What annoys you about the Games Industry these days? Anything you want to whine about? I'm interested to know what you think the flaws are in recent games etc.
For instance, I'm slightly irritated by the fact that all WWII games seem to have the same name AND the same grey/brown packaging...
Also I wanna see more designers being credited properly for their games. Authors and Directors and Musicians get their name on the cover, why shouldn't Game Designers?
Quote from: Yutzster on Mon 24/10/2005 20:03:08
Authors and Directors and Musicians get their name on the cover, why shouldn't Game Designers?
It'll only mean something to almost die hard fans ... lots of people have heard of spielberg even if they're not massive movie fans, does tim schafer being on the box of psychonauts mean anything to > 90% of gamers?
Everything being given boobs, rock music and a coat of black paint annoys me.. Prince of Persia comes to mind.
Lack of good manuals :| i remember in the days of big cardboard boxes with good manuals that you would read during the 20 floppy disk install
I'll tell you what REALLY bothers me in adventure games -
When you're trying to get in a door and the character says 'it's locked'. I think 'well just kick the goddam door in!!!' lol
What annoys me is when the game is made so i think i'm better than the main character. Whenever I'm forced to think "Get out of the way you pixelated moron, let me do it! Just let me jump over the damn hole in the floor and tackle that guy tossing books and toy meeps at you!" And dammit I'm talking about you you sissy ass mage jester! You wanna save elsa then let me by, or at least kill yourself! >:(
Sorry. QFG1 remake really pissed me off at that point...
Yeah, it's irritating when there's a simple solution and you just have to go all the way round.
I also hate giving too much emphasis on the graphics, I'd be so happier if they just stopped at the graphics of RTCW. Does it really have to get better than that?
I even hate it when they take away all your weapons and ammo. Especially when you were economising. And especially when after defeating a whole army, two guys with pistols just happen to arrest you as though you couldn't take them down like all the rest.
Another thing I can think of right now is unbalance between realism and unrealism, or being realistic only for the sake of being realistic. Games are about fun, if I wanted realism I'd go to an actual war.
And finally, plain illogical things that are there only to make the game bigger than it really is, but all they do is irritate the player. For example, in Tomb Raider Angel Of Darkness (does this even classify as a game :P?) you can't push block X because you aren't strong enough, but then you push a Y crate and you magically become strong enough to push block X.
Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood on Mon 24/10/2005 21:04:53
I even hate it when they take away all your weapons and ammo. Especially when you were economising. And especially when after defeating a whole army, two guys with pistols just happen to arrest you as though you couldn't take them down like all the rest.
Am i smelling some GTA: San Andreas? ;D
What i hate about gaming is the damn flow of point and click adventure games! Please Lucas arts, give us some slack! :'(
Yes i am kidding, so dont quote me asking wtf i'm talking about... all my things to whine about where already taken....
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Mon 24/10/2005 20:10:50
Everything being given boobs
That annoys you?
Personally I find non-sensical puzzles in adventure games extremely annoying. Puzzles which the game designer thought would make sense and was trying to be creative, but just ended up being too difficult and off-the-wall.
Well, to some companies, all they need to do is add a little "jiggle animation" to a few 3d models and they have to do alot less work in fixing bugs ;)
Two things:
1) minimal requirements - in modern games, they're insulting! But only if the game isn't worth it. Problem is, IMO, it happens 95% of the time!!! Anyone heard about Doom3 for example? Boiling Point (OMFG, worst of them all!)? Far Cry? This isn't even funny >:(
2) Console hype. WHAT is with games and consoles? Does really some casual PS2-arse seek internet for all these PS2/XBOX/GameCube/<insert pointless console here> cheats/reviews/blah-blah-whatever-else? There's too much console trash around web and stores. If I'd want to sit infront of TV and play console games with friends, I'd choose either NES or SNES. Or, just maybe Sega. That's classic, good console gaming. Without 3D graphics and other things that ruin the atmosphere. That's what computers are made for. Also, modern games are usually buggy, half-finished and fucked up in other ways, and you can't have any patches for console! Not to mention, moving around in 3D-environment using a joystick/pad is pain in the @¤"%!
Quote from: Yutzster on Mon 24/10/2005 20:03:08
Also I wanna see more designers being credited properly for their games. Authors and Directors and Musicians get their name on the cover, why shouldn't Game Designers?
Game design is usually much more of a collaborative effort (in the West). Do you really want to see 50 names on the cover?
InCreator,
Console "hype" isn't hype. Console games generally sell way more units than PC games. I was in Frys today and I found a box with Beyond Good and Evil, Splinter Cell, AND Prince of Persia - for $15! Those games are going for $20 each on the consoles. PC gaming is dying. I agree that FPS on consoles is difficult, but hopefully the Revolution will solve that. For non FPS, I'd much rather kick back on my sofa in front of my 42" TV than hunch over a keyboard in front of a 16" monitor. As for the bugginess, generally the console manufacturers have high standards and good QA departments, as opposed to the shove it out and patch it later attitude of the PC publishers.
Quote from: InCreator on Mon 24/10/2005 22:01:06
1) minimal requirements - in modern games, they're insulting! But only if the game isn't worth it. Problem is, IMO, it happens 95% of the time!!! Anyone heard about Doom3 for example? Boiling Point (OMFG, worst of them all!)? Far Cry? This isn't even funny >:(
I don't even understand what you're saying here--games that need your computer to be remotely up to date? I don't understand what the problem is here, unless your computer is a 10 year old windows 95 with 64 mb of ram and a 3-gig hard drive, most of those games work fine. And even so, I'm not sure if it's insulting at all. It's not like windows and ID software had a meeting "So i'll make the minimum requirements windows xp with 512 ram and a new graphics card, all microsoft products!" *snicker snicker*
Quote from: Geoffkhan on Mon 24/10/2005 21:29:13
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Mon 24/10/2005 20:10:50
Everything being given boobs
That annoys you?
Too much of a good thing perhaps ;) no really, i don't see these skimpy leather suits today or in any history book ;) if there's a reason for this gal to have a lack of clothes atleast build it in to the story line.. iirc from pop:ww theres a shot just looking at a polygon bum while the character walks away from the camera ¬¬
Like I said before, though, the companies add stuff like that so that it sells a bit more and so that some horny kid ignores the plotholes and lack of fun gameplay. The only problem is when they put it into a good game, that horny kid ignores the good plot and fun gameplay :P
Should I even begin to start on how irritating and chauvinistic it is to find most female characters in games have giant chests and pert round buttocks?
King_Nipper:
I think thats Custard's point...
Quote from: Becky on Mon 24/10/2005 23:23:15
Should I even begin to start on how irritating and chauvinistic it is to find most female characters in games have giant chests and pert round buttocks?
Final Fantasy X ¬¬
Women who say things like "I CAN TIE MY OWN SHOE" and wear miniskirts and a a top and possibly ankle armor, who can do massive magic spells...
System requirements are my big gripe...I'm completly out of touch with all new games. It's not even as if my Pc is that old. It was top of the lone in 2000. Why shouldn't it be able to play software made in 2003 which probably could have been made with the technology available three years ago just as good.
Another thing that pieces me orf is the voice acting in most games.
If developers are working so bollocks-hard to create realistic environments and cinematic atmospheres. Why does everyone in the game speak like they're giving a lecture on...I dunno...tuna...
QuoteI don't understand what the problem is here, unless your computer is a 10 year old windows 95 with 64 mb of ram and a 3-gig hard drive, most of those games work fine.
Neither of the games I named DO NOT work fine on my not-10-years-old 2GHz 512 RAM Geforce5700-128mb-video 120-gig HD system. I think that it's about 70% of the overall machine power you can still afford at computer store right now. If you're not a millionaire, of course. But computer games aren't so important to become one for them. Not fine, not at all! For example, Far Cry produced about 12 fps at all settings lowest and Boiling point... well, 2 fps max. This is NOT normal.
QuoteConsole "hype" isn't hype. Console games generally sell way more units than PC games.
I know that. They can't be pirated, or at least not that easily, which means more profit and also why developers like them more, I guess. But why people prefer consoles? What so damn good about them? Ease of use, no brains needed? Well, that's unprogressive (not good for human race advancement) movement which justifies my negativity a bit?
You can keep all your games together in PC, modify them, update, make your system better at low cost, so on. You can always plug TV and controller into your PC and whoa, PC and console all in one!
Why be stupid? You can't check email, do homework or
watch pr0n listen/make music on your console, but it costs about as much as PC! Hell, can't live without XBOX version of some crappy game, aye, download an emulator!
But I keep my freedom to get extremely ignorant, angry and nerdishly immature whenever anyone mentions these damn consoles. I admit it and still I hate them. bah!
When technology gets better and games require that tech, that is perfectly normal...
If you want to play certain newer games you have to upgrade, nothing wrong with that. There are still tons of games out there for you to play without upgrading so... It's your choice really.
As for console hate, it's actually kind of sad... No offense I guess but you make little sense. It is easier, on a console, to invite friends over and sit down and play a game, plug more gamepads in and bam, you're playing. People keep TVs usually in the living room and computers in smaller rooms. Getting 4 people to huddle around my computer isn't as easy as everyone getting a spot on the couch [and my computer is in the biggest room of the house], plus I have no idea how I'd even go about getting 4 people to play at once on my PC. If I want to go to a friend's house and play games with him but he doesn't have a computer I'm not going to pack my computer up and drag it over when I can throw a console in a backpack and walk over there.
My PC cost 2000 dollars, find me a console that "costs about as much as" that.
Do you own a DVD player? Do you own a DVD rom on your computer? If so why? Since you can just watch DVDs on your computer! Is it stupid to own a DVD player too? I mean you can't check email on it, which is something we really should be using as a standard for purchasing products...
Do you own a cd player? Why since your computer plays CDs? Well computers are hard to drag around so get a laptop, why be stupid? Why get a large cumbersome tower when you can have a sleek laptop that allows you to play games, movies, music, check your email and do your homework!
"Well, that's unprogressive (not good for human race advancement) movement which justifies my negativity a bit?"
No, sorry, that's totally awkward, I think increased world poverty is worse for human race advancement than plug and play consoles. I'm also assuming you use windows, isn't it not good for brain developement to use something so no-brainer as windows when DOS was perfectly fine and harder? Which apparently is what you see as better.
"That's classic, good console gaming. Without 3D graphics and other things that ruin the atmosphere."
Yes, the great atmosphere of... Astyanax was perfect on the NES...
As for what annoys me about games is well... The gamers for one are quite annoying as you can tell by what I wrote above... Especially after working on Plan of Attack, people will just say the most inane stupid shit because they are anonymous and think they know everything.
And most of all I find that in computer games when someone adds even the slightest bit of trite story that everyone has heard or read or seen a thousand times, it is praised.
Beyond Good and Evil had a crap story, what was good about it was the characters. Half Life 1 and 2 also had a pretty basic story, it was the gameplay that was good. Doom 3... Um... Anyway.
Eric
Matter of taste?
My PC is also my TV, radio, alarm clock, CD/DVD player, stereo system etc, all packed in one. Computer nerd thing, you know. Only external everyday technology I use (exactly because PC can't be carried around) are cellphone and mp3 player.
This is getting offtopic... but I'm not either claiming myself 100% right or try to move the masses towards my opinion. The topic was "Things that annoy you about games" and thinking about that I spent alot of hard-earned money a year ago - to get what I have and I have to spend it AGAIN because minimal requirements are doubled in a year - well surely does annoy me. As well as weird craze about consoles.
I just decided to talk about it, express opinion/share feelings... no need to rate my personality or start a mission because of that now.
Well first of all I have to congratulate Eric on what he said. I agree completly!
Second about games: Computer games have been around for 25-30 years. Even more, I'm not sure. What's the problem with that. Well, one basic problem is that most ideas have allready been done. I mean, the age of Tetris and Pacman are gone. Where are the original ideas? Gone I say. So what can you do? There is an industry, and a huge one I might add, which has to be fed. This means that a lot of games have to come out. It is partialy the same as movie industry. There is not a single idea original. Ok, I do say that there will always be something original, other wise me as a creator would commite suicide. But generally speaking we have to admite that everything tends to be the same. On the story or gameplay side. Is this good? Not really, but this way the only thing the companies can invest on is how to make the whole package better. Better graphics, better sound better boobs. Why not? It's been happening to the cinema years now, why not the game industry?
I say Yay! Go for it. I'm in for the great games to come. And frankly I'm not sure that games are really getting shorter (ok, some of them are, but others...). I think that gamers are getting more professional. I just order for 2.89 GBP, Oni. Has anyone heard of it? A buit old, I would say 3-4 years. Well I love it! It is long, graphics are great, as well as music. The story is bullshit but who cares. Anime style, great animation, great everything and proven great gameplay.
Why not?
We all started at some point to play games. don't let nostalgia get in the way of what's coming.
And pay attention that I waited 4 (?) years to buy ONI! I'll probably do the same with Farenheit! And of course by then my cmoputer will be upgreated another two times, so who gives a shit, what games want right now. If you're desperate to buy the latest game in the market, well you're kind of victims. Victims of the advertising industry that sells you everything new.
And now I'll stop cause if I go on I'll keep saying more, and that's not good at all. And as I think that I started my post wanting to say Bravo to Eric and nothing more... Shit! I can't keep my mouth shut!
InCreator: I deal with music. Seriously. Which means that I need pretty good equipment. What I don't need though is the latest software. I'm pretty good with Finale 2000, Cubase SX, and Gigasampler 1. What if there are new software every month. I do my job, and well I might add (I'm so selfish!!!!!), so why upgrade? The only thing I need is more RAM. I only have 512 MB and it's not enough when you deal with 24bit samples. Not enough at all.
And no, I like you. I respect you. And I do have a hatred towards consoles for some reason. As I do towards MAC even more. I don't know really why. But I always had PC. Always!
Nikolas
The thing about consoles is that they're entirely game machines. Computers can have games on them, but it's not specifically what they are made for. It's pretty obvious that computers run much better if they don't have any huge ass game in it. A computer can do everything a game console can but more, whereas a console can do one specific thing better.
I just find it -bizarre- that you refer to it as a `craze`, as if it's temporary. Well, I find everything you've said so far about console gaming bizarre. Sure, it annoys you and you were just stating it... it's just... strange, really. Console gaming encompasses every kind/genre of gaming, and all consoles have their own style. If you think console games require less thinking than PC games, you must be thinking of them all as kiddy platformers or something. Not just the games themselves but the controls can be very complex!
I won't get into it though, it's been handled already ^_^
What annoys me with gaming... the majority of consumers being clueless about gaming. I know it's the way of the world that as games become more popular, they also gain a wider audience of people that care less about them, but I look fondly back on the days when the only people who played games were people that really liked playing games.
Also, the shit little kids play. You look at any Top Ten list for consoles/hand helds like the GBA and it's almost entirely Pokemon. I look at my little nieces playing games and I can't help think, `It's your fault I have to look so hard to find anything decent to play.`
I wish people cared more about making genuinely good games.
Well you can blame the shit little kids play on the media... warning people about violence in video games... it's all the same. They just don't like certain games, and therefore they start to really bother the voilent one and encourage other games. Pokemon is a game about trainers who "love and care and make bestest friends" with their little creatures who they hold in tiny spherical balls and use to earn money in cock fights. It's all bullcrap i say... bullcrap!
What irritates me is people who get too emotional about game companies and games, which hardware, software is better and the inexplicable notion that buying a product engenders any obligation from the seller but to give you that product.
I'm almost half expecting in a decade or so to be watching the TV when a Current Affair comes on with a story about the heartless, weirdo family that kept hundreds of animals in their stinky, run-down ranch... all in little red and white plastic balls.
What annoys me about games?
Orcs and World War 2, man. Orcs and World War 2. I've seen enough of those.
- The fact that my local "game store" (it's not a real game store, k) still hasn't got a copy of Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow.
- Lack of game boxes and manuals, as Tom said (though GBA and DS games come with good manuals \o/).
- The fact that my Nintendo doesn't work very well anymore.
- Expensive games.
- The lack of neat game cover images (ie. Loom, Faxanadu, The Legend of Zelda... all have AWESOME cover images).
Yuftster, this isn't Idle Thumbs. ;)
Though, I do hate that games will cost more, and yet they'll be equally meh in memorability. And also, that unless someone has the guts to make something new and exciting, there'll be plently of GTA clones for years to come.
I also hate that new games MUST push the graphics all the way in order for them to be bought and be fun. We have fun just playing games with retro graphics... I think a lot of us put good emphasis on animation which is really more important than the graphics, so they could do that on normal games. Oh, but then the guy with the most expensive pc won't buy it... boo hooo hoo...
Well, to quote some drunk guy I met somewhere, "Playing a game only for graphics is like owning a ferrari without an engine."