to play all those zelda games though, and Harvest Moon was actually playable on the GameCube. (I spit on you PS2 lazy port!)

Quote from: MrColossal on Mon 09/10/2006 00:05:43Plus, No HD = Not for me is such a silly assed comment, I'm sorry.

Ouch!

I did say I was ready, and hoping, to stand corrected ;)

I have ultra-fond memories of Nintendo; Dragon Warrior(s), Bionic Commando, Contra, etc on the NES.  Some great games.  I remember coming home from school and having Super Street Fighter II competitions with the neighborhood kids on the SNES, and other great games like Star Fox and Secret of Mana.  I never played a game so addictively as I played GoldenEye on the N64.

I hope Nintendo wins with the Wii.  I haven't seen/played it so I can't speak for it's merits/faults.  However, the name Wii is dumb (my opinion) and the lack of modern day support of HD just seems like an over-sight.

Sure ... I don't work on the system and since it's not available to me yet I can only speculate.  But after all ... it's just my opinion.

I do like that they are trying something new with the controller.  I'm curious to try it.

What mr. C says has a lot of sense... But people will buy it if they previously like it, and probably their tests won' t be more than reading reviews and take a look at the shop, I think... So, as said, the console can be supperb, but if no one buys it...

And we are seeing here that people is reluctant.... The console is not in the market, and we can't judge, but the experiment we are making here about how ill the market react might still be valid.

What's this "casual gamer" label people are applying to the Wii. How the hell does THAT work?

Nintendo are hoping to snare the "non-gamer", by making interacting with the Wii seem more fun, and less of just wiggling your thumbs.

Surely the "casual gamer" will buy into the PS3's (Bigger! Faster!...the same!) upgrade philosophy, and in reality that's just what the PS3 and the XBOX 360 are; upgraded versions of existing machines, rather than risk purchasing scary new technology.

I know what I'm getting when I buy a PS3 or an XBOX 360, and as such neither interest me. Sure the graphics are cool, but so what? We'll get the same sequels, the same licenced rubbish, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil...The same games wearing new pants. At least the Wii offers me something unique.

If it turns out to be shite, so be it.

Quote from: Vince Twelve on Mon 09/10/2006 00:57:50
I couldn't agree more.  Like the Nintendo DS.  Just another gimmick.  That thing went right down the toilet as soon as people realized they paid $150 to have their Gameboy split into two screens.

Sales of Nintendo DS and DS Lite (as of June 30, 2006):[21]

    * worldwide: 21.27 million
          o Japan: 9.24 million (10 million as of July 31, 2006)
          o The Americas: 5.90 million
          o Other: 6.13 million

You really want to stick by that argument? Nintendo DS has been one of Nintendo's stongest selling systems. The system sells more than Ps2, Xbox 360, PSP and Gamecube combined month after month.

I would love to hear you explain what exactly about it is gimmicky and in that same thought defend Blu-ray, Eye-toy, PSP screen linkage, Six-Axis controller and all the other 'features' Ps3 is offering. I would assume you have spent a good amount of time with the Wii and the DS to base this opinion on, right?...Right?

To be perfectly honest, nearly every post in this thread is disgusting. If you people (and you know who you are) can honestly read what you are saying and go.. Yeah.. That makes sense. Well then.. I feel bad for you.

I very much consider Video Games a new artform. But if this is what the major art movements of the past were like then I can't wait for this period of BS to pass. You don't win anything for your game company of choice winning the video game super bowl. There is no prize at the end of this rainbow. You just look really, really stupid.

You do!

LOL! You make me laugh Sylpher.

I see what you did there. Cute, very cute.

I didn't take the time to read those numbers, Slypher, because who can trust numbers?  Not me!  No, I trust my own two eyes!  I live in Japan, which automatically makes me an expert on video games.  If I walk down to the local Best Denki and look at the video game section, they don't have a single DS in stock!  Obviously, they're not wasting any shelf space on that retail-abortion.  Now, the XBOX 360 on the other hand, they've got plenty of those!  Clearly that one is the better system!

Hmm, nope... Don't see one explination in there about how it is a gimmick. Wait.. Maybe right ther...Hm, nope.

Sorry Sylpher, my last two posts were both attempts at sarcasm.  The DS is a remarkable system which I've spent more time on than any other system since it came out.  Phoenix Wright is my favorite game that I've played so far this year.  My story about it not being on any shelf in Japan is true because the thing is sold out, while no one is touching the XBOX 360s.  I was trying to point out the stupidity of Skyfire's post with my attempt at sarcasm, but obviously the better way would have just been to tell him that he's an idiot.

In reality, I'm probably way too excited about the Wii than I should be.  I can't wait to play it with my wife and hopefully finally get her interested in a video game other than Super Monkey Ball (which is a great game by the way).  I think Nintendo is completely going in the right direction and if this strategy works sales-wise, it's going to be good for the game industry as a whole, which is good for me.

Vince!! Need there be any further proof that we are meant to be together? The DS is my little love machine and lately I've gotten right into Pheonix Wright! I'm actually depressed this morning because I know I can't afford to go out and get any more PW games.

Oh, shout out to Harvest Moon too - *shout!*

I figured as much, but to assume would have been worse then just pushing straight to the point. I will let the thread sprial further into an enevitable pile of wasted bandwidth and crap tossing.

If you prefer, the thread could spiral into some X-rated Phoenix Wright slash-fiction.

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"Ssshhh," hissed Edgeworth as his cold hands caressed Mia's inner thigh.  "It's just you and me, now."

"I object!" shouted Phoenix, whose muscled frame was silhouetted in the light of the doorway.

Mia's breathing hastened as Phoenix pulled out the gavel that he had stolen from the judge...

Yeah, I don't know where this post is going...

Quote from: skyfire1 on Mon 09/10/2006 05:58:01LOL! You make me laugh Sylpher. I like you. Invite me to your eighth birthday party.

This from a 15-year old? ::) Now that's good comedy! ;D

Wow, you guys feel really strongly about gaming companies, consoles and all that.

This thread is upsetting, and frankly there is only one way to cheer it up:

LASERS!

(http://donmarko99.free.fr/PF/PFLive/1988-1994/Lasers.jpg)

Can we have a laser show at your party, Sylph?

Yeah, let's see the Wii do that! :)

"Cover your eyes folks! Them's lasers!"

As a relativly old nintendo player, I'm begining to see the, what do you call it? a pattern?
Every time nintendo invents a new thing who takes the gaming to a new level, everybody goes like: "That is such a bad idea " or "that's ridiculous". Almost everytime, the invention is a great succes and it always ends up with that Sony and
the other companies copies nintendos idea. The psp and the playstations controller is good examples of that.

Without Nintendo the game industry never would go anywhere, it would just be a boring competition of who got the best graphics and that stuff. I don't buy my gaming console because it got a big harddrive(thats what the computer is for), I buy it for the gaming experience. And about the the Wii name, well at least nintendo dares to take a chance. The boring Sony company simply put a 1 or a 2 or a 3 etc... behind playstation. Wow that sounds..fun. And wooa, microsoft was the brave this year, they put three numbers behind their old name.

Alot of my friends do have the other consoles, so I belive that I can make a good opinion.

Pew, that felt good, and now I'm going to sit down and enjoy a bit of Zelda, the best game in the world.

True, true. Very true. Did I mention it was true?  ;)

Blah blah blah. You've all forgotten a very important thing about the DS. There's a [urk=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5acbejNrig]TRACKER[/url] for it!

Quote from: deFineLicht on Mon 09/10/2006 16:51:44
As a relativly old nintendo player, I'm begining to see the, what do you call it? a pattern?
Every time nintendo invents a new thing who takes the gaming to a new level, everybody goes like: "That is such a bad idea " or "that's ridiculous". Almost everytime, the invention is a great succes and it always ends up with that Sony and
the other companies copies nintendos idea. The psp and the playstations controller is good examples of that.

I know. Remember When Sony copied E-cards and made their own E-reader for the psp? Or how about the Infrared technology from the GBC the Xbox used? And lets not the virtual boy ripoff that sega made.

in response to maniac matts comment
ease of programing is very important for a console take the SEGA DREAMCAST,
it was superior to all consoles at the time, had the first ever built in multiplayer but it was killed by the difficulty coding for it resulting in rather poor third party support and a limited range of Home games,
it was downhill from there and SEGA was forced to leave the console industry for good after 15 years.

If is easy to program for, it wins FULL STOP.

And on another note
Sony has said that because of the difference in the systems that they don't even consider NINTENDO a competitor, and we all know how awful they are at marketing.

In Ireland its difficult to even find Gamecube games since most stores have practically pulled them from their shelves.

Wii will never have a hold on the serious or competative aspect of gaming thus we should let it do its thing because its never gonna threaten xbox or ps3 it never did and never will, it will only survive on its blindly loyal fanbase who would walk off a cliff if NINTENDO said it was original and innovative, it may be but its stupid.

LimpingFish makes hot, sweaty man-love to his Nintendo DS while his Sony PSP looks on, forlorn and forgotten.

Acctually the Dreamcast was very successful. The damage from the Saturn was too much for Sega to bare.

Especially after the Mega CD and 32X. :-X

I bought the 32x and all I got was this lousy version of Doom.


(no I didn't, of course)

QuoteI know. Remember When Sony copied E-cards and made their own E-reader for the psp? Or how about the Infrared technology from the GBC the Xbox used? And lets not the virtual boy ripoff that sega made.

Comments like this make me wonder if anyone actually remembers a little thing called "post-modernism". Did you not notice how most video games learn from each other? How most movies somehow relate to previous ones of their genre? How car manufacturers take the best parts and create an even better car? Of course consoles are going to steal ideas! And I'm sure if Nintendo ever reached the forefront of technology it would be because they're using things other consoles have developed. But they ain't. HA!

PS, I do love Nintendos - but mostly the old ones :)

QuoteAcctually the Dreamcast was very successful. The damage from the Saturn was too much for Sega to bare.

This is true, except for the nudity part.  They were selling the Saturn hardware at such a loss it all but destroyed them, and despite good sales the Dreamcast couldn't bring them out of the hole they dug.  It's a shame, really, the first system made by SEGA I actually liked and it was their last.

Lets see…

I look at the 360 and I see….  Let's make a pretty graphics box with a hard drive and rush it out on market before anyone else is ready.

I look at the ps3 and see.  Oh crap,  Microsoft is releasing a new prettier box,  we have to beat them at the pretty and power.   So there rushing there system to market.

Both of which's key selling point is high def graphics and higher Polly counts.    Which has negligible impact when you don't actually have a high deaf tv to play them on.

Then there's Nintendo.  There not even trying to compete for the pretty prize.    There going with a whole new control system.  And a much lower price point.   Hoping that it will grab the pore gamers attention.

Will it work?  Who knows.  Is there new control system actually a good thing?  Who knows.  But it definitely has people looking.   Whether they think it's a good thing or a bad thing people are paying attention right now.    Same thing with the name change.   I guarantee if the Wii had stayed the Revolution, and they used the same old controller no one would be talking about it right now.

I'm probably going to get a Wii,  mostly for Zelda, metroid, and cause it's actually affordable and not making me want to buy a 500 dollar system 150 dollars in games, 40 for an extra controller, 20 a month for there online service, and a 1000 dollar tv so it's actually worthwhile.

that and the intagrated emulation stuff.

I don't see what post-modernism has to do with what you're describing, m0ds.

In terms of the media, where I studied the word, it describes the way in which old ideas are re-invented, older practices are refreshed or added onto. Basically it suggests there is little originality these days & so new ideas are just old ones being re-invented. The way I tried to relate it to my post is that consoles - though they may do new things, will always do old things too and try and do them better than their predecessors, rivals or counterparts.

Actually, after reading the dictionary, I guess post-modernism doesn't really account for technical entities like consoles.

QuoteOf or relating to art, architecture, or literature that reacts against earlier modernist principles, as by reintroducing traditional or classical elements of style or by carrying modernist styles or practices to extremes

this form is getting out of hand i dont really have too much against the wii but it just reaks of laziness  why didnt they go the extra mile and try to appeal to graphic loving gamers as well instead theyve forced publishers to waste time optimising games they ok  frame rates at least other consoles have planned ahead allowing games to continue to improve , remember Nintendo were against in game video saying that it ruined gameplay.Anyway I really the Ps3           

No, pm applies to everything, really. In the sense of reinvention, willfull regurgitation and so on, yes, you are correct. "nothing new under the sun". Just the connection wasn't very clear to me on the second to last post of yours. Thanks.

Quote from: timlump on Mon 09/10/2006 21:21:09
in response to maniac matts comment

Who?

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ease of programing is very important for a console take the SEGA DREAMCAST,
it was superior to all consoles at the time, had the first ever built in multiplayer but it was killed by the difficulty coding for it resulting in rather poor third party support and a limited range of Home games,
it was downhill from there and SEGA was forced to leave the console industry for good after 15 years.

How does that expalin the pleathora of PS3 games in the making? I think difficulty of programming had little to do with it.

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If is easy to program for, it wins FULL STOP.

Hey, AGS is relatively easy to program for, so why isn't it the most successful thing in the world ever? Hmm... there just be MORE factors included!


Everyone has failed to see the potential gameplay enhancements that come with next gen hardware. Look at Dynasty Warriors on PSone. It was a side on beat 'em up. PS2, it's a man against 1000 troops warground, something they couldn't ever have done on PS. Now imagine PS3 DW. Higher detail yes, but you should be able to see the troops in the distance instead of them just popping up in front of you! Heck, even more troops could attack you!

Or for a better example actually, the leap from PSone GTA to PS2 GTA.

No problem Helm.

If you want a fight though, we can take it outside.


:=

Quote from: Steel Drummer on Sun 08/10/2006 21:53:12
The Xbox 360 sucks. It's not even next gen. Wii is actually an African word, believe it or not...

Excuse me, but do you own a 360? I'm just wondering how you can say it sucks. At first some titles didn't look next-gen, but now i have seen some games and played some demos that would blow you away. I'm just assuming you are anti Microsoft, so all you can do is bash the system.

Also, didn't read the whole thread, but the Wii is going to have the virtual console which means you can go online and purchase and download whole games from systems ranging from NES to N64, and i also heard Sega Genesis and Turbo-Grafx games as well. I own a 360 and love it, and i'm definitely gonna buy the Wii, but i'm going to take a wait and see approach on the PS3.

I really wish there were no such thing as console wars, it really is sad.

Quote from: timlump on Mon 09/10/2006 23:08:44
why didnt they go the extra mile and try to appeal to graphic loving gamers as well  Ã, 

to keep it cheap and accessable to as many people as possible. That's not lazy.

domino is the most sensible albeit probably the richest      note im somewhat like that i hate the Ps3 yet am using a psp to post

No, i'm not rich, i just work for a living. But i have a very bad video game addiction. I think i need help.  :)

Quote from: m0ds on Mon 09/10/2006 22:55:15Actually, after reading the dictionary, I guess post-modernism doesn't really account for technical entities like consoles.

I think it's time to update the definition for the new millenium:

"Of or relating to art, architecture, literature or video games that reacts against earlier modernist principles, as by reintroducing traditional or classical elements of style or by carrying modernist styles or practices to extremes."

Plus, I really want to start calling myself a post-modernist gamer. I think I'll put it on my business cards.

Quote from: timlump on Mon 09/10/2006 21:21:09
[the Dreamcast] was superior to all consoles at the time, had the first ever built in multiplayer but it was killed by the difficulty coding for it
[...]
If is easy to program for, it wins FULL STOP.

Have you ever worked on a game for Dreamcast? I have (http://www.mobygames.com/game/deep-fighter), and it wasn't particularly hard. Compared to, for example, the PS2.
The XBox (and to a lesser extent the GameCube) are much easier to develop for than the PS2, but the PS2 won in terms of gross sales.

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Wii will never have a hold on the serious or competative aspect of gaming thus we should let it do its thing because its never gonna threaten xbox or ps3 it never did and never will,

Nintendo don't try to compete. They just quietly make great systems and great games and rake in the cash.

Quote
it will only survive on its blindly loyal fanbase who would walk off a cliff if NINTENDO said it was original and innovative, it may be but its stupid.

Nintendo experiment. Sometimes it doesn't work (eg the Virtual Boy) - I don't remember the "blindly loyal fanbase" making that successful. Time will tell if the Wii is successful. I suspect it will be. Remember that it doesn't have to outsell the 360 or PS3 to be successful - it just needs to make Nintendo money.

The Dreamcast will always be one of my favorite consoles. When i first saw that sucker in action, i was hooked and bought one right away.

It sucks that most games for the machine were either from SEGA or crappy ports from other systems. Also, the game selection for the Dreamcast really blew. My only favorites from the Dreamcast were Crazy Taxi and Shenmue 1 & 2. The rest of the games were on the other systems as well.

I really don't know what killed the Dreamcast. But i read that too many people were able to copy Dreamcast games and play them instead of buying them. So the majority of Dreamcast owners were playing copied games and thus leading to less profits for SEGA. I still own mine, but it is wrapped in plastic and hasn't been used in ages. After SEGA declared the Dreamcast dead, i lost respect for the company.

It had something big on its hands, but didn't know how to handle it or market it properly, plus the controller sucks big time.

Quote from: Domino on Mon 09/10/2006 23:28:51

Quote from: Steel Drummer on Sun 08/10/2006 21:53:12
The Xbox 360 sucks. It's not even next gen. Wii is actually an African word, believe it or not...

Excuse me, but do you own a 360? I'm just wondering how you can say it sucks. At first some titles didn't look next-gen, but now i have seen some games and played some demos that would blow you away. I'm just assuming you are anti Microsoft, so all you can do is bash the system.

Also, didn't read the whole thread, but the Wii is going to have the virtual console which means you can go online and purchase and download whole games from systems ranging from NES to N64, and i also heard Sega Genesis and Turbo-Grafx games as well. I own a 360 and love it, and i'm definitely gonna buy the Wii, but i'm going to take a wait and see approach on the PS3.

I really wish there were no such thing as console wars, it really is sad.

I don't 360  8), and will die before I do!  := But, think about this: You can get the same games, with graphics 2% less than what the 360 has, for way less the price (no, I'm not talking the wii, I'm talking about 'old' systems like PS2 or GameCube or XBOX). I know, you might be saying 'There are 360 exclusive games', but who wants to pay double the price for 'better graphics'? I mean, the 360 is around $600, and the original is around $200 (actually make that TRIPLE the price). You also might be saying 'the 360 can download things and surf the internet'. That's what you get a computer for. It's usually 300 dollars less, too.

You cannot surf the net with the 360 (At least not now). I never thought i would get addicted to XBox Live, but i did with the 360. I guess it is a matter of opinion. You have yours and i have mine. Any game console will be great because we can all enjoy video games, and that is all that matters.

It does suck that prices for the damn things are so high, but that is why you have to wait awhile for a price drop. When the PS3 comes out, i can guarantee the 360 will drop in price, just to keep the competitive edge in sales.

Tha's another thing that bugs me- the PS3 is gonna be $700 or more, and it's gonna have lots of things copied from Nintendo. I actually read somewhere that Sony was 'trying' to copy Nintendo's immerse-yourself-in-the-game-ish controller.

Oh my god, there's so much stupidity in this thread it makes me want to kill you all.

Not all of you actually, some of you have made very clever and intelligent comments, obviously.

But I can't even begin to respond to some of the ridiculous statements made here, especially one I saw by a user called SkyFire1 or something at the start of the thread... something like 'ooo graphics aren't as pretty because nintendo didn't do what everone else did and make graphics!'

A few other select comments that made me cry in despair:

'Not HD = Not For Me'
'Xbox 360 isn't even next gen!'
'i dont really have too much against the wii but it just reaks of laziness'
'the overall Villagepeoplesh feeling Mario gives makes me prefer Sega'
'PS2 usually just have games that are copied onto all three systems, never any original games'
'I have no interest in Nintendo's wee.' (OOO HAHA FUNNY)
'Why would anyone buy the Wii it is basically a slightly better Gamecube'
'when did you ever see anyone except NINTENDO make a game for the gamecube other than a port.'
'wow another 35 euro and some friends of mine sadly due to medical reasons would not be able to use these controllers due to coordination issues , what about them?'
'it'll fade out soon after people realize they paid $200 to have their gamecube controller split into 2 pieces.'
'ive been listening to Ign podcasts about the Wii so I'm not ranting like Brabantio in Othello'
'However, the name Wii is dumb'



Thank god for the intelligent people in this discussion - whatever side of the argument they may be on.


Everybody else... take a look at the things which I have quoted. Then ask yourself why you're so stupid and dumb, and why you would bother giving your opinion about something that you know so little about.

Quote from: Babar on Sun 08/10/2006 18:09:42
THE MACHINE WAS BETTER THAN SEGA?! WHO SAID THIS?

To clear this up once and for all:

SNES: 3.58 Mhz, 128 kB work RAM, 64 kB video RAM
GENESIS: 7.61 Mhz, 64kB work RAM,Ã,  64 kB video RAM

The SNES was slower, but had more RAM (also has 64kB sound RAM rather than the 8kB the genesis has, which explains why the sound quality of the genesis was rather poor compared to the SNES). More technical details that have nothing to do with speed, but with the quality of output:

SNES: between 256x224 & 512x448 @ 15-bit colour palette (4096 colours on screen)
GENESIS: 256x224, 320x224, 256x240, 320x240 (optional 320x480 mode) @ 512 colour palette (61 colours on screen)

The Genesis had amazingly shitty graphics compared to the SNES, because of both limited palette and limited amount of colours on screen at the same time. Just play Mortal Kombat 3 and you'll see exactly wht the Genesis wasn't up to par with the SNES.

I own a Genesis and I'm proud of it. I never liked the SNES, but speaking from a technical viewpoint, it's the age-old success story - it wasn't better, but it did perform better. Let's hope that goes for the Wii as it did for the SNES, the VHS system and Italy in the latest World Cup.

Quote from: Domino on Tue 10/10/2006 01:19:50
I really don't know what killed the Dreamcast. But i read that too many people were able to copy Dreamcast games and play them instead of buying them. So the majority of Dreamcast owners were playing copied games and thus leading to less profits for SEGA. I still own mine, but it is wrapped in plastic and hasn't been used in ages. After SEGA declared the Dreamcast dead, i lost respect for the company.

The PS2 killed the Dreamcast. Sega made a mistake not using a DVD-drive on the Dreamcast. Since DVD was still fairly new back then, having the possibility of watching DVD movies and releasing your games on the bigger medium (since GD-ROMs still only hold 1 gB) was a sure-sell. The Dreamcast even outperformed the PS2 from time to time, and the graphics on the PS2 were far from DC quality when it first came out. When I first saw Ico, I laughed. This was the best they could do? But with Sony's marketing budget, the DVD drive awing console enthusiasts, and a pretty, pretty system with backwards compatibility (thus having a HUGE software library at launch) was enough to win. Win hard enough that even now it's the best selling console.

Concerning your remarks that copying killed the Dreamcast. The majority of Dreamcast owners did not play copied games, as the DC's that can natively play CD-R's are of the first revision (1998), perhaps the second (last quarter of 1998, start of 99), but not more than that. The issue was that the GD-ROMs are read in a different way (turn at half speed, read at normal speed), so that the drive is incapable of reading "normal" CD's with game data. It switches over to Audio CD mode when you try that. However, since the first couple of games were not developed on Dreamcasts but Dreamcast Developer Kits, with regular CD-rom drives (which also explains why none of the first games really use the GD-ROM's capacity), the first revision of the DC had a debug mode, which basically means, yes, those can read regular CD-R's with game data. Now, you could of course install a mod chip, but this still means that most people did not have the option of playing copied discs.

Don't forget 90% of the computer/console users aren't tweakers. They simply buy the system, and buy the games.

When Sega decided to cancel the Dreamcast, it was because they were about to go bankrupt due to the fact that Sony had 1000xSegamarketingBudget, and they were simply too far down into the money pit than they could survive if they didn't pull the plug right then.

If a historical company, which has meant an amazing deal for the console world, does something to prevent going bankrupt is enough for you to lose faith in them, perhaps that's for the best. You don't seem to understand what's more important anyway, it seems.

I'd rather still have Sega around, than have them go bankrupt because they didn't bail when they (realistically) needed to.

Quote from: Domino on Wed 11/10/2006 01:30:22
It does suck that prices for the damn things are so high, but that is why you have to wait awhile for a price drop. When the PS3 comes out, i can guarantee the 360 will drop in price, just to keep the competitive edge in sales.

Even when the prices do drop, do you think a ps3 will still be affordable? Do you think it will really matter that much? The price of a high def TV won't be going down anytime soon, and that money that you "save" will go towards $60 games and other peripherals. I know that these consoles must be expensive in order to make more money, but $600 for a console is a bit harsh, considering the fact of buying add-ons and such.

I don't think some people realise, but the Wii would be good for Adventure Games (http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,666). Maybe even some Sam & Max (http://wii.ign.com/articles/733/733504p1.html)?

Quote from: Yutzster on Wed 11/10/2006 07:45:05
Everybody else... take a look at the things which I have quoted. Then ask yourself why you're so stupid and dumb, and why you would bother giving your opinion about something that you know so little about.

OK, instead of calling everyone that doesn't support your opinion an idiot, why don't you explain why the Wii is any good, fanboy.

Fangirl...

Skyfire, you made the most ridiculously silly statement at the start of this thread, so I'm inclined not to take you seriously.

I'm not for or against any console in this thread. I'm simply pointing out the various stupid statements that have been made. What you need to do is get your facts sorted out and get your shit straight before you start loudly opinionating on internet forums. The amount of bullshit being thrown around in this thread is unbelievable.

Some of you are acting like 10 year old boys who are spouting an opinion they read in some second-rate magazine somewhere, passing it off as their own so that they seem more intelligent and have something to look important about on an internet forum.

You really shouldn't make stupid statements on an internet forum and not expect somebody to call you up on it. Stupid statements like this:

QuoteI hope that nintendo gives up on making games forever. Their games are always too easy and they suck ass. What's even worse, Far Cry Wii looks like it's 10 years old because they didn't try to make the graphics like most companys do for console games.

QuoteSome of you are acting like 10 year old boys

keep in mind that Skyfire is closer to 10 than he is to 20, Yufster...

What's unbelievable? It's a discussion about game consoles. On the internet. Props to those keeping the SNES vs Genesis arguments alive in 06 though... true fanboy soldiers! C64 Ã, > Speccy, btw.

I want a Wii so bad, but mostly so I can hack it and make games for it... the input device is a dream for me - should be for anyone interested in game design. I'm having fun messing about making games on my DS but this would be another level entirely.

I think most people are seeing "next gen" as a graphics only concept. I dont think thats what the wii is for. The wii is next gen in a way teh ps3 and xbox360 will never be, just as the DS is more next gen than the psp. They both take gaming in a new direction as opposed to the same old wow factor that 360 and ps rely on. If I buy a new console, it will be the wii.

I'm an oldgame gamer because I prefer gameplay over graphics. Sometimes it seems the developers have forgotten that gameplay sells the games, not graphics.

I will happily walk into GAME and say "One Wii, please" with nary a smirk on my fat face.

Not on day 1, week one or month one , though. Maybe six months down the line. The Gamecube version of Twilight Princess will suit me fine, and tide me over until the range of Wii games goes beyond the launch line-up.

360 doesn't interest me, as my XBOX has been gathering dust since a week or two after I bought it. I'm not even going to bother with the PS3 until 12-18 months into its lifespan. Plus I still have a mound of PS2 games yet to be played.

Consoles are just a means to an end, really. I don't give a shite which logo is on them, as long as they have games that I want to play.

Quote from: LimpingFish on Wed 11/10/2006 22:21:52
Consoles are just a means to an end, really. I don't give a shite which logo is on them, as long as they have games that I want to play.

I feel the same way. If nintendo actually releases a game on the Wii that I like, I'll have no problem buying it. The reason why I'm shifting toward the PS2 is because nintendo has become noticablely lazier on making their games.

Quote from: Helm on Wed 11/10/2006 21:30:12

QuoteSome of you are acting like 10 year old boys

keep in mind that Skyfire is closer to 10 than he is to 20, Yufster...

Someone here needs a lesson in mathematics.

Well, skyfire1, your signature alone reduces your age by 10 years. At least 2 more for the BS you post all the time, and suddenly, Helm's right. (And I still find it hard to believe that you're 26.)

Zooty: Well said, and absolutely seconded.

As a hardcore SNES-fan back in the day (and still), I was one of the first to buy an N64. I sold it before another year had passed and I didn't even play a single GameCube game, so I'm by no means a Nintendo-fanboy. But I'm really looking forward to the Wii, because (innovation+gameplay) > graphics. Simple.

There are many simple minds out there, so eye candy still does sell. (And btw that's the main reason the adventure genre went down the drain, IMO.)
So using Wii's "bad" graphics as an argument against it doesn't tell as anything about the Wii but a lot about you.

Quote from: skyfire1 on Wed 11/10/2006 22:30:31
I feel the same way. If nintendo actually releases a game on the Wii that I like, I'll have no problem buying it. The reason why I'm shifting toward the PS2 is because nintendo has become noticablely lazier on making their games.

Explain?

why did you change your age? Idiot.

http://americangirlscouts.org/bbc.com/yabb/index.php?topic=27363.msg347724#msg347724

Zooty, either you have a brilliant memory, or you went fishing through Skyfire's history of posting in sheer determination like some scary stalker type person. Which is it?

But I agree Skyfire is unwise for pretending he is 26.

Quote from: skyfire1 on Wed 11/10/2006 22:30:31Someone here needs a lesson in mathematics.

Will you be giving me the lesson? Please do. Please help me with my math, Skyfire. I am in need of a tutor, will you do me this favour?

I doubt he'd be able to. He's only 15.

Anyway, let's not drag this to an age debate. Maybe Skyfire would like to elaborate on how Nintento has gotten lazy instead. That seems more interesting.

Quote from: Zooty on Wed 11/10/2006 23:45:34
why did you change your age? Idiot.

http://americangirlscouts.org/bbc.com/yabb/index.php?topic=27363.msg347724#msg347724

I said I was 15 to make myself look less stupid at the fact that my younger brother was holding my computer captive. That was back when I lived with my parents. Why else would you think my parents would call the police on me? Idiot.

ergo, Nintendo has gotten lazy.

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Thu 12/10/2006 03:45:29
ergo, Nintendo has always been lazy.

Fixed.

Yeah, plenty of 26 year olds I know have links to childrens costumes on their web page and pretend to be 15 on the internet and parents threaten to call the cops on them.



Freak.

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 03:57:41
Yeah, plenty of 26 year olds I know have links to childrens costumes on their web page and pretend to be 15 on the internet and parents threaten to call the cops on them.



Freak.

Childrens costumes? What the hell are you talking about?

Oh, I think you know!


And are you going to back up your statement on Nintendo always being lazy or should we just trust in you?

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:03:19
And are you going to back up your statement on Nintendo always being lazy or should we just trust in you?

I was getting to that. Every time a new system comes out Nintendo takes the same games from the previous system, adds a few more special fx, and releases it again. They did it with almost every game on the gamecube and they'll probably do it again on the Wii. This doesn't always apply for third party games though so the Wii's only hope for survival is that third party companys don't get lazy as well.

And you honestly feel Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, SCEA, Bungie, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, SNK, EA, Sega, Ubisoft, ect... is not guilty of similar things.

Final Fantasy 13, Devil May Cry 4 and MGS 4 are like.. So fresh and new!

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:19:57
And you honestly feel Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, SCEA, Bungie, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, SNK, EA, Sega, Ubisoft, ect... is not guilty of similar things.

Final Fantasy 13, Devil May Cry 4 and MGS 4 are like.. So fresh and new!

Like I said, it depends on the party. Nintendo doesn't just reuse an idea, they reuse the entire game (Super Mario DS anyone?).

Um, the bulk of your argument was that Nintendo is lazy and rehashes and that the only hope is that third parties won't do that same. The bulk of who I brought up are third parties with heaviest support on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

So.. All the systems suck and have lazy developers?

----

Edit: Get over the costumes thing. On your zombie link there is a very prominetly displayed banner to a costume website. It was a weak jab at suggesting you were a peadophile. Want me to explain the knock-knock joke next?

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:25:37
Um, the bulk of your argument was that Nintendo is lazy and rehashes and that the only hope is that third parties won't do that same. The bulk of who I brought up are third parties with heaviest support on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

So.. All the systems suck and have lazy developers?

Sorry. You lost me at the third parties part.

There isn't much I can do to help you with your attention span. You should seek professional help with that.

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:29:44
There isn't much I can do to help you with your attention span. You should seek professional help with that.

Actually, one of your sentences does not appear to make any sense. Maybe english isn't your first language.

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:25:37
the bulk of who I brought up are third parties with heaviest support on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:25:37
Edit: Get over the costumes thing. On your zombie link there is a very prominetly displayed banner to a costume website. It was a weak jab at suggesting you were a peadophile. Want me to explain the knock-knock joke next?

The only reason I asked you is because I didn't know what you're talking about. And if I'm the only person in this forum that didn't get it, then yes I feel dumb.

Do you understand what a third party developer is?

You should probably quote your "bulk" because I have no idea what context you're bring "third party" into. And yes I know what a third party developer is or else I probably wouldn't even have found this site in the first place.

I am going to have to go with you don't know what a third party developer is.

Quote from: Sylpher on Thu 12/10/2006 04:39:00
I am going to have to go with you don't know what a third party developer is.

Maybe you don't know or else I would've understood you better. Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_developer

Sylpher is asking, how can Nintendo be lazy when there are hundreds of game developement companies that reuse and rehash old ideas repeatedly?

Also, both of you calm down please.

Mr. Colossal beat me to it, but:

Skyfire, he was making perfect sense.  You say that Nintendo takes a game, adds new special effects and rerealeases it.  He said that Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, SCEA, Bungie, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, SNK, EA, Sega,  and Ubisoft all do the same things.

Quotethe bulk

The majority

Quoteof who I brought up

of Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, SCEA, Bungie, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, SNK, EA, Sega,  and Ubisoft

Quoteare third parties

are third parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_developer)

Quotewith heaviest support on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

who make games for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

Put it together:

The majority of Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, SCEA, Bungie, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, SNK, EA, Sega,  and Ubisoft are third parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_developer) who make games for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

So, saying that Nintendo is lazy by your qualifications also applies to every other game developer.  They just make fancier graphics and lay them on top of the same tired gameplay.  However, what ruins your argument is that Nintendo is now actually trying to encourage new gameplay in a stagnant industry.  What's lazy about that?

Honestly, I don't think I'd need to do this for a 26 year old.  Just admit that you lied about your age.  It's not a big deal.  Everyone will have forgotten about it in a week and you can start making more of an effort to post in a mature and intelligent fashion as if you were older than the minimum age limit for this forum.

The forum is full of kids that started out on the wrong foot but are now valued forum members, I'm sure you can be as well.

Which gane consol will be winner? Which one will be the ultimate gane consol of all time? There can only be one! Fight to the death for your team!! Fight for the right to buy products from your favourite multinational corporation!
Do it!
Do it now!
Kill!
Kill!
KILL EACH OTHER!!
FIGHT! KILL! FIGHT! FIGHT! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

QuoteThe forum is full of kids that started out on the wrong foot but are now valued forum members, I'm sure you can be as well.

What a sweet, sweet liar you are. :)

Seriously, I was 16 and much worse than Skyfire.

A bit like Sony's Playstation then?

I don't see why people who are knowledgeable when it comes to hardware are questioning the lack of HD.  Aside from the HDMI interfacing, you're also talking about pushing a lot more polygons with higher-res textures in order to make it look acceptable on hi-def TVs.  If they increased the hardware capabilities (CPU, RAM, Video speed/VRAM, HDD size/speed) to that extent it'd jack up the price approaching 360/PS3 prices. 

HD doesn't have a large share of the market, and any PC monitor aside from the most recent (and boasting support, of course) lacks HDMI. 

Yeah, the Wii is a souped-up GC with a gimmicky interface, and Nintendo's planning to make a hardware profit (unlike the 360 that launched at a loss and the PS3 that'll take a loss until the hardware's refined).  I'll also be acquiring a Wii at some point because, hell, it just looks like more fun (especially +alcohol & "casual" female gamers). The most time I spent on the 360 the guys have at work was with Geometry Wars... GRAW was fun, but I enjoyed Halo 1 DMs more. Given that Geometry Wars has a pretty good Mac/PC clone, I guess I saved $400 or whatever.

The way I see it, it's like this...

LimpingFish gets up and leaves the room, quietly closing the door behind him.

Quote from: Helm on Thu 12/10/2006 12:39:09
Seriously, I was 16 and much worse than Skyfire.

What make you think you're now a valued forum member, though?
;)

Quote from: SSH on Thu 12/10/2006 22:03:21
What make you think you're now a valued forum member, though?
;)

Because Helm is always right.

Even when he is wrong.

Quote from: skyfire1 on Thu 12/10/2006 03:42:27
I said I was 15 to make myself look less stupid at the fact that my younger brother was holding my computer captive. That was back when I lived with my parents. Why else would you think my parents would call the police on me? Idiot.

Quote from: skyfire1 in his second post ever on AGS forums
my name is jesse.  i'm 14. i program in blitz3d. i'm a amatuer pixel artist.  i like using ags because it can produce games very fast and because i'm a fan of adventure games like eco quest.

Hmm the plot thickens.

It's almost as if he's LYING and now needs to cover it up. That woud take some kind of GENIUS, I am very impressed.

Looks like Fluke can finally relax, now that he has a worthy successor. :=

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Thu 12/10/2006 03:45:29
ergo, Nintendo has gotten lazy.

Nintendo lazy i think not my good friend
Abandonment of the standard shite bullhorn style control pad and in with the motion sensetive wiimote

I dont want to go into to many details here but nintendo are very very alternative
They are the only company in gaming who are actually trying to get EVERYONE involved
Not only the young lads and dads out there they are going all the way
They want to change gaming they want to show that games are not just for the young but for the old
They dont need any Big fast processors for that (and the fact that it is japan and they can do anything these days ) Zelda looks fooking amazing and that is a 1st generation wii game (note all of the xbox 360 games are now on generation 2 )

Some small pointers as to why nintendo are soo good and not burning out

X box 360 Too many freaking add ons, so many wires so little time Run by a greedy man who bought windows for $20
PS  in general i know lets make a console promise it the world and not deliver only because we dont know how to work the damn things ourselves

Nintendo       a 100 year old company (no lies here check wiki) who knows how to do buisness and are only interested in pleasing the world ...

Sinsin

Phew fingers are tired now and ive only been back 5 mins

I love all game consoles, since i own most of them. But why are there so many people who hate the XBox360?

Buy one, buy some games, play the games and then you will really love the 360.

Play Oblivion on the 360 and you will fall in love with it.

Enjoy all consoles!!

Quote from: timlump on Sun 08/10/2006 22:16:29
And although the innovative motion sensing thumb chucks look i admit good in RED STEEl,
I know the first thing I would do is rip the wire in between by mistake ,wow another 35 euro and some friends of mine sadly due to medical reasons would not be able to use these controllers due to coordination issues , what about them?

You can plug your gamecube pads in too aint that swell

Sinsin, you missed Las' point completely.

And the person saying they are going to rip the cord out that is between. Unless there is a game that has you clapping as wide as you can or you have 6 foot arms I have a difficult time seeing how. Unless you just completely careless.

And don't get too rosy on Nintendo, Sinsin.  They're greedy little bastards too.  They're a corporation, they're not "only interested in pleasing the world."  They're only interested in turning a profit.  And to do that, they believe that they need to expand console gaming beyond the normal hardcore players.  That's why they're trying to appeal to old, young, male, female, gamer and non-gamer alike, not because of some amazing sense of goodwill.

Of course they're lazy, the Gamecube was just a hairdryer with a built in radio.

lol i like that although i think i envy the witty statement

Quote from: Yutzster on Fri 13/10/2006 15:38:30

Quote from: skyfire1 on Thu 12/10/2006 03:42:27
I said I was 15 to make myself look less stupid at the fact that my younger brother was holding my computer captive. That was back when I lived with my parents. Why else would you think my parents would call the police on me? Idiot.

Quote from: skyfire1 in his second post ever on AGS forums
my name is jesse.Ã,  i'm 14. i program in blitz3d. i'm a amatuer pixel artist.Ã,  i like using ags because it can produce games very fast and because i'm a fan of adventure games like eco quest.

Hmm the plot thickens.

Hmmm someone misquoted my first post purposely maybe. I can't be sure though.

Hahaha was it me? Let me go back and make sure I quoted that post correctly...

Quotemy name is jesse.  i'm 26. i program in blitz3d. i'm a amatuer pixel artist.  i like using ags because it can produce games very fast and because i'm a fan of adventure games like eco quest.

« Last Edit: Today at 02:20 by skyfire1 »

You went back and edited your post to change your age from 14 to 26. Everybody can see that your post was edited.

Why did you do that, hm?

Quote from: Yutzster on Mon 16/10/2006 11:20:55

My name is Rusalko and I am a male 80-year-old  convicted child molester who hates Psychonauts and any other tosh made by Tim "Ugly" Schafer and I also hate that rubbish website  Idle Thumbs.

Quote from: SSH on Mon 16/10/2006 11:25:20

My name is SSH and I'm not even Scottish!!!11one

It's hard to know whether you're molesting children or adults around here, when they lie repeatedly about their age.

Well Skyfire is fooling no one of course, but just let him get on with it. It's only making an already vehemently silly thread even sillier, but what do you expect from game console discussion on the internet!

Quote from: Adamski on Mon 16/10/2006 11:41:08but what do you expect from game console discussion on the internet!

People with well-informed opinions engaging in thoughtful debate is what I expect! Sigh, if only more people had listened to the Ign podcasts! Then maybe they wouldn't be ranting like Brabantio in Othello!

But seriously, wouldn't the best thing to do be waiting until the new consoles are released and, I don't know, actually playing a game on them before passing judgement?

No Ghormak, it's much more fun to jump on the rampaging bandwagons!

Quote from: skyfire1 on Sun 08/10/2006 21:32:33
I hope nintendo continues making games forever. Their games are always the perfect level of difficulty and they kick ass. What's even better, Far Cry Wii will use the innovative controllers to give it a new "next-gen" gameplay style that we won't see on the other consoles.

Oh yeah, that'll be some real next generation gameplay. All right!

I totally agree with you, excellent post. I couldn't have said it better myself. :D

Quote from: Yutzster on Mon 16/10/2006 11:20:55
Hahaha was it me? Let me go back and make sure I quoted that post correctly...

Quotemy name is jesse.Ã,  i'm 26. i program in blitz3d. i'm a amatuer pixel artist.Ã,  i like using ags because it can produce games very fast and because i'm a fan of adventure games like eco quest.

« Last Edit: Today at 02:20 by skyfire1 »

You went back and edited your post to change your age from 14 to 26. Everybody can see that your post was edited.

Why did you do that, hm?

I edited my post because it originally said my age is 24. I lied about it when I first got here to make myself look younger.

No, but seaching posts made months ago to keep a discussion does...

You are underage, and undersmart... If that word exists.

haha undersmart

SSH: the groupies.

Quote from: Nacho on Mon 16/10/2006 18:19:28
No, but seaching posts made months ago to keep a discussion does...

You are underage, and undersmart... If that word exists.

I have no idea where you're getting this from. Now please act like a adult and stop straying off topic.

Dear Toilet Duck,

I am very happy with the quailty of your product, and wish you all the best in the future.

LimpingFish.

I thought people might be interested in these latest numbers from Gamasutra:

Nintendo profits up 72% (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11429) off soaring sales of the DS. The most popular game? New Super Mario Bros.

Meanwhile, Sony profits down 94% (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11430) due to the laptop battery recall and start-up costs for PS3. Additionally, PSP sales seem to be on the decline.

And Microsoft? Overall profits up (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11441), but the XBox360 division, which has had record sales, took a small loss - but less than previous years. Not too surprising though, as companies generally make a loss on the consoles and reap profits from software sales.

Not that I really follow the console wars, but it sure seems like Nintendo, which looked like it was down for the count, is making a resurgence. And Sony? Boy, how their star has fallen ....

I get a Wii discount at work and I get it before launch...

The games industry is magical!

I'm getting a Wii for free from some rich kid, I'll probably sell it on ebay though.

The plan has always been to loss lead on the console and reap profit on the games, but I'm not sure if that actually came to pass for either the PS1, PS2 or XBox. Sony has spent a long time trying to create a format which they have near monopoly in with initial loss leading, but they didn't reap a profit with betamax, or with minidisc, their original DVD encoding and it's not happening with the UMD. I wonder why they keep doing it.

Amusingly too, they bought Columbia as a trophy purchase, and now justify it as loss leading to gain the content so they can profit from other formats like Blurray and UMD which will....make a loss.

I'm not a Sony hater or anything, I just am intrigued by disfunctional organisations.

Quote from: EagerMind on Fri 27/10/2006 17:26:00
but the XBox360 division, which has had record sales, took a small loss - but less than previous years. Not too surprising though, as companies generally make a loss on the consoles and reap profits from software sales.

$95m. I guess that's a small loss by Microsoft standards. Versus $173m last time. So at that rate, perhaps they'll make a small profit for a year, in two years time, before the next round of consoles.
And record sales? Not quite. They have a "record attach rate of software and accessories". The attach rate is the number of units sold per console out there. But perhaps that includes cheap LiveArcade games.

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Not that I really follow the console wars, but it sure seems like Nintendo, which looked like it was down for the count, is making a resurgence.

Who said Nintendo was down for the count? They've been consistently very profitable. They're not at war with Sony and Microsoft, as is clear from the Wii design.

Quote from: MrColossal
I get a Wii discount at work and I get it before launch...

Huh, I didn't hear anything about that. Guaranteed before launch?

That's what the email said..

However it could be before lunch on launch day... Who knows!

Well, that's cool.
I work for Nintendo and we didn't get our Gamecubes until several days after the launch. Hopefully it'll be better this time.

Bah, I'm getting a PS3.
Next thing you know, Microsoft will start making cars and refridgerators.
And I'm never going to buy a system that sounds like "Wheeeee!"
Besides which, I've loved the Playstation and Playstation 2 for quite some time...

but you own a PC which is an acronym for POOPIE CACA!! HAHAHA THE NAME WII INSULTS ME PERSONALLY!!

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Sat 28/10/2006 01:05:16The plan has always been to loss lead on the console and reap profit on the games, but I'm not sure if that actually came to pass for either the PS1, PS2 or XBox.

I think with Microsoft's cozy reserves (how many billions again?), the Xbox was never intended to make a profit, just establish themselves in the market. I think the 360 (and beyond) is where they hope for the payoff.

QuoteI'm not a Sony hater or anything, I just am intrigued by disfunctional organisations.

Actually, it seemed like they were pretty much on top of the world until the whole DRM rootkit debacle, and things have just spiralled out of control since then. I've personally decided to take pass on Sony in the future as a result of that whole incident (which, coincidentally, happened just after I purchased my Sony digital camera).

Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Sat 28/10/2006 02:26:57Who said Nintendo was down for the count? They've been consistently very profitable.

Well, like I said, I haven't really been following the whole console market (strictly a PC guy myself), but it seemed like Sony pretty much had the market sewn up until Xbox entered the picture and kind of shook things up a bit. It seems amazing to me that now they're going to be last to the market (and not just by a little bit) with their next-gen system, just killing their market share. That and some of the controversy behind the system, it will be interesting to see how successful it is.

Quote from: Alliance on Sat 28/10/2006 05:49:35Bah, I'm getting a PS3.

Just hope that Blu-ray wins the standards battle!

Not Wii related, but it's nice to know the PS3 has even helped the homeless earn some cash... err..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6142576.stm

Let me get my first smart-ass comment of the day, out of the way:

SkyFire seems to be the next gen Squalman.

QuoteNowadays everyone seems concerned with graphics... graphics, graphics, graphics.

Yup, that's what it always seemed like to me. Especially with the younger generation, "Ah, man! Those graphics suck!" - from what I've experienced with most kids is that they judge right away by what the game looks like. This shouldn't matter. They should at least give it a try. I always say that the simplest games are the most addictive fun.
The biggest thing I want to say about consol graphics abroad, I'm sick of the companies constantly trying to make the graphics "better". Isn't it good enough? To me, all the games look the same. How many more fuckin pixels do you really need? I mean, come on, it's getting goddamned rediculous. Yes, graphics help with atmosphere and make the game pretty, but graphics don't make the game. We've all had this conversation before about Adventure Games.

Subtopic
Honestly, I never have and never will see the reason to have 800x600 resolution in AGS, unless someone is making a free-roaming 3D game - which goes against what AGS was originaly meant for. And when they do, some jack-ass will suggest a higher resolution - before you know it... ah blargh, I need to stop.
My point of my subtopic is, from what I've seen in the past in the GiP forum, some creators are using these higher resolutions for simple graphics that work perfectly well in low-res - in turn waisting space (on screen) and gaining unessesary/unwanted file size. Anyone see my point here?
End Subtopic

QuoteWhat's this "casual gamer" label people are applying to the Wii. How the hell does THAT work?

From what I can understand after watching the video,Ã,  there were a lot of games like ping-pong, tennis, baseball, stuff like that. I'm guessing that's the casual gamer. Someone who sits down with their family, or whoever, and plays something they all can enjoy - like a family sitting down at the dinning room table to play Scrabble. At the same time this brings back the nostalgic 2player (or more) option - instead of just 2 kids playing a shoot 'em up together from sun-rise till dinner time. PONG, BABY! w00t!! That got me going with the wii, was watching groups of people of all ages, sitting down and playing with one another (sounds sexual...). Seems like almost all the games I've seen for years now have been for one player only. If they're for more than one player, then they're either fighting games or first-person shooters - this is from what I'VE noticed, so before someone jumps on my ass, just let it be known that I realize those are not the only games for 2p or more.

QuoteSure the graphics are cool, but so what? We'll get the same sequels, the same licenced rubbish, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil...The same games wearing new pants.

Perfectly said. The graphics can keep getting better all they want (until they look like reality) but unless there are innovations with the gameplay and story, games will just continue to be pretty much the same thing over and over.

I'm a Nintendo fan from way back. I'd love to see a rerelease of the NES. A lot of classics were made for that system (Mario, Metal Gear, Contra, Zelda). Instead of making NES classics for the GameBoy systems, rerelease the console. I guess one problem I can see is the whole graphics thing getting in the way - what younger kid is gonna wanna play those crappy looking games, and why buy the system when you can download emulators and ROMs for free?
Cool idea to daydream about though. I loved downloading NES roms and being taken back inÃ,  time - but it wasn't the same until I learned that you could burn these roms to a cd and play them on your DC. That was the best. I'd love to find and NES controller that plugs into the DC... any help there? I also heard you can make one too.


--Snake

Quote from: Snake on Tue 14/11/2006 15:28:38
I'd love to see a rerelease of the NES. A lot of classics were made for that system (Mario, Metal Gear, Contra, Zelda). Instead of making NES classics for the GameBoy systems, rerelease the console.

It sounds like you don't know about the virtual console on the Wii:
- it has NES, SNES, N64, Megadrive (!) and TurboGrafx (!!) emulation
- you can buy a "classic" controller (that resembles the NES/SNES controller
- Nintendo sell old games for download

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Console_(Wii)

Wow, that's sweet! I'm going to look more into that....
Thanks, Steve!


--Snake

I was showing my friends my GFW magazine, and Infamous Adventure's King's Quest II was in there, and they kept telling me how bad it is...

For the first time I disagreed with them. I argued about it for hours. That game is great, a hell of a lot better than I've seen, and thats counting what I see on the Wal-Mart shelf. I can't believe gaming is like this... I wish we were still in the 8-bit era where the best thing you could play was a Nintendo.

Quotet sounds like you don't know about the virtual console on the Wii:
- it has NES, SNES, N64, Megadrive (!) and TurboGrafx (!!) emulation
- you can buy a "classic" controller (that resembles the NES/SNES controller
- Nintendo sell old games for download

Surely this isn't exciting when both the ps2 and xbox already have multiple consoles emulated on them (megadrive, n64, snes, genesis, tg16, master system, gameboy/gbc/advance, MAME), not to mention the GP32X handheld which supports MAME, SCUMMVM and a GBA emu not to mention others?  And lets not forget that pc emulators for these have been around for years and you can buy a NES copy USB gamepad for cheap!

I'm thinking, ProgZ, that PS2 and Xbox can emulate if you go to the fuss of fixing them to do this, correct? Whereas I'm thinking the wii will emulate straight out of the box. Most people haven't been emulating on their PS2/Xbox. Heck, I wouldn't know where to begin! (Nor am I going to look into it)

EDIT: (With acceptance to PSone games, obviously.)

Sorry about being a bit off topic here, but i was just checking out EBay to see what kind of prices people are willing to spend on a PS3. I cannot believe that people are willing to spend almost 2 thousand dollars just for a console.

I am not in the market for one right now, maybe next year, and i definitely wouldn't spend that kind of money on a game system. But it is kind of neat to see some of those crazy PS3 auctions. I just feel bad for anybody who gets conned by some corrupt seller though.

I bought my Xbox 360 on Ebay back in March and i payed about 150 dollars over retail for it. (About 580 US dollars for a premium) I didn't want to resort to this method, but i did, and thank heavens it still works.

Let the Console wars begin.  :)

edit: I hope to have a Nintendo Wii before the end of this year. I think it has a lot of potential.

I will probably be going to the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio this year. Last year, the gave the teams XBox 360s. I am hoping they will give us Wii Consoles this year!

Woop, my order is confirmed, hopefully it'll come before thanksgiving and I can do something with my family that doesn't involve sitting in a stony silence wishing the memories would die like the hobo hidden in the basement.

Quotewishing the memories would die

What horrible, disturbing memories lurk in your past?

It's me, isn't it, Eric?!
Just because the sex was horrible doesn't mean you must dig up that particular skeleton from our closet infront of a group of people!!

People that I happen to love, btw...

People that I'd like to fondle... they'd appreciate me..

I'll go a cry now, you... you... you LAMPER HEAD!!1


--Snake

Yay! I got my hands on my Wii last night.
I went over to a friend's house and we played some Resistance on his PS3, some Gears of War on his 360, and then some Wii Sports, on his 42" 1080p TV. The next generation is here.
The game we spent most time playing was Wii Sports. Tennis and bowling are pretty sweet. It could be the novelty, but Nintendo seem to have a hit on their hands!

Hey Steve, how does the Wii controller work with the bowling game. Do you actually use it like you were throwing a ball down the lane. I am curious about this because it sounds like alot of fun.  Do you swing the controller back and then bring it down in a pendulum swing as in real bowling.

Oh, i finally got my hands on Viva Pinata for the 360 today. Great game so far.

Not to rain on the Wii's parade but so far it looks rather GIMICKY,
a launch title got only 6.8 on gamespot and i can't see how such an INVOLVED control system will work for serious gaming.
For example with halo 2 on xbox you can safely have 14 people participating a rather heated and violent battle in a room the size
10 feet by 10 feet (very cramped though) but say with red steel on the wii by the end of the night everyone will be exhausted and there might be a broken nose or two.

While I have played system link with xbox for about 14 hours before i cant imagine anything like that with the wii the controller isnt very accommodating

Quote from: Domino on Sun 19/11/2006 01:35:33
Hey Steve, how does the Wii controller work with the bowling game. Do you actually use it like you were throwing a ball down the lane. I am curious about this because it sounds like alot of fun.  Do you swing the controller back and then bring it down in a pendulum swing as in real bowling.

Yup. First you choose the direction to throw with the D pad, then you hold the controller like a ball against your chest, hold the trigger button, and swing the ball [EDIT] controller! [/EDIT] back and then forward, releasing the trigger at the bottom of the swing to release the ball. I'm not quite sure how spin works, but it seems to be twisting the controller as you release the button.

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Oh, i finally got my hands on Viva Pinata for the 360 today. Great game so far.

That does look awesome. And it would be a perfect fit with the Wii controller!

I am interested in playing Call of Duty 3 on the Wii. If you've seen the commercials, it looks quite involving and awesome.

Timlump:  A gimmick (notice the two 'm's in there) is when something is made different just for the sake of being different.  If you think that Nintendo decided to risk their business by making a new interface just to be different instead of making a new interface as the result of millions of dollars of research and development, tons of indepth market studies, and hours upon hours of business strategy and game development meetings, you're fooling yourself.  They made the new interface because it's going to attract new gamers, please the old gamers, and most of all, be fun.

And having a few bad games (out of a stellar line up of 30ish games not counting the classic downloadables) out on launch day does not mean the console sucks.  I don't know how you made that leap in logic, but it's one of the dumbest comments in a thread of dumb comments.  EVERY system has launched with a mixture of shit and greatness.  The one game that I've played on the PS3 on a demo unit at my local Best Denki was the new Gundam Game which sucks all sorts of balls (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155336).  This doesn't mean that the system is bad.  It just means one game is bad.  Go to your local gamestore and tell me that more than half of the games there look interesting.

Quote from: timlump on Sun 19/11/2006 01:54:53i can't see how such an INVOLVED control system will work for serious gaming.

Because serious gamers aren't involved in their gaming?  I have no idea what you're getting at here.

As for not being able to play it with lots of people in one small room.  You might be able to if you realize that you don't need to flail around like a maniac (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/11/13) to play the game.  But you probably haven't bothered to read anything about the system.

Don't dismiss something that you haven't played yet.  Especially when every major magazine and internet gaming site is saying almost nothing but positive things about it.  You just make yourself look ignorant.  As has been mentioned in this thread somewhere, picking a console isn't like picking a football team.  You don't have to root for all the rest to fail just because they're not your team.  You can buy more than one console, you know.

Two words - Virtual Boy

To have tried the thing and disliked it - that's one thing.  To make an uninformed opinion about it - quite another.  It's still more ridiculous to bring up an example that is so easily contradicted by another: Nintendo DS.  Seemingly gimmicky as hell, but the games are fun and sales have been steady for some time now (both of top titles and the consoles).

i actually hate the DS and i have played it and i was originally rooting for it.

Nintendo i admit do make fun games but they dont cater for everyone,
they've isolated the market who want online multiplayer and violent games.

i personally think the greatest advancement in gaming is online gaming and Nintendo doesnt seem to have embraced it.

TimLump, you keep saying these things that are utterly uniformed... I think it may be best for you to PLAY the Wii before you pass any more judgement on it :)

Or at least read up about it and how it works, because then at least you can make a fairer judgement without sounding so uniformed. So far you've said things like, "it's gimmicky" "what about my disabled mate!?" "It's nothing but a slightly better gamecube"... You've called the nun chucks 'thumb chucks', you've claimed that the Wii "reeks of laziness", and you've let us know that you've read a bit of shakespeare.

If you're so determined to hate the Wii... then please get your facts straight.

Excuse me for interrupting: I find it really odd not so much that some people make uninformed statements about consoles sucking, but with the vehemence that others refute them. Of course, ignorance annoys. But it's a bit too much, if you consider you're backing up a huge company, on the internet, on your own free time, acting as a marketer without being on their payroll.

Not really. If somebody started making uniformed and arguably 'stupid' comments about something you are passionate about or looking forward to... I hope you would either defend that thing, or ask that person to reconsider their argument.

If timlump was saying that he wasn't going to buy the Wii for some reasonable... er, reason... that would be fine. However, he keeps listing ridiculous reasons for disliking the Wii. Furthermore, he's extremely vocal about it.

I'm not "backing up a huge company, on the internet, in my free time, acting as a marketer without being on their payroll". You're looking into this far too much. I'm asking timlump to stop making uniformed comments about something, because it's annoying. If he was doing the same about a book or a film or another console or something else I felt passionately about, then I would do the same. Hopefully so would you.

I don't see how you're comparing marketing with defending uneducated comments about the Wii, in a thread about the Wii, on a forum mostly about games.

I agree if someone said something ignorant about something I cared a lot about I'd probably comment. But these consoles are hardly even out. It's like somebody is saying 'The Wii is made from butter' and the other person is saying 'no stupid, it's made from plastic, silicone and metal bits, gosh, get your facts straight!'.

To make a statement, or form an opinion, about something (a sentient being, an event, or an inanimate object regardless), without having previously bothered to take the time to actually check the facts, can be infuriating. Yes, pointing this out can be pointless, just as pointing out how pointless pointing it out was in the first place can be equally pointless. As can...etc, etc.

I love my DS, and have gotten far more enjoyment out of it than I have my PSP. Not because of the control system, per se, but because of the games.

If Nintendo can pull off the same deal with the Wii, then that's where my money will be.

Hey, that rhymed. :)

Quote from: Helm on Sun 19/11/2006 21:05:38
It's like somebody is saying 'The Wii is made from butter' and the other person is saying 'no stupid, it's made from plastic, silicone and metal bits, gosh, get your facts straight!'.

This coming from the red baron of the forums...  :P I would probably reply in just such a manner to such a silly statement.  You could look at it this way: we're helping Tim by teaching him a few things before he embarasses himself in a less anonymous way.

And Timlump, you do know that the Wii has built in WiFi, something not present in the other consoles except for the pricier PS3 model (correct me if I'm wrong) and that the DS has been quite popular for online play via WiFi, right?

It's true that none of the launch titles have connectivity because nintendo was still finalizing their system while the games were being finished, but like the DS, tons of online titles will be coming in the next wave of games.  The online service won't be as robust as XBOX live, but at least you won't have to pay.

It's also true that Nintendo hasn't embraced online play until the DS, but can't you forgive them for a past mistake, can't you?

Somebody's always gonna make the begged statement, it's been me sometimes, sometimes somebody else. It's just the en-masse thing that sorta alarms me. I understand liking games a lot (I like games a lot!) but swearing allegience to a console is like saying you're really into your Panasonic CD player.

I don't see anyone here swearing allegience to a console.  I did, however, see someone summarily dismissing one for several ill-informed reasons.  Perhaps the en masse approach will help him see how silly his assertions sound.

And regarding the Panasonic CD player comparison, the difference is that CDs are CDs.  They will work on any CD player by any manufacturer.  In the arena of game consoles, people will often throw themselves behind one console because the games (well, some games) will be different for each console.  If the console that I own is providing the kind of enjoyment I expect, then I've made a good purchase.  If the console than I own is popular, with high sales around the globe, more developers will be attracted to the platform and it will be more likely that the console will provide the kind of enjoyment I expect.  Not everyone can afford to buy every console, so they want to make their console the best.

I'd expect you'd see similar arguments if there were some differences and incompatibilities between Panasonic CDs, Sony CDs, and Victor CDs.  My CD player is the best one!

However, I'm not seeing a high degree of rabid fanboy(girl)ish actions here.  Just people righting the many ill-informed statements of another.

Quote from: Helm on Mon 20/11/2006 08:05:25
... swearing allegience to a console is like saying you're really into your Panasonic CD player.

You must never have had any run-ins with audiophiles.  ;D

Most games come out on multiple formats, so I buy the best format suited for each game.

Like, a Burnout game I'd get on the PS2, as one of the X-box versions wouldn't let you change the controls, and holding down the trigger to accelerate for hours on end f*cks my finger up.

But a splinter Cell game, I'd get on X-box, for the nice graphics. (I would have said PC, but the new PC one comes with a shedloads of bugs in it, requiring more patches than Edward Scissorhand's blow up doll.)

And of course, some games are better on the PC for mods. Like Half life 2.

Quote from: Helm on Mon 20/11/2006 08:05:25
Somebody's always gonna make the begged statement, it's been me sometimes, sometimes somebody else. It's just the en-masse thing that sorta alarms me. I understand liking games a lot (I like games a lot!) but swearing allegience to a console is like saying you're really into your Panasonic CD player.

The person doing that here most is timlump.

I'm not loyal to any console. I want them all. I can see advantages to each one. Granted, I am most excited about the Wii right now because of the control system, and because it's out over here in two weeks.

timlump is determined to put the Wii down in any way possible. I don't know how you're drawing your 'marketer' conclusion when we're all discussing the Wii in a thread about the Wii in a forum about video games.... but if we're acting like marketers, then so is he. Because he's putting just as much effort into putting the Wii down, as we are into talking about it.

As for swearing allegience to CDs... I've met people who swear allegience to certain MP3 players, which is probably a better example. If somebody came here a posted in a thread about iPods, saying that iPods are rubbish because you can only put ten MP3s on them and they break loads and cost £600 and encourage cocaine usage and the battery runs out in ten minutes... even though I don't particularly like iPods, i would set them right. If people are going to give an opinion about something, I expect them to know what they're talking about. And if not, then I expect them to be set straight so that next time, they'll think twice before posting uninformed opinions.

I don't understand what your issue is with us correcting timlump. I think you're being a little too sensitive.


....heheh we're talking about next gen MM :P but yes, that reminds me... there won't be an awful lot of PS3 exclusives to start with. The only one I can think of right now is the next Metal Gear Solid... so I should be able to hold off buying a PS3 until the price drops a little.

First of all I can bet that a similar thread in say... gamefaqs fora would probable explode my face. Most people here are being very civilized, I'm not saying it's degenerating to grunting or anything.

I'm also not saying Timlump is all informed-opinions all the time or anything.

I tried to think of how to phrase my objection finally, and I guess it is more or less this: I find it really odd that people have strong opinions (either for or against) about video game consoles. I realize it shouldn't bother me as much as it does. People assign meaning to cultural objects and some connections I find more odd than others. I don't particularily object to someone wearing a band t-shirt. But someone wearing a nintendo t-shirt it just rubs me the wrong way. It's somewhere in the middle of the scale, with Obscure Band that Only Put Out a Demo on one end, and Coke Cola on the other.

Probably my problem only.

I think a lot of people our age look at gaming more as part of their cultural upbringing rather than some greedy corporate entity.  Much as we view a band as a cool group of guys and/or gals who make music, not as a bunch of guys in suits and ties stealing all the money from said guys and/or gals and forcing proprietary formats upon their customers.

But it's sort of impossible to look at the huge marketing machine on full effect this period and think that about gaming. I haven't bought a console since the Mega Drive, and I'm a it detached, but especially Sony with the PS3 is just hilariously here's-my-angle-if-you-don't-like-it-I-have-another about it. I find a lot about the Nintendo marketing campaign annoying as well. Let's not talk about Bill Gates at all.

So there's industry wars right now. And we people are somehow playing a predestined part, isn't it so?

I don't know. People whinge because gaming is viewed as geeky. Then Nintendo spend a lot of money marketing their console to a more mainstream audience and people whinge about that too. Cut them some slack, they're only trying to sell their consoles.

;)

If I were to make a console, I'd definately go the cell phone root to get sales:
Not only will you be able to play games, surf the web, watch movies and get an mp3 player built in, but it'll also play fetch with your dog, masturbate you, clean your room, make you dinner, do your homework, scratch your balls and wipe your ass.
Oh yeah, baby, oh yeah.


--Snake

I don't think this has been about swearing allegience to a console, or console manufacturer  (something which, as Helm stated, is rightly annoying), but rather just an annoyance with someone dismissing something in such an ill-informed manner.

Nintendo don't have a right to expect any loyalty from me, nor Sony or Microsoft. I won't buy their consoles out of some deep religious desire to appease them. I'll do what I always do, and buy the console which is home to the most games that I want to play. That's the way it's been for the last three generations, and that's how it will be for this one. With one difference...

Nintendo is offering us something new with Wii. Nothing life-changing or anything, just an opportunity to interact with our hobby in a new way. That, in my book, gives them an early lead over the PS3 (and XBOX 360), just by the very nature of what the Wii is. Different.

My money will probably be spent on a PS3. The 360 just doesn't have enough exclusive titles of interest to me to get so far, and the x-box only lasted me about a year compared to the 5-6 (?) year lifespan of my PS2. (In terms of games AND durability)

The wii looks fun, but I suspect I couldn't play an RPG all day on it, if I indeed have to hold my arm up all day? I'm glad light gun games only last a couple of hours, and they're knackering! Not just the trigger pressing, but holding my arm out foward.

I look at all the unique games I've played on PS2, the Helm-Hated Japenese RPGs, the quirky
novel games like Mr Mosquito (self explanotory I'd think), and the game where you had to survive earthquakes and rescue people (SOS: the escape), and the fun I had using the eyetoy to make videos before I got my PC. Oh! And the music makers.

So although I'm not "loyal" to Sony - How could I be when I own an xbox? - I do base previous games on which next gen console to buy.

ALTHOUGH!! Now I have a PC I am less inclined to buy next gen than I would have been before.

Quote from: ManicMatt on Mon 20/11/2006 20:08:19
My money will probably be spent on a PS3. The 360 just doesn't have enough exclusive titles of interest to me to get so far, and the x-box only lasted me about a year compared to the 5-6 (?) year lifespan of my PS2. (In terms of games AND durability)

It's funny you say that. I don't know about Xbox, but there seem to be VERY few PS3 exclusive titles... not even Final Fantasy :) mind you that's probably only for release...

I was worried about playing RPGs on the wii, too. You know, about getting tired and stuff. There's a Penny Arcade comic that broaches that subject though... apparently it's no more tiring than using a controller. hopefully that's true!

I agree though, that there are probably gonna be some excellent PS3 exclusives in the future... like Shadow of the Colossus etc on PS2... nyum nyum...

I still say this generation only came about at this time because Microsoft perceived the XBOX to be a failure (in Japan), and wanted to shoot their next-gen wad the quickest this time.

The XBOX 360 is still a failure in Japan, by an even bigger deficit than the original XBOX, so are Microsoft going to try again in two years time?

Someone once said "Without Japan, there is no XBOX." They were right to a point, seeing as the XBOX never got the larger Japanese franchises which have been jostling for space on the PS2. It did well in the states, and middling to good in Europe. Didn't seem to be enough for Microsoft though. Will it be enough this time?

The XBOX 360 is going to get a major boost in the Japanese market with the release of Sakaguchi's two new RPGs.  The first one out of the gate, Blue Dragon, looks like the generic Final Fantasy fare which the Japanese gamers crave so much, but it also looks like it's trying to appeal to kids.  They're selling a 360/Blue Dragon bundle that has already pre-sold out apparently...

So maybe we won't be seeing the XBOX 720 for five more years...

Quote from: Yutzster on Mon 20/11/2006 20:19:35
It's funny you say that. I don't know about Xbox, but there seem to be VERY few PS3 exclusive titles... not even Final Fantasy :) mind you that's probably only for release...

I'm not sure which ones are launch titles or not.. but Genji 2 is probably PS3 exclusive (You must have heard about the crab boss fiasco?) and Killzone 2 must be. Metal Gear Solid 4? ZOE3? Devil May Cry 4?  :) (ALL sequels hahahahahaha)

X-box 720? Nah, it'll be called X-box TRANSDIMENSIONAL, or X-box PERFECT CIRCLE.

I'll shut up about the Wii now but i have been reading up on it and the IGN podcast refered to the Nunchuks as Thumbchuks, I'm not an idiot who assumes everything i read up on everything I say although the information may be somewhat out of date compared to newer information released, forgive me if I have pissed off and users but you must admit 5.5 on gamespot for red steel is diappointing (I really liked the look of that game)

Ok, thats the last of my Wii-bashing.
Adios.

I've not kept up too much with this thread, but I wanted to give my input.
I've owned a Wii since Sunday 9:36am.  I waited in line a whole 5 minutes.  I hit that very lucky.

Anyway, I love it.  I only bought zelda which I haven't really started since I'm going to be gone for the next week.  So, mostly I've been playing the built in sports.

Granted the graphics are simplistic, but man I'm really enjoying it.  Especially the baseball.  It is really a lot of fun being able to actually swing at the ball.   I even figured out how to bunt. I don't think that was intended, but I can do it. 

Basicaly, I'm having a blast with the system and I see a LOT of potential so long as they don't make the "new  cool" remote the center of attention. 

I am happy with it......Very happy

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there will be a regular controller for the Wii also. I have seen pictures of it in my gaming magazines. It is basically a remodeled Super Nintendo controller with 2 analog sticks. So i am guessing not every game will be using the remote controller. Just wanted to let everyone know.

Shawn

Also, it has four ports for Gamecube controllers and memory cards. For playing...Gamecube games...of course. :P

http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=494785&page=0

hahahaha.

I really don't get it. Why let go of the wiimote when doing a gesture? That would put stress on the strap and break it. "They didn't let go, they have sweaty palms" O..k, why are you putting so much strength into your gestures? Because you are probably over compensating for what you need to do.

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/show_article.php?id=23

Like this guy.

Oooh. I'm commenting.

The problem is, everybody's flinging themselves behind one particular console. Not like that's a bad thing or anything... but isn't the Wii designed to be the best friend of the worst of enemies?

And to lay to rest something about graphics that was said... I'm 15. I happen to love sprite art. However, blurred skins in a game usually make me cringe, so I prefer games with crystal clear graphics. For instance, I happen to love playing on the 360 in my local game. The graphics are awsome to the third degree. But what do I do when I go home? I play on my PS2 and RUNESCAPE.

For the record, I'm staying out of the fight until three years in when the PS3 is somewhere in my price range. Or I might get the Wii. I don't know.

- Huw

PS: Only 25 more days until I get my hands on DBZ Boudaki Tenachi 2! If your looking for a neat and dynamic fighting game, and you've played Tekken to death... Just a thought. :P

My opinion is that this generation of consoles is going to rock no matter what console you get... as long as you get a console with games you want to play. I played Wiisports in the Myer center yesterday and it was a blast, I played a mech game on Xbox 360 earlier in the week and that rocked the house. The specs of the PS3 gives room for some really good grafix and audio effects.

Right now I'm sold on the nintendo wii because I heard it was possible to get all your favourite SNES, NES and SEGA games running on it.

I got my Wii this morning on Japanese launch day.  Okinawa isn't as gamer-y as Tokyo, so we didn't have the kind of lines they had there.  Nevertheless, the store I went to had 70 Wiis and sold every one as soon as the doors opened.  I picked up Wii Sports (not bundled in Japan), Odoru Made In Wario (Wario Ware), and Hajimete no Wii (Wii Play, comes bundled with an extra Wiimote).  I spent a little while playing with Miis and then my 4 year old niece came over and we spent three hours experimenting with all the mini-game goodness.  It was great fun and pretty amazing to watch a four year old immediately figure out what was going on.  Her favorite game was Wii Sports Boxing, because you just wave your arms about like a lunatic for five minutes. :P

Tomorrow is my daughter's b-day and we're having a bunch of family over.  My wife is excited to get a lot of people in on some Wii action.  It'll be a good test of the Wii's non-gamer appeal.

Wii hits here Dec 8th. Launch line-up looks a little uninspired  :-\

And Nintendo have been very bad boys. Apparently the European Gamecube version of Twilight Princess in only available in limited numbers and exclusively from Nintendo's website.

Sneaks. :P

I like the thing, quite a bit.  A guy at work's got most of the recent consoles set up (XBox, PS2, 360, GameCube, Wii, PS3) and the only one I've felt compelled to play was the Wii.  I want 'em all, but the PS3 doesn't have any games that are "Must have" for me, and the 360's only got a couple I want to play. 

I've only tried Wii sports so far.  It looks like absolute ass, but I've killed a good few hours without noticing the time go by.  I probably won't get one, though, until there are at least two games that I've been anticipating (Zelda and... Metroid maybe). 

I'm a little disappointed by the accuracy of the motion, and how quickly the thing loses track of you if you move quickly, but even being critical of it, I enjoy the natural motion while playing versus essentially translating everything mentally from analog to digital.